Might as well make it an even 200.

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That was quite hilarious. Grady has a nice dry sense of humor.

by mjschaefer on May 10, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

Yeah. I like him even more know. He’s a guy you’d like to hang out with-not just because he’d attract chicks, but, it seems like he’d be quoting Anchorman and Talladega Nights, just a lot of inside jokes and stuff.

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 10, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

i support anyone who says that a good place to pick women up is the bookstore.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 10, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

I would hope somebody running for president would have experience with bookstores.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

oh the possibilities here

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 10, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

... or if not, at least some experience running an MLB team :)

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 10, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

see, i don’t think being an owner is actually running the team …

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 10, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Did anyone see in that same issue of ESPN the Steve Phillips recommendations on how to fix the Reds. Number 2 I believe was for Jocketty to call up Shapiro and trade Adam Dunn for Cliff Lee and 1 of Jeremy Sowers or Aaron Laffey.

by Roger Dorn on May 10, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply reply 0 recs

AND Franklin Gutierrez, I think.

by ASP on May 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

SHOOT ME NOW

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Boy, while we’re fleecing Jocketty I wonder if he’d accept a straight up Sizemore for Corey Patterson swap, then we’d really have swindled him.

by NickFantana on May 11, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

For what it’s worth, in his time with the Carindals, Jocketty took Finley, Selby and Belliard off our hands. There may have been others.

by Jay on May 11, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

As far as projecting actual trades, this is a good point. Dunn would be a boost to our lineup….I wonder if he could be had straight up for Laffey/Sowers and a position player prospect?

by NickFantana on May 11, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

It’s not clear to me that we should give up even Sowers straight-up by himself for 4.5 months of Dunn and $10 million added to the payroll.

Do people think that Dunn is amazing and Sowers isn’t worth much? If so, wrong on both counts.

by Jay on May 11, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I like it when players hit balls out of stadiums and into large geographical features, visible from space. It’s definitely a bias of mine.

In seriousness, I am at anyone’s mercy when it comes to assessing trade value from club to club. I mean, I agree that Sowers is worth a lot and I don’t think Dunn is amazing. But I don’t know how they compare to each other. I suppose it’s just a matter of adding up the ledger on each side.

If it’s not Sowers, then maybe Lofgren + a small piece? I’m fighting to tread water here.

by NickFantana on May 11, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

What’s needed here is just a little perspective on each.

Dunn, even assuming he’s amazing, is strictly a rental player. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the year, and his salary, while not ridiculous, is substantial.

Sowers is a major-league pitcher — at the very least a National League pitcher — and while he struggled last season, his third as a pro, he dominated in his first two seasons and is doing well this year in his fourth. He’s under contract through 2013, which by the way probably covers his peak seasons, age 25-30.

Sowers’ total salaries for all of 2008-2011 will almost certainly be less than Dunn will make for the next five months, and Sowers’ salary will likely be well below-market for 2012 and 2013 as well.

Does that help make it more clear?

by Jay on May 12, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Yes, yes it does. Thanks. Of course, all of this probably flies out the window when dealing with Crazy Uncle Walt. Judging by the roster construction in St Louis over the past few years, I think he thinks players peak at 34.

by NickFantana on May 12, 2008 8:58 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

But Sowers is something that we have a couple of - a young, middle to bottom of the rotation starting pitcher. Dunn represents something that we do not have at all - power from a corner OF. So you are not necessarily comparing Sowers’ value to Dunn’s. Part of the equation is comparing what you lose in Sowers (not so much in the next couple of years, because he has replacements), versus what you gain in Dunn for the rest of this year. I just do not think that you lose that much trading Sowers.

That being said, I’m not sure I’d trade Sowers or Laffey for Dunn straight up. I can see Dunn not doing so well adjusting to a new park and new pitchers. I think that I’m OK with the “pitching and defense and get all of your players from the minor leagues” model of this team. I just hope that some of the bats get hot.

by Buzz on May 12, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Speaking of defense—have you seen Dunn in the outfield? And people think Dellucci is bad?

by odradek on May 12, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I’d be more inclined to trade Sowers than Laffey, but don’t think I would do it straight up for Dunn.

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Just because you have Giles and need Rincon doesn’t mean you trade Giles for RIncon, unless Rincon is the only available player you really need and you cannot win without him. The obligation on the GM is to get as close to equal value as possible, even when dealing excess depth to fill a hole.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

So you are saying it would be even dumber to make that hypothetical trade in the offseason?

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

I’m not sure I understand the question. What gave you that impression?

by Jay on May 12, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

SO MUCH NAH.

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by AngG on May 10, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs

Yeah, that’s what Shapiro will do.

He’ll trade 2.75 years of Cliff Lee ($16.5 million) for 4.5 months of Adam Dunn ($10 million).

And throw in five years of Laffey or Sowers.

No doubt he’s silently thinking to himself, “This will work because Shapiro is one of those stupid GM’s who doesn’t think Dunn’s stirkeouts are a problem.”

by Jay on May 11, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply reply 0 recs