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Did not trade LHP Aaron Laffey to Anyone for Anything

Did not acquire 3B Garret Atkins from the Colorado Rockies for LHP Aaron Laffey or Anyone Else

Did not discuss trading LHP Aaron Laffey at any point this season

Did not even get quoted off-the-record about trading LHP Aaron Laffey

Did not trade LHP Aaron Laffey

Would be crazy to trade LHP Aaron Laffey

Will badly need LHP Aaron Laffey next season when Sabathia and Byrd are gone

Will not be trading LHP Aaron Laffey

I hope this clears things up.


Why is this even a story?

This started with Buster Olney, who wrote this on his blog last week:

Down the road, one possible move that might make some sense (and to be clear, this is pure speculation): If Colorado eventually turns the page on 2008, the Indians and the Rockies could match up well in a deal built around Garrett Atkins. The Rockies have a third baseman waiting in the wings, in Ian Stewart -- although he is not faring well so far -- and the Indians, as they look for ways to improve their offense, are flexible at first and third base.

Note that Olney:

  1. Makes very clear that this is pure speculation
  2. Never mentions Aaron Laffey

So how did Olney's idle speculation which has nothing to do with Aaron Laffey somehow morph into a persistent mumbling that Aaron Laffey might get traded?

Well, the non-news site MLB Trade Rumors picked up on the Olney "story" — that is, the "story" that Olney had engaged in "pure speculation" about something — and yes, that's right, people, that's not a story, and in fact, it's not even a rumor.  Nevertheless, no scrap is too slight to bear repeating on MLB Trade Rumors, so they dutifully reported the non-story and non-rumor of Olney's "pure speculation."  They then added this:

What would it take for the Indians to acquire Atkins?  Adam Miller would be too much.  Would Aaron Laffey and Josh Barfield be enough?

Please Note:  For those who are sloppy readers or just skimming the site, just because I'm blockquoting the above doesn't make it true.  It's not true, and not only is it not true, it's totally idiotic.  I'm just blockquoting it because that's what we do here when we're posting a section of anothe article.  So the first paragraph of this blockquote is not true, not valid and not important.

From there, it apparently got picked up by someone or other on sports radio, and we know what tremendous standards of reportage those guys have, plus at least one other blog I've never heard of (and here's a hint, buddy, if you're not reporting anything, then it isn't really a "Report," now, is it?).

Let us be clear about something:  MLB Trade Rumors is not a news site, just as this site right here is not a news site.  We convey news about the Indians, but only as reported by other major news outlets (or, of course, on Facebook).

So the fact that something appears on MLB Trade Rumors doesn't make it a real story.  All they do is post links to other people reporting stuff — and sometimes, they're not even links to reports.  It could be links to rumors, or things being reported as being rumored, or even just idle speculation, as in this case.

This story?  Not only is it not a story, it's not even a rumor.  And not only is it not a rumor, even if it were a rumor, Aaron Laffey isn't even in it!

UPDATE:  MLB Trade Rumor's creator, Tim Dierkes, points out that the word "speculation" was prominent in the headline of this entry on his site:  "Olney Speculation:  Atkins A Fit For Indians?"  A fair point, but my point was not to say that MLB Trade Rumors was at fault per se, but rather that they're part of a whole system that spread misinformation in this instance, whether or not that's their intent, and it's fair to say that this is a regular occurrence. [Jay]


So, to recap:

  • We are not trading for Garret Atkins.
  • Nobody has reported that we are trading for Garret Atkins.
  • There is no rumor that we are trading for Garret Atkins.
  • Nobody has reported that there is a rumor that we are trading for Garret Atkins.
  • Only one guy has even speculated that the Indians might be a team that would like to have Garret Atkins.
  • That one guy doesn't know much about the Indians, or putting together a ballclub, or OPS+.
  • Aaron Laffey is not being traded.
  • Nobody has reported that Aaron Laffey is being traded.
  • There is no rumor that Aaron Laffey is being traded.
  • Nobody has reported that there is a rumor that Aaron Laffey is being traded.
  • Nobody has speculated that Aaron Laffey is being traded.
  • Even the guy who speculated that the Indians might want Garret Atkins didn't say that the Indians will or would or should trade Aaron Laffey to get him, or to get anybody else.
  • Only one web site has suggested that the Indians should consider trading Laffey for Atkins, and that web site just regurgitates web links and has no original sources of any kind.
  • And their analysis is stupid.
  • And Aaron Laffey is not being traded.

So ... Olney ... MLBTR ... blog I've never heard of ... you all speculated on something stupid, and repeated and linked it mindlessly, and now it's become a rumor based on nothing.  Nice work, people.

