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Game Thread: April 5, 2008

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Cleveland Indians @ Oakland Athletics


Gametime: 4:05 PM (No TV)

Victor should be back in the lineup today.

This headline on indians.com was amusing:

Getting Marte at-bats a challenge
With Blake at third and first jammed, opportunity is limited

I can think of one way to overcome this challenge...

Getting Marte sufficient at-bats to gauge his progress at the big league level will be a challenge for manager Eric Wedge this season. With Casey Blake entrenched at third, Marte has been and will be doing a lot of sitting.

"He'll pick up Casey from time to time at third base," Wedge said of Marte's outlook. "When we give Casey a day off, we'll play Andy over there."
Fantastic. So now we see what would have happened if Brandon Phillips had he made the team in 2006. Here's an idea: start Andy Marte at third base at least once a week for the next two months. If you're concerned about his defense, play him behind Cliff Lee or Paul Byrd. Understand that this arrangement may not be the best thing for Casey Blake, but it is the best thing for the Cleveland Indians.

(Update: Neither Martinez nor Marte are in today's lineup)

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I love that Casey Blake is "entrenched" at third. Alex Rodriguez and David Wright should be "entrenched at third." Casey Blake should not.

by JesseAK on Apr 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, that phrasing is quite amusing. It's like saying Inge was entrenched at third for the Tigers last year.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't Marte at least get a PH in a blowout or something? Please?

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What use would that be, though?

It wouldn't tell us anything about him, and even if he does well Blake will still play more.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but on the off-chance he powers a PH 3-run HR or something Wedge might, might be tempted to give him a start a couple days later. It wouldn't be the best thinking, but any line of thinking that gets Marte ABs is fine with me.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But what if he strikes out and Wedge takes that as a sign to sit him?

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, he'd be sitting otherwise, so...

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very true

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would presuppose two men on. Those opportunities need to maintained for Casey.

by CBusSteve on Apr 5, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Such baloney. I'm really starting to hate Casey Blake.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd like him to have the same role as Trot did last season.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not his fault. I strongly dislike the hatred of Casey Blake here on LGT. I think it's misplaced and a little ignorant. I know we're all frustrated with Eric Wedge (maybe some of us with Shapiro for not forcing his hand). I know Blake is a league-average player at best. But he's still extremely valuable in the right role. If he's being used in the wrong role, it's not his fault.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So then it isn't ignorant to hate what he is doing. We know he doesn't belong there. A lot of us are fine with him being on the team, but we are not ignorant regarding it.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right. If you want to hate someone hate Wedge and his usage of Blake/Marte, not Blake himself.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he could just play better?

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's league average! We get instant league-average production at 3B, 1B, RF, and (maybe) LF. Defense might be questionable at some of those spots, but hey. I'm not gonna blame him for that.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But if he played better we wouldn't have a problem. I mean, it can't be that tough hitting 50 home runs.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I expect out of Carrol, too. He hasn't hit a single HR so far. What's he been doing with all that time on the bench, anyway?

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And if Jamie Carroll suddenly starting playing every day and sucking, I would start to hate him too.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you seriously saying Blake sucks?

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake is good, LOBlake sucks.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's doing exactly what I expect of him. And you're right I shouldn't be mad at him for being himself, I really do blame Wedge.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's fine, and I don't mind ragging on Blake in jest. I just kinda have a shorter fuse about this, it's all. Since it's apparently obvious at this point - I have an irrational like of our average 3B-man.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But I also think that Marte needs some starts, of course.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just want to get this Marte stuff over with. Either he's good or he's not. This just keeps prolonging the process.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That really doesn't end well...of course you could blame him for shaky defense. What I mean is that correctly used in the super-utility role, shaky defense at a few positions is fine given the benefits of flexibility, not needing to make roster moves, late game position shifts, etc.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, I'm going to be serious now.

Do we really need a super sub for LF, RF, and 1B?

We have PLENTY of outfield depth, and V-Mart/Garko at first. So, really, his only use is at third.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possible exception in right, at least until Choo is healthy. I agree with you in principle, though.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the heck, no MLB.tv link yet.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

check out the tigers and give us updates

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dtrain walks the first guy.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually this game is on Fox.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, thanks

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess I get to listen to Hammy.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabathia's line today?

Any guesses on how the big guy comes out?

7 IP, 2 earned runs, 7 k's

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

9IP 0H 14K

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My fantasy team likes that.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We all like that.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My fantasy team would like it if Orlando Cabrera and Andy Petitte didn't suck so much.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7.2 IP, 6 H, 6 Ks, 2 BBs

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is no one else getting this mlbtv? Because it actually works for me.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is no link for me to click on.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm getting something, but not a picture. Right now it's like a baseball card of Grady.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get this feeling we're "watching" the radio broadcast.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is crap, I am paying for video.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha that just showed up on the screen for me. Up until then the visuals were working.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damnit. I thought you and I were going to be able the select viewers today.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now there's some picture.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less than ideal, Grady.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, I'm gonna watch the Tigers game and keep you updated while you update the Tribe game.

Sound good?

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm...it sure ain't September.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is April.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It counts as much in April as in September.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but following it like so? I dunno.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize it makes sense. I just can't hype myself up like that. Right or wrong, it's more exciting in September.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm watching it too here.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ideal, Cabrera.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Droobs!

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird to see Michaels in 3 hole.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Michales? Drat that was close.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like Michaels almost got it.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn you Hammy......

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was excited about the foul ball.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As he should be, since it was close.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon I think we can all agree that Hammy and Underwood have the depth perception of a cyclops.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It had the length. It was a fair/foul issue. You seriously don't get excited by a shot down the line, maybe start a cheer sometimes, only to have one go foul?

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm very hesitant to give Hammy the benefit of the doubt with any home run call. Sorry but I just can't haha.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I seriously think he's pretty good. When I watch on TV with radio calls he seems to react appropriately like 95% of the time. Of course you'll get the occasional egregious call, but I think it'd happen to us all. :)

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why are you in such a pissy mood today? We are all listening on the radio, we cannot see anything. When Hammy gets worked up only for us to realize it was foul, it gets us quite excited only to disappoint.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not in a pissy mood - I'm saying you can't expect Hammy to psychically know what's going to happen. Disliking Hammy for that doesn't make much sense.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who doesn't like Hammy?

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think he dislikes him...he's just made about getting hopeful then having his hopes crushed.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I came off too strongly, I apologize. But your comments about Hammy seemed strong themselves.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh, his, not yours. Oops.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was pumped......and then it went foul.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, Hammy.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two outs, Tigers have two runners on...Cabrera up

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less. Than. Ideal.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is getting old..

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less. Than. Ideal.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ooh, Hafner with the RBI double, nice!

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes. Way to go Travis.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woot!

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is better than strikeouts.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pronk! I'd like to know where that pitch was though.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday claims waist-high outside fastball.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe pitchers still throw pitches out there to him.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, until they wise up, I'll enjoy watching him feast.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is anyone able to watch via MLBTV? I'm getting the odd live shot and then nothing but crappy on screen graphics? Listening to the A's radio call.

Go Pronk

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cabrera pops up and the Tigers don't score.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pronk! Never doubted him for a minute!

by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha it's funny, without visuals we can't criticize these guys nearly as much.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MLB.tv is interesting. I assume they can only show highlights, so you get to see the highlights right after.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got pictures now

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mario, did you just torch Hafner all night?

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

z

Now I'm getting live TV.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too, I'm confused. Though I hope it continues.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still have video.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My prediction was wrong.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh, it looks like he lost it in the sun or something.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Willis looks good for the Tigers so far.

His off speed pitches have the Sox off balance.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the bight side, the division leading Royals are losing.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone have a picture of the new uniforms Hamilton says the A's are wearing? I tried googling and came up empty.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same as last night, they are black.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think they're dark green.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both our guys and their guys have said they are black. Stop staring at the sun. :)

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That may be the problem.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are wearing dark green underneath, use that for comparison.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crap. Tie game.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Sweeney.....worthless.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweehbpny

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Settle down, CC. Not like its the postseason

by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is Oakland, though.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Settle down, CC. Not like its the postseason

by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less than ideal.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cabrera just made a horrible throw to the plate in Det.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I swear......Sabathia is still in ST mode.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he wants to get traded.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I prefer to hold out hope.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was not serious at all.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha. I was just stating.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tigers on the board...Inge knocks in Jacque Jones.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cripes. Could Lee pitch today?

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Carmona going tomorrow?

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lee

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crap, 29 pitches.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We play Oakland 7 more times this year.

by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Oakland?

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After tomorrow, the rest are at home.

by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't your Ace supposed to be able to protect a lead? geez.

by Sockalexis on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully, CC comes back and pitches a few quality innings, that would be nice to see.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least CC is consistant.

by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like the Indians are making decent contact. They won't all be at defenders. The question is whether it's going to matter.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We will start hitting this guy.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kasey Blake...top 2 over.

by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday claims 2 outs for us last inning. I knew the umps were crooked.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabathia is really bothering me.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd feel better about a leadoff walk to D Murphy if it was Dale instead of Donnie.

by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow ... that was a bad decision by the A's CF... if that had gotten by him, Grady's at third.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was an ugly dive, a very ugly dive.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did he think he was gonna catch that?

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do tell for those of us without video. Hegan's call was rather.... uninspired.

by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CF dove about 6 feet short of the ball but trapped it.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Willis is throwing a no hitter in the 4th

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but he's walked 4 and there's two on, one out now

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That one was close.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But has lost control.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ughhhh

Quentin just misses a three run shot.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And proceeds to end the inning

by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn

quentin grounds into a dp on ball 4

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big AB here for Mr. Hafner.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's the score, guys?

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

renteria hits a single

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow that was darn close to the line

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell yeah.

Quentin throws out Renteria at first....after a catch

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone doubt that ball just hit by Pudge would have been a homerun 5 years ago?b

by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking the exact same thing...when I first saw it I was like it's gone....and then it just floated.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guys I might be making my first visit to Cleveland for some baseball games. I got a couple questions.

What are the best seats?

What else can I do in Cleveland during the day before the game?

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rock hall of fame...you might want to make a diary out of this question

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my bad...fanpost

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are some fantastic seats in the second or third deck behind home plate if you can get them. The mezzanine in right is always a good time, and the bleachers in left are a pretty essential experience, if only once. Be wary of the upper deck deep down the first and third baselines -- the sightlines are okay, but you practically scale the steps on all fours to get to them.

During the day, it depends on your preferences. If you're feeling cultural, it's hard to go wrong with any of the big museums. Cleveland does those right. If you're feeling ... not cultural ... I expect there are some people who can answer that question better than I.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fucking brandon inge

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that'll end three.

by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good to see he got them in order.

by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5BB for Dtrain

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I stopped watching for a bit because bad things happen when I do

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even though we're not playing great Grady and Gark are still impressing me with their approaches at the plate

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gutz on the other hand is not

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6BB for Dtrain.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Friggin ump. Two nights in a row now

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That call was crap.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And 7BB for Dtrain.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is wrong with us? We cannot hit mediocre pitching.

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by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And put the ChiSox on the board.

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by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thome helping my fantasy and real team

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fox just said not a bad Tiger debut for Willis. 7BB is bad, Fox, bad.

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by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miraculously only one earned run so far

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by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So far is key

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by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dos.

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by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CC hasn't been sharp yet this year.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has anyone on this team been sharp?

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Extra-base hits have killed CC.

by TribeJay on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just arrived. Here's my comment on Ryan's opening write-up for this thread.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CC can relax now that he's extended his streak of starts with at least 4 runs allowed to fourgames.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well said. Can I rec this?

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, I had no idea you could rec comments. Just checked it out -- click Actions by the time/date stamp.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that I disagree with you, but there's no way Marte gets regular playing time if they aren't confident that he can field. Period. And with the way he looked in FL, I don't think that will happen. Marte looked like he was afraid of the ball and played everything off to his side. You can't do that in the major leagues. The only way Marte sees regular time in the first three months of the year is if Blake gets injured.

I just have this feeling that Blake is going to have a year where he hits .240 with 10-12 homers. As you said, he's 35 and not going to get better. He had a .697 OPS post-AS break last year, and he hasn't looked good for awhile. But he's not going get pulled until he fails for awhile.

However, I don't think Marte is a full-time major leauger either, not with his approach at the plate or in the field. But I would like to see if he could play for awhile and get some confidence.

by TribeJay on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Pronk is allowed to forget how to hit breaking pitches, why isn't Marte allowed to forget how to field?

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't really know squat about Marte's approach at the plate because he hasn't had enough at bats to tell us whether he's capable of making any adjustments. The primary reason that he doesn't have a major league approach is that he hasn't had any chance to be a major leaguer.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure we know about Marte's "approach". Swing at balls outside of the zone and try to jerk everything to left.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As for the defense, I can't confirm or deny it, except to say that the reports were that the Winter Haven infield was in pretty crummy shape. If you're right, then you're right: Marte can't field like Braun unless he wants to hit like Braun. But I think you're right on with your numbers for Blake. .240/.320/.360 wouldn't surprise me in the least. And that's part of my point: If Marte can put up a 750 to 800 OPS in 2008, that might well be an improvement over what we'd get from a full year of Casey.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte could just as easily put up .180/.200/.250 and field like your Great Aunt Vernie. Better the devil you know until you actually need to make a move.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And when we need to make a move we would be going with the unknown.

I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a situation I trust the Indians to deal with properly. The young guy on the outs with Wedge who could benefit from some regular ABs ... that's TBD.

And I'll have you know my Great Aunt Vernie's got a Rolen-esque backhand.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good lord, Wedge. That's enough. Pull him while we still have a chance. Let a reliever come in with the bases empty for once in your life.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice!!!!

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tie game in Detroit

Their bullpen blows another one

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love me some Miner.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

white sox 4-3

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sac fly Crede 4-3 White Sox lead

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pronk grow some eyes.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow haf ... just wow

by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why anyone throws Hafner a fastball middle-in is beyond me. He said it himself to Hammy before the game. He's out in front of EVERY off-speed pitch...if he doesn't take it for a strike.

Unfortunately, he did this for four months last year, so it's uncertain if you can call that a slump. It might just be what he is now.

by TribeJay on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget a fastball middle-in. There's no excuse to throw him a fastball period.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True enough. Flash it to him chin-high, maybe. I'd never serve up heat in the zone.

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as I love seeing the Tigers struggle, I would love to see us, um, not struggle

by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody up in the pen?

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rumors are flying about the Tigers and possible RP trades.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crosby trying his best indians D impression

by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're booing Cabrera in Detroit!

I love it

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair, that was probably them booing the strike call.

Actually, I'm not interested in being fair.

by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think so.

They booed the team yesterday.

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by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? If so, that is downright Philly-esque.

by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Detroit is not a loyal sports town.

Really, Michigan isn't really a sports state. I don't think they're as into sports as Cleveland.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clearly you've never been to a Red Wings game.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope. But I know that they don't cheer very loudly at football games.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clearly you haven't been to a Red Wings game for the last year. Huge difficulties selling tickets this year despite another President's Trophy for best regular season mark in the league.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/01/hockeytown_wests_attendance_on.html says that they're playing to 92% capacity. I wish the Indians were playing to 92% capacity.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're comparing them to the Tribe? Really? And the fact they have any tickets at all available is a far cry from years past.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh yeah. If you recall the Tribe's had something like 450 sellouts in a row - in years past.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are there any stats sites where you can look at number of called strikes per atbat?

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just got here after watching a very satisfying basketball game played at the Q (hint, hint) So what's the score? Is CC pitching worth a crap? Hafner have any hits?

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-1, no, yes (BS).

by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oy, finally got the Yahoo sports line up. Our averages etc. look like KC last year. Meh!

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just got here too. eveland is a k-machine or something? i don't want to be passe and worry about our striking out too much, but WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STRIKING OUT SO MUCH??

by emil minty on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am getting REALLY close to some ridiculously irrational negativity.

by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try it. The irrational positivity sure as hell didn't work.

Gutz for MVP

by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Repeat after me: you're never as bad as you look when you're losing and never as good as you look when you're winning

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Famous people who have (or could) shut down the Indians:


  • Dana Demuth - home plate umpire who jobbed Fausto against the Red Sox

  • Dana Eveland

  • Dana Carvey

  • Dana Rohrabacher

  • Dana Delaney

  • Queen Latifay (nee Dana Owens)

    • Free Andy Marte!

    Pronk Needs You

    by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Dana Barros would honestly get 27 Ks.

    by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Sorry - famous people named Dana who have (or could) shut down the Indians.

    Free Andy Marte!

    Pronk Needs You

    by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    can't be too difficult. How about Dana Jacobson?

    by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Dana Farber?

    Tribe fan from far, far away

    by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Nanette Fabre?

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Shelly Fabares

    Free Andy Marte!

    Pronk Needs You

    by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Dana Andrews

    Free Andy Marte!

    Pronk Needs You

    by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Extra points if you know his brothers name.

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    That's right be afraid of the arm of Gutz.

    by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Let's get some Stomp on.

    by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Aaand....STOMP'd. He's good.

    by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Boone Logan making Jones look foolish.

    I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.

    by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    They really are afraid of Quentin's arm now.

    by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Yep, they must be afraid of that white ball as well.

    But then again so are we

    I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.

    by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    So once again we're making some unknown look like Bob Gibson. This is getting old.

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Free Andy Marte!

    Free Andy Marte!

    Pronk Needs You

    by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Casey entrenched the hell out of that pop-up.

    by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Dye smacks a homer

    Sox 5
    Tigers 3

    I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.

    by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Other than that debacle at the Q, the best news of the day.

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    OK, Masa time to audition for the CoT.

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Masa is no Dice-K

    by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    To start with, he has no gyroball (but then again, I have yet to be convinced that Matsuzake did, either).

    Free Andy Marte!

    Pronk Needs You

    by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    You know he doesn't right?

    Tribe fan from far, far away

    by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    He threw it against us in the ALCS.

    I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.

    by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    I don't think he did.

    Tribe fan from far, far away

    by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    JEEZ does that guy below the radio booth need to shut up.

    by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    CC getting the inner cities back into baseball? I wouldn't mind if he himself got back into baseball.

    by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    Me, I'm trying to the exurbs back into polo.

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    ugh, just got here.....after seeing the mistake at the Q and the line here, kinda glad I got stuff done today.

    God truly does hate cleveland sports.

    by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    See if you'd get on board with me you could enjoy those kinda games.

    "the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

    by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    ??

    God truly does hate cleveland sports.

    by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

    did barfield do something in buffalo? Gamecast is not informing me of this.

    God truly does hate cleveland sports.

    by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions action