Week In Review: April 14-20
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The series: Hosted the Red Sox (loss, loss) and Tigers (loss, win) and visited the Twins (win, loss, loss).
The big story: We got six quality starts out of seven, but our offense got exactly one win out of those six quality starts. These weren't borderline quality starts, either – in each of the six, the starter either made it into the 7th inning or gave up less than 2 runs, and in three out of six, he did both. Five regulars put up averages under .170 while only one hit better than .250 – but they maddeningly continued to draw walks, drawing the fifth-most this week in the AL despite apparently not being able to hit. The Indians were only outscored by five runs on the week but managed to distribute their runs badly, winning two games by 14 runs and losing five games by 19 runs. The net result is that the Indians missed an opportunity to get a little distance in the standings from the Tigers, joining them in the cellar instead, and fans are forced to start wondering just how inevitable a crash is for first-place Chicago.
In other news: Sabathia and Borowski, nominally our #1 starter and reliever respectively, further bombed out. Already the worst starter in baseball entering the week, Sabathia gave up his second nine-spot in a week's time, one of just two pitchers to give up more than six runs in a game, twice, in 2008 – and his co-honoree Tom Gorzellany has an ERA more than four runs lower. Borowski, meanwhile, failed in such spectacular and obvious fashion – struggling to throw a fastball over 80 mph – that many felt relieved to see such his agonizing career as Indians closer end swiftly (at least for the moment) by a trip to the DL for "noodle-like symptoms." It turned out that Borowski's giddyup deficit was well known to the staff, which raised questions as to why he was allowed to attempt to close four games. Sabathia and Borowski's struggles led directly to five of our 12 losses this season, and we survived Sabathia's Opening Day blowout and nearly overcame another on April 11. So it's not wishful thinking to believe that even with all the team's other problems, we'd probably be 11-8 right now had these two pitchers not failed so profoundly.
Lee continued his improbable run as the game's most effective pitcher, leading the majors in RA, ERA and FIP. Byrd made a more or less unheralded return to form this week with two very fine starts, while Carmona quieted fears following last week's nine-walk adventure. Hafner hit a game-winning home run but otherwise struggled to keep his OPS over 700, as Indians fans start to wonder if we haven't even seen him hit rock-bottom yet. Perez bounced back from a shellacking the previous weekend to pitch effectively in four games, but he was finally touched for a run on his 11th batter of the game yesterday, his first game facing more than 9 batters since moving out of long relief last June. Despite being tagged with a loss yesterday, he actually made great strides toward re-asserting himself as an 8th-inning ace.
Post of the week: Now taking nominations.
Who fed it: Byrd pitched far better than your typical #5 starter, giving up just one run over 13 IP in two starts. Lee put up eight innings of two-hit, shutout ball and fans looked on in disbelief. Victor surged back with a 12-for-27 week, but his searing .444 average was a little empty, accompanied by just one walk and one extra-base hit, a double. Carroll continued to perform well in a supporting role, supplementing his .200 average with a beefy .500 secondary average and his usual fine defensive play. Perez was unlucky on base hits but overall very effective over four games and 4.2 IP, allowing just one walk and no extra-base hits to go with 6 K's – 11 groundballs, 3 flyballs and just one line drive. Absolute Best: Lee. Relative Best: Byrd.
Who ate it: Sabathia and Borowski were complete disasters – although in fairness, Sabathia's ERA for the week (20.25) was twice as good as Borowski's (40.50) . While many hitters were terrible, nothing was more awful than Peralta's slugging average of .136, or more disappointing than Sizemore's overall line of .160/.300/.240, or more troubling than Hafner's overall line of .167/.259/.333. Stomp Lewis had two miserable outings out of two, lucky to give up only two runs to Boston after allowing two doubles and two walks in the two-run loss, and allowing two walks before getting just one out a few nights later. Absolute Worst: Peralta. Relative Worst: Borowski.
The other guys: Indians pitchers got mugged pretty good by Manny, Lugo and Pedroia for the Red Sox, as well as Renteria, Cabrera and Inge for the Tigers, but nobody inflicted as much damage as Youkilis, who collected a walk, a single, three doubles and a home run in just two games, good for a 2075 OPS. Ortiz produced an empty 3-for-10, 600 OPS, and needed some luck even to do that well. Pudge went 0-for-6, stranding ten, in a game where his teammates were teeing off on Indians pitchers to the tune of 11 runs. Delmon Young and Carlos Gomez, both 22-year-olds acquired in the offseason, combined for just one single and one walk in 23 AB. On the other side, the Indians dispatched Verlander, Lester and Liriano handily only to get manhandled by the utterly unheralded Armanda Galarraga and Nick Blackburn, plus the somewhat heralded Scott Baker. The Indians put up a five-spot on Detroit's Zach Miner to seal their one strong offensive game, but against Boston, Papelbon and Okajima each sealed a two-run victory with a two-strikeout perfect final frame.
False alarms:
- Paul Byrd as an excellent starter.
- Sabathia being the worst pitcher in the game.
- Borowski being sent in to close a game.
- Perez looking rough.
Open questions:
- Can we turn it around quickly enough that we don't dig a 2006-sized hole for ourselves in the standings?
- Since any blogger writing in his/her parents' basement in his/her underwear can speculate on whether C.C.'s contract situation is distracting him, what exactly do we need newspaper columnists for?
- Too soon to start the Cy watch for Cliff Lee?
- How long can Byrd keep it together?
- How long can Sabathia keep it apart?
- What kind of production will the team consider acceptable from AbaCab?
- Why are the Indians so strangely unwilling to play Blake in LF or RF, which would allow them to give Marte playing time in lieu of Micheals and sometimes Gutierrez?
- Is there anything more to the lack of playing time for Marte, other than his just being low-man on the totem pole to start the season?
- How much playing time will Carroll siphon from Peralta and especially AbaCab, and will his performance hold up given more exposure?
- Will Borowski ever return to the active roster, and if so, in what role?
- Kobayashi, Breslow, Julio – seriously, can these guys pitch?
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Lots of questions!! I’ll only take on a few of them
a. if the pitching holds up and CC pitches better, they’ll stay in the race. No one else is playing that well and I don’t think the White Sox can keep it up (I don’t see their pitching being that strong over a prolonged period).
b. Byrd will pitch about how he did last year—acceptably good for a #5.
c. Sabathia will improve (but only if he’s not hurt, about which I still wonder).
d. If Cabrera hits .250 (and gets his OPS into the respectable range), he’ll play regularly. I think they will wait until the end of May or thereabouts to see, and also to see how Barfield progresses. Then, they’ll make a decision.
e. I think Wedge doesn’t like Marte’s act (although I’m not sure why)
f. Caroll will get two starts a week (maybe more, if he plays some outfield). And, he’ll be solid, but not good enough to displace one of the young middle infielders.
g. Was JoBo on the active roster? Depends what you mean by “active.” I suspect he’s done. Arm injury.
h. Kobayashi seems to be developing a head of steam. I think he can pitch and I think Wedge is beginning to think so too. Julio is F. Cabrera, but older and a little better. Breslow hasn’t shown he can throw strikes with any consistency. Neither of them looks very promising, although I’d give Breslow more of a look.
by peter m on
Apr 21, 2008 5:58 PM EDT
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- Can we turn it around quickly enough that we don’t dig a 2006-sized hole for ourselves in the standings?
—No. I don’t think they can.
- Too soon to start the Cy watch for Cliff Lee?
—He’s pitched well, but I think the team is going to suck. Therefore, no CY.
- How long can Byrd keep it together?
—Probably not long. I like having Victor in to catch him. I think Victor is a smarter catcher than Shoppach and Byrd needs to be brainy.
- How long can Sabathia keep it apart?
—I think tomorrow’s outing will be no worse than mediocre.
- What kind of production will the team consider acceptable from AbaCab?
—I find questions like that impossible even to guess about. There have been players for this team whose production seemed obviously below acceptability to me, yet they stayed in the lineup.
- Why are the Indians so strangely unwilling to play Blake in LF or RF, which would allow them to give Marte playing time in lieu of Micheals and sometimes Gutierrez?
—I begin to wonder if Marte is perhaps pissing someone off somewhere about something.
- Is there anything more to the lack of playing time for Marte, other than his just being low-man on the totem pole to start the season?
—Maybe.
- How much playing time will Carroll siphon from Peralta and especially AbaCab, and will his performance hold up given more exposure?
—Despite my crush on my sweet baboo, I don’t think he’s a long-term solution. His apparent competence (at least relative to Astrocab) does make him a nice addition to the roster.
- Will Borowski ever return to the active roster, and if so, in what role?
—I don’t think so.
- Kobayashi, Breslow, Julio – seriously, can these guys pitch?
—Maru can pitch. We don’t even need to reprogram the computers!
by Julie on
Apr 21, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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Great Post
There’s no question that Blake needs to supplant Michaels in the outfield and that Marte needs to get more playing time to see where he’s at and where he might be headed.
I’m feeling better about the bullpen and have cautious optimism that Julio and Breslow will be okay. But it’s possible that the disruption caused by losing Borowski and pushing everyone back will be serious.
C.C.’s current performance is terrifying. While I doubt that this is a serious possibility, my ideal situation would be for him to get back on track, pitch well for us until the trading deadline, and then for Shap to raid some desperate team’s farm system—whether or not we’re in contention provided that there aren’t other rotation injuries and that one or more of Laffey, Sowers, and Miller are ready to step into the #5 spot.
C.C.’s performance in the playoffs and so far this season really calls into question his status as an ace and certainly makes him a much riskier investment for a team with Cleveland’s payroll. Moreover, I don’t think it’s worth whatever he might bring to the team in August and September to only receive a draft pick at the end of the season.
The worst case scenario, however, would be for C.C. to be awful this season, thereby likely ruining both the team’s playoff hopes and the opportunity to trade him for something worthwhile at the deadline.
In all cases, though, it’s too soon to worry about the team. The hitting will get back on track and the pitching will straighten out.
by J83 on
Apr 21, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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ooooh. i like these. especially since i need to catch up.
by Brick. on
Apr 21, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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anyone who clicks ‘Julio Lugo’ because they saw his name and wanted to read more is out of control.
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.
by westbrook on
Apr 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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Wedge said a week or so ago he wants Marte to continue to show good work ethic is his pre-game and practice regimen
by palcal on
Apr 21, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
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Going into the season I would’ve bet my future career earnings that Wedge would’ve busted out this beauty of an excuse at some point. Too predictable. They’re friggin baseball players. They look like they’re slacking by nature.
by supermarioelia on
Apr 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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I think this goes back to spring training. Marte’s defense was awful. More to the point, he looked like he was refusing to get in front of the ball, and more importantly, looked like he didn’t care. I guess the question isn’t when Wedge would talk about this, but if you’re Andy Marte and know Wedge is like this, then why do you go out in ST and put out a performance like that? I don’t care about the infield conditions in Winter Haven, if you’re a bench player and are looking for playing time, you don’t go about it that way.
I would like Marte to get more time as well, but it’s only going to happen if he starts playing really well in the limited chances he gets. Of course, he might get some time if the Tribe is 14-26 after 40 games.
The other point is that Marte hasn’t shown that he can play in the big leagues. He did in 2004 at AAA, but it hasn’t appeared since then. And however limited that Blake and Michaels are, they have established themselves as big-league players with past performance. And with a team expected to contend, Wedge values that over everything else.
by TribeJay on
Apr 21, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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This almost feels like it was taken straight from Wedge’s mouth.
So hang on a sec, I was raked over the coals last year on here for accusing the entire team of having “terrible body language” last July and August, and suddenly it’s ok to criticize Marte of the same thing? If and Wedge actually believe that Andy Marte somehow “doesn’t care” with potentially millions on the line then I don’t know what to tell you.
And judging Marte on limited playing time is pretty bogus, I hope we all recognize how flawed this is.
Gahhhhhhh I feel like we keep re-hashing the same points, and nothing changes. Someone get out of this vicious cycle of Blakeness.
I’m looking at you, 3rd-base sprinkler head.
by supermarioelia on
Apr 22, 2008 9:23 AM EDT
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Man, I’m the LAST person to cry racism, but I really think the whole Marte (and in the past Peralta) body language complaint finds its roots in his non-whiteness. I am beginning to wonder if Wedge has an inability to connect with the ungrindy non-whites. Granted he’s a nut everywhere, but Milton Bradley? BP?
Sorry if that touches a nerve. Um. Just my two cents. No offense?
by CBusSteve on
Apr 22, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
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What is it with the Marte love around here? It is absolute insane. The guy never looks good at the plate, and is tentative in the field. Yeah, I know Blake has been pretty terrible, this just means that 3B is a huge hole.
As for non-whiteness, who do you think Wedge has more respect for their work ethic: slumping CC or Cy Cliff?
by oxforddave on
Apr 22, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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Perhaps it’s most fair to say Wedge has “his guys.” CC obviously qualifies and to some extent Vic (brotherhood of catchers), but I think grinders have the easiest path to acceptance. CC’s track record clearly overcomes even the strictest grind threshold.
At third base, here is what we’ve had so far.
Blake: Bad, has had a shot this year (63PA), old.
Marte: Bad, has not had a shot this year (7PA), young.
I’m not saying Marte is the answer, just that it is senseless to let him rot on the bench. Why not go series-by-series, play Marte 3, play Blake 3 for a month? Make clear that this is your plan and stick to it. If you’re that desperate to get Blake’s mad crazy hitting skills in the line-up occasionally play him at 1B or in the OF on days Marte is at 3B.
Realistically, Blake isn’t winning any gold gloves this year either. Blake also has a pretty clear performance ceiling and floor. You know what he is. It feels as though all of Marte’s at-bats are truly ‘clutch.’ He gets one chance to perform, or he sits again for another week. Never mind. He would sit again for a week regardless.
by CBusSteve on
Apr 22, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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Never looks good at the plate? You take that back this instant. He’s impressed me in every one of his seven at-bats this season.
Oh and before some of us get disappointed at game-time, Blake has killed Meche in his career, so the Andrew Martinez watch will continue to be on hold.
by supermarioelia on
Apr 22, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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For me, it’s 6 of 7. That one at bat where Wedge asked him to bunt and he couldn’t get it down and then swung weakly at a breaking ball for strike 3 was not very impressive. Nevertheless, it’s hard to hold it against him since in his first at bat in well over a week, Wedge asked him to bunt.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Apr 22, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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But we do agree he’s looked good otherwise? I’m not going crazy here? Seems like during the game threads the consensus has been that he’s put up good at-bats….even though his 3.5 pitches/PA is a bit lower than I would’ve thought. Grasping at straws?? You betchya!
by supermarioelia on
Apr 22, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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The at-bats I’ve seen (not all 7) have looked promising. He didn’t seem to be up there whaling away. I’ve also seen him play his position with some skill this year; and he is able to move laterally, which is more than Blake is able to do. Not that Blake is the WORST guy on the team this year; he’d get a run for his money from Gutierrez, Cabrera, even Peralta (over the last 10 days, anyway). Letting Marte play a few games in a row to see what he can do makes sense. Blake is always billed as a multi-position player, but they seem unwilling to use him in that way, which would maximize his somewhat limited value.
by peter m on
Apr 22, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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Marte has generally looked like a major leaguer in the limited time he has played this year. He doesn’t seem to be giving away at bats, and he has fielded his position well, making a couple really nifty plays. It would be nice to see what he could do when he’s not looking over his shoulder wondering if this is his last at bat in two weeks. It would be nice if he weren’t asked to bunt. It would be nice if he weren’t pinch-hit for in situations where he might come up clutch.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Apr 22, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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Well that’s good Mario, because I was trying to convey what Wedge is thinking, IMO. Not what I was thinking.
I don’t think Wedge believes that Marte doesn’t care…I was just saying that giving that appearance doesn’t help get him playing time.
Also, please note my sentence about wanting Marte to get more time…you may have missed that in your rush to retort.
by TribeJay on
Apr 23, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
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1 – yes, but it had better begin soon.
2 – FIRE NEWSPAPERS
3 – yes, but 2 more starts like the first 3 will Begin CyWatch (and convince me this isn’t a fluke)
4 – 60% of the time. which i’ll take for 6 innings each start from a #5.
5 – until Wedge sends a message and makes him our set-up man.
6 – too little.
7 – wedge hates marte
8 – wedge hates marte
9a – hopeully more. and hopefully some at 3b as well. 9b – he’ll hold up as long as he isn’t playing 4+ games a week
10 – he may return, but unless he adds 8 mph, it won’t be as closer.
11 – maybe, maybe (SSS), probably not
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich.
by westbrook on
Apr 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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I wonder if the mood meter ever would have hit 2.8 last year? Maybe after the mid-season Yankee sweep. But I doubt it.
by Toxicadam on
Apr 21, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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fans are forced to start wondering just how inevitable a crash is for first-place Chicago
If Floyd and Danks keep pitching like this, and Swisher and Crisp keep raking like this, I’m going to be scared pretty soon.
by JulioBernazard on
Apr 21, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
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I beginning to think this division is going to be really really bad. Like, 85 wins could win the thing by 5 games. Detroit’s pitching is going to keep them from getting to .500 quickly and then keep them from pulling away. KC and Minnesota won’t score enough runs and are too much in a rebuilding mindset to do much better than play .500 ball. That leaves us and the ChiSox. I picked the White Sox to be dead last in our division, and I didn’t think it would be close. Well, Dye and Thome are hitting really well and I thought their declines would continue. I still do, but maybe they’ll put up enough in the middle of that order to give them a chance. Swisher was a nice add for them and they have the makings of a decent pitching staff, even though I don’t think Danks and Floyd will keep it up at their current rate.
How bout them Cleveland Indians?
Well, I think the bullpen will be ok. I think Masa can turn into something solid and we’ll get enough out of Betancourt, perez, and maybe Lewis that it won’t be a huge concern. plus, the next group of relievers in Buffalo will be ready if guys like Julio falter.
Lee will not go 32-0 like he is on pace for, but maybe he has found something that can make him that better than league average pitcher and sustain for a season like he has in his past. Byrd might last as a 5th starter until the AS break, but at least he will hold down the spot until Smith, Miller, Laffey, or Sowers are ready. Westy is solid. Fausto is impossible to analyze, except that he is cool and I hope teams keep swinging at that sinker that seems like its a ball 80% of the time its taken. CC? I don’t know, even if he gives us 200 more innings this season at a 4.00 ERA, I think we should be satisfied, say thanks, and pat him on the back as he finds money elsewhere in the league.
Then there is the offense, I’m horrified of it. Peralta, Blake, Gutz, and LF platoon have the ability to put up league average production, but not more, and all of them have given us reason to believe they will fall way below that this year (also considering horrible seasons in the past by guys like Peralta and Blake). AsCab/Carroll/Barfield.. I don’t think any of them are going to put up an OPS close to .750 this year. Garko, Hafner, Martinez, Sizemore: these guys make or break our season. They have the potential to be impact bats on a major league team, but right now they aren’t. Garko is borderline in this category, but I think he has the potential to go for 30 HRs and an OPS in the .850-.900 range, and he is right there right now. Hafner’s struggles are a mystery, and well discussed. Martinez has hit a bunch of singles, but only 2 2B’s, 0 HRs and just 1 BB. That’s not enough. I am scared of a quick power decline for V-Mart. Similarly Sizemore isn’t slugging at all, but at least he is getting on base- and I’m not too worried about him, I think he will be fine.
by DaytonDogg on
Apr 21, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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Masa was hitting 91-92 the last couple of times out after not breaking 90 before, and he was getting foul balls instead of outfield hits. I think the cold weather was affecting him. If he keeps throwing like that, I like his odds for success.
by TribeJay on
Apr 21, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
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everytime you smile playing baseball, Eric Wedge kills a puppy
Anybody else see STO’s one-on-one with Eric Wedge? He is actually kind of frightening. He was saying the first pro team he was on (Elmira?) a couple of the guys there weren’t as “passionate” as he was about baseball and were there “having fun.” I think the implication was that some dudes weren’t sufficiently “grindy.” Anyway he said he got into some fights because of that – like literally.
My guess is that Wedge once saw Marte having fun and since he’s not allowed to beat him senseless, he’s left with banishing him to the end of the pine.
by rog on
Apr 21, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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Grady
A blasphemous consideration—maybe Grady has become a stiff? Coming off an unreal 2006, he came down to earth last year. Granderson had a better season last year. This season Cletus Thomas has done better. What happened to Grady’s doubles? We were told his improved walk rate would result in a breakout season, but he more resembles Rick Manning than he does Willie Mays. And his fielding?
by odradek on
Apr 22, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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I’m not sure how you define “stiff.” Grady despite his slump is now 19th in the league in Runs Created, 40th in VORP. Last season, after “he came down to earth,” he was 5th in the AL in RC, 10th in VORP. In his breakout 2006, he was 3rd in RC and 4th in VORP.
He’s still just 25, and it would be foolish to bet on a rapid decline based on just a few weeks of numbers that are merely mediocre, not awful. Glancing over his PECOTA page, that system projects …
• It will take him six whole years to decline just two Wins in value, from his 2007 level (7.3 WARP) to his projected 2013 level (5.2).
• Only about a 30% chance that he still has significantly better seasons ahead of him, less than what the scouts would say.
• It’s 50/50 that he remains at “superstar level” (.300+ EqA) through 2012.
• It’s 75/25 that he remains at “star level” (.280+ EqA) or better through 2011.
• It’s 96/4 that he remains above-average (.260+ EqA) or better through 2011.
Of course it’s always possible—those odds don’t say 100% or even 99%. But it’s a pretty bad bet, as most are based on three weeks of baseball stats.
by Jay on
Apr 22, 2008 1:17 AM EDT
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Forgive my rhetorical overstatement. Clearly, he’s no stiff. But the seven-year WARP suggests we may have already seen his best seasons (2006, 2007). The most accurate comps could be Ray Lankford and Lloyd Moseby—good players, but not Willie Mays.
by odradek on
Apr 22, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
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“May have,” of course. I believe I presented the odds for various levels in some detail in my last message.
I think Lankford had a very strange early career path and doesn’t make for a compelling comp for Sizemore.
At Sizemore’s current age, Lankford had: 31 HR, 126 XBH, .083 walk rate, .274/.339/.437.
Sizemore’s career stats through yesterday: 79 HR, 241 XBH, .096 walk rate, .282/.369/.483.
Lankford followed this up with the worst season of his career, .262 EqA (all-time scale) as he played through injuries in 1993.
I can’t tell you the exact odds of Sizemore plummeting to .262 EqA (all-time scale) this season, but his career number is .300, and PECOTA thinks he’s a 90% bet to hit .271 or better. So, I would say, slim.
What you’re doing here is worrying about nothing. Sizemore is an terrific player to have on any team for the next 5-6 years or more and a fashionable pick for MVP among many sophisticated observers. If he turns out not to be as good as Willie Mays, all that means is that he’s not the greatest CF of all-time. I can live with that.
by Jay on
Apr 23, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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Point taken. I’ll concede it. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, though, I suspect many sophisticated observers are overly optimistic with their fashionable pick for MVP. Our hopes for a breakout may not have much basis. Grady probably won’t become Andruw Jones, either.
by odradek on
Apr 23, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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Any truly sophisticated observer will understand that an MVP pick is not even a serious question deserving a serious answer.
by Jay on
Apr 23, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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I’m just dropping in to nominate any or all of my own comments for Post of the Week, because I need attention.
Oh, and hey, Brick, nice to see you. You’ll notice a number of W.C.s crying out for demolition when you get the chance.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled self-imposed fleerdon suspension. See you in 8 days.
by fleerdon on
Apr 22, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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what is this, a satyagraha?
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on
Apr 22, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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Pretty much the exact opposite. Gandhi was working AGAINST a violent offensive by the Indian Indians of India. I’m working in FAVOR of a violent offensive by the Cleveland Indians of baseball.
Gandhi probably also had some thoughts on shameless self promotion.
Also, I’m taking finals.
by fleerdon on
Apr 22, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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good point.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on
Apr 23, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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i think just about 97% of W.C.’s need demo’d over there. I pulled an intercostal manuvering around some of those tiny things.
by Brick. on
Apr 22, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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