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Game Thread: April 20, 2008

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Cleveland Indians @ Minnesota Twins


Gametime: 2:10 PM (WKYC)

Lineups:

G. Sizemore cf
D. Dellucci lf
T. Hafner dh
V. Martinez c
J. Peralta ss
R. Garko 1b
A. Cabrera 2b
F. Gutierrez rf
C. Blake 3b
C. Gomez cf
B. Harris 2b
J. Kubel rf
J. Morneau dh
D. Young lf
B. Buscher 3b
M. Redmond c
M. Lamb 1b
N. Punto ss
P. Byrd S. Baker

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Indians vs. Baker (with over 10 ABs):

Blake: 7-16; 1 2B; 1 K
Hafner: 8-16; 2 2B; 3 HR; 2 BB; 2 Ks
Martinez: 5-17; 1 2B; 1 BB; 3 Ks
Peralta: 5-20; 3 2B; 1 HR; 5 Ks
Sizemore: 8-18; 2 2B; 2 BB; 2 Ks

Twins v. Byrd:
Cuddyer: 4-25; 2 2B; 1 HR; 4Ks
Kubel: 5-13; 1 2B; 1 HR; 1 BB
Mauer: 5-24; 1 2B; 3 BB
Monroe: 3-19; 1 2B; 1HR; 5Ks
Morneau: 14-44; 1 2B; 1 3B; 3 HRs; 1 BB; 1 K
Punto: 6-26; 2 2B; 1 BB; 3 Ks.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m calling the Cleveland P.D. tomorrow asking for an APB to be put out for ANDREW MARTINEZ.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny thing, it appears Marte’s given name really is “Andy,” and he may be the only such player in MLB history. (It’s hard to say for sure.)

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope, looks like there’s been exactly one other.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess the Hafner-gets-the-day-off reports were greatly exaggerated.

by Fiddlesticks on Apr 20, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Jamey Carroll doesn’t get to play, then I’m not going to play either. Have a good game, or at least game thread, everyone.

by Fiddlesticks on Apr 20, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wonder why vic is catching byrdie today?

by darthbith on Apr 20, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Shoppach caught Lee, and the last game with Byrd and Vic went better than the previous two. And they didn’t play late last night. I approve.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha – not disagreeing, vic is probably (certainly?) the better hitter, and after the “performance” from last night, we need all the hitting we can get. Just curious if there was another reason….

by darthbith on Apr 20, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m pretty sure that at some point in the last week i heard wedge on the radio saying they’re not going to stick with the “personal catcher” thing. they will work shoppach in whenever they need to.

by mpstable on Apr 20, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have to wonder if they don’t feel like pairing Lee and Martinez together all the time anyway, after that little dust-up last season. More likely it’s water under the bridge, but who knows?

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think it has anything to do with personal catchers. I don’t think Vic’s hamstring is good enough to play first base and Wedge probably feels he can’t take Vic’s bat out of the lineup with this punchless offense. Therefore, he catches.

by TribeJay on Apr 20, 2008 5:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

free marte

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I haven’t been in a game thread since game 3.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

about the same for me…SBN 2.0 doesn’t like my computer very much

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find it’s been more manageable the last couple weeks.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don’t we normally beat up Scott Baker?

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4.35 ERA in 39.1 IP.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that sounds more like a deep tissue massage than a beating…

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is 2-4 against us and is tied with LAA for the most walks against a team.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright c’mon Tribe, Raps are pissing me off here, I need some positivity in my sports life.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not the kind of beginning I was hoping for…

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, taking pitches is neat.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 20, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was pretty quick inning

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 20, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve got run out and get some propane and ingredients for a garlic sauce…I’ll be back

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They were so getting those calls yesterday.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hit the ball right at Dellucci, and he can handle it.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 20, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And now another wacky ground rule from the Abomination Dome. At least Kubel went on to strike out.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 20, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did anyone see the animation of their new ballpark the other night? Is it just me, or does it look like Jacobs Field’s little brother?

by darthbith on Apr 20, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha Paul Byrd is a friggin magician.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a hard hit ball.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sensing a comment-record today.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone listening to WTAM’s gameday feed? Is the game preempted by the Pope’s visit?

by SanD on Apr 20, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Pope’s visit also pre-empted Looch’s contribution to the offence.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like watching Garko’s at-bats.

Minus the K, of course.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 20, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Asdrubal looking a little more comfortable as of late as well.

by Pronktastic on Apr 20, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay I’m not a proponent of swinging at the first pitch with two men on following a walk to the previous batter…

But well done Gutz.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 20, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pushing a run across like that could be big.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes a run

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 20, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good at bat by Nickname Boy

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And mr. clutch comes through again

by darthbith on Apr 20, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hire fucking andy marte before one of us loses our mind

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too late. I lost mine sometime last week.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know. it’s just … gah

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scrappy David Eckstein with a HR versus Detroit. Grit!

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow. the twins went down like the indians in the 2nd inning. just 7 pitches?

by mpstable on Apr 20, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way to start us grady

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This All-Star/Gold Glove discussion is unbelievably inane.

I could have a more interesting conversation on this topic with a cat.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

???

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just realized I was listening to the Twins’ feed when I heard them say “Peralta can run.”

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait where is hammy

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know who is this clown?

my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.

by joeee on Apr 20, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pope visit. I might switch to Spanish. I don’t like this

by SanD on Apr 20, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh n/m. Last inning was all about coverage for the pope visit.

by SanD on Apr 20, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hafner’s got that look …

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that wasn’t the look I was talking about.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i remember this bomb hafner hit in minnesota last year, it was one of the most decisive homerun ive ever seen

my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.

by joeee on Apr 20, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s just chasing so much more than he used to. and he fouls off those pitches right down the middle.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this team is straight from hell.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrd better be dominating today; the offense is back in its funk

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bad time machine

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a half-ass swing for a HR.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two on, no-out…Indians can’t move them up a base.

Nobody on, two out…Twinkies score a run.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’d rather they beat us with small-ball?

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d rather them have to mount some kind of rally.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hafner has used up all the goodwill he bought with that 9th inning home run against the Angels. I’m pissed again.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peralta 3 for his last 28.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think garko has the longest at bats on the team.

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

strikes?

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“swing and a miss strike three” is surprisingly lyrical

my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.

by joeee on Apr 20, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hafner OPS

2006 1.097
2007 .837
2008 needs to get on today or will drop below .700

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

/me shoots self

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His OPS+ coming in to today’s game (94) is the same as Blake Dewitt, Lyle Overbay, and Matt Kemp.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

matt kemp is legit

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey! If we win today we win the series! Hey!

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve forgotten what that’s like

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrd at 41 pitches through 4 innings, Baker at 65

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

scott baker sucks. for real.

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baker 7 out of 14 outs on Ks

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hire marte

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THIS IS GETTING ANNOYING

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh man, mario’s in all caps

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typically I reserve caps for yelling FOR FUCK’S SAKE. I’ve broadened my usage based on our current struggles.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Something has to give with Blake eventually. Marte couldn’t perform much worse. The 3B at Kingston probably couldn’t.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why does it feel like the Indians are losing?

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because out of the last 16 games …

5 games scoring > 4 runs
6 games scoring 3-4 runs
5 games scoring < 3 runs

... and out of the last 7 games including today (so far) ...

1 game scoring > 4 runs
3 games scoring 3-4 runs
3 games scoring < 3 runs

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here’s what I don’t understand.

Cabrera has filled in for a slumping Peralta. Carroll has filled in for a slumping Cabrera. Michaels filled in for a sick/slumping Gutierrez.

Is Blake immune from needing a day off? Ever? Wedge goes the extra mile to NOT get Blake out of the lineup.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I swear Marte urinated all over the clubhouse or something.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wedge’s argument would be that Blake isn’t slumping at the moment. 4-12 with a double and a HR in his last three games.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andy isnt going to save this team. Core players need to start producing runs.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andy is so going to save this team. With his eyes closed. He’s a cult hero in my household.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mine too

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is the Blake is not going to save this team.

And that he wont’ be around in 2009. And that the Indians have a guy on their bench who, while he hasn’t lit up anything of late, has a pretty substantial track record of having done all the things you want to see in a guy to whom you at least give an opportunity to be a major league player.

Add in the fact that the team is struggling--a result to which Blake is a major contributor-and there’s really no reason NOT to try Marte.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, throw Andy in there, it’s like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. If the core players don’t start producing, it won’t matter.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you’re going to sink, you might as well sink in style.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You do it just hoping to catch lightening in a bottle—like what Gabe Kapler has done in MIL, or Jeff Keppinger in CIN, or what Asdrubal Cabrera did last year.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake never counted as a core player. Ever.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can’t help but laugh at this. Really? They couldn’t predict that the Big Hurt was more of a Moderate-Sized Hurt at this point, and then only on days when he tried? Not as calamitous as Mike Hampton or (potentially) Barry Zito, but still pretty bad.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh that Zito contract is worse than Hampton’s, I think

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, but I think we gotta wait it out. He could still turn it around and have some good years, you never know.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess we have to wait it out, but so far Zito has been just as good as Hampton.

I see no reason to assume that Zito will (a) decline to a 6.15 ERA this season (or next), or (b) make only 12 starts in the last four years of his deal.

And that’s what makes Hampton so tough to beat.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice toss Vic

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think both of these teams should feel pretty embarrassed about their offences.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The way I’m embarrassed about my spelling.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha. I hate not having an edit function.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Signs of Life!

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh, corpses are known to quiver even after death.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I take it back.

VIc is hitting an empty .350…if that’s possible.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about Peralta HBP, then Garko single up the middle.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He didn’t do the leaping across the plate to put his elbow in the way that I was hoping for.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT was that swing, Jhonny?

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya have to be in a pretty deep funk to make Baker look this effective.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah, nah, remember we diagnosed us last year as schizophrenic

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well played. Our depression lectures are tomorrow so I’ll be able to use the term more responsibly then.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fire Shelton. I’m not a fan of these month-long slumps, and this is getting to be a habit with this club.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Indians are the Herschel Walker of baseball teams.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just have this really snarky desire to tell the fans of these teams shutting us down that it doesn’t actually mean they’re any good. Yes, Nathan Blackburn shut us out yesterday in his fourth major league start – big deal. Pretty much everyone does that. It doesn’t mean you should get excited about him. It only counts for like half when it’s against our offense.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2008 Indians are starting to remind me of the 1998 Orioles.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

explain

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they employ a third baseman who is just hanging on toooooo long.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who???

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was a joke about Cal Ripken and Casey Blake. not a funny one, apparently.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so, hire paul byrd

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, he’s been good. Byrd-good, but 1 run is 1 run.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Essentially the same team on the field that vastly underperformed only one year after making it far into the playoffs and being one of the best teams in baseball.

I know, I know—it’s still early. But as someone said here a few days ago, that excuse will run dry shortly.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baker’s good.

It’s just that all these guys should not be throwing 8 innings and setting career highs in strikeouts against our offense.

With Grady, Peralta, Hafner, Gutierrez, Dellucci, and Blake, the Indians have 6 guys who strike out more than you like. Some of them offset it with other offensive contributions. But on a bad day, this team won’t put the ball in play.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i believe you are saying that they make outs more than we like, which is correct. i could give a damn about strikeouts, unless you do it 3 times a game flailing.

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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

missing the point…

When David Eckstein has an off day, he grounds out three times, maybe moving the runner over. But he puts the ball in play, at least giving himself a chance to find a hole the way Guiterrez did in his first AB—it was a bad swing on a first pitch again a guy who couldn’t find the zone.

I don’t want a team full of Eckstein’s. Like I said, some offset their strikeouts with other thing (walks, hits, power). And when you lookat what other shortstops do, you’ll take Peralta’s offense every year. But when the entire lineup is strikeout prone, you either hit a homerun or you play the painful game we see all too often: get a guy on and we can’t even manufacture a run.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s nice to have run-manufacturing skills, but driving the ball is the best overall approach, and having players who “drive” better than they “manufacture” is a no-brainer, and yes, even for all nine spots in the lineup. The math on this doesn’t change with men on base, by the way.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just take issue when the guys you pay to “drive” the ball lack the secondary skills to be useful when they aren’t “driving.”

