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Visit To Cleveland

    I sadly have never been to the glorious metropolis of Cleveland. However it appears this year I will finally get to go to my first Indians game, and I have a few questions:

  1. Are there any seats that I just "have" to watch the game from? What are some of your favorite seats and etc.

  2. What are some points of interest to hit up while at the game? Like is there an Indians Hall of Fame? How much time before hand will I need to see these sites?

  3. As for Cleveland itself...what are some points of interest there? Any good sports bars etc.?

  4. Are there some hotels fairly close to the ballpark, so I won't need to rent a car?

    Thanks for your help guys......Go Tribe!

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1.) I really enjoy the mezzanine seating. Its probably not the greatest in the ballpark, but for the price, I think its quite good. The lower section of the upper deck, in the infield, has excellent views as well. There really aren’t any bad views from my experience.

2.) Heritage Park is in centerfield and well worth a visit. It has the Indians Hall of Fame, the Ray Chapman plaque, and a walkway of memorable moments. The team shop also has a display of baseballs signed by the top 100 players as they were when it was celebrated. Nowhere near as good as Heritage Park, but its the only other thing that I could think of.

3.) Touristy stuff includes the Great Lakes Science Center and the Rock Hall. If you are looking for sports bar type places near the stadium there is the Thirsty Parrot, the Winking Lizard, and Paninis. None of them are spectacular, IMO, but none of them are horrible either.

4.) Depending on how much you want to spend there are plenty of hotels. The Hilton Garden Inn is directly across the intersection from Jac… err, Progressive Field. The Radisson isn’t a long walk at all either, for that matter. The Wyndham is about three blocks away, at Playhouse Square. The Comfort Inn is a little further away, but much more centrally located to the Flats, The Rock Hall, etc. The Holiday Inn is also down more toward Browns Stadium, but still well within walking distance. There are more, I’m sure, but those are the hotels near the park that I can think of off the top of my head.

by Fundamentals on Apr 17, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

you can’t go wrong with any seats between 1st and 3rd base. I have also had a great time in the left field bleachers, especially when sitting in the first couple rows (it’s like sitting in the Monster Seats).

Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)

by Spidey on Apr 17, 2008 8:50 PM EDT   0 recs

1. For price versus atmosphere versus view, you can’t go wrong with a bleacher seat.

2. Go to Heritage Park in center field! Depending on whether or not you want to read each player’s plaque or just soak up the atmosphere, budget from 15 to 60 minutes.

by Voltaire on Apr 18, 2008 1:47 AM EDT   0 recs

In a related question, last season we had a diary on the subject of parking in the area of the stadium, which included a map keyed by cost and recommendations for the best places to park. Is it possible to retrieve that from the old site and repost it?

by Fiddlesticks on Apr 18, 2008 10:23 AM EDT   0 recs

Are you referencing this chart, courtesy of the guys at Mistake By The Lake Sporting Times? Full post here.

Throughout last season, it became outdated as the price (I’d be willing to bet people used this map and the cheaper, closer lots saw in increase in traffic and therefore increased their prices). However, it’s still very useful if you’re trying to gauge where to park.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Apr 18, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, that’s it, thanks! Someone (perhaps you) posted it last year, and it generated quite a bit of discussion along the lines of “I usually park at…”, “you should avoid parking here because…” and “this lot is worth the extra dough because…” that pointed out stuff that’s not readily apparent from the map. For example, I dimly recall that one really cheap lot was revealed to have a lot of stair-climbing or crossing of a rail yard or some other barrier that doesn’t show up on the map. If that discussion could be retrieved and perhaps made permanent (like the introductions thread) or included in the “LGT Guide to Cleveland” suggested below, it’d be welcome.

by Fiddlesticks on Apr 18, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At first, I thought I’d be willing to spend an hour before a game tracking these down. However, I have a few problems:
1. No free time until after the CFA exam on June 7.
2. Saturday/Sunday afternoon game, or weeknight game? I imagine prices differ for the two, and as mentioned below, when the Cavs are playing prices differ. Likely the same if a major concert is next door.
3. If enough of the LGT members contribute their own recent parking experiences (location/price/ease of use), I think we could compile a pretty decent list.

For what it’s worth, my best spot is the Halle garage between Prospect and E. Huron, between 9th and 14th, for $5. Only a 5-minute walk from the center field gate, and I usually sit in the right/center-field lower reserved seats, so it’s convenient to be on that side. Plus, I live in Cleveland Heights, and exiting onto E. Huron gets me to Prospect via Euclid, avoiding the masses who are trying to get on 71, 77, or 90.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Apr 18, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, those prices are outdated, for sure. I noticed, too, on Wednesday that the prices were UNUSUALLY high because there was a Cavs game going on at the same time as the Indians were playing. So, if you go to a game when there’s a playoff game on, be forewarned!!

I like the seats on the first base side on the lower level that are under the overhang (I think the rows with double letters - AA, BB, CC, etc. are the ones I have in mind) - nice if it rains, and also if it’s really hot. They’re expensive, though. I also like sitting in the upper deck behind home plate. Kind of far away, but a nice crowd up there and a good panoramic view of the whole stadium.

by peter m on Apr 18, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You MUST have a hot dog with stadium mustard and hand-cranked onions. I’ve been to a fair amount of parks, and it’s by far the best dog you can get.

by JulioBernazard on Apr 18, 2008 10:40 AM EDT   0 recs

Good luck with the onions. I haven’t seen an onion dispenser yet this year. I read that they ordered new metal ones and they have not been delivered yet. I was at the game last night (4/17) and Onion won the hot dog mascot race. Usually I shout “Ketchup has no business on a hot dog!” when Ketchup (who cheats) wins, but had to resort to “Where are these onions?”
Back to my original point, the cruddy old plastic onion dispensers didn’t work very well anyway, but I hope the new ones get there soon. I need some produce on my dog so I don’t feel like I’m completely destroying my body when I choke down a dog or two—with brown mustard of course.

by PatBordersHelmet on Apr 18, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My feeling that modern “improvements” over the last century or so have sent the world to hell in a handbasket can best be summed up in two words: “onion dispenser.”

by Fiddlesticks on Apr 18, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1. There really isn’t a bad seat at the Jake, but staying out of the upper deck in RF or LF will let you leave your binoculars at home.

2. Fundamentals mentioned Heritage Park and the Team Shop. I’d say getting in the park an hour early would be plenty of time to see these things and get to your seat before pitch. Oh yeah, and plenty of time to get a hot dog with Stadium mustard.

3. Rock Hall is pretty cool. Just going down to the Lakefront and at least seeing the area around the Rock Hall, Browns Stadium, and the Science Center is worth a little walk from downtown or a short cab ride, depending on where you stay. I’d also recommend leaving downtown and visiting one of the close neighborhoods. A $6 cab ride can get you to any of these spots:

Ohio City is cool for the West Side Market and Great Lakes Brewery. If you like Great Lakes beer, this is a must see. Besides getting the freshest of their classic beers that you can find across the country, you also get some awesome special brews that you can’t get anywhere else, and the food is pretty solid too. There are a couple cool restaurants and bars around there, so you could make a night of it or an afternoon out of Ohio City. Tremont is similar.

I also am a big fan of Little Italy. Don’t know where you are coming from, but I really miss a good Little Italy here in Cincinnati. Cleveland’s Little Italy isn’t the greatest in the world, but there are some very good restaurants there ranging from the fancy to the quick pizza and spaghetti lunch place (e.g. Mama Santos). Cool art galleries, coffee shops and a great pastry place make it worth a few hours in the afternoon.

Sports Bars? I prefer Winking Lizard, about a block from the ballpark. Harry Buffalo is right across from the Q, and I like that place pretty good to, for a sports bar… great Bison burgers. Thirsty Parrot and whatever Alice Cooperstown is now called are also right there. But, my favorite strip in downtown is E. 4th St. It has been blocked off from cars and has become a mini entertainment district. Pickwick and Frolics is a really cool place. Pretty good food upstairs, a comedy club and martini bar downstairs. 4th St. Ally is a bowling ally/sports bar that is pretty cool. There are also a handfull of other bars and restaurants on the block, all this is about 2 blocks from the ballpark.

4. My choice for hotel is Residence Inn, downtown on Prospect. It is right between the E. 4th St. and the Winking Lizard. It is 2 blocks from the ballpark. Sometimes you can find some deals online that make it affordable. Oh, and there is a hole in the wall bar right across the street.. something I always find when I’m staying somewhere for more than a night.

Sorry for the long post, I really love Cleveland. Maybe if this law school thing doesn’t work out I can find a job at the Chamber of Commerce or something.

