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Game Thread: May 12, 2008 - 19th inning

Toronto Blue Jays at Cleveland Indians, May 2, 2007 7:05 PM EDT


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Alrighty. Let’s get out of this.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

oooh 19th inning

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

HIRE THIS THREAD

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

First three threads were unscored upon. Can the fourth thread maintain?

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GO TRIBE

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully this thread will live a long life

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

why is it that i fear the guy pitching the 9th inning for the indians, regardless of name, over the last 5 years. wickman, betancourt, riske, mastny, borowski.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t forget the ill-fated Carmona tenure, brief as it was.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raffy’s been damn unlucky since his arrival in the closer’s spot.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlucky? He’s been straight bad at times too.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

we lose.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Bah. Good job Cliff.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

FUCK

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

screw this thread too.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Man what the heck Raf.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

TRIPLE FUCK

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Onlly the 8th Triple Fuck since 1900

by steincat on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bentancourt has been infected with a serious dose of suckass.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Bah, that’s the ballgame. Where did you go, 2007 Betancourt?

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Well … that really didn’t work out.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

oh fuck

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Idiotic comment about closer-in-tie-games.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

is there any worse pitching feat than giving up 3 runs in one inning to this team?

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I disapprove.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Fuck fuck fuck fuck. What is wrong with Betancourt?

Well, we still have last ups, bitches.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

yea, because we’re really good at that scoring runs thing.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

how soon will JoBo be back?

by palcal on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Surely, you’re not serious.

by Denver Tribe Fan on May 12, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll just blame Raffy’s suckiness on the fact that it’s the Jays. We all remember last year when he lost the game for us when Byrd pitched that gem.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

We do?

Rafi never gave up more than one run in a game all last season.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

13 all year / 12 already this year

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 1-0 game in the Towers-Byrd showdown. Rios with the gamewinning single to centre.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bloody hell. So much for the ice cream rally.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

The total lack of hitting is what continues to disappoint though. Yeah Betancourt sucks here but we haven’t had a baserunner since the 4th!

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s remember that things weren’t great for Raf before he went into the closer’s role either.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely true.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

why are all our relievers’ velocities down?

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

FIRE WILLIS

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Byrd’s dentist retired.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

although Lee does not get the win, at least it’s a no decision for him

by palcal on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

He doesn’t even get a complete game (or a shutout). It’s just not fair, I tell ya.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh well .. you can’t win them all. We have won two series in a row, that’s all that matters. Let’s keep on chugging.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

but you SHOULD have won this one.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

mind you, when you go 18-18, you have to actually win some games you shouldn’t win to make what we call the “post-season”

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can’t complain too much about this (potential) loss.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

betancourt has given it up in 4 of his last 6 appearances.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we fire Derek Shelton?

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Paul Shuey available?

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m still convinced Marte would’ve hit a homer in the 8th

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

OBVIOUSLY OMG HE WAS SO DUE

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

if anyone was due for a flukey hit, it was him.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Marte sucks but it’s hard to defend the Wedge’s decision to pinch hit with nobody on base and 2 outs IIRC

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

switched windows, and Braun knocked Fausto off the leaderboard

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

huh

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee pitched 9 scoreless innings. Why aren’t I studying and smiling about our win?

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, so Betancourt shouldn’t be giving up bunches of runs to the Jays. But when you head for extras knotted at 0-0, you’re asking for trouble.

by baergagaga on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps it has to due with him being wildly ineffective and that Perez was the better bet to begin with.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

with stairs and overbay coming up, why bring in the guy who absolutely dominates lefties?

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hate being behind the Twins. I mean, it’s not just the Twins, it’s these Twins.

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The post-Santana Twins. Sigh.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad to see Downs in there isntead of Ryan. We still have a chance, maybe.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

BEAT ME TO IT!

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

downs in for ryan … ?

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news, boys … Ryan is out … and Joe Inglett is “playing” shortstop.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t forget Wilkerson, who looked like a butcher out there the other day.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They took out Ryan? Bahahahaha thanks I guess?

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

imagine how good this pitching staff would be if Janssen hadn’t gone down for the year.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Imagine how bad they’d be if they hadn’t spent $100 million on Burnett and Ryan.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burnett has an option to be FA again this year, no?

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only Indian with any extra base hit in his career against Downs? Casey Blake with two doubles.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I LIE. Garko with a homer.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah, Gutz.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah Gutz was definitely the guy I wanted to see atbat there.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Idiotic comments about closing mentality.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hate that shit. Clearly it was just that mentality that propelled Borowski to a stellar ~5.50 ERA.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

betancourt with a 6.89ERA. he and gagne should go somewhere together.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Proon is going to poink a pronksmash here.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, so he plinked a pronkpoot instead.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the cool breeze Pronk. It was most refreshing.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

WILKERSON!

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

HIRE OPPOSITE FIELD HITS BY PRONK AT HOME AGAINST THE JAYS

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright, Pronk getting it started.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Hafner!

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you see that fucking placement? did you see it?

Also, thank you batboy for not touching that ball.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh, it would’ve been a double either way.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, Kelly. You’re due.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

...to visit New Pronkville

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh that was an accidental double but I’ll take it. (Hafner still sucks)

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank goodness we don’t have Casey Blake to pinchhit here. And yes, I would use him right here.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought for a second that Tyner was actually going to hit here. Jeez.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Yech … this is where we should have had Blake, Francisco is not exactly a count-worker.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Neither is Blake.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

= I know nothing about Casey Blake’s approach at the plate

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL whatever. Didn’t Blake strike out in 4 pitches in his glorious pinch hit?

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

In general, though, he sees a ton of pitches.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and usually takes strike 3, in hopes of seeing more.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He isn’t the very best hitter or on-base guy, that is true, but he leads the team in pitches per plate appearance every year. He led the majors in 2004 and 2005, and is among the top 15 or so this year and last year.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

COME ON, BEN.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

ok. so when the person in tyner’s slot has a chance to win the game, tyner, with 1 homerun, bats. when getting on base is the only objective, he doesn’t.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

not that i want him up here. he doesn’t get on base. i’m still just harpin on him batting last time.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

wedge can’t make one game worth of decisions, and you want 2 out of him?

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what is our situation?

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

2 outs, Hafner on third, Francisco at the plate.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaand.. Francisco whiffs, ballgame.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and francisco swinging at ball 3.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least we’re wearing him down for the next inning…oh

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

FIRE LOSSES

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Bah. Ballgame.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

inexcusable. i’m all upset now.

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m mad. We totally wasted that triple play.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

GODDAMMIT.

How many innings did we only need to score one f’ing run to win this game.

F F F F F.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Those 3 hours above .500 felt good. I want it back.

by steincat on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

and by the way everybody ben fransisco is not a good major league hitter.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Best thing about baseball:

Tomorrow is another day.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

DEAR ERIC FUCKING WEDGE,

THE TORONTO BLUEJAYS HAVE THREE VERY TALENTED LEFT-HANDED RELIEVERS. CHANCES ARE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE USED LATE IN THE GAME. AND YOU KNEW THAT ONCE YOU USED BLAKE, THAT FRANCISCO WAS YOUR NEXT BEST RIGHT-HANDED OPTION OFF THE BENCH. YET YOU USED BLAKE AGAINST MARCUM. BECAUSE YOU HATE ANDY MARTE. PLEASE REALIZE THAT YOUR HATRED HAS GONE TOO FAR.

Sincerely,

Me.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

LETS MAKE UP FOR THIS by SWEEPING THE A’S

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The A’s kinda scare me, actually. Are they for fuckin’ real?

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

they seem flukey to me. Their pitching won’t last.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

moral of the story: i

1)indians have starting pitching.

2) wedge still has no clue who is on his team, or, rather, WHY they are on his team.

3) hafner…fuck. see also: garko, peralta, blake, betancourt.

4) andy marte cannot succeed at the major league level because he’s not going to be given the chance to do so.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

agree with 1
agree with 2
agree with 3
agree with 4

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

5.) Cabrera and Gutz. Yowza.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They won 3 out of 4 against a team with good pitching. So, no need to panic. But …. The hitting is beginning to look like it is not going to get better soon or without some changes. I smell a trade, actually. I can’t see any reason why Jason Tyner is on the 25-man roster except to hold a place for someone else. It may not happen tomorrow, but I can’t believe the FO will waste this kind of starting pitching indefinitely. Right now, they’re at .500 and still in contention. If they keep winning series, Shapiro will have the luxury of waiting. Get your blood pressure medicine out—we’re in for some close games, I fear.

by peter m on May 12, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tonight’s second game batting: embarassing. Just embarassing.

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The Blue Jays have a fantastic pitching staff. You can’t really get this upset over a loss. That’s baseball.

We have a big series coming up and I need you guys to pull it together for tomorrow’s game thread. Let’s get a good night’s sleep and rest your fingers.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The hitting performance is worth getting upset about.

The Jays didn’t do that much worse against Lee than Lee’s typical start this season.

Marcum came in with a 2.50 ERA, not 0.00. He’s been great, but not like Lee. And we should be better than that anyway.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen brother. I mean, if a pitcher goes a complete game, and is not Cliff lee, we should expect at least a run, no?

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a guy that has only been giving up only 4 hits a game, has a high K/BB rate and has 6/7 (now 7/8) Quality starts.

I would say he is probably one of the best starters we have faced all year (statistically).

It’s night like last Sunday when we looked dreadful against Meche (a guy we had lit up in the past) with his 6.00 ERA.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he’s not impervious, and no other team has done this badly against him.

His earned runs by game: 3, 1, 2, 4, 2, 0, 2. Average: 2. Median: 2.

Walks allowed by game: 1, 1, 3, 4, 3, 3, 1. Average: 2.3. Median: 3.

Extra-base hits by game: 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 0, 1. Average: 1.9. Median: 2.

In his other scoreless start, the White Sox at least forced him out of the game at 100 pitches before the end of the 7th. They got five baserunners, not two, by drawing three walks, not zero.

I will gladly allow, by the way, that they were pathetic against Carmona and Lee in the same way, but that doesn’t justify our horrendous performance. It isn’t too much to ask our offense to produce at a league-average level, in which case we’d be a .600 team easily.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

In defense of the Blue Jays offense, we don’t have Joe Inglett, Jorge Velandia, Shannon Stewart or Kevin Mench starting.

At the quarter pole, we have some lame-ass offensive numbers. On a pace to score 660 runs or so.

by odradek on May 12, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine. i hope lebron misses a game winner now.

by Brick. on May 12, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

when can atom miller join our pen?

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Wedge sounds very, very grumpy.

Good.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

“Our approach was tonight was poor, if the not the poorest I’ve seen all year. No excuses for it. No excuses. We gave away at-bats all night long.”

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

uhh, i think by “if the not the poorest” i meant “maybe”

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can’t shake that our starters went 18 innings today, allowed no runs, and we lost a game.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

And lost a half-game in the standings.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need to steal some bullshit win tomorrow in a game we have no business walking away with to balance this out.

by Brick. on May 12, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

It is frustrating, but consider that the Jays starters gave up 3 runs in a similar number of innings and also lost a game. You’re going to lose some close games. The infuriating part here is not this game—it’s a month and a half of games where the Indians basically don’t hit.

by peter m on May 12, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but we actually had scored 3+ runs in our last six games — three 3’s, a 5, a 6 and a 12. Looked like we might be coming out of it.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s possible we still are. We’ve had quite an outburst against a pretty decent pitching staff and, while it is frustrating, it’s not unheard of that we could get shut out by a pitcher like Marcum and still be on the right track.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2008 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda hoped so too. But, it doesn’t look like it. Over the past 7 games (Yankees/Jays), the Indians as a team are at .319/.373/.691. For the year, it’s .318/.357/.675. Not much change. The double header obviously pulled the week’s totals down, but the team’s averages for these series are not better.

by peter m on May 13, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Screw Friday and Saturday’s performances, Fire Shelton.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

0 for 8 with RISP, and terrible at bats. Shoppach’s comes to mind.
Although I think Tyner’s presence doomed the lineup to futility.

by odradek on May 12, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

peralta had 3 weak flyball outs on first pitches. those stand out big to me

by mpstable on May 12, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought Jhonny would have a chance with BJ, but he seemed in a hurry to get back into the dugout.

by odradek on May 12, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude.

TWO BASERUNNERS IN TEN INNINGS.

That is our problem.

RISP = small picture

horrible at-bats and no baserunners = big picture

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry … two in the first nine innings, we got a third baserunner in the 10th.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget the catcher’s interference, though it had no effect.

by odradek on May 12, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a banner to commemorate Asdrubal.

by Voltaire on May 12, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh.

“Triple play. So what.”

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, perhaps in a more general sense:

“Give us three runs, and we’ll give you the world.”

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the banner should say “TRIPLE PLAY ACCOMPLISHED”. I wish I could photoshop.

by supermarioelia on May 13, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know it’s a rough night when my 65-word diatribe in all caps is just seen as par for the course.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

SportsCenter is currently doing a Cliff-Lee-as-Chuck-Norris thing. Pretty dang cool.

by JulioBernazard on May 12, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Behind Sleepy Kitten is another FIST!

by Julie on May 13, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

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