Game Thread: April 27, 2008
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What? Isn’t his consecutive game streak on the line?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He did seem to pull/hyper extend something in the 9th inning yesterday. Would a Sizemore injury explain the Snyder call up? I don’t see how, but that’s all I have.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
Yea, it is. But keeping him healthy is more important than some streak. He turned his ankle yesterday, and it must be sore. Explains the Snyder callup…
He still stayed in the game. Let’s hope it’s not that serious.
As for the Snyder callup… that’s just weird. Even if you needed an emergency OF, you’ve got the Blake/Marte/Carroll switcheroo
CALL UP MILLER.
is it me or have Wedge and Shap seemingly forgotten Blake can play the OF?
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.
Well, I imagine playing the field (at a major league level) isn’t exactly like riding a bike. Blake had to do A LOT of work in the offseason before he played OF. Now that he was penciled in for the year at 3B, he didn’t see ANY time in the OF during spring training.
NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.
I can only hope that there’s something about Blake in the OF we don’t know, because if there isn’t, then it seems like a huge and stupid mistake not to have him ready to play there.
You know, I looked at Blake’s career splits by month yesterday. He seems to peak in April and June and fall off pretty dramatically from there. So might this support your theory that Marte is going to start seeing regular time in the early summer; i.e., the Indians figured they’d only need a few months of Casey Blake anyway? No? Grasping?
by fleerdon on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah they’re meaningless, but it’s kind of a cool thing to have our own “iron man.”
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, haters.
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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know. And that’s why Grady’s out… he’s not selfish. Just saying it’s cool to have guys that are that durable, but not to the point where it gets detrimental to the team (Ripken).
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, didn’t expect people to jump on me for an innocent statement about his games played streak. How would anyone know if the streak has affected his playing? He’s had rests here and there with occasional pinch-hit appearances. But seriously, who would know if/how that has affected his play?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Turk, stop being so goddam sensitive, that’s what I’ll jump on you for!
I am not jumping on you, I was asking a valid goddam question!
Ah, my bad. Don’t know why I’m being such a baby. Apologies all around.
Anyway, though, it would be difficult to tell if it had affected him. For a guy as young and healthy as Sizemore, I’d say no, but I’ve got nothing to really base that on. What’s your take on it?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My take is, we don’t really know.
April was his best month last season, especially in terms of power, and he lost a lot of power in September.
HR by month … 5, 4, 4, 5, 5, 1.
He stole 17 bases in April/May, 16 the rest of the way.
It doesn’t probably mean anything, but it’s enough to bug me a little.
Power numbers are pretty striking, but how much of the base stealing dropoff was Wedge being more conservative, though?
It’s funny, I’ve never really thought about how these consecutive games streaks can affect teams. I hadn’t heard until a couple of days ago that the consensus on Ripken was that he hurt the team quite a bit in his later years.
Also!
Did ya get my e-mail about Philly?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I did, I just have no idea what I’m doing.
I doubt Wedge had much to do with it, but again, it means nothing statistically, just an inference.
1st half :: 24 SB, 3 CS
2nd half :: 9 SB, 8 CS
Ouch at the CS numbers. Interesting. Do you know, in general with a guy like Sizemore, how often is it the player’s choice to steal and how often does the manager call for it?
As for Philly, no worries. Just drop me a line if you think you’d be up for it.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Pittsburgh released Matt Morris today and the ESPN headline was ‘Pirates make struggling vet Morris walk the plank’. Awesome.
Sigh. Can we for once call up a guy and just say, whatever, you’re playing. Just for fun, maybe? This seems pretty egregious to me. Michaels, in right field, against a right-handed sinkerballer, with a left-handed premium defender on the bench?
by fleerdon on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
In ‘08, Michaels has 56 PA. Not really how you want to use him.
by fleerdon on Apr 27, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda neat that we’re watchin three different broadcasts today.
by supermarioelia on Apr 27, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, spray on too much, and girls actually just sexually gratify themselves off your scent as opposed to hook up with you. It’s a fine line, obviously.
by fleerdon on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone think they’re playing Michaels a lot in the hope that he’ll make himself trade-able again? It hasn’t worked well, obviously, but it would at least be rational to try that (and would help me understand why he’s on the field today against Wang).
no…the potential value of anything we could get for Michaels wouldn’t make up for playing him now if the Indians truly think we’ve got a better internal option
what is going on
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
squeezed or just balls?
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta remember the ball leaves the pitchers hand at it’s maximum velocity and hits the catchers mitt at it’s lowest. Some radar guns read at the release point, some mid path, and some average speed. Gotta know which type a RG they’re usin”.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
hire dellucci
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
abacab’s walk rate: .84
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
really? i’m totally excited about it
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
subtract avg. from obp
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That is not walk rate.
Walk rate is (BB – IBB) / PA.
What you’re doing is sometimes called “isolated discipline,” but not often, because nobody ever uses it.
meh i simplified
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Simplified?
Your method: .84.
Real answer: .07.
Which, by the way? is nothing to be excited about. AbaCab needed 103 PA to get to his sixth walk last year. He got another 6 walks in his next 60 PA. He got another 5 walks in his next 23 PA, the last week of the season.
So he’s right where we might have expected him to be this year. It would be nice if he were getting better at this, but it doesn’t yet look like he has—but he’s still very young! Plenty of time for him to improve in this part of his game, as Grady did.
aka i lazified
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This from Webster’s
In standard English nonplussed means ‘surprised and confused’. A new meaning, ‘not disconcerted; unperturbed’, has developed recently in North American English, probably on the assumption that the prefix non- must have a negative meaning; this is not yet accepted as standard usage. — ORIGIN from Latin non plus ‘not more’.
So you sure you’re non-plussed?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
WALK HAFNER
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
what is that
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That usta be the first two letters of a nickname for a guy we usta have on the team.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
ahhh
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
victor should probably hit a home run
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
So’d anybody else read that article about Sheffiled? Apparently he’s getting multiple cortisone shots in both shoulders? It didn’t sound good.
Sheffield received cortisone shots in each of his shoulders after last weekend’s series in Toronto to alleviate pain, but the shot in the right shoulder, which he had surgically repaired last winter, had little effect. Sheffield had another shot in the right shoulder on Wednesday night, this time on the spot where his labrum tears occurred.
blah
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Ever look up something mundane on medical forums like, ways to identify and treat a spider bite, and find yourself 10 minutes later on a site full of pictures of victims of flesh-eating bacteria, and then want to go crawl into a vat of penicillin?
Good, because that certainly isn’t what just happened to me.
by fleerdon on Apr 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
hire marte
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
hire fucking marte
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
i still don’t care
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, not that it hasn’t been said before, but Manning and Donovan are really hard to listen to.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
CC has 27 K’s in 26 IP?
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
CG shutout would lower his ERA to 7.36.
Just to pick another random result, 2 ER in 7 IP would lower it to 8.42.
You’re right, it makes no difference, I just thought folks would be interested.
He will have to pitch a great game to move out of the worst ERA spot, with Gil Meche at 8.00.
Although it must be said, if you’re going to have an 8.00 ERA in your rotation, you definitely want the all-or-nothing guy rather than the always-crappy guy.
good inning
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
damn
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
there is something hilarious about michaels and dellucci hitting back to back
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
was that liner hit hard?
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
what happened i am at work
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
more descriptive on the ground out?
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
When will Hafner be benched?
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series
Grady >>> Hafner
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series
Everyone on this offense has been hit or miss and few have been consistent. It’s April. Give him time.
It’s April….for three more days. Give Hafner until when exactly? All-Star Break? August? I’m talking about benching him for a game or two. Not putting him on waivers.
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series
They’ll give him a few days off if he looks totally lost for a few days. But that’s to their eyes, not ours.
Long-term, what will push a persistently mediocre Hafner out of the everyday lineup is the desire to get another bat in there. Given our relative hitting mediocrity at big-power corner positions, it’s not happening anytime soon.
We’re not going to sit him to get BenFran’s bat in the lineup, or Dellucci, or Shoppach, or Jordan Brown, unless we see some big f’ing numbers out of someone like that. If a Kevin Kouzmanoff were raking in Buffalo right now, there’d be something to talk about.
Well of course it’s their decision, we’re not Eric Wedge or Mark Shapiro.
The question is if Hafner should be benched for a game or two. I’d bench him a game or two in favor of BenFran or Dellucci.
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series
Given the choices you gotta play Hafner. Only drop him to a slot or three – take the pressure off. He might snap outta this still, but ya gotta be smart about playing him.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
Hafner’s contract scares me. But to put it in context, A-Rod will make $7M more in 2009 and 2010 than Hafner will make in his entire 2009-2012 extension.
A-Rod’s playing for a team that’s worth almost $2B dollars and can afford a $200M annual payroll. Hafner doesn’t.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
Just picked the first big contract that came to my head.
OK. Carlos Lee it is…he’ll make $74M between 2009-2012, compared to Hafner’s $57M.
And the last year Carlos Lee posted a 900OPS? Never.
Chuck, does the Carlos Lee deal shed any light on why I might think the Hafner signing was a solid decision at the time?
It’s like, oh, no, now we won’t have the money to sign a Carlos Lee deal.
Cavs up about 10 after being down by 8 with 6 minutes to go in the half. Stevenson clocked LeBron in the face, got a flagrant 1, and then LeBron proceeded to hit a few threes and get a few dunks. You could just see his focus and intensity sky-rocket after the foul.
Indians on tv I can see + CC getting outs + Red Stripe + not doing work = one awesome afternoon.
Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.
by FaustosSinkingFastball on Apr 27, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
I like it, better than the 40 of PBR I had last weekend.
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by FaustosSinkingFastball on Apr 27, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Could anyone explain to me that swing?
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by FaustosSinkingFastball on Apr 27, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Today’s musical trivia – who originally recorded Oye Como Va?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
I’m sure someone else has already mentioned this…but i just want to point out how cool it is that I can watch 3 Indians games in a row here in DC.
Or Iowa City.
Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.
by FaustosSinkingFastball on Apr 27, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well… if it weren’t for the Yanks, I’m sure our local Fox affiliate would have shown a different game yesterday.
HA! I literally just said these exact words.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i support melky cabrera hitting solo shots off Indians pitchers because it reminds me of Fausto in Game 2 last year, with that sheepish grin on his face, after melky put one out
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
there was an ad on STO promoting roger brown’s new column on the STO website. roger brown used to write a bad column for the PD arts page about local radio and tv. then he got moved to the sports page where he wrote a bad sports column 3 times a week. then he finally got canned. apparently STO thinks he is worth writing checks to
Back on 65th and Fleet you weren’t allowed to registered to vote unless you could prove you’d slugged at least one Cleveland Police.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
Indeed. If the Indians won this game without scoring a run, I believe they’d be the first team in history to do that.
The Tigers won the second game of a doubleheader in Comiskey Park, July 12, 1979, without scoring a run.
Whoa, I never heard about this.
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by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
forfeit? disco night?
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
TBS is blacked out so I can only watch it on Channel 3. How’s their broadcast?
Winning Formula: Long fly ball... Deep ______ Field... Awaaaayyyy back! Gone!
by Justin Higgins on Apr 27, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dellucci hitting .280… getting walks… stealing….
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he is definitely been less of a delucc-bag as of late
by jhonnyjhumpup on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
im sick of hearing cc saying all the time that he wants to stay in cleveland. i just dont get it
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
new hats look so tight – almost went to lids yesterday to pick one up
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
thank god ARod is up
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
I was wondering that earlier. Indians logo?
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 27, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
told you
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
but not in the too-pumped way
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
espn gamecast has that ball 1 firmly inside the zone
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
OK, let’s work the count and get into that bullpen
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
Pronk continues to be about a year and half overdue
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Saddest words in the English language: Hafner grounded out to second
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
I just want to say, C.C. is pitching a great f’ing game here, and there is no excuse for the lineup to pile up a bunch of K’s for Wang. All angles considered from this moment on, we ought to win this game.
Amen. LET’S GO TRIBE!!!
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 27, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
if brick shows up we win
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
fact = grady will pinch hit this game
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