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Game Thread: April 2, 2008

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Chicago White Sox @ Cleveland Indians


Gametime: 7:05 (STO)

The gametime temperature is going to be in the low 40s, which means we'll probably be seeing a lot of pulled grounders from Chicago hitters. Last year, the White Sox gave Fausto a lot of trouble, posting the highest OPS (.790) against among AL Central teams.

The Indians haven't made a move regarding Victor Martinez, but I seriously doubt he's playing tonight, especially with it being this cold [Ryan].

 

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Looks like Detroit is going to go 160-2 this season.

by crazymoloh on Apr 2, 2008 4:06 PM EDT   0 recs

They have to play the Royals 16 more times though .. so I am predicting 144-18.

by Toxicadam on Apr 2, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't wait for tonight, man. Good friends, girlfriend, brats with Bertman's mustard, and nice frosty case of FAUSTO.

LET'S GO TRIBE!!!

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 2, 2008 4:10 PM EDT   0 recs

Moms gave me a whole bunch of Bertman's the other week, and a couple bottles of this salad dressing I've only found at Heinens. It's called Garlic Expressions; it goes great with mashed potatoes and buns, and salad of course.

God I love food.

by jhon on Apr 2, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude, Garlic expressions ROCKS. What time you gonna be over?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 2, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

why, 7:11, of course.

/$$$/

by jhon on Apr 2, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

in case anyone forgot.

Oh crap, I forgot we're at home.

by jhon on Apr 2, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just killing me to see KC three hit the most powerful team in baseball.......hahahaha

by Sockalexis on Apr 2, 2008 4:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Brian Bannister

That kid can throw.

by Goodie on Apr 2, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And in full Drink mode .... traded Meche for Bannister and Iwamura ... so far so good ;)

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And he knows all about BABIP.

by Voltaire on Apr 2, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For those who haven't heard already, here's what Bannister has to say about this 2008 season:

I realize very well that I could regress to the mean.

by Voltaire on Apr 2, 2008 6:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dang it. Forgot the linker automatically adds "http:/" to everything. This should work.

by Voltaire on Apr 2, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cool article .... so now can we get the SABR guys to calculate BABIP per pitch count? That would be some cool information to have.

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Detroit is going to score 1000 runs, how many do they still need with the *cough* 2 runs per game they've started with?

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Apr 2, 2008 4:33 PM EDT   0 recs

oh, hold on, I know. it's 996.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Apr 2, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

April 2 is too early to gloat . . . but still

by DocNo on Apr 2, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sports writers are starting to jump off the Detroit train and to blast their pitching staff. I don't know if I should be happy or angered that they might be trying to jinx the Tribe.

by kova on Apr 2, 2008 4:36 PM EDT   0 recs

As long as Steve "Kryptonie" Phillips doesn't jump on our bandwagon, we're fine.

by crazymoloh on Apr 2, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I still get a kick of the Broadcasting paragraph on wikipedia. I wouldn't be surprised if he still predicts the Kitties will win the AL Central in November.

by kova on Apr 2, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I did this for both playoff series, and I'll do it whenever I have time during the regular season.

I think one of the best predictive stats is how an individual pitcher has done against an individual hitter (Thome crushing CC Monday notwithstanding). Here are the notables for tonight (I arbitrarily decided that anything under 10 ABs is too small of a sample size, even though we are dealing with outrageously small samples as is):

vs. Vazquez

Blake: 5-20; 1 2B; 2 BB; 10 Ks
Dellucci: 7-21; 1 3B; 1 HR; 3 BB; 3 Ks
Garko: 6-15; 1 2B; 1 HR; 4 Ks
Hafner: 2-16; 1 3B; 2 BB; 4Ks
Martinez: 3-18; 1 2B; 3 BB; 2Ks
Peralta: 3-17; 1 BB
Sizemore: 5-24; 2 2B; 1 3B; 4 BB; 10 Ks

Vs. Carmona

Dye: 5-12; 2 2B; 1 HR; 5 Ks
Pierzynski: 4-11; 2 2B; 1 K
Thome: 3-12; 1 2B; 4BB; 2Ks

by DaytonDogg on Apr 2, 2008 4:41 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm surprised. So you think, for example, that Dye's 5 for 12 (.417) against Carmona better represents his probability of getting a hit than his 2007 average against righties (91 for 378 .241)? Not that batting average would even be the best predictor, but seems to me better than small face to face averages. I always laugh to myself when I hear announcers give those.

by FranklinScott on Apr 2, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually yes. And I think it proves itself as sample sizes grow. For example, Peralta can hit lefties pretty well (.831 OPS), but he has no chance against Santana (3-28; 22 Ks). The lefty/righty thing is good for generalities, but as a logical and practical matter, it presupposes that a lefty sees all lefties equally bad, but some guys just don't pick up the ball as well versus others.

Also, so much of a pitcher versus hitter is a mental game, and once you got a guy in your head and can keep you guessing wrong, you are going to have a more difficult approach.

I know the sample size is always a problem, especially with young guys, but I think it is as good as anything, and at least underrated as a stat by some stat guys.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 2, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

game at 6 cst?

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 2, 2008 4:47 PM EDT   0 recs

yup.

Formerly known as "tribefan stuck in boston"

by BostonWahoo on Apr 2, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate this time of day.....waiting for gametime.
/taps foot impatiently.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Apr 2, 2008 4:50 PM EDT   0 recs

I know; so bored.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 2, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Figure I better get at least one comment in on a game thread now, since I doubt I'll be participating in any in the near future (schedule won't allow it right now).

Besides, I have almost 2000 comments to catch up on from Game 1 ... yikes!!

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 4:56 PM EDT   0 recs

reading Royals Review makes me realize that those guys have a very respectable amount of hate for the White Sox.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Apr 2, 2008 5:02 PM EDT   0 recs

I hate the White Sox almost as much as I hate the Yanks and the Red Socks. Even more than Detroit.

by hans on Apr 2, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hatred of the Whine Sox is not just respectable, but de riguer in polite society.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 2, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Man, I have to go to stupid class.

I want to skip it so bad.

by afh4 on Apr 2, 2008 5:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Beautiful. Use of the subject line notwithstanding.

by JonduncO on Apr 2, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Old friend (though we hardly knew him) Andrew Brown pitching for A's against the Saux and promptly DRILLED Lowell with a pitch. Not sure why, but this pleased me.

by macasson on Apr 2, 2008 5:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Musta hurt. Brown could throw.

by jhon on Apr 2, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like that Suzuki kid for the A's.

by afh4 on Apr 2, 2008 5:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Stashed him on my minor league roster for next year when I dump Varitek's contract .... I know I know .. .Drink!!

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 5:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a Maui boy - went to Baldwin High!

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 2, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Crazy! My grandpa coached wrestling for Baldwin. I'll have to ask if he knew him.

by pdxtribefan on Apr 2, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

New look lineup tonight, per Hoynsie.

Grady
Cabrera
Peralta
Hafner
Garko
Gutz
Dellucci
The Beard
Shoppach

by xrickx on Apr 2, 2008 5:30 PM EDT   0 recs

No Marte. What is the over/under for ABs for Marte in April? I'd say about 15.

by oxforddave on Apr 2, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm taking the under.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 2, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jhonny in the three spot ... me likes

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gutz'll be battin' third before the year is over.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 2, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fine by me, I have him in my fantasy league too ;)

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mauichuck,

Is there any truth to the rumor of Foy Choo heading to Hawaii to play football at UH?

by Sockalexis on Apr 2, 2008 5:41 PM EDT   0 recs

I've read that in the Maui News but I haven't heard anything about him enrolling and he would have to enroll by May, I think, to be eligible to play this year.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 2, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll be watching Dellucci closely tonight, because I'm not sure he got a fair shake last year. I'll also be watching Gutz and Hafner who I believe could be our two best sluggers...

I wake up in the morning and look at the clock only to find that it's "Tribe Time"

by Justin Higgins on Apr 2, 2008 5:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Hafner is definitely our best wind generator.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Apr 2, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm watching All Bets Are Off and I agree with Drennan; Hafner had the 2nd most RBIs of all American League DHs last year. You're going to complain about that? Really?

I wake up in the morning and look at the clock only to find that it's "Tribe Time"

by Justin Higgins on Apr 2, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"I agree with Drennan" See JH you lost some cred points right there.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 2, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You still didn't address my point. Are you going to complain about 100 RBIs on an OFF YEAR?

I wake up in the morning and look at the clock only to find that it's "Tribe Time"

by Justin Higgins on Apr 2, 2008 6:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He's mainly complaing because the contract we gave him is for 130+ RBIs, not 100.

I agree he had an ok year, just not a Pronk year. It is what it is ....

by talonk on Apr 2, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If he can drive in 100 runs no. But then again he didn't look that hot in the play-offs and didn't look to good in ST. I'm thinking Vic, Garko and Gutz - not sure what order - would look pretty good in the middle of the line-up and bat Hafner in the lower half and then only against righties.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 2, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't hold your breath with Hafner. If he comes back great, but I don't think that the season is gonna depend on him.

Gutz is gonna flat tear it up this year. Dellucci is, in my opinion, just too damn fragile.

I'm lookin' for Garko to get some power and Astro to keep it up - maybe even improve by the end of the season.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 2, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hi again all. Sucked to miss the game thread for the first game of the year, but smtp were down at the, er, Prog taking in the proceedings in person. I left some pix here (nearly all of them full-screen res) for anyone who wants to kill a few moments before game time.

Let's go Tribe!

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 2, 2008 6:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Err, smtp and I were down at the game, rather. Oops. Damn meds.

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 2, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Go Tribe, just heading off for a corporate golf day so will miss the game. Look forward to reading the thread tonight at home.

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 2, 2008 6:39 PM EDT   0 recs

how are we 57 comments into this thread and there's no pictures of an icy cold can of Fausto?

by ASP on Apr 2, 2008 6:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Speaking of, how does Fausto do in the icy cold?

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 2, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On Victor: Wedge just said they "dodged a bullet"; it's "not a DL situaiton" and he might even be available to pinch-hit tonight. On the whole, good news.

by mplswahoo on Apr 2, 2008 6:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Totally. I'll take it. :)

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 2, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great news

by jdwitmer on Apr 2, 2008 6:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 2, 2008 6:55 PM EDT   0 recs

Good luck, guys

Beat the Chisox. Beat them badly. Embarrass them. And if one of your pitchers could plunk AJ Pierzynski, that would be great.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Apr 2, 2008 6:56 PM EDT   0 recs

They just said Vic is ready to go tonight!!!

True?!

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 2, 2008 7:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Well I have to crack open a beer:

Vic looks better than we thought.
Fausto is cold as ice.
JJ Putz just went on the 15-day DL.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 2, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ddi Putz really get DL'd? Wow.

by macasson on Apr 2, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep. Had some rib discomfort before blowing the save last night. I know. I know.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 2, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks!

by macasson on Apr 2, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

from mplswahoo:

On Victor: Wedge just said they "dodged a bullet"; it's "not a DL situaiton" and he might even be available to pinch-hit tonight.

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 2, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My first game thread of the year!

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 2, 2008 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

I can't get on mlb.tv again. Keep getting "Request Timeout." Anyone else?

Calling customer service on Monday gave me a forty-five minute hold. Then a live person who took my number and said someone would call back in 24-48 hours.

They will win because they are worthy of victory. - Bill James

by SuddenSam on Apr 2, 2008 7:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Man, I hear you on the "hold" situation. I purchased five playoff games from them back in November and I have yet to get the fifth off of their server (tried via email, then phone about a dozen times, now back to email again). The disorganization/ incompetence over there is staggering.

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They've been having issues for a bit...I think they took it down for a while last night.

by cclemens31 on Apr 2, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I got it now. But they truly suck.

They will win because they are worthy of victory. - Bill James

by SuddenSam on Apr 2, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hammy's on the radio, we're ready to go!

by Voltaire on Apr 2, 2008 7:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, STO feed! Never thought I'd be happy to hear these dopes.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 2, 2008 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

STO question - can anyone help me locate the HD feed on DirecTV? 34 degrees is cold.

by millionairesrow on Apr 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT   0 recs