Game Thread: April 17, 2008
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PrintDetroit Tigers at Cleveland Indians, Apr 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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go fausto, can’t make it tonight
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
it never ends mario
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 17, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He caught Carlos Baerga’s first pitch last night, so he needs an off day so we don’t wear him out.
by Fiddlesticks on Apr 17, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy, the last third of our lineup is just terrifying. Here’s hoping the other six guys decide to hit something.
In fact, a lot of somethings would be just peachy.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
i want to be positive, but i just feel like we haven’t hit bottom yet. i think i’ll bow out of this one.
Seeing Fausto just made me a little more positive…ah what the hell, GO TRIBE!
by supermarioelia on Apr 17, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sitting here at work ready to start following the game and wondering why?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
Just got out my Tribe hat. Wearing it proudly. It’s been missing for about a week, but it’s time to focus.
Good idea. I think I’ll put on my road grey jersey, last worn the day we beat Oakland.
by Fiddlesticks on Apr 17, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Really. More people need to get some luck flowing, what kind of fans are we anyway
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i may as well address this here:
i would rather have benfran playing than michaels. and i understand that michaels is not hitting the ball at all, at all right now. but we’re putting a lot of energy into crucifying a guy over 33 ABs, and the only reason he has that many is because he subbed for Gutz while he had the sniffles. 16 of those ABs are against righties, who he isn’t even supposed to be playing against (i know, his splits in limited ABs this year against RHP are better, but man, he has an .091 babip against LHP, give the guy a break).
i think we should be saving our disapprobation for the players who really deserve it. i wont say his name.
I’ll trade a short night for a good night from Fausto. Obviously we’d love to see some efficiency, but I just want to see him settle down and throw.
If Carmona doesnt walk guys and stays around the zone, he’ll make up for it. This lineup isnt terribly patient, and he pitches to contact.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked good on his first AB
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a chance umps are squeezing the zone across the league? I’ve been noticing a lot of walks lately from lots of pitchers. Only random observation, not comprehensive, and certainly no explanation for CC’s troubles. Just wondering.
Hey, there are two Indians players on the base paths. What are they doing out there?
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
Yes, pitch like our ace, CC.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I want me a Ghrand Shlam.
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.
I really wish Garko was batting fifth.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Laptop is coming with me to the kitchen while I make some dinner. I’d like to still have an appetite by the time it’s done, Tribe. Thx.
Blah
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
I need to get away from following these games so closely. It just puts me in a foul mood. It’s sad how the success or failure of the Indians and Browns can affect my outlook and attitude.
GD freaking CC …
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 17, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
remind me why I like this team…
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.
I’m gonna call foul on this one. We’re down right now, but there is talent on this team. You can’t look past Grady and Victor, Gark is coming on, and I definitely still have faith in Asdrubal and hope for Gutz. This streak sucks; our players, not so much.
I know. I like this team. I am still confident. But I’m allowed to be an asshole during times like this.
JMike yes
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
Casey Blake!!!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
It’s the beverages/lettuce/vice of choice. Everyone here has resorted to excessive consumption of whatever it takes to get through this rough period.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 17, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
From above:
Boy, the last third of our lineup is just terrifying. Here’s hoping the other six guys decide to hit something.
Heh heh. In cases like this, I like nothing better than being called out.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
Time machine from the first day of the season when we liked Casey.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
2, been here since 1993, try the veal.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
followed by slow clap plus we all stand on our desks and throw our homework in the trash bin
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
Guess I can trash my work desk
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe it. I’ve got class in an hour, only three more till I graduate, but I’d be ready to start drinking if Victor can take one out. Never mind.
No worries bub, we’ll drink on your behalf.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 17, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Verlander pitching like a true Cy Young winner.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
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Indians have laid off a number of good pitches today. Verlander is missing like CC was yesterday…..juuuuuuuuust a bit off.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Just looking at Verlander’s pic – if that isn’t a living version of Mr. Potato Head I don’t know what is.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 17, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
i love how fausto always has the tag sticking out of his jersey and never removes the decal from the underside of his cap brim.
The bully breathes a sigh of relief.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This bottle of Fausto is good, but a little to airy (and line drivey) for my tastes. I like my Faustos with good earthy overtones.
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Woooot Fausto dealing.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Ehhh, it’s sometimes hit or miss. I did not re-up this year.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and both were tough pitches that he went with…..turned quick on the inside fastball and went with the outside one. Im very surprised/happy/hopeful.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
zzzz
OK, yes, we are definitely in Bizarro World tonight.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
And leave it to The Beard to bring us back home, heh.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
I have those lame-o bald streaks on my both sides of my chin that make anything more than a few days stubble look absolutely silly. Thus, I will never know the feeling of ultimate beardliness and must live vicariously through those who do.
sob
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
He has so much damn chin space to cover it had better be a good beard.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
... and Michaels pulls up close to the Mendoza line.
Well, within 100 points of the Mendoza line.
Well, almost within 100 points.
Well done.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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Not to mince, but the Yankees rotation is freaking terrible.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Our radio boys make the point that Detroit has hit into 22 DPs, Cleveland only 9. See, when you’re not hitting, good things happen!
by aufrank on Apr 17, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
With a general lack of quality 2B in the league, im very surprised that Carroll isnt starting somewhere. I know it’s a SSS, but he seems to be a very professional 2B.
Also! Fausto!
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Damn, I wish Grady, Pronk, and Vic could mash the ball with authority like Carroll, Gutz, and Blake do.
i don’t want to start a holy war, but has LGT ever done poll on the Wahoo issue? I personally love the block C and would be happy to get the chief off the unis.
I hope this is sarcasm. I fear it’s not.
by supermarioelia on Apr 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Do players have access to tvs during the game? I know they can wander back into the clubhouse but that seems like kind of a pain. Isn’t a bit surprising there isn’t a monitor in the dugout (or is there)?
I’m so envious of your accepting wife. Any girl I’ve ever mentioned LGT to has made a dash for the nearest exit. Screw them I say, LGT For Life. Or until some medium replaces the Internet.
by supermarioelia on Apr 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
complaining now?
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.
GARKOOOOOOOOOO
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
GARKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
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That was pitch #101 for The Verlander.
I approve of this inning.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
LOL, right? Please get the indians fired up by hitting their most worthless hitter. Bueno.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Some poor bastard just won a big screen off Garko.
And for what its worth Aufrank, the ball jumped off his bat. It just kind of died.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Oh god PLEASE let it be Renteria.
I have not forgotten 1997.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Either or. I won’t be picky.
While we’re at it, someone call NY and have Pedroia beaned too.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
I seriously almost had beer come out of my nose on that one.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh well. At least he did it.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Could have saved a few pitches, though.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAA and Shef too.
Ok. Fausto, that’s enough for now.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
snicker, thank you Fausto. /claps
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is so stupid.
Why are we throwing at anyone. We need to fucking win a game before we decide to make any statements.
With all due respect, eff that. This team needs to light a fire, and so be it if it involves plunking some guys. I agree with underpants, that pitch from Verlander seemed a little too deliberate. Remember when Looch got up in that guys face last year?
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think winning some games might “light a fire”?
While the Tigers and Indians are comparing dick size the White Sox and Royals are winning games.
Fuck this. If we’re that obsessed with it, hit somebody in the 9th. Don’t hit someone in 6th in the middle of the goddamn lineup.
Seems the Tribe is always laaaaaazy in April. I want to see them come out with some piss and vinegar and swagger. When Hafner dropped his bat after that homerun in Anaheim? Beautiful. Chirping at the ump? Means you care.
In sports, when you’re fiery, it means you have passion for the game. Kellen Winslow II? Love the kid. Huuuuuuge mouth, huuuuuuuuuge passion.
I still hate PEDroia though. Noun that verbhole.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So, he dropped his bat and yet they came home and have been kicked around. It’s silly to put posturing above wins.
Its a fever. Its spreading slowly.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, I didn’t think he was throwing at him. I thought he lost the zone for a while there.
by NickFantana on Apr 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no offense, but you may lack the testosteronal fortitude to appreciate it.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind, seriously. with a 5 run lead you cant pass up the opportunity to whack Iron Sheff.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t defend the HBPs on a strategic basis, and I’m the last to buy into the whole psychology of the game, but it was appropriate to hit ONE guy. It’s good to know your coworkers are with you. Being a sport, things like this are often resolved through aggression.
If I had to guess, Santiago was the accident, but of course that makes the Sheff beaning dumb. Having survived it, it feels great.
that’s his last name? oh jeez. i can hear the hecklers now … “hey pontius pilate!”
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 18, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
By a wide margin.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
HAFNER!!!
THE FIRE IS LIT BITCHES!
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
nah that’s my job
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 18, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow I pop away for a couple of minutes and miss everything
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Damn Sportsline has gone completely haywire. I saw Travis homer and have been timewarping all over the last two innings ever since, heh heh.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
There was copious amounts of fist pumping and shouting going on.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
miner sucks.
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.
i almost always get snarky responses to these types of questions
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
I’m not sure what you missed, but Hafner homered to left-center, and after a Vic ground out, Peralta sharply singled to right. Those were what prompted the anti-Miner posts.
by Fiddlesticks on Apr 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit-Batsmen and Home Runs. Old-time baseball! Like Eddie Shore.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
Ryan Garko is a philanthropist.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What will the Browns do? What they should do is ship Quinn’s ass somewhere for some picks.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
You’re that confident in DA?
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
ZERO confidence in Quinn.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
Hmmm. Is this from a hatred of the Irish?
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
Sadly, no.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
hah! Nice one.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Or wait for Brown to prove MLB worthy and shop Garko for some young starting pitching.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
My point was that Garko is, to my eyes, so good we’re never going to want Brown. I can’t imagine Brown turns out better than Garko. He is living at the ceiling for his type of player and Brown is exactly his type of player.
Um….. We’re still working with a small sample size for the 2008 season.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
Tony Lastoria claims that Brown has seen time in the outfield before. That may also be an option.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a claim. He played there a bunch in lower levels; it’s in the box scores.
However, everything I’ve seen is that he’s a butcher more or less. And, if he’s not playing it in AAA, the Indians pretty clearly aren’t considering it for an MLB position.
It’s not a claim. He played there a bunch in lower levels; it’s in the box scores.
If you’re this pizzy with a 9-run lead, remind me to steer clear of you during blowout losses.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just thought it was weird wording. I was trying to be a bitch.
But any argument about retaliation HBPs gets me pretty pissy.
I’d reply, but your post may get deleted.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve got almost a season and a half on Garko at this point, plus an easily recognizable and repeatable plate approach that fits the Indians style. I’m totally convinced that, at the least, Garko’s a 120 or so OPS first basemen and that’s pretty damn good.
On top of that, Brown is the kind of prospect anyone should feel relatively confident projecting. Guys like that don’t explode.
I don’t know, you never know what can develop, or frankly, what can go wrong. I’d want to see some combination of Aubrey and/or Whitney and/or Mills going strong for half the season before I shipped Brown off, not that I would call him untradeable. Plus, he is a lefty, which might be a better fit long-term.
But I can also see Garko/Brown as a Bard/Shoppach thing, where at some point we’re shipping off Garko to play the younger, cheaper guy with less service time and basically the same quality. But none of this comes into play unless Brown really emerges in a big way in Buffalo.
One could argue that Garko is good at getting HBP. Right?
/pushes buttons.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? No one is projecting Brown to turn into a quality ML-player, if that. Plus, relievers are a waste of time trading for. 9 times out of 10, there’s some kid in your farm system who can take the call and be up to the task.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
You do know that Brown is a stud prospect, dont you crazymoloh?
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. He’s a 23 year 1B with mediocre bat speed, who even after winning two MVP titles, can’t crack a top 100 prospects list. I’m well aware that Brown’s perfect world projection is LYLE OVERBAY!
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
yeah, I have to get on board with that.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ballsy call
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 17, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
have you seen bill james’ ncaa-bball “how-safe-is-the-lead” calculator? its pretty sweet. i used it in the KU/UNC game
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
I called the win when everyone was dooming and glooming, FWIW.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
(insert hilariously Photoshopped cover here)
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
I need to learn PS better for stuff like this.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 17, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally, I would guess that this takes a bit of stress off the bullpen, but I’m a bit leery of the way these guys mash late in games.
Make no mistake, I’m very pleased and silly right now, but I’ll be a lot happier (and sillier) when this is in the books.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
After 15 games, what’s the status?
- 3 out 5 starters fully functioning and operational
- 3.5 out of 9 everyday players performing within their expectations
- 1 out of 6 relievers not sucking
- 2 out of 3 backups not completely killing the team
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
im so pumped fausto beaned those people.
jason michaels is a man amongst boys in terms of brute-ness.
he hsould have kicked the pussy verlanders ass.
I like this guy better, even if that sounded kinda “jaegerbomb” – zy.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you don’t like my new haircut?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Apr 17, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Miller should be on track to uncork his nasty in AAA….. Him and Jeff Stevens are the first two people I’d want to call up for relief help.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
Yikes, that was frightening from Lewis. That third pitch was a gopherball that rayburn flat missed.
I hope someone in the pen starts to pitch well so Wedge can ride them like a prize donkey all year. (ala Howry/Raffy)
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
I think Pewee got arrested for “uncorking his nasty”, Crazymoloh.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
The cheapskate charge against Detroit ownership, which they’re discussing on STO, isn’t entirely without merit.
If all the owner is willing to spend on is big, shiny trinkets, that too is a problem. Steinbrenner for years has skimped on the bullpen, and it’s cost them, and it’s dumb.
Most unserious commentators would say that. Harold Reynolds used to talk about the Twins that way all the time, and you could just see the look on Ravech’s face, no time to stop and explain the economics of the game to this guy, it’s not like he comments on baseball for a living anyway, except that that’s exactly what he does for a living.
Do we think Steinbrenner is really cheap? Or is this the only place where Cashman was able to keep some modicum of control and he screwed it up?
Because, it doesn’t make much sense to spend big money on relievers in most free agent markets anyway does it?
Maybe not big money. But some teams seem like they don’t know and don’t care who will be in the bullpen if it isn’t their closer.
Some GM’s read LGT and take advice from Crazymoloh.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. They actually had a really impressive bullpen for years, with that 8th inning guy. Who was that? Hernandez? And then he pitched for the Red Sox?
They do make moves to address the bullpen, as opposed to trying to throw out farm arms or something (see: Farnsworth) but they get more success where everyone seems to, in weird retread players like Scott Proctor.
Well, I’ve always said, there’s no real evidence Cashman is particularly good at any part of his job other than suffering humiliations at the hands of the Steinbrenner.
And in this area as in others, they sign one big, stupid contract - Steve Karsay was one in a series - and don’t do the real grunt work to develop a full staff, let alone depth. Remember how pathetic their pen was in the playoffs?
Yeah, it’s bad. But if we work from the place that pens are the truest test of a team’s farm depth, then there’s really no conceivable way to have a good pen with no farm right? And Steinbrenner morgatged the farm.
I mean, the Orioles made every effort to buy a pen. It just didn’t work.
But I guess the Red Sox have been sort of ok at buying a pen. Though, at this point with Delcarmen and Papelbon it’s sort of homegrown.
Hmm. I’m wondering how closely we could correlate pen success to good farm systems. Think there’s an r-value there?
Didn’t just mortgage the farm, he screwed up the whole development program by prioritizing putting a winning team in Tampa every year.
Yeah. And I’m thinking maybe farm = bullpen. I’m obviously having my opinion heavily influenced by the Indians of the past few years, though.
farm = bullpen when one of the core strategies is to grab up every quality arm you can find without relent, every week of every year after year after year. When you do that … some of them become good relievers, yes.
O hai, I figured it out.
CC is giving Fausto a head start for the CY young award this year, since he stole votes from him last year.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
What the consensus (assuming one exists) here on what’s causing C.C’s troubles?
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
oh noez. Are you doing that just to bother me?
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i love that vic is putting together an at bat like this when the team is up 9 runs in the 7th inning.
has there been an indian in my 27 years who has been more the heart and soul of his team than martinez?
Good pick. I had a terrible mancrush on Omar Vizquel, myself.
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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.
I loved Omar, but I can’t give him a leadership position after the way he tried to negotiate his contract through the media. A team leader would never, ever do that, and Omar wasn’t one.
I was pretty unimpressed with him about that, too. Seemed like he daydreamed to a reporter about what it might be like to play in some other town practically every day of the 2007 season. Classless.
In like 2005. I guess Hunter actually tried to punch him.
From this Strib article.
Morneau’s achievement capped a season that saw him erase many of the doubts that surfaced in 2005.That year, he hit .239 with 22 home runs and 79 RBI, as the Twins missed the playoffs for the first time since 2001. Hunter was so disappointed with Morneau’s attitude, he threw a punch at him toward the end of that frustrating season.
I’d back Alomar, but he spent too much time off the team, on the DL, to be its irreplaceable core the way that Victor has been.
FWIW, Bobby Jenks just blew a save in Baltimore. 5-5, Orioles still batting, running on first, 2 out, bottom of the 9th. Orioles have scored two in the 9th so far.
poll: Orioles, for real or not?
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I got in a huge fight with my best friend once over Nick Markakis and fantasy shenanigans.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 18, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, I admit it: I don’t know who Catfish Whosawhatsit is. Anyone want to let me know what the radio fellas are talking about?
For the record: thank you to all of the people in self-imposed exile, whose absence made this game possible.
Yes. No hesitation.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
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