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Game Twenty-Six: Yankees 5, Indians 2

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Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Casey Blake .116 Jamey Carroll -.176
Franklin Gutierrez .101 Ryan Garko -.136
Jason Michaels .084 Aaron Laffey -.134

 

It all changed so quickly in the sixth inning. Aaron Laffey entered the sixth working on a no-hitter, and pitching very confidently in his 2008 debut. He was working both sides of the plate, breaking bats, inducing weak dribblers, and in general being unpredictable.

So what changed in the sixth? Did he suddenly get wild, or start thinking too much? Not really. The inning started with two, for lack of a better word, lucky hits. Then Bobby Abreu got the only solid hit of the inning, a line drive single. After that it was only a matter of putting the ball in play. Laffey couldn't finish the inning despite pitching fairly well, if that can be said of a four-run inning.

When playing the Yankees, and especially when facing the back end of their rotation, one has to take advantage of the starter and the middle relief, because the game essentially ends if they have lead after the seventh inning. And the Indians had opportunities all game long...until the eighth inning.

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Agree with Jay – yeah, Laffey got roughed up late, but all in all it was a pretty impressive showing. Definitely a jolt of confidence for a while after losing Jake.

Man…those bats are killing me.

by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 7:41 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

You mean Ryan.

I don’t think he got roughed up, except perhaps by the gods, certainly not by the Yankees. He gave up just one real hit, and it wasn’t even an impressive one—how is that “roughed up?” That, one HBP, and four groundballs. It takes exceptionally bad luck to turn that into four runs.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah… I mean Ryan. I read “Ryan”, thought “Jake”, and came out with “Jay”. Sorry Ryan. :)

You’re right about his luck last night – it was awful, both in terms of those two “hits” and those pesky bats of his teammates. Like I said, he pitched well. I was impressed.

by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The bats are killing more than you – only 5 out of the 12 players getting semi-regular at bats have on ops over .700 – only 2 over .800. Obviously that has to improve at some point, but the lineup is very weak. Of course the elephant in the room is part donkey.

by mcrose on Apr 29, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mussina is always the same. He is going to give up a big inning, it’s up to your hitters to determine just how big that inning will be. I feel we really let him off the hook in that 5th inning and should have put up a 4 or 5 spot.

by Toxicadam on Apr 29, 2008 9:06 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Yes. Carroll’s soft liner really hurt; it gave them that first out and allowed Mussina to limit the damage. If Laffey had managed to get Rodriguez, instead of hitting him, it would have created a similar situation. The grounders that followed would have produced one run and they’d be out of the inning. We made a mistake and it cost us. They didn’t make a mistake and won the game.

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 9:15 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Laffey pitched great. Adam Miller pitched pretty well again for Buffalo, making it 2 starts now w/o an earned run. We have what’s most difficult to obtain – effective starting pitching, 7 or 8 deep.

But we’re underperforming at every offensive position except catcher. If this keeps up into summer and nobody’s run away with the division, you have to thinking about trading arms for bats. You could argue that we’re gonna lose CC and Byrd and can’t afford it for next year – not it you trade one or both, tho.

by mcrose on Apr 29, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Laffey did look good, and Sowers wasn’t bad in his start. Miller threw 88 pitches in 4 innings (only 2 walks). Doesn’t sound like he’s quite there yet, but a promising beginning.

I still can’t see trading one of the top 8. If Byrd and CC leave (which is likely), you’re down to 6, and we saw this week how easily you can need to have a sixth or seventh starter ready to go. And, would ONE bat do it? Unless at least some of the bats on the team now wake up, it probably would be pointless (although I suppose you could argue that a good hitter might serve as a catalyst).

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Not that I’m advocating trading for a bat right now. But yeah one improved bat will be an improvement. That improvement doesn’t just get sucked up into oblivion because the rest of the team sucks. A few extra runs here and there and we’d have a few more wins right now.

by hans on Apr 29, 2008 11:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

1st- that’s why dealing Byrd or Sabathia hurts a little less, we aren’t counting on them next year anyway.
Next- this is why I’m so disappointed to lose Smith. I think he could have been a legit 6 or 7 guy keeping our depth if some combo of Laffey, Sowers, and Miller was in the rotation.
Third- Yes, one bat would do “it”. I guess it depends on what “it” means to you. But an offensive upgrade at LF, RF, 3B, 1B, or DH would really help us win games, and that is the point, right?
Finally- Laffey didn’t look good last night. He looked great. I was very very impressed.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 29, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Trade for Bay…

by Tribe Alive on Apr 29, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

to clarify, I’m not advocating a trade right now, but agreeing with mcrose that if hitting remains our glaring weakness and the division is in question into the summer, we really need to consider making a move.

by DaytonDogg on Apr 29, 2008 11:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I absolutely agree that hitting is our weakness (although I’m still not completely sold on the bullpen) and I’d love to see them do something to improve it. I just am a little skeptical that one move will do the trick and I’m pretty sure that they’re in big trouble if the guys they have continue to hit as poorly as they have.

If the proposal is to trade Byrd or Sabathia (who are likely to be gone anyway), then I see the logic, but I’m not sure how that will work out. I don’t think you’ll get much for Byrd (who is an aging 5th starter at this point). Sabathia will get you a lot, but you have to wonder what effect trading him would have on the psyche of the team. Let’s say we’re actually in a pennant race (or at least in contention) and we turn around and trade one of our best pitchers—even if you get a really good bat in return, it kind of looks like you’re cutting bait. In a way, it would almost be tactically better to trade him soon (i.e., in the next month (not that I’m advocating that), since it would look less as if you’re giving up and more like you’re trying to shake up the team and restructure it for a run this year.

I can’t see trading one of the young guys, unless the Indians really don’t think they’re going to pan out as major league starters.

Another way to approach this would be to consider if there are other players in our system who could be packaged in exchange for a major league hitter. If they did acquire a corner outfielder, for example, would Choo and/or Francisco be expendable? If Cabrera works out (and I think he will), and they’re committed to keeping Peralta at short, could they get anything for Barfield (in a package, of course) who wouldn’t really have a spot to shoot for. There’s also Marte, who they don’t want to play but don’t want to lose (I really can’t figure out what they’re doing with him other than treating him like a Rule 5 pick!). It might be that none of these guys would command much, but that’s the direction I’d prefer to go.

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Don’t underestimate how attractive Byrd could be to a team that really doesn’t have a decent 5th starter or possibly even a 4th.

The opportunity would be to package him with some combination of lower-level prospects and taking on a salary dump.

by Jay on Apr 29, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’d go for that, if you’re right. I think Laffey or Sowers could probably take his spot; there might be some rocky moments, since they’re both very young pitchers, but I think they could risk losing Byrd (plus prospects and $) if they could turn it into a guy who could hit.

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You know, another interesting question, assuming that we could trade for a bat without giving up one of the Buffalo trio, is do you go for a short-term rental or try to get someone who would stick around for a while. And, what position? If it’s 1B or DH, they’ve made a statement about Garko or Hafner - I don’t think that’s what they’d do, to be honest. Corner outfield is the most likely position, I think, especially if it’s a “rental”, since it would only delay but not derail Gutierrez’ development. 3B is tough - hard to find someone who’s available and you already have Marte collecting dust in the corner.

Another scenario no one has discussed lately is trading Shoppach. I like him, and they don’t have a great alternative as back up, but he’d bring a fair amount in return, I suspect. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they’ve been getting calls about him (even from the Yankees!)

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What about packaging Byrd and Garko then? You can slide Vic/Blake over to first, have Shoppach catch more often and then probably solve LF or RF with the decent piece they get back?

Not sure if there are any LF/RF that fit that mold though.

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, but that would require them actually to play Marte! And, it would reduce the ‘good guy” quotient of the team!

I’d have no real problem with letting either of those guys go in a trade for a big bat. Garko has to start to hit, though, to make this work, and if he does, does it make sense to trade him (since that, in itself, would really help the team’s offense).

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

John and I were tossing around some “out there” ideas the other day. What do you think it would take to pry someone like Dan Uggla away from the Marlins? Do we have the pieces?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’m curious why you want Uggla. He’s a pretty good player, and would add some power. But, he doesn’t look to me like an on-base machine at all (not bad, not great), plus he plays 2B, where they have two (Cabrera, Barfield) young guys for whom they have high hopes. I guess you could “rent” Uggla for a year (and give the young guys a chance to improve at Buffalo), but if you’re doing a rental, you could probably get someone less “expensive” —Uggla’s the kind of guy a team might see as a core player, so the Marlins would probably ask a lot to get him.

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Uggla has been remarkably consistent for 2+ years, so I’d say that at age 28, you know is ceiling. Which is an OPS of 800—very nice for a 2B. But it’s not world-beater kind of stuff, and he’s nice and cheap, which is what Florida needs.

Couple of things on Uggla…

Anyone know, off-hand, the average OPS adjustment when a player switches NL to AL?

Also! With our luck, we’d get a guy who hasn’t shown any signs of being better than a .340 OBPer, and he’d stop walking. He’s not walking a ton now, but enough to provide an effective OBP.

by tabler84 on Apr 29, 2008 6:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Uggla at the end of 2008 will have 3 years exactly of service time. He was a Rule 5 pick from Arizona, and has been productive. I am pretty sure he qualifies for arbitration next spring, so he will not be cheap going forward. A 2B with his numbers, will probably garner $5+ next season in arbitration.

He is not a cheap solution for us except for this season only.

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The idea was that none of that stuff matters at this moment. A lack of power is-in my view-the Indians’ biggest shortcoming. Since we’re not going to find an Albert Belle to play in LF, and we’ve got to add slugging somewhere, my thinking was that an upgrade at 2B would balance the power in the lineup most effectively. Asdrubal would return to AAA for this season. I do not see a reason to even consider Barfield.

Consider a trade of Uggla in the offseason, or consider Peralta alternatives if Cabrera is thought of as the SS in ‘09.

The Marlins are seemingly always selling—even their youngish guys. Hanley Ramirez and their young pitchers are their “core”. I wouldn’t believe that Uggla looked at in that way, because as Dean points out, he won’t be so cheap much longer.

But, this is all make-believe. We’ll know who’s buying and selling-and more about who’s available and what we’ve got-in a couple months. But can we wait? Power! More power! I want more Doubles! More Home Runs! No more Bunts!

by jhon on Apr 29, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Byrd trade situation would be to a salary dumping team and that opp improves as smaller market teams give up the chase for the year. Patience is key there. The CC trade situation differs in that we’d be negotiating with a large market team. Most likely the Yankees. I can’t imagine who we’d accept from them mid year. If you agree, then perhaps we’d need to construct a 3 way trade to acquire affordable corner power hitting for CC. I wouldn’t want to waste potentially career years by Lee, Fausto and Westbrook because we lacked offense and insisted that CC had to be there too. Not when we have such talent as Sowers, Laffey and Miller waiting in the wings. And if we panic too early and our hitting is so good that we didnt need more hitting, well, CC aint comin back in 09 anyway and whatever we get for him is coming back.

by elsandito on Apr 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I really can’t imagine trading CC to the Yankees (or really anyone in the AL). He might sign as a free agent with one of those teams, but Shapiro would have to live with the fallout from a trade like that. I think it’s instructive that Santana went to an NL team. And, I don’t think they’re really thinking about trading CC to improve the hitting—I think they might do something if they fall out of the race, though, as many people have said.

If Jay’s right, Byrd would be attractive to a team that has weak pitching. I can’t see why a really bad team would want him—how many more years does he have in his arm? A team that’s in the race and needs to shore up its pitching (let’s say, as a possibility, the Cardinals) might want him. I guess you’re suggesting a team might want him, a la the NBA, so they can lose his salary at the end of the year (plus the salary of the player they dump on the Indians). But, they’ll want prospects too, so Byrd might not even be a necessary part of a deal like that.

by peter m on Apr 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I see your logic concerning the salary dumpee, however, that same team can turn around and trade Byrd to a team like the Cards for prospects.

by elsandito on Apr 29, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I live in pittsburgh now (unfortunately) so i don’t get many tribe games on TV. i know i can get the MLB.com thing but i actually enjoy listening to hammy out of youngstown for the most part and treat it like a nice surprise when they are on nationally.

i will leave the strength of the tribe’s pitching and the weakness of their bats alone for now. what i did, once again, notice this weekend with three national games is how bad of a defensive shortstop jeter is. maybe he just had a bad couple of games but it seemed like he either mishandled or misthrew every opportunity. not to mention the play that got wedge tossed. what a call that was.

watching him play makes me hate everything that is involved with the gold glove award.

by fivekmd on Apr 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Thank god for things like Yankee stubborness.. Jeter will likely play out his career at SS for the Yanks and continue to just get worse and worse defensively. This also reminds me that they Posada is down with what looks like a torn rotator cuff and isn’t getting younger (and for a catcher he’s like 60 years old or something), He’s not coming back to catch any time soon, and injuries like this are likely to start popping up on a guy his age at a position that demanding. But, they’ll probably hold onto him until he retires as well.

by hans on Apr 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

not to mention, Posada just re-upped for 4 years, $52M this past offseason. If he can’t throw, he can’t catch, so he’ll have to be a DH/1B if/when he returns. Let’s say he doesn’t make it back until next year. He could probably play 1B since I doubt the Yankees pick up the $22M club option on Giambi, not to mention Abreu is a FA this offseason. And MAtsui probably becomes the full time DH next season.

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

$52 million over 4 years? Is that all? The Yankees throw $13 million per year away every year on team snacks. Even if Posada’s arm falls off, they won’t necessarily miss him or the money.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

While normally I would concur with you, the Yankees really have no option at C in their minor league system. Losing Posada as a full time catcher will really hurt them, not only because he now has to play 1B and/or DH, but his ability to ctahc the that pitching staff has been a pretty valuable tool over the years.

The money is no issue, but losing Posada hurts the Yankees, bigtime.

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not having anyone in the farm system is no biggie for the Yankees. They’ll just go buy a catcher on the free agent market. If they have to overpay, it’s no big whoop. Next year’s free agent catchers, according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts:

Catchers
Rod Barajas TOR
Henry Blanco * CHC
Johnny Estrada MIL
Toby Hall * CWS
Adam Melhuse TEX
Mike Redmond * MIN
Ivan Rodriguez DET
David Ross * CIN
Javier Valentin CIN
Jason Varitek BOS
Vance Wilson DET
Gregg Zaun * TOR

*denotes option

I could see them overpaying for a guy like Barajas, or maybe even overpaying for Pudge, even though it’s clear that Pudge has very little left in the tank.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Paying anything for a guy like Barajas is overpaying. They’d do just as well to keep running Jose Molina out there every day for all the value most of those guys have.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Apr 29, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Only guy on that list that would intrigue the Yankess as a FA is Varitek. And as a Red Sox captain, if he switched over to the darker side, he’d catch more flak than Damon ever did.

Some of those guys are good defensively, most can’t hit that well.

I will again reiterate that if, a big if, Posada does not come back as a catcher, that Yankees pitching staff will really struggle, especially the Hughes/Kennedy young guys (Joba is not a concern in my eyes, his stuff is too good).

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh hell, just go buy Russell Martin and Brian McCann.

by odradek on Apr 29, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The call that got Wedge tossed was not really Jeter’s fault. Jeter tossed it to Cano, who lost the handle on it. The ump just couldn’t see it. As bad as Jeter has looked recently (and over the years), i don’t think that bobble was actually because of a bad throw by Jeter. Cano just messed it up.

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I would have to respectfully disagree. I may have to watch the play again, but i swear jeter bounced it in there. now, i’ll grant you that cano, as a big league second bagger, should be able to make that scoop. but if jeter hits him in the chest it goes from a nice scoop by cano to a routine play.

by fivekmd on Apr 29, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don’t remember Jeter bouncing it, but I didn’t DVR the game, so I don’t know. All I recall is that Cano was on the bag, the ball hit him near his glove, and it rolled up his arm. It could have been the throw, but Cano didn’t look like he had to stretch or bend awkwardly from my recollection. Maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

by talonk on Apr 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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