Enjoy!

by DaytonDogg on Apr 18, 2008 10:50 AM EDT   0 recs

It’s about time to get an LGT guide to Cleveland compiled. I might make a project out of this.

by jhon on Apr 18, 2008 11:39 AM EDT   0 recs

I’d help, if you want!

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m going to New York City now to hang with the NFT (Not For Tourists) crew. They make guide books for a living. I’ll ask them for tips and report back.

by jhon on Apr 18, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sam has one of their Chicago guides. When you gonna be up there?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great idea, I’d love to contribute to such a project.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 18, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Four words:

Great. Lakes. Brewing. Company.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2008 12:32 PM EDT   0 recs

GLBC rules

I was able to park on one of the side streets behind St. Ignatius for free, walk to Great Lakes, have copius amount of beer, get a ride on their shuttle for $1, and return for more libations. That was Opening Day ‘08 (this year). GLBC is fantastic. Great food, great beer, excellent parking prices (if you park for free).

And how is it that NOBODY has mentioned that w.9th has the Pickwick & Frolic, House of Blues and Flannery’s.

by lenred on Apr 18, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The fatty wagon rules! It runs on leftover fry grease-seriously.

You can always park at the West Side Market lot for free as well.

by PatBordersHelmet on Apr 18, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I did mention Pickwick and Frolic—- its E.4th st. though, not W.9th.

Again, E.4th is my favorite strip in downtown Cleveland.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 18, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think a guide is an interesting idea. Only issue I see is that (a) my favorite parking spot is a semi hidden group of meter spots within a 5 minute walk of the park that I try to keep a secret, and (b) I’d hate to reveal my two favorite places to grab a beer and a quick bite to eat before the game, because half the reason I like them is that they’re not overflowing with people like the Lizard or Paninis. Maybe I’m just a curmudgeon (maybe?). Just my $.02

by millionairesrow on Apr 18, 2008 3:21 PM EDT   0 recs

You go to Moe’s on Walnut and E. 17th, don’t you?

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Apr 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, but I actually used to park on Walnut between 9th and 12th, until I left my car there over night after a few too many at the game, and found out the next morning that my driver’s side window had been busted out for a $25 car stereo.

by millionairesrow on Apr 18, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also, i don’t think people are looking for hidden gems. Places like GLBC, Winking Lizard, Harry Buffalo, etc., are not secrets, nor are a majority of the lots. However, some people are used to parking in the same place, congested garage/lot, but might prefer a closer or cheaper, congested garage/lot.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Apr 18, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You know actually, GLBC offers a shuttle to/from the games for like, $1. And it’s much easier (and cheaper) to find parking down there. I ALWAYS recommend parking at or around the closest Rapid station and taking that bad boy down to the game. It’s a good experience that I think a lot of folks in Cleveland neglect.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 18, 2008 4:26 PM EDT   0 recs

It depends on how you look at it. If I can find parking for $5 that is relatively close and has an easy exit after the game, than it’s worth the extra $1.50 for me over taking the rapid, which is slower, and includes a 15-minute walk back to my house from the stop.

On the other hand, if it’s a Saturday game and I think I’m going to throw back a few pops, then I’ll take the rapid down for $3.50 round trip instead of the $5,000 a dui may cost me.

For the playoffs last year, I used the rapid a few times, which made more sense financially.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Apr 18, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Be advised, the Rapid costs $2 these days ($4 for a day pass.)

by PatBordersHelmet on Apr 18, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If you don’t need to tranfer, you can just pay $1.75 each way (according to the website)... the day pass costs $4. They’re basically charging you $0.50 extra if you have to ride multiple trains, or for the convenience of holding onto a pass instead of a single bill and 3 quarters.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Apr 19, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If I lived within 15 minutes of a Rapid stop, I’d never drive to the game.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 19, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1. Bleachers
2. Heritage Park.
3. If you appreciate architecture and food culture, the West Side Market (Mon, Wed. Fri. & Sat. only) is a must.
As far as true Cleveland sports bars, my favortie (R.I.P. Mr Bills) is now the Rathskellar Tavern on the Bolivar side (1230 Bolivar Rd.) They don’t have air conditioning-which seems to keep the gooney frat boys types out-I think the elevated temperature would likely melt the copious amounts of product in their hair. The high light is a blown-up and framed print of the PD from the day after the Lenny Barker perfect game—the vibe inside is very 1981 although they do have flat screen tv’s these days. Other highlights include cold beer and less than a blocks walk to the park.
4. You can’t get closer to the park than the Hilton Garden Inn. The Lakeside Holiday Inn is where I usually send people though.

by PatBordersHelmet on Apr 18, 2008 5:04 PM EDT   0 recs

I am surprised that so few people mentioned the upper deck, as close to home plate as possible. These are practically the only seats in any ballpark where you can really follow the action of the game well, far better than the “good seats.” Some would even argue that the lower part (“mezzanine” I think) isn’t any better than the first 5-10 rows of the main upper deck.

I understand that there is a bleachers experience, and it’s cheap, but you can’t really watch the game from there. It’s very much like having the game onTV in the next room and ESPN GameCast running—except outside, with thousands of other people, and overpriced beer. Not that that isn’t a worthwhile way to see a game sometimes, but who recommends it?

By the same token, the “club” seats are closer to the action, which is exciting and part of why some folks go the ballpark, but you really can’t tell what the hell is going on from that angle.

by Jay on Apr 18, 2008 5:29 PM EDT   0 recs

In defense of the bleachers, I do think they are a good experience for a first timer. I think the elimination of the scoreboard (aside from the batting order) is a good thing as it is pretty much an annoyance—especially between innings. If you need to judge balls and strikes for yourself (which is impossible from most angles) you shouldn’t sit there. I also wouldn’t sit there during sold out games because no one fits in their painted little box on the benches. All it takes is one large man or large group of small children to throw the whole row out of whack. I actually don’t sit there unless I happened to get in with a Pepsi can or I’ve “upgraded” myself from even cheaper seats. The bleacher crowd rarely lacks the enthusiasm that can be found in just about every other section. I have part of season tix in the Field Box seats (sec 148) that go back to the old stadium and am constantly annoyed by the silence and ignorance that the fans can display. There’s an intensity in the bleachers that starts with the first pitch and doesn’t leave unless the game goes south. I wouldn’t recommend sitting in the bleachers often, but if you only get in town for one or a few games a year I would think you’d be pretty fired up to be there. In that case the bleachers would likely give you the atmosphere you’d fit best into.

by PatBordersHelmet on Apr 18, 2008 6:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the upperdeck behind home plate, my family used to share a season ticket package with seats about 15 rows up. Still, the closer to the action, the better to me. My family’s tix are now about 10 rows up from third base, and it is a much better experience. You can’t tell if a pitch is inside or outside, but otherwise, I don’t get how it would be any different in how much you can “really follow the action of the game”. What do you mean?

by DaytonDogg on Apr 19, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I mean, every second that any ball is in play, the angle is better to be able to tell what’s happening.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 12:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I totally agree about upper deck behind home plate. I don’t like the first couple of rows of the $18 (maybe more now?) seats up there, because of the railing, which blocks your view if you’re not tall. But, otherwise, I agree. And, I like the people up there. Fewer cell phones and people who come late and leave early. Also, I’ve seen far more drunken confrontations in the lower deck (saw one last Wednesday during the debacle against the Tigers) than I have in the cheaper seats, where there are more kids and people seem mellower. My daughter’s fondest memory is of a Tigers/Indians game a few years back when some Tiger fans and Indians fans were sending humorous barbs back and forth (it’s freakin’ Chad Durbin!!).

by peter m on Apr 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed all around.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The local Browns Backers put out this list on dining and bar spots in the Warehouse District, which is not adjacent to Progressive (closer to Browns Stadium) but is walkable.

Warehouse District (Johnny’s Downtown (best Italian), Cle Chophouse (best steaks), Mallorca’s (great Spanish & Portuguese), XO (stylish Brady Quinn fav), Tequila Ranch (Tex Mex), Fusion (Martini & tapas bar), Jac’s (French) among many other very fine dining places, before or after the game; plus night spots that are packed for action: Funky Buddha’s, Bar Flyy, Blind Pig, Velvet Dog, Traffic (House music), the Spy Bar, and more.

by palcal on Apr 19, 2008 7:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Although it’s not a 5-star hotel, you can stay at one of the
least expensive (if not THE least) Ritz-Carlton hotel in the world at Tower City.

Most of the visiting baseball teams stay at the Marriott-Key, some at the Hyatt and Ritz.

by palcal on Apr 19, 2008 7:15 PM EDT   0 recs

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