Game Thread: April 5, 2008
by Ryan on Apr 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Cleveland Indians at Oakland Athletics, Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
Gametime: 4:05 PM (No TV)
Victor should be back in the lineup today.
This headline on indians.com was amusing:
Getting Marte at-bats a challengeWith Blake at third and first jammed, opportunity is limited
Getting Marte sufficient at-bats to gauge his progress at the big league level will be a challenge for manager Eric Wedge this season. With Casey Blake entrenched at third, Marte has been and will be doing a lot of sitting."He'll pick up Casey from time to time at third base," Wedge said of Marte's outlook. "When we give Casey a day off, we'll play Andy over there."
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I love that Casey Blake is "entrenched" at third. Alex Rodriguez and David Wright should be "entrenched at third." Casey Blake should not.
by JesseAK on Apr 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that phrasing is quite amusing. It's like saying Inge was entrenched at third for the Tigers last year.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't Marte at least get a PH in a blowout or something? Please?
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What use would that be, though?
It wouldn't tell us anything about him, and even if he does well Blake will still play more.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but on the off-chance he powers a PH 3-run HR or something Wedge might, might be tempted to give him a start a couple days later. It wouldn't be the best thinking, but any line of thinking that gets Marte ABs is fine with me.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if he strikes out and Wedge takes that as a sign to sit him?
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he'd be sitting otherwise, so...
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would presuppose two men on. Those opportunities need to maintained for Casey.
by CBusSteve on Apr 5, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such baloney. I'm really starting to hate Casey Blake.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like him to have the same role as Trot did last season.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not his fault. I strongly dislike the hatred of Casey Blake here on LGT. I think it's misplaced and a little ignorant. I know we're all frustrated with Eric Wedge (maybe some of us with Shapiro for not forcing his hand). I know Blake is a league-average player at best. But he's still extremely valuable in the right role. If he's being used in the wrong role, it's not his fault.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then it isn't ignorant to hate what he is doing. We know he doesn't belong there. A lot of us are fine with him being on the team, but we are not ignorant regarding it.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. If you want to hate someone hate Wedge and his usage of Blake/Marte, not Blake himself.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he could just play better?
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's league average! We get instant league-average production at 3B, 1B, RF, and (maybe) LF. Defense might be questionable at some of those spots, but hey. I'm not gonna blame him for that.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he played better we wouldn't have a problem. I mean, it can't be that tough hitting 50 home runs.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I expect out of Carrol, too. He hasn't hit a single HR so far. What's he been doing with all that time on the bench, anyway?
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if Jamie Carroll suddenly starting playing every day and sucking, I would start to hate him too.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously saying Blake sucks?
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is good, LOBlake sucks.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's doing exactly what I expect of him. And you're right I shouldn't be mad at him for being himself, I really do blame Wedge.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, and I don't mind ragging on Blake in jest. I just kinda have a shorter fuse about this, it's all. Since it's apparently obvious at this point - I have an irrational like of our average 3B-man.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I also think that Marte needs some starts, of course.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to get this Marte stuff over with. Either he's good or he's not. This just keeps prolonging the process.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really doesn't end well...of course you could blame him for shaky defense. What I mean is that correctly used in the super-utility role, shaky defense at a few positions is fine given the benefits of flexibility, not needing to make roster moves, late game position shifts, etc.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'm going to be serious now.
Do we really need a super sub for LF, RF, and 1B?
We have PLENTY of outfield depth, and V-Mart/Garko at first. So, really, his only use is at third.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible exception in right, at least until Choo is healthy. I agree with you in principle, though.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck, no MLB.tv link yet.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
check out the tigers and give us updates
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dtrain walks the first guy.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually this game is on Fox.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess I get to listen to Hammy.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia's line today?
Any guesses on how the big guy comes out?
7 IP, 2 earned runs, 7 k's
by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9IP 0H 14K
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all like that.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fantasy team would like it if Orlando Cabrera and Andy Petitte didn't suck so much.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is no one else getting this mlbtv? Because it actually works for me.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no link for me to click on.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting something, but not a picture. Right now it's like a baseball card of Grady.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get this feeling we're "watching" the radio broadcast.
by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is crap, I am paying for video.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha that just showed up on the screen for me. Up until then the visuals were working.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 5, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit. I thought you and I were going to be able the select viewers today.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now there's some picture.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'm gonna watch the Tigers game and keep you updated while you update the Tribe game.
Sound good?
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is April.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It counts as much in April as in September.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but following it like so? I dunno.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize it makes sense. I just can't hype myself up like that. Right or wrong, it's more exciting in September.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Michaels almost got it.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was excited about the foul ball.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon I think we can all agree that Hammy and Underwood have the depth perception of a cyclops.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It had the length. It was a fair/foul issue. You seriously don't get excited by a shot down the line, maybe start a cheer sometimes, only to have one go foul?
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very hesitant to give Hammy the benefit of the doubt with any home run call. Sorry but I just can't haha.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously think he's pretty good. When I watch on TV with radio calls he seems to react appropriately like 95% of the time. Of course you'll get the occasional egregious call, but I think it'd happen to us all. :)
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you in such a pissy mood today? We are all listening on the radio, we cannot see anything. When Hammy gets worked up only for us to realize it was foul, it gets us quite excited only to disappoint.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not in a pissy mood - I'm saying you can't expect Hammy to psychically know what's going to happen. Disliking Hammy for that doesn't make much sense.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who doesn't like Hammy?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he dislikes him...he's just made about getting hopeful then having his hopes crushed.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I came off too strongly, I apologize. But your comments about Hammy seemed strong themselves.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pumped......and then it went foul.
by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Hammy.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two outs, Tigers have two runners on...Cabrera up
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pronk! I'd like to know where that pitch was though.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday claims waist-high outside fastball.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe pitchers still throw pitches out there to him.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, until they wise up, I'll enjoy watching him feast.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone able to watch via MLBTV? I'm getting the odd live shot and then nothing but crappy on screen graphics? Listening to the A's radio call.
Go Pronk
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera pops up and the Tigers don't score.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha it's funny, without visuals we can't criticize these guys nearly as much.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.tv is interesting. I assume they can only show highlights, so you get to see the highlights right after.
by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got pictures now
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario, did you just torch Hafner all night?
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
z
Now I'm getting live TV.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too, I'm confused. Though I hope it continues.
by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still have video.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My prediction was wrong.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, it looks like he lost it in the sun or something.
by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Willis looks good for the Tigers so far.
His off speed pitches have the Sox off balance.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bight side, the division leading Royals are losing.
by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have a picture of the new uniforms Hamilton says the A's are wearing? I tried googling and came up empty.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same as last night, they are black.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think they're dark green.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both our guys and their guys have said they are black. Stop staring at the sun. :)
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are wearing dark green underneath, use that for comparison.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweehbpny
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Settle down, CC. Not like its the postseason
by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Settle down, CC. Not like its the postseason
by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera just made a horrible throw to the plate in Det.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I swear......Sabathia is still in ST mode.
by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he wants to get traded.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not serious at all.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers on the board...Inge knocks in Jacque Jones.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We play Oakland 7 more times this year.
by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In Oakland?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After tomorrow, the rest are at home.
by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't your Ace supposed to be able to protect a lead? geez.
by Sockalexis on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, CC comes back and pitches a few quality innings, that would be nice to see.
by cclemens31 on Apr 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the Indians are making decent contact. They won't all be at defenders. The question is whether it's going to matter.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We will start hitting this guy.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday claims 2 outs for us last inning. I knew the umps were crooked.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd feel better about a leadoff walk to D Murphy if it was Dale instead of Donnie.
by maledicta on Apr 5, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow ... that was a bad decision by the A's CF... if that had gotten by him, Grady's at third.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was an ugly dive, a very ugly dive.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he think he was gonna catch that?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do tell for those of us without video. Hegan's call was rather.... uninspired.
by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CF dove about 6 feet short of the ball but trapped it.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willis is throwing a no hitter in the 4th
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but he's walked 4 and there's two on, one out now
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one was close.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But has lost control.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ughhhh
Quentin just misses a three run shot.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn
quentin grounds into a dp on ball 4
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow that was darn close to the line
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah.
Quentin throws out Renteria at first....after a catch
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone doubt that ball just hit by Pudge would have been a homerun 5 years ago?b
by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the exact same thing...when I first saw it I was like it's gone....and then it just floated.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys I might be making my first visit to Cleveland for some baseball games. I got a couple questions.
What are the best seats?
What else can I do in Cleveland during the day before the game?
by mjschaefer on Apr 5, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rock hall of fame...you might want to make a diary out of this question
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some fantastic seats in the second or third deck behind home plate if you can get them. The mezzanine in right is always a good time, and the bleachers in left are a pretty essential experience, if only once. Be wary of the upper deck deep down the first and third baselines -- the sightlines are okay, but you practically scale the steps on all fours to get to them.
During the day, it depends on your preferences. If you're feeling cultural, it's hard to go wrong with any of the big museums. Cleveland does those right. If you're feeling ... not cultural ... I expect there are some people who can answer that question better than I.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5BB for Dtrain
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I stopped watching for a bit because bad things happen when I do
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though we're not playing great Grady and Gark are still impressing me with their approaches at the plate
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6BB for Dtrain.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Friggin ump. Two nights in a row now
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That call was crap.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And 7BB for Dtrain.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with us? We cannot hit mediocre pitching.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And put the ChiSox on the board.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thome helping my fantasy and real team
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox just said not a bad Tiger debut for Willis. 7BB is bad, Fox, bad.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miraculously only one earned run so far
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far is key
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC hasn't been sharp yet this year.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone on this team been sharp?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just arrived. Here's my comment on Ryan's opening write-up for this thread.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CC can relax now that he's extended his streak of starts with at least 4 runs allowed to fourgames.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to address Blake/Marte one last time, and then I'm just going to ignore it til it resolves itself.
I've said it before: For better or worse, the difference in production between Casey Blake and Andy Marte is highly unlikely to be the difference between winning or losing the division. Given that, I would rather watch Marte improve than Blake decline.
And whatever you may think about Andy's chances of significant improvement in 2008, Casey Blake's decline isn't really in question. He turns 35 in August, now four years removed from his career year. He's league average for his career, but I don't see much evidence that he's going to be league average this season -- at the plate, or, for that matter, in the field.
I don't see how the Indians can afford NOT to play Andy Marte. And I recoil at the notion -- admittedly not one necessarily espoused by anybody here -- that the Indians owe Casey Blake anything. They rescued him from AAA and kept him in the lineup when I imagine many other teams would not have. Sink or swim, he gets $6MM this season. I'd say the gratitude/loyalty ledger is pretty well zeroed out.
Probably the Indians know more about this than I do. Maybe they've got evidence that young players aren't built to succeed until the the immediate pressure to produce is off, a bit later in the season. Maybe something's up with Marte right now and he's just not ready at the moment. Maybe these are all wasted pixels.
Here's hoping.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Haha, I had no idea you could rec comments. Just checked it out -- click Actions by the time/date stamp.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I disagree with you, but there's no way Marte gets regular playing time if they aren't confident that he can field. Period. And with the way he looked in FL, I don't think that will happen. Marte looked like he was afraid of the ball and played everything off to his side. You can't do that in the major leagues. The only way Marte sees regular time in the first three months of the year is if Blake gets injured.
I just have this feeling that Blake is going to have a year where he hits .240 with 10-12 homers. As you said, he's 35 and not going to get better. He had a .697 OPS post-AS break last year, and he hasn't looked good for awhile. But he's not going get pulled until he fails for awhile.
However, I don't think Marte is a full-time major leauger either, not with his approach at the plate or in the field. But I would like to see if he could play for awhile and get some confidence.
by TribeJay on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pronk is allowed to forget how to hit breaking pitches, why isn't Marte allowed to forget how to field?
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't really know squat about Marte's approach at the plate because he hasn't had enough at bats to tell us whether he's capable of making any adjustments. The primary reason that he doesn't have a major league approach is that he hasn't had any chance to be a major leaguer.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure we know about Marte's "approach". Swing at balls outside of the zone and try to jerk everything to left.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the defense, I can't confirm or deny it, except to say that the reports were that the Winter Haven infield was in pretty crummy shape. If you're right, then you're right: Marte can't field like Braun unless he wants to hit like Braun. But I think you're right on with your numbers for Blake. .240/.320/.360 wouldn't surprise me in the least. And that's part of my point: If Marte can put up a 750 to 800 OPS in 2008, that might well be an improvement over what we'd get from a full year of Casey.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marte could just as easily put up .180/.200/.250 and field like your Great Aunt Vernie. Better the devil you know until you actually need to make a move.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when we need to make a move we would be going with the unknown.
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a situation I trust the Indians to deal with properly. The young guy on the outs with Wedge who could benefit from some regular ABs ... that's TBD.
And I'll have you know my Great Aunt Vernie's got a Rolen-esque backhand.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord, Wedge. That's enough. Pull him while we still have a chance. Let a reliever come in with the bases empty for once in your life.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tie game in Detroit
Their bullpen blows another one
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sac fly Crede 4-3 White Sox lead
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why anyone throws Hafner a fastball middle-in is beyond me. He said it himself to Hammy before the game. He's out in front of EVERY off-speed pitch...if he doesn't take it for a strike.
Unfortunately, he did this for four months last year, so it's uncertain if you can call that a slump. It might just be what he is now.
by TribeJay on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget a fastball middle-in. There's no excuse to throw him a fastball period.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough. Flash it to him chin-high, maybe. I'd never serve up heat in the zone.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love seeing the Tigers struggle, I would love to see us, um, not struggle
by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors are flying about the Tigers and possible RP trades.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crosby trying his best indians D impression
by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're booing Cabrera in Detroit!
I love it
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, that was probably them booing the strike call.
Actually, I'm not interested in being fair.
by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
They booed the team yesterday.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? If so, that is downright Philly-esque.
by Pronktastic on Apr 5, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit is not a loyal sports town.
Really, Michigan isn't really a sports state. I don't think they're as into sports as Cleveland.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly you've never been to a Red Wings game.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. But I know that they don't cheer very loudly at football games.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly you haven't been to a Red Wings game for the last year. Huge difficulties selling tickets this year despite another President's Trophy for best regular season mark in the league.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/01/hockeytown_wests_attendance_on.html says that they're playing to 92% capacity. I wish the Indians were playing to 92% capacity.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're comparing them to the Tribe? Really? And the fact they have any tickets at all available is a far cry from years past.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh yeah. If you recall the Tribe's had something like 450 sellouts in a row - in years past.
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by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there any stats sites where you can look at number of called strikes per atbat?
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got here after watching a very satisfying basketball game played at the Q (hint, hint) So what's the score? Is CC pitching worth a crap? Hafner have any hits?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oy, finally got the Yahoo sports line up. Our averages etc. look like KC last year. Meh!
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just got here too. eveland is a k-machine or something? i don't want to be passe and worry about our striking out too much, but WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STRIKING OUT SO MUCH??
by emil minty on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am getting REALLY close to some ridiculously irrational negativity.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Try it. The irrational positivity sure as hell didn't work.
Gutz for MVP
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Repeat after me: you're never as bad as you look when you're losing and never as good as you look when you're winning
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Famous people who have (or could) shut down the Indians:
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana Barros would honestly get 27 Ks.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry - famous people named Dana who have (or could) shut down the Indians.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't be too difficult. How about Dana Jacobson?
by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana Farber?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nanette Fabre?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extra points if you know his brothers name.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right be afraid of the arm of Gutz.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boone Logan making Jones look foolish.
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They really are afraid of Quentin's arm now.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, they must be afraid of that white ball as well.
But then again so are we
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So once again we're making some unknown look like Bob Gibson. This is getting old.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Casey entrenched the hell out of that pop-up.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye smacks a homer
Sox 5
Tigers 3
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other than that debacle at the Q, the best news of the day.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Masa time to audition for the CoT.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To start with, he has no gyroball (but then again, I have yet to be convinced that Matsuzake did, either).
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Apr 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know he doesn't right?
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He threw it against us in the ALCS.
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he did.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JEEZ does that guy below the radio booth need to shut up.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CC getting the inner cities back into baseball? I wouldn't mind if he himself got back into baseball.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me, I'm trying to the exurbs back into polo.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh, just got here.....after seeing the mistake at the Q and the line here, kinda glad I got stuff done today.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See if you'd get on board with me you could enjoy those kinda games.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
??
God truly does hate cleveland sports.
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did barfield do something in buffalo? Gamecast is not informing me of this.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any player thrown out at 3rd will forever be known to me as a Barfield. I can't remember the opponent who also did this last yaer...
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone from Washington.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a divisional game.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't mean when Shop threw out someone at third to end the game? I think it was to end the game.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant specifically a dumb baserunner going from 2nd to 3rd on a grounder to the left side...Barf did it notably once, and there were two other last year from the opposition too...
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheffield did it at the Jake
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work. And I think the other one might be from KC.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ordonez grounds into dp...more boo birds
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentlemen Emil "Down Town" Brown.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Soo...how bout the final four
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gamecast is malfunctioning, it lists Jason Michaels as the three hole hitter. Can someone fix this?
God truly does hate cleveland sports.
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not until Vic gets back.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey GML how my boy look in the fourth quarter? Kinda like your ol' Aunt Tessie when her lumbago was acting up, no?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/cries.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.
by Gradysmanldy on Apr 5, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, Masa. Nice, low stress, 20 pitch, 2 hit inning.
by fleerdon on Apr 5, 2008 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on Droooobs!
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on Pronk!!!
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this right - Wedge is pinch hitting Dellucci for Hafner. Is that right?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I got it DD HBP Hafner K swinging. This is getting very old.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Nick Swisher
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
21 plate appearances. 9 Ks. And many more weak-ass groundouts.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)
I've seen enough - bye.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Apr 5, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are gonna miss the good part!
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Apr 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers LOSE!!
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only team in the majors not to have a victory.
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh meh bleh
Some guy in the stands sure has a set of lungs on him, huh?
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, c'mon people, it's Indians baseball.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could Gark not have let that go foul?
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Raffy being pulled for Breslow mid-inning during the 5th game of the season...who saw this one coming?
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tis the unpredictability of bullpens
by westbrook on Apr 5, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for you BenFran fans out there, Dellichaels is now 0-13 on the season with 5 BB and a HBP.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They have no excuse for not giving the young players a chance.
Marte and Francisco should be playing.
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon let's get a meaningless solo shot from someone.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are the Twins in first place?
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't have mlb.tv yet - do we look as bad as the box score makes it seem like we look?
I'm not superstitious, I'm just a little stitious.
by jakesinger777 on Apr 5, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was disappointing.
We lost the series to the frickin' Oakland A's.
A little league team could compete with them for Christ's sake.
I'm officially removing myself as president of the Gutz for MVP campaign. He will have to earn it back.
by gahnki on Apr 5, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My main frustration here is trying to reconcile the team that stomped Mark Buerhle and Javier Vasquez with the team that can't hit Oakland's raft of mediocre pitching. And the growing fear that the pitching isn't going to be anywhere near as consistent as last year. Is there any good news right now?
by NickFantana on Apr 5, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jeez, i'm gone for two days and everything falls apart.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 5, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well then it's about time you got back!
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks. i could do shots of maker's mark for the rest of my life.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 5, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and remember, I don't drink liquor.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 5, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 16,279 in attendance at McAfee Coliseum saw another lackluster (or more accurately, lacking) performance by the Indians in Oakland. Fortunately, the game was not televised, preventing more widespread damage to the reputations of the Indians and Sabathia.
The Indians have now lost 17 out of its last 23 games in Oakland, corresponding with Wedge's tenure. Sabathia's ERA in Oakland remains above 7 and he has won only 1 game (out of 8 starts) in his hometown, 5 years ago.
Today, the 100 win, reigning Cy Young winner was outpitched by Dana Eveland, with 64 innings and no wins as a starter to his credit.
Sabathia came out misfiring, giving up 3 runs on 3 hits and a HBP in the first inning, and taking 29 pitches to do it.
He settled down after that, giving up only 1 more run, with Mark Ellis breaking an 0-18 streak with a solo HR in the
5th. However, after walking 2 batters in the 6th, he had run his pitch count to 107, and had to be bailed out by Jensen Lewis after 5 1/3 innings, leaving his season ERA at 7.59. (Maybe the Indians will have a chance to resign him. I don't think an AL West team would go after him.)
Raffy R may have emptied the Circle of Trust in the 8th inning , giving up 2 runs on 4 hits and an SB to 5 batters.
Breslow faced 3 batters to end the A's afternoon with 6 runs.
The Indians have been no match for 2 nights in San Francisco, striking out 10 times Friday night, followed by another 10 on Saturday. Hafner led the way with 4 Ks over the 2 games, with numerous others contributing 3.
Cliff Lee, in his role as the #5 starter, has the job of stopping the 3-game losing streak, that the #1 ace was no match for when it was a game shorter. Lee is hoping that the 3rd night in San Francisco is the charm.
by palcal on Apr 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish it wasn't televised. Unfortunately it actually was shown on mlbtv.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after some fiddling, I was able to bring up the archive of today's game on mlb.tv, although I can't bear to watch much of it.
the camera work on the inhouse feed wasn't as bad as I feared, despite all the cameras under canvas that I saw on the 1st base side.
no graphics and they patched in the Oakland radio broadcast, which allows you to hear old friend Ray Fosse
by palcal on Apr 5, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the rules are different in Canada. In the U.S., I can't access the MLB.TV archive of the game until 6am tomorrow.
by palcal on Apr 5, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will pinstripes have a slimming effect on C.C.?
by DixonCayne on Apr 6, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
drunk post alert*********
Michaels as a 3 hitter? That has me very worried about our offense, especially when added to 3 straight games of belove average offensive production. Sizemore, Garko, Peralta. That is all we have as far as for sure above average production when Martinez is hurt. I'd like to think Gutz is close to being a sure thing as far as positive output day in and day out, but he isn't quite there yet. Cabrera is a HUGE question mark, and I don't think he can be counted on for much more than .320OBP/.690 OPS. Blake, as mentioned above, is on the decline. Dellucci/Michaels is a below average platoon, and that is about a big a waste of roster spots as you can think, but even BenFran wouldn't suddenly make us a great offense. The 1-9 thing is a nice philosophy, but the bottom line is we are not a playoff team without Martinez and Hafner producing at their career levels.
Sure, we survived a sub-Pronk performance last year, but that was because Carmona, Betancourt, and a few other bullpen guys pitched out of their mind. I think CC will come close to his 06 and 07 numbers, I'm not that worried about him, but its the offense that really scares me. Carmona will regress a little and the pen will be good, but not '07 amazingawesomegreatbonnerriffic.
Go Tribe.
by Ryan Kelsey on Apr 5, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These last three games have given me flashbacks to our July-mid August swoon of last year.
A disjointed lineup that is incapable of getting big innings or key 2-out hits. Wedge keeps juggling it, but to no avail. Pitching performances are wasted during this time (Westbrook).
Hurry back, Victor.
by Toxicadam on Apr 6, 2008 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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