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d take a team full of last year’s Travis Hafner’s over a team full of peak David Eckstein’s. I hope I’ve made that clear.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re skipping over the middle part. Your argument implies that either (a) there’s a point where you should ask them to stop trying to drive, or (b) they can employ these “secondary” skills while trying to drive. I don’t think either condition is actually true.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baker LOOKS very hittable today. Except this team couldn’t hit a piñata.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.

by westbrook on Apr 20, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kubel sounds like a pastry.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love when Byrd needs a double windup to get some mustard on the ball. He has been wonderful though.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The exact same pitch except it’s a changeup?

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We can still win 96 games this year, but Wedgie needs to throw some bats around the dugout.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrd deserves kudos for these last two starts.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So… C.C., as our #5 starter.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the time it took me to write an encouraging post about Garko, he made an out. Sigh.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Somebody tell me Garko’s popup %

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This year: 55.6%. For his career, 44.1.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone else having problems with mlb.tv?

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mlb.tv is trying to save you the frustration you’ll thank them eventually

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you’re right, I probably need some angry Hammy anyway.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I… got nothing.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can’t watch this any more.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.

by westbrook on Apr 20, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Blake talk is totally out of hand.

He came into this game with a 1012 OPS for the last five games, but you wouldn’t know it from the comments here.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’s become the stalking horse for the whole offense.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you and your streaks.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.

by westbrook on Apr 20, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I imagine we’ll be overly generous toward Blake once the offense is rolling.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Somehow I doubt that.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I did me when and not if.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I did me when and not if.

??

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The offense WILL start rolling.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see…sort of

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He said “me” when he meant “mean.”

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clarity restored

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Casey Blake is a hack. 0 OPS over the last one game.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

neither does Gutz

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Minnesota have huge rates of drunk-driving fatalities? I’m listening to their radio feed and it seems like every other ad spot is a drunk driving ad…

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe those ads are effective…

by APV on Apr 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stupid kids doing stupid things

Minnesota, along with Wisconsin, North Dakota, and most of the upper Midwest, does have the highest rates of binge drinking, however.

by bcollinsmn on Apr 20, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyway, this park is always a misery for us. Freakin’ turf, freakin’ fluke-ball environment, freakin’ slap-hitting jerkoff Twins.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is? Hafner was batting like 1.000 at the MetroDome.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are the balls being hit a lot harder now?

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game on the line here..

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whew!!!

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 20, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright nice work Jhonny. And Gark.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whew.

for a second there, i thought brian buscher, mike redmond, and mike lamb just took down the indians.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yay

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That video of Cabrera slapping Gutierrez ought to give Wedge some ideas.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C’mon Blake, make me regret making fun of you.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dennys Reyes has a head the size of a pumpkin.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wedge sits there like he’s auditing an accounting class.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d be bored with this team, too.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With one run in 16 innings, Wedge has already done all the grunt math work. He’s come to a conclusion….runs are necessary.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Way to take, Blake.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my gameday = dead

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We’re taking this game. I feel it.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like to believe.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tigers lose 5-3. Haven’t broken out of it yet.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ChiSox dominating again behind Danks. If Danks and Floyd are legit, White Sox have hope to win 85.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

could this division just be… bad.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fortunately, yes. It’s the only hope the Indians have! :D

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hire gary busey and rocky colavito

There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...

by HireRockyColavito on Apr 20, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

michaels is a rock of suck

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow surprised they didn’t turn that.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis breaks the tie, now. I’m sure of it!

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I seem to have left my psychic powers in my other pants.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are they in the shift? I’d love to see Pronk do what he did in Toronto last year

by SanD on Apr 20, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

intentional overreaction

I hate baseball

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.

by westbrook on Apr 20, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 months till Browns training camp

There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...

by HireRockyColavito on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You joined 19 minutes ago to say that?

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way to be nosey

There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...

by HireRockyColavito on Apr 20, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Way to be a negative assclown?

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on, man … “HireRockyColavito” ... you gotta admit, that’s pretty good.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we should, i bet he still has some pop in his bat. more than jason michaels

There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...

by HireRockyColavito on Apr 20, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kind of preaching to the choir on this.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d take Harvey Kuenn at this point.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get used to it.

Gotta give you credit for the LGT-savvy username, though.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have never watched a football game since the Browns left town. I have nothing to look forward to!

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but julie, they came back!

by aufrank on Apr 20, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My affection for football was extremely shallow. And it DIED.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sigh.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Apr 20, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that alley-oop dunk was amazing

by aufrank on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We’re coming back. Here we come.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ever notice how our infield generates notoriously few webgems?

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

punto’s got 2 turf hits today. damn him.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do we think carroll gets to that ball?

by aufrank on Apr 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The turf is there for the top half of the inning, too.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I used to think that type of comeback was an effective argument, but the Twins know how to use the cement flooring better because of experience.

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the team is acquired and deployed based on skills more aligned with that environment.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Indians are sucking.

Blame the turf, lighting, dome temperature. Rationalize however you like.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Apr 20, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I won’t deny the Indians are sucking, but the environment can turn a merely mediocre game with mediocre luck into a total embarrassment.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomez bunts like the Shapiro/Wedge Indians

by cheech99 on Apr 20, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gomez finally gets to fulfil his fantasy of bunting in a proper situation.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that’s just luck.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and we have none right now.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate agreeing with Rick Manning, but Garko does look tentative on those fouls.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK tribe, I am drinking a beer now. JUST FOR YOU. Honor my sacrifice. Win this game.

by aufrank on Apr 20, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m watching the movie “The Warriors” here…I feel like I’m watching an 80s non-musical version of West Side Story.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gutz scaring the masses with his arm.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hear fireworks outside my apt. Reds must have won.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they scored 3 in the 9th, could be do somthing like that?

by palcal on Apr 20, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weglarz has 3 more walks today.

That’s 18 walks in 11 games.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At what point do they promote him just so he can finally see some pitches?

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW screw you ump.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice f’ing ball 4 call ump. Christ our luck sucks.

by cheech99 on Apr 20, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

twins tv guys are shocked.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah….Twins announcer: “that pitch split the plate in half”.

by shenvalee on Apr 20, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s normally a good indication of how bad a call it is. When the homers are dumbfounded.

by Pronktastic on Apr 20, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its sweet that vic speaks english and spanish.

my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.

by joeee on Apr 20, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I’d be able to get my point across in any language at this point.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ASFIUYWEGFLUYALIFUHWEILUFHLEFN!!!!!!!!

(Uzbek)

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the f’ing worst. We can’t buy a call.

by cheech99 on Apr 20, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh that was strike 3

by elsandito on Apr 20, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Checked swings give me heartburn.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uuum….that was close man.

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah that went around.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huzzah

There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...

by HireRockyColavito on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now I’m really cranky.

by Julie on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright, we can’t buy any kind of break, but we are still in this game. let’s find a damn way to win.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how raffy got his groove back

my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.

by joeee on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beautiful change of pace with that fastball. Nice work Raffy P

by cheech99 on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raffy laughs at shitty calls.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, some runs. A run. Any runs will do.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my internet cut out.

looking? swinging?

by xrickx on Apr 20, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way to start it off vic

by darthbith on Apr 20, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oo, that means he got on… good time machine

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently yes, but at least we know Peralta isn’t bunting.

by maledicta on Apr 20, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, let’s test this theory…

At least we know Garko won’t hit a home run right now.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 20, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I honestly wouldn’t. Certainly if he got to second, but are we hoping for the 1st to 3rd here?

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, absolutely, they might send the runner.

by Jay on Apr 20, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’d be cool if Carroll was like Ellsbury-fast. Then he would become easily my favourite Indian.

by supermarioelia on Apr 20, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs