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Game Thread: May 12, 2008 - 19th inning

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Alrighty. Let’s get out of this.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oooh 19th inning

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HIRE THIS THREAD

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HIRE JOHN GIBBONS.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

First three threads were unscored upon. Can the fourth thread maintain?

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GO TRIBE

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully this thread will live a long life

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why is it that i fear the guy pitching the 9th inning for the indians, regardless of name, over the last 5 years. wickman, betancourt, riske, mastny, borowski.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don’t forget the ill-fated Carmona tenure, brief as it was.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Raffy’s been damn unlucky since his arrival in the closer’s spot.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unlucky? He’s been straight bad at times too.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bah.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FUCK

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we lose.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bah. Good job Cliff.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FUCK

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

screw this thread too.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man what the heck Raf.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TRIPLE FUCK

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Onlly the 8th Triple Fuck since 1900

by steincat on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bentancourt has been infected with a serious dose of suckass.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bah, that’s the ballgame. Where did you go, 2007 Betancourt?

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well … that really didn’t work out.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oh fuck

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Idiotic comment about closer-in-tie-games.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

is there any worse pitching feat than giving up 3 runs in one inning to this team?

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I disapprove.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Fuck fuck fuck fuck. What is wrong with Betancourt?

Well, we still have last ups, bitches.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yea, because we’re really good at that scoring runs thing.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how soon will JoBo be back?

by palcal on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Surely, you’re not serious.

by Denver Tribe Fan on May 12, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll just blame Raffy’s suckiness on the fact that it’s the Jays. We all remember last year when he lost the game for us when Byrd pitched that gem.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We do?

Rafi never gave up more than one run in a game all last season.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

13 all year / 12 already this year

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The 1-0 game in the Towers-Byrd showdown. Rios with the gamewinning single to centre.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bloody hell. So much for the ice cream rally.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The total lack of hitting is what continues to disappoint though. Yeah Betancourt sucks here but we haven’t had a baserunner since the 4th!

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Let’s remember that things weren’t great for Raf before he went into the closer’s role either.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Definitely true.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I completely agree.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why are all our relievers’ velocities down?

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FIRE WILLIS

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul Byrd’s dentist retired.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

although Lee does not get the win, at least it’s a no decision for him

by palcal on May 12, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FIRE GIVING A SHIT ABOUT THIS

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn’t even get a complete game (or a shutout). It’s just not fair, I tell ya.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well .. you can’t win them all. We have won two series in a row, that’s all that matters. Let’s keep on chugging.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

but you SHOULD have won this one.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mind you, when you go 18-18, you have to actually win some games you shouldn’t win to make what we call the “post-season”

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I can’t complain too much about this (potential) loss.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

betancourt has given it up in 4 of his last 6 appearances.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can we fire Derek Shelton?

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is Paul Shuey available?

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m still convinced Marte would’ve hit a homer in the 8th

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OBVIOUSLY OMG HE WAS SO DUE

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

if anyone was due for a flukey hit, it was him.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah Marte sucks but it’s hard to defend the Wedge’s decision to pinch hit with nobody on base and 2 outs IIRC

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

switched windows, and Braun knocked Fausto off the leaderboard

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

huh

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cliff Lee pitched 9 scoreless innings. Why aren’t I studying and smiling about our win?

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok, so Betancourt shouldn’t be giving up bunches of runs to the Jays. But when you head for extras knotted at 0-0, you’re asking for trouble.

by baergagaga on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps it has to due with him being wildly ineffective and that Perez was the better bet to begin with.

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

with stairs and overbay coming up, why bring in the guy who absolutely dominates lefties?

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just hate being behind the Twins. I mean, it’s not just the Twins, it’s these Twins.

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The post-Santana Twins. Sigh.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s both.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m glad to see Downs in there isntead of Ryan. We still have a chance, maybe.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BEAT ME TO IT!

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

downs in for ryan … ?

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good news, boys … Ryan is out … and Joe Inglett is “playing” shortstop.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don’t forget Wilkerson, who looked like a butcher out there the other day.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They took out Ryan? Bahahahaha thanks I guess?

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

imagine how good this pitching staff would be if Janssen hadn’t gone down for the year.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Imagine how bad they’d be if they hadn’t spent $100 million on Burnett and Ryan.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Burnett has an option to be FA again this year, no?

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only Indian with any extra base hit in his career against Downs? Casey Blake with two doubles.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I LIE. Garko with a homer.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bah, Gutz.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah Gutz was definitely the guy I wanted to see atbat there.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Idiotic comments about closing mentality.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hate that shit. Clearly it was just that mentality that propelled Borowski to a stellar ~5.50 ERA.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

betancourt with a 6.89ERA. he and gagne should go somewhere together.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

To a Borow-ski resort?

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BWAHAHA

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Proon is going to poink a pronksmash here.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Okay, so he plinked a pronkpoot instead.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the cool breeze Pronk. It was most refreshing.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WILKERSON!

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HIRE OPPOSITE FIELD HITS BY PRONK AT HOME AGAINST THE JAYS

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Alright, Pronk getting it started.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, Hafner!

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Did you see that fucking placement? did you see it?

Also, thank you batboy for not touching that ball.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh, it would’ve been a double either way.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on, Kelly. You’re due.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

...to visit New Pronkville

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh that was an accidental double but I’ll take it. (Hafner still sucks)

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank goodness we don’t have Casey Blake to pinchhit here. And yes, I would use him right here.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought for a second that Tyner was actually going to hit here. Jeez.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Clutch alert on deck

by Pronktastic on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yech … this is where we should have had Blake, Francisco is not exactly a count-worker.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Neither is Blake.

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

= I know nothing about Casey Blake’s approach at the plate

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL whatever. Didn’t Blake strike out in 4 pitches in his glorious pinch hit?

"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In general, though, he sees a ton of pitches.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and usually takes strike 3, in hopes of seeing more.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He isn’t the very best hitter or on-base guy, that is true, but he leads the team in pitches per plate appearance every year. He led the majors in 2004 and 2005, and is among the top 15 or so this year and last year.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

COME ON, BEN.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ok. so when the person in tyner’s slot has a chance to win the game, tyner, with 1 homerun, bats. when getting on base is the only objective, he doesn’t.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not that i want him up here. he doesn’t get on base. i’m still just harpin on him batting last time.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wedge can’t make one game worth of decisions, and you want 2 out of him?

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what is our situation?

by mjschaefer on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2 outs, Hafner on third, Francisco at the plate.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aaand.. Francisco whiffs, ballgame.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and francisco swinging at ball 3.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least we’re wearing him down for the next inning…oh

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FIRE LOSSES

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bah. Ballgame.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

inexcusable. i’m all upset now.

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m mad. We totally wasted that triple play.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GODDAMMIT.

How many innings did we only need to score one f’ing run to win this game.

F F F F F.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Those 3 hours above .500 felt good. I want it back.

by steincat on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and by the way everybody ben fransisco is not a good major league hitter.

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by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Best thing about baseball:

Tomorrow is another day.

by Fiddlesticks on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DEAR ERIC FUCKING WEDGE,

THE TORONTO BLUEJAYS HAVE THREE VERY TALENTED LEFT-HANDED RELIEVERS. CHANCES ARE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE USED LATE IN THE GAME. AND YOU KNEW THAT ONCE YOU USED BLAKE, THAT FRANCISCO WAS YOUR NEXT BEST RIGHT-HANDED OPTION OFF THE BENCH. YET YOU USED BLAKE AGAINST MARCUM. BECAUSE YOU HATE ANDY MARTE. PLEASE REALIZE THAT YOUR HATRED HAS GONE TOO FAR.

Sincerely,

Me.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

(outfield option)

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LETS MAKE UP FOR THIS by SWEEPING THE A’S

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The A’s kinda scare me, actually. Are they for fuckin’ real?

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they seem flukey to me. Their pitching won’t last.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

moral of the story: i

1)indians have starting pitching.

2) wedge still has no clue who is on his team, or, rather, WHY they are on his team.

3) hafner…fuck. see also: garko, peralta, blake, betancourt.

4) andy marte cannot succeed at the major league level because he’s not going to be given the chance to do so.

by xrickx on May 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agree with 1
agree with 2
agree with 3
agree with 4

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 12, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

5.) Cabrera and Gutz. Yowza.

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Right now, I'll take .500 and run. I'm a cheap happy.

by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They won 3 out of 4 against a team with good pitching. So, no need to panic. But …. The hitting is beginning to look like it is not going to get better soon or without some changes. I smell a trade, actually. I can’t see any reason why Jason Tyner is on the 25-man roster except to hold a place for someone else. It may not happen tomorrow, but I can’t believe the FO will waste this kind of starting pitching indefinitely. Right now, they’re at .500 and still in contention. If they keep winning series, Shapiro will have the luxury of waiting. Get your blood pressure medicine out—we’re in for some close games, I fear.

by peter m on May 12, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tonight’s second game batting: embarassing. Just embarassing.

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Blue Jays have a fantastic pitching staff. You can’t really get this upset over a loss. That’s baseball.

We have a big series coming up and I need you guys to pull it together for tomorrow’s game thread. Let’s get a good night’s sleep and rest your fingers.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The hitting performance is worth getting upset about.

The Jays didn’t do that much worse against Lee than Lee’s typical start this season.

Marcum came in with a 2.50 ERA, not 0.00. He’s been great, but not like Lee. And we should be better than that anyway.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen brother. I mean, if a pitcher goes a complete game, and is not Cliff lee, we should expect at least a run, no?

Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 12, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s a guy that has only been giving up only 4 hits a game, has a high K/BB rate and has 6/7 (now 7/8) Quality starts.

I would say he is probably one of the best starters we have faced all year (statistically).

It’s night like last Sunday when we looked dreadful against Meche (a guy we had lit up in the past) with his 6.00 ERA.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True, but he’s not impervious, and no other team has done this badly against him.

His earned runs by game: 3, 1, 2, 4, 2, 0, 2. Average: 2. Median: 2.

Walks allowed by game: 1, 1, 3, 4, 3, 3, 1. Average: 2.3. Median: 3.

Extra-base hits by game: 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 0, 1. Average: 1.9. Median: 2.

In his other scoreless start, the White Sox at least forced him out of the game at 100 pitches before the end of the 7th. They got five baserunners, not two, by drawing three walks, not zero.

I will gladly allow, by the way, that they were pathetic against Carmona and Lee in the same way, but that doesn’t justify our horrendous performance. It isn’t too much to ask our offense to produce at a league-average level, in which case we’d be a .600 team easily.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In defense of the Blue Jays offense, we don’t have Joe Inglett, Jorge Velandia, Shannon Stewart or Kevin Mench starting.

At the quarter pole, we have some lame-ass offensive numbers. On a pace to score 660 runs or so.

by odradek on May 12, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shake it off!

by Julie on May 12, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fine. i hope lebron misses a game winner now.

by Brick. on May 12, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

when can atom miller join our pen?

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wedge sounds very, very grumpy.

Good.

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by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

“Our approach was tonight was poor, if the not the poorest I’ve seen all year. No excuses for it. No excuses. We gave away at-bats all night long.”

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by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uhh, i think by “if the not the poorest” i meant “maybe”

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by vbc3 on May 12, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just can’t shake that our starters went 18 innings today, allowed no runs, and we lost a game.

by supermarioelia on May 12, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And lost a half-game in the standings.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

we need to steal some bullshit win tomorrow in a game we have no business walking away with to balance this out.

by Brick. on May 12, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It is frustrating, but consider that the Jays starters gave up 3 runs in a similar number of innings and also lost a game. You’re going to lose some close games. The infuriating part here is not this game—it’s a month and a half of games where the Indians basically don’t hit.

by peter m on May 12, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but we actually had scored 3+ runs in our last six games — three 3’s, a 5, a 6 and a 12. Looked like we might be coming out of it.

by Jay on May 12, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it’s possible we still are. We’ve had quite an outburst against a pretty decent pitching staff and, while it is frustrating, it’s not unheard of that we could get shut out by a pitcher like Marcum and still be on the right track.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on May 13, 2008 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I kinda hoped so too. But, it doesn’t look like it. Over the past 7 games (Yankees/Jays), the Indians as a team are at .319/.373/.691. For the year, it’s .318/.357/.675. Not much change. The double header obviously pulled the week’s totals down, but the team’s averages for these series are not better.

by peter m on May 13, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs