Game Twenty-Seven: Mariners 7, Indians 2
by Ryan on Apr 30, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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| Highest WPA | Lowest WPA | ||
| Grady Sizemore | .230 | Rafael Betancourt | -.461 |
| David Dellucci | .230 | Jhonny Peralta | -.288 |
| Fausto Carmona | .117 | Andy Marte | -.126 |
The Indians have been impersonating an NL team for a couple weeks now: bunting early and often, relying on one or two guys to actually hit for power, and praying that the pitching staff gives them a chance to win scoring two or three runs. We can discuss how Rafael Betancourt blew the game in the ninth, but the root cause of this stinking morass of an April starts and ends with the offense. The power isn't there (12th in AL SLG), and the on-base is below average (8th). No regular is slugging over .500, and only three regulars have an OBP over .350. This plodding lineup is currently hitting like light-hitting smallballers, obviously not a good combination.
As to tonight's game, Fausto Carmona didn't pitch that well, but his stuff is such that even when he's not throwing strikes he can get outs by virtue of the movement on his pitches. He's walked, including tonight, 26 in just over 34 innings. How he's only given up 12 runs in those innings is testament to both stuff and luck. And while his stuff should remain consistent, luck won't; allowing that many baserunners, even considering his ability to induce the double play, will eventually catch up to him.
I guess one of the positives of tonight's game was that we got to see Andy Marte again. It took Ryan Garko going into a major slump to get him a start, though. Counting tonight, he's made 16 plate appearances in 27 team games, which is not doing any interested party any good. Andy doesn't get regular at-bats, he obviously can't go down to AAA (not that that would accomplish anything anyway), so he's in an overwhelmingly difficult position. The front office isn't going to learn anything one way or the other, which will put them in a quandry when they have to make a decision about third base in the offseason.
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I’m going to put in my vote for David Dellucci as the positive offensive surprise of the early going. I like him in the 2 hole and his .871 OPS looks very Dellucci-like. It’s good to see him producing the way we thought he would when he was signed.
How’s that for finding a silver lining in the awfulness that is our offense?
I'd just like to say . . .
Booo . . . Booooooooooo!!
Boring!!
Sorry . . . I needed a little ballpark catharsis . . . feel free to join in . . . booooooooo.
Absolutely right about Marte—he needs to play regularly so they can find out if he’s a legitimate 3rd baseman with power (as they’d hoped). They’re not going to learn that playing him once every ten days (usually against a tough right-handed pitcher).
Following up on that, I think Franklin Gutierrez’ season thus far is instructive. He’s looked awful at times, and has not been very selective, but he has begun to hit with greater consistency in the last week or so, illustrating that sometimes it pays to stick with a young player and give him a chance to show what he can do. Give Marte regular AB’s for a few weeks and see what happens. At worst, it would clear a roster spot if he stinks it up.
In the end, though, the problem is in the middle of the line-up. Everyone’s on Hafner, correctly, but it’s also Garko, and Peralta (despite some good stretches), and Victor’s power outage. Take the Yankees and have Abreu, Rodriguez, Matsui and Giambi hit poorly with almost no power numbers and you have a bad offensive team, no matter what Cano, Jeter, Damon and Cabrera do. I honestly don’t know what the Indians can do to jump start their key hitters—maybe it’ll just take a good game from one of them to awaken the others (Peralta’s good game against the Yankees didn’t do it, though). I suggested flipping Martinez and Hafner in the order, but Jay’s probably right that that just exposes Hafner even more. Still, if Martinez got the chance to hit with Dellucci and Sizemore on base and no one out, it might produce an extra run or two. I think they have to try something pretty soon, because this is starting to become a pattern (I know, small sample size, but the sample is growing larger).
I still like their pitching, though, so not all is lost.
I wonder if victors hamstring (that was what he injured the first game of the season…right?) is limited his power.
Not a terrible outing for Fausto, but I’m still very concerned about that 1:2 K:BB ratio. Also, a lot of fingers are being pointed at people in the lineup, but no one has really mentioned Sizemore’s power drought. What’s going on there?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
Grady’s OBP is actually above his career average, so he’s been doing a good job of getting on base (I was worried about his walk rate early on, but that’s gotten much better). He had a couple of doubles last night, as I recall, so I think he’ll be fine. I hope the same thing is true for Victor (who also has basically hit pretty well, but with not much power). That hamstring may be the problem there, as was pointed out earlier.
Off-topic, but the shine has really come off that Cueto kid. 7.48 ERA and batters hitting .295 against him in the past 4 games.
The struggles of all these young pitchers should really make you appreciate guys that perform well at the big league level. With the inflated numbers you see in video games and fantasy baseball .. we begin to have unreal expectations of players on our favorite teams
Something just occurred to me. Is witnessing the disappearance of one Mr. Travis “Pronk” Hafner the first traditionally “Cleveland” thing I’ve seen with this franchise? If so, this is certainly a rite of passage for me. (refresher for those who don’t remember: I outed myself as a 19-year old earlier)
Chuck Nagy went down with a thud. Other than that, and that’s not really close – you’re right. Hafner’s probably the most precipitous drop in the last 20 years. Oh yeah, Charboneau, but he never really approached Pronk’s numbers. Nope ya got me. Hafner’s fall has been Biblical.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
I am referring to the stereotypical whining a Clevelander does about how all the sports teams suck and always have the worst things happen to them.
When it’s the truth, it’s not whining. Generally, bad, fluky things have happened to Cleveland teams to keep them from winning the big ones.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say both the last-week-of-2005 collapse and losing three straight clinching games in the ALCS both qualify as classic Cleveland sports disasters. Hell, they both might make the top 10.
I guess you’re not counting stuff from before your teens?
Everyone knew that barring injury, this is how it was going to play out for Marte in April. Marte will only play if Garko, Blake or Hafner gets hurt. Why the hand wringing? He will stick around possibly all season in this role.
I guess the hand wringing is about the fact that we don’t know what we have in him—is he a stiff with a bad attitude or is he a good third baseman with power? They’re not going to find out by playing him as little and as inconsistently as they have. Since he’s been touted as the future at that position, I for one would like to see him play a bit, especially since the team isn’t hitting much anyway. At least that way they’ll know whether they need to make a deal for another third baseman in the near future.
I think we need to decide who we like more, Barfield or Marte. If we like Barfield better, then we should play a permanent shift with no 3B and either 2 2B (AstroCab and Barfield) or 2 SS (Peralta and AstroCab). Then no one has to change positions and we don’t need to trade for another 3B.
Problem solved!
I didn’t know it. I had read somewhere that the Indians would try to get Marte some 400 AB this season, which suggests at least 2-3 starts per week plus occasional pinch-hitting. He’s about 44 AB behind that pace so far, and I wasn’t expecting many of his AB to be at Garko or Victor’s expense (with Blake playing 1B), but rather Blake, Michaels and occasionally Gutierrez.
Well, at this point, Blake has 24 starts, Gutierrez has 23, Michaels has 15, and Marte has 4. That is not the distribution I was expecting, and it’s not like Michaels was hitting at all or Blake was looking good in the field, and Gutierrez really struggled for a couple weeks, too.
I didn’t notice that the Indians weren’t playing Blake in the outfield in Spring Training, or I might have realized that they weren’t thinking of Blake as an outfield option. That puzzling decision, more than anything, makes it “hard to get Marte at bats,” as only a protracted struggle from Blake or Garko - both of whom are given immense slack based on their intangibles - can open up playing time.
Are you sure you read about the promised 400 at-bats or was that just wishful thinking on our (LGT’s) part? Not trying to being snarky, just wondering if you were thinking of a particular article you read.
And you know I’m not a huge marte fan, but even I think it’s a damn shame the way they’ve screwed him so far this year. Especially the way we’re “hitting.”
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 30, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming into this season, isn’t it reasonable to expect that Marte and Blake would perform roughly equally, if both received 550 PAs this season? Furthermore, isn’t it also true that Marte’s eventual ceiling is significantly higher than Blake’s, who is a known quantity and in an age-induced decline?
Or how about this: Has anyone asked Wedge this very question?
surely not any media types i’ll tell you that.
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 30, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What gets to me is that Marte has been singled out as undeserving of playing time.
Carroll and Shoppach have each gotten 9 starts to Marte’s 4, and again, Michaels with 15. Some of this is attributed to injuries, but most of it is just always playing the guys Marte is backing up rather than Marte, in contrast to the way Carroll has been treated. The players Carroll is backing up (2B-SS) are no better and have been no better than the ones Marte is backing up (1B-3B), and obviously Shoppach understudies for the best player of the bunch.
I think the failure to get Marte in the field definitely stands out both against expectations and against the way Wedge is treating the rest of his bench.
You can chalk up most of Shoppach’s starts to Victor’s hamstring injury, though. Without that he’d probably be looking at 5 starts or so, which is about what I would expect out of him at this point. Your greater point still stands, though—I would much rather see Marte out there than Carroll, since we definitely know what we have with the 30-something year old career utility infielder vs. the 24 year old prospect.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
Carroll got several starts to give Peralta and especially Cabrera time to regroup and get themselves straightened out after a rough stretch. Wedge never seems to do that for Blake, who has even longer stretches of unproductiveness than anyone on the team it seems. I agree with you entirely—totally mystifying behavior by Wedge. It was amazing that Marte didn’t play either game of the double-header in KC.
Marte started the second game. He went 0 for 2 with, yes, a sacrifice bunt.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 30, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I would be very happy to not see anymore starts from Carroll or Michaels. But Carroll, Shoppach, and Michaels do things that Marte cannot that will get them more starts. Namely Carroll can play anywhere in the infield; Shoppach is a backup catcher and catching is very taxing; and Michaels can play all 3 outfield positions (one of which is a platoon, one is a young guy who gets days off, and one is a regular who was injured). Marte can play 3B. That is it. Also, everyday Marte plays 3rd it means Blake or Garko is benched (and Garko is benched not because Marte can play 1st, but that Blake can).
Well maybe Marte makes up for his lack of versatility with his lack of hitting. (This is a joke, I am not that down on Marte.) Marte could force his way into the liineup with some good games (ala Asdrubal last year), but he cannot seem to do this.
But really, it all comes down to Wedge, and he showed no propensity to play him before this year, why would he start playing him now? It will really take an injury, or continuous suck from Garko or Blake. Garko was doing great this year before he decided to hit pop-ups every time out.
Totally agree.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 30, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I think I remember a reference to Delucci’s getting 400 AB, but I don’t remember any such assurance about Marte.
by ken from alexandria on Apr 30, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I did read it somewhere, though it may have been 350-400 or 300 or something like that. I believe the source was one of the Baseball America writers.
I remember the same thing in the off-season, with those hopes crashing down with this article from the Official Site.
Once I saw that, I knew that 400 AB was a pipe dream.
by The DiaTriber on Apr 30, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the projections were based on the Indians actually hitting the ball and being a winning ball team. All of those plans go out the window when 2/3 of your lineup is severely underperforming.
Much easier to slip Marte in the lineup when you are winning series and your big guys are performing well.
“Losing” something would infer that you actually possessed something in the first place. When was Marte ever promised or granted anything? Was it owed him because of his horrible condition that he came into Fall ball with? Was it the horrible numbers he posted? Was it the lackluster Spring Training stats?
So, this idea that Marte was promised anything is merely fantasy among people who want their previous projections to have a chance to prove true.
Who cares what Marte was promised? The argument is much more focused on what Marte ought to be getting, which is a chance to play. That argument is bolstered by the rather predictably weak performance from those in front of him.
If someone can dig up a FO or Wedge quote indicating that Marte would likely get several hundred at bats, all the better. But in the end, you ought to understand that Jay didn’t mean “lose” to have the meaning you’re ascribing it. Arguing about semantics is silly.
“Ought to be getting” is purely speculative.
What alternate universe is it where the Indians play a young guy not hitting his weight in 08, underperforms in ALL of 07 (including Fall) and doesn’t fare so well in spring training over a veteran making 6 million dollars and performing to about his career average?
Look, you can argue the validity of that line of thinking .. but you know as well as I which way the wind blows in Cleveland. Franky G had to put up insane numbers before he began to take away Trot’s playing time.
So get back to me when Marte is actually performing better at the plate or in the field than Blake.
Right, so the argument goes like this, then:
When Marte gets three or four starts in a row, he has to go crazy, tear the cover off the ball, and then we’ll get back to you. But only then, because otherwise he will have no shot.
This is 100% false.
Franky G. has never put up “insane numbers” anywhere beyond A-ball, nor has Garko for that matter. AbaCab did well in Double-A but certainly did not earn a major-league starting job. They “found a way” only by being the best available option when a massive hole in the lineup presented itself.
Look, I like Casey plenty, but he was an average everyday player at best in 2007, and well below average in the second half, and well below average right now. There’s nothing crazy about thinking Marte should have something more than 10% of the playing time.
I think you need to take a longer look at Casey Blake. Marte can do as good as Casey Blake offensively and better than Casey Blake defensively this season. Casey Blake offers two things at this point, and its P/PA and ability to field multiple positions. He takes a lot of pitches, the Indians as a team are second in the AL in P/PA and part of the philosophy is to work the counts and get to the middle relief of the other team early through high pitch counts. Blake does this as good as any of the other players. He can play 1st base and probably RF in a pinch (ironically RF is probably the best spot for him defensively) But beyond that, I don’t see anything he can do better than Marte, nor any reason to be giving those at-bats to Blake over Marte while Marte is litterally losing a full year of development sitting on the bench, damn maybe thats the new philosophy of the Indians with prospects that struggle at first, ruin them so that no one will be able to use them.
Marte can do as good as Casey Blake offensively and better than Casey Blake defensively this season
But there is the rub … he has done NOTHING to indicate that this statement is true. Not just in 08 .. but ALL of 07 (minor leagues, spring training and fall ball included). There is NOTHING to hang your hat on .. the guy has big gaping holes in his swing and his easily fooled on breaking pitches away. He is a credible defender at 3b .. but not a guy that is definitively better than Blake. In the end, he shows no signs of IMPROVING or adapting.. which would indicate a guy that may be a bit dull on the edges or one that doesn’t want to put in the extra work.
Look, we have to be honest here. We are not San Diego .. we are not going to let a guy hit sub-200 for 2 1/2 months of the season while he is figuring it out. It maybe something we let happen in 02-04 .. but not now. This is a “win now” scenerio we are dealing with.
On a personal note, I want Marte to be in there more too .. but until he shows something ,,, it’s completely logical to keep him on the bench until our situation changes (either injury forces him in .. or the season takes a turn for the worse/better).
The thing is, though, that this is a guy we traded for (giving up someone who was a legitimate, although not great, major league player) to be the 3rd baseman of the future. Now he sits on the bench, unable to improve. If he is the future, let’s find out and let him develop. If not, let’s find out and drop him. My worry is that we’ll arrive at the end of this year having carried a 25th guy who almost never plays having learned virtually nothing about him for the future. That would be a shame.
Peter,
I think there are more options than you realize. He might not be “the 3rd baseman of the future,” but he might also be only as good as Casey Blake. And of course, if that were the case, we’d have a very cheap option that can offer equivalent production. No one thinks Casey Blake is the third sacker of the future, and yet he makes several million and plays every day.
It’s not superstar or bust with this guy. There’s a lot of room in between, and that’s probably where Marte is. And that’s also probably not a terrible thing for a club with our payroll.
You’re touching on another common misconception in all of this. People act like the Indians chose to keep Blake, chose to keep Marte. In reality, they had to keep both.
The Indians have zero depth at 3B in the upper minors - and don’t even start with the Double-A prospects, that’s a conversation for 2009 or 2010. They had to keep Marte, because losing him would be stupid - he could still be a great asset for several years. But they also had to keep Blake, because they couldn’t go into the season with Marte as their only 3B option. Marte could get injured, Marte could suck, so you need to have a better option than Jamey Carroll, someone who might go a month without hitting a home run.
So they’ve got both guys, as they should. And the problem is that Blake is not really earning his keep if his versatility isn’t being leveraged—and it isn’t. We got Michaels out there being Michaels, when Blake could be out there being Blake to more or less the same effect, both at the plate and in the field. Blake could be getting two starts a week at 3B, two in LF, and one in RF or 1B, while Marte and Dellucci get five starts a week at their positions.
With Blake in that role, the bulk of the work is being spread around our best players, and Blake is still available to become the full-time 3B or 1B if that becomes a problem. And that is the best reason to have kept Blake: To provide short-term flexibility at those corner positions, and to have more than one long-term option on the 40-man for 3B.
That’s the good reason to keep him, even to keep him starting five days a week. But keeping him shouldn’t mean keeping Marte on the shelf.
I swear, people, Marte really did used to have this job.
You may be wondering, why all the emphasis on having two viable everyday options for 3B? It isn’t really an emphasis, it’s just that without Blake, we still have multiple everday options for every other position on the diamond:
LF/RF - Francisco
CF - Gutierrez, with Francisco sliding into RF
C - Shoppach, with Haad/Toregas/Gimenez sliding into backup
1B - Victor, with Shoppach sliding into C
2B - Carroll, with Barfield sliding into the backup role
SS - AbaCab, with Carroll sliding into 2B and Barfield into backup
So you can see, we would still have a reasonable starting lineup in the event of a major injury at literally any position other than 3B … unless we have both Blake and Marte on the roster.
I’m sorry, but “until he shows something” is just stupid talk.
Marte’s track record in the minors is better than Garko’s or AbaCab’s.
Only Blake’s presence, and the refusal to use him in the outfield, has kept Marte from getting an equal opportunity to other young players.
And here’s the rub: Blake isn’t good.
"Losing" something would infer that you actually possessed something in the first place. When was Marte ever promised or granted anything?
Marte was named the starting 3B a year ago. He went on the DL a few weeks later and was never given a chance to reclaim the job.
I defy you to come up with two other players who lost their starting job to the DL like that, coming back just a few weeks later and staying perfectly healthy for the next year. And when you come up with them, you’ll find that the player who took their jobs were a hell of a lot more impressive than Casey Blake.
Was it the lackluster Spring Training stats?
Not that I would ever put too much stock in this, but Marte led the team with 4 home runs.
What exactly prevented him from coming back? Oh yea, it was the fact that Casey Blake was carrying the team on his back through much of May and part of July. Solidifying our lineup in the two hole and a 28 game hitting streak to boot.
Seems like a good justification to lose your job over. Let’s not gloss over the facts, Jay.
Then, out of all the examples of underperforming (and showing up to Fall ball out of shape, to boot) you pluck out one stat from 2008 spring training. If that is something to hang your hat on, than Ben Francisco should be our #4 hitter/DH because of the type of Spring he put together.
You get May, because he posted a .971 OPS that month, which very likely is the greatest month of his entire career.
June, July: .741, .766.
So, let’s not gloss over the facts.
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 30, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I misspoke when I said July .. I was referring to the carryover he had into June, during the streak.
For the first 3 weeks in June, he posted a .292 average and .814 OPS.
So for 7 straight weeks he was one of our top batters (a period where the team really established itself as a top team in the AL) ... and Marte was supposed to displace him?!
Unbelievable revisionism.
Dude … you’ve got some balls.
If you’re going to start throwing around words like “revisionism,” you really need to have your facts straight.
And dude, you do not have your facts straight. Kind of reminds me of when a certain banned user carried on for a full month about Alex Cora blocking Jhonny Peralta.
But let me get right to the point.
Marte was put on the DL on April 23, at which point Blake had an OPS of 616—but hell, it was only 16 games into the season (because of the snow-outs), so it was too early to be freaked about that.
Anyway, Marte went on the DL on April 23 and returned on May 19. Between those dates, Blake had an OPS of 815.
That’s right, 815. Go look it up. Not 971, not 848 or whatever - and the hitting streak had not even started at that point. It was 815 - and this while hitting into all kinds of good luck (.361 BABIP) and striking out in more than 20% of his trips to the plate. There actually was little excuse for not giving Marte his old job back right then and there.
It was only after that point that Blake went on his big run—in fact, his next two weeks, May 20-June 2, were by far the most productive of his season, including 5 of his 13 home runs. He slugged .800 in those 14 games and just .403 the rest of the year. The Indians optioned Marte to Buffalo in the middle of this run, on May 28, in either a rare case of relying an insignificant amount of data or a less-rare case of allowing Wedge to play favorites at the expense of a potential long-term player.
The hitting streak went from May 23 to June 23, but after June 2, it was nothing more than a novelty, as Blake got exactly 19 hits in 18 games, only four of them for extra bases, and with a weak 7.6 BB%. He also resumed striking out at better than 20% at this point.
Blake’s OPS after his big two weeks, ending June 2, was 726 the rest of the way. I can parse the dates a little bit this way or that way to make him look better or worse in one period or another - his OPS was below 600 from July 8 to August 24 - but the basic story is that he was at 616 for 16 games, than 1267 for 14 games, and then 726 the rest of the way. And there is no real way to make any part of his season look all that great without including that great two-week run.
Here’s the funny thing, though, Tox. This isn’t really about Blake at all. Marte wasn’t supposed to reclaim his old job and send Blake to the bench. No, he was supposed to send Blake back to his old job—in right field.
In this first half, we had Dellucci and Nixon both batting under .240 with OPS totals around 650. Dellucci eventually went on the DL, but from the time Marte came off the DL to the All-Star break, Nixon played 35 games in right field, starting there in 32 of them. He hit .207 with a .604 OPS. And maybe you remember what he looked like, playing out there.
Giving Nixon playing time at Marte’s expense was a significant defensive downgrade, ultimately at both positions, and it did nothing for the team at the plate, either. It was dumb, it was an unusual way to treat a rookie, and it was a mistake.
by Jay on May 1, 2008 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t that decision ALSO create the problem we have now; that he has no options left so we can’t send him to Buffalo if he plays poorly (or if the team wants him to play regularly so he can develop and is unwilling to do that at the major league level?) It was a mistake, for sure.
Yes, it did create that problem. We used up his final option without first bothering to find out if he really needed to be in the minors.
by Jay on May 1, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I read the same thing about 400 at-bats for Marte somewhere, too, Jay. I just didn’t believe it would play out any way other than it has given Wedge’s past tendencies.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 30, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wedge’s continuing tendencies. Prior to last night, two members of the bullpen had gone two weeks without toeing the rubber. That’s amazing. We play a 22-man roster.
Maybe we can have a new feature for the seventh inning stretch for home games where Craig Breslow and Tom Mastny take turns pitching BP to Andy Marte, so that everyone can at least get some work in.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 30, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
after seeing marte’s D last night, how does he not get now when or groud ball pitchers are on the mound? that one where blake got pulled off the bag was nice. i think blake pulled off subconsciously for job security at 3rd.
Considering the rust, Marte looked okay at the plate as well. Grounded out twice, hit a long fly, and one line-drive-right-at-a-guy. I really think he’ll get his hits eventually.
if he can lay off the pitches WAY outside, he’ll be fine. it was uncanny watching the catcher lung out there to set up before every pitch.
Honestly the only atbat of the season from Marte that I haven’t liked so far was his first-pitch swinging last night. Otherwise I think he’s had a great approach.
by supermarioelia on Apr 30, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If nothing else hope springs eternal in Cleveland.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
It begs the question… will we have more than the “minimum” number of players in the ASG this year? Cliff Lee and… ?
Not that it really matters, but still.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
so, didn’t CC wake up when the LGT banner ripped him. Time to get Chass off of there and devote the banner to waking up pronk?
it’s his wife’s fault
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by Gradyforpresident on Apr 30, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This hurts every time I hear it, even though I know it’s likely a joke. She was always very sweet in school, and I bet she’s a big reason he wanted to stay.
Aww, c’mon.
I know you’re just being funny, but aww, c’mon.
Everyone LOVED her when he signed, because she was rightly part of the equation. I’m happy for Amy Beekman. I am literally stunned, every time I think about it, that Amy Beekman is Amy Hafner. But she’s not the problem, easy as it is to make fun of her!
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