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I think we could get Atkins for Laffey and a piece. Maybe Snyder?

by afh4 on May 16, 2008 12:43 AM EDT   0 recs

Laffey and Lee for Jason Bay (proven middle-of-the-order bat) and Matt Morris (proven Winner)

by APV on May 16, 2008 12:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No sense trading a proven winner for a proven winner. Remember, Lee won 18 games in 2005 and finished fourth in the Cy Young voting. That’s what makes him valuable to this team!

by still ill on May 16, 2008 1:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do believe Mr. Morris retired after getting released last week link

by talonk on May 16, 2008 1:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Retirement? Pssh. Have we learned nothing from Keith Foulke?

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 16, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

“That one guy doesn’t know much about the Indians, or putting together a ballclub, or OPS+.”

Well played, sir.

by vegaswatch on May 16, 2008 12:53 AM EDT   0 recs

Why thank you.

by Jay on May 16, 2008 1:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m thinking Laffey for a big bat to help the team this year.

by PatBordersHelmet on May 16, 2008 12:54 AM EDT   0 recs

How do we get one of those Pronk Launch widgets? Or the “Ben Francisco Watch”?

Can somebody build a widget called “Ben Francisco Regression Watch” where it just shows his OPS relative to his equivalent OPS based on his minor league stats? So if he was .10 over the widget would say +.10 or -.10?

And, yes, I anticipate 6 sarcastic remarks of “Can you explain the regression watch widget more completely? I don’t think I understand it.”

by afh4 on May 16, 2008 1:05 AM EDT   0 recs

Are you wearing something frilly right now? Be honest.

by Jay on May 16, 2008 1:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No. But my bedspread has pineapples on it. But like those classy pineapples. As in, “Welcome to my home in the antebellum South!” pineapples.

by afh4 on May 16, 2008 1:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LAFFEY-MANIA IS RUNNING WILD ON LGT

by Toxicadam on May 16, 2008 1:18 AM EDT   0 recs

Is that Buster Olney up front, with ketchup all over the front of his new nightgown?

by steincat on May 16, 2008 9:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No – Robert Smith (you know, from the Cure)

by peter m on May 16, 2008 10:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rimshot, veal, rec

by aufrank on May 16, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cmon, Robert Smith is a good guy, pre-med and all. He’d been retired for yours before that incident. Besides, he’s a Buckeye and aren’t all Buckeyes choir boys? ;)

You are really stretching to get a joke here.

by talonk on May 16, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not streching – the Viking Robert Smith’s pic was used in the who’s Robert Smith of the Cure? line of posts in the gamethread from Wednesday night … and there’s a boat in the pic.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on May 16, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok, my bad .. I didn’t read the gamethread from Wed nite. I thought this was an attempt at putting him with that infamous bye week boat trip that got a lot of Vikings in trouble two or three years ago.

Sorry.

by talonk on May 16, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was looking at Laffey’s splits and lefties were batting .074 against him going into today’s game. I would imagine that will decrease some after todays game.

What’s the point in keeping Breslow if we have Laffey?

by Toxicadam on May 16, 2008 1:39 AM EDT   0 recs

Do we still have Bresslov?

by odradek on May 16, 2008 9:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn’t he the new president of Russia?

by APV on May 16, 2008 9:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t understand the question.

Breslow is in the bullpen.

Laffey is in the rotation.

Sowers will be going back down tomorrow.

by Jay on May 16, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But what happens when Westbrook and Borowski come back?

by Toxicadam on May 16, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Precisely!

by Roger Dorn on May 16, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s when we trade CC for Matsui and DFA Breslow.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 16, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just don’t see what Breslow has to do with the rotation.

I doubt Laffey will be headed to the bullpen anytime soon.

by Jay on May 16, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A joke. Breslow is so rarely used…

by odradek on May 16, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A situational lefty in search of a situation?

by peter m on May 16, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Something like this happened over here once, although it was always intended as a hoax.

Despite the obvious warning at the bottom, it was still picked up by local and national newspapers, and printed as being based in some fact.

I would note that our papers are much much more obsessed with trade/transfer rumours than you guys seem to be.

Referring back to the Indians…I am pleased that Laffey isn’t going anywhere…he’s certainly increasing his value. Lets hope when they do eventually made Laffey Taffey it doesn’t have the same affect as the Pronk bars!

http://www.on-the-bench.blogspot.com - an irreverant take on EPL football (that's soccer!)

by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on May 16, 2008 7:27 AM EDT   0 recs

Last I heard, trade speculation was one of the fun things about baseball. So if Olney or MLBTR wants to throw out an idea, I’m all for it.

by DixonCayne on May 16, 2008 7:46 AM EDT   0 recs

Yes, it’s fun if you keep these things at face value. But when the Internet plays Telephone with a rather inocuous musing by Buster Olney (who is generally very good, btw, at reporting actual trades) and words it like the Indians and Rockies are in heated trade discussions, readers take that post as face value and calls in some sports talk station.

For instance:

Olney: You know, the Indians and Rockies seem to match up with third baseman and starting pitchers.
Rumor Site: I think Laffy for Atkins make sense.
Radio Caller: OMG! The Indians are trading Laffey for Atkins1!

That’s why we stick to actual linked new articles, and include the actual context of the statement.

by Ryan on May 16, 2008 8:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What’s funny to me is that the "legitimate" news sources are starting to be more of the incendiary sources or just perpetuating the fanning of the fire.
Meanwhile, a place like this cuts through the muck to identify the origin and evolution of the nonsense.

That really is upside down if you think about it. Good point. You just got rec’d.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 16, 2008 10:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

AND, Jay manages to do all of this muck-cutting while wearing a bathrobe and living in his parents’ basement. Get it? ‘Cause he’s a blogger!

by aufrank on May 16, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wag The Dog meets MLB trade rumors …

Conrad ‘Connie’ Brean: And it’s most certainly NOT about the B-3 bomber.

John Levy: There is no B-3 bomber.

Conrad ‘Connie’ Brean: I just said that! There is no B-3 bomber. I don’t know how these rumors get started!

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on May 16, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

somehow I keep picturing the chain-smoking Martin Short character Nathan Thurm for this scene

by talonk on May 16, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t mind trade speculation, I like it just fine. But there’s a carelessness here that allows the speculation to become talked about like a news story.

We’ve had to de-bunk this rumor in about six different threads on this site alone — on other sites, it’s probably not getting de-bunked at all. I decided the de-bunking needed to be forceful, and on the front page, which for some folks is all that they read here.

by Jay on May 16, 2008 12:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, you really e-warriored the crap out of this rumor.

by fleerdon on May 16, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

So….what’s your point?

by Roger Dorn on May 16, 2008 8:10 AM EDT   0 recs

Howzabout Aaron Laffey for Joba Chamberlain? I understand that Joba guy gets amped over May baseball.

by elsandito on May 16, 2008 8:24 AM EDT   0 recs

That first part has a real nice Dr. Suess quality to it. I think I’ll read it at bed-time.

by 94neverout on May 16, 2008 8:44 AM EDT   0 recs

I would be beside myself with joy if Garet Atkins (I’d call him Adkins just for the hell of it) just so I could link back to this post. It would be heavenly.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 16, 2008 9:17 AM EDT   0 recs

I’d be beside myself with joy if I could figure out what you’re trying to say in this word-deprived post.

by tabler84 on May 16, 2008 9:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

King of Hindsight

What else is new.

by Jay on May 16, 2008 9:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You’re still upset that I was right about Hafner, Lee and CC long before there was clear what was going to really happen.

Here’s what I’m trying to say: it next to impossible to predict what will happen in baseball, unless, of course you’re talking about the Indians playing the Yankees. Even I don’t have enough self confidence to be this positive about what might happen on the trade front. I could see this trade happening – and admittedly it’s not even long shot. It’s about as likely as the Rays being in first place in the AL East and the Yankees in last on May 15. Possible, but not very probable.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 16, 2008 9:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

your powers of prediction failed on the Cavs game the other night. You, sir, owe me a beer :)

by aufrank on May 16, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I will gladly both acknowledge my fallibility and buy you a beer – or six for that matter. Just tell me where and when.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 16, 2008 12:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Even a stopped clock it right twice a day.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on May 16, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It was actually Bruce “Why Do I Have a TV Show” Drennan who picked it up for the non-Internet world to hear. Bruce has a history of running with anything—anything—that he hears as a rumor.

Then radio picked it up. I actually heard them talk about it on the call-in shows, and to their credit both guys said no way they’re giving up Laffey.

I’m glad you squashed this. I tried unsuccessfully to explain the difference between idle speculation and a rumor in the game thread a few nights ago.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 16, 2008 9:42 AM EDT   0 recs

in hindsight i probably shouldnt have said anything…just thought it was interesting and thought provoking at first

There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...

by HireRockyColavito on May 16, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To add to the speculation, Ken Rosenthal speculates that the Rockies might prefer to trade Matt Holliday and mentions the Indians as a possibly interested party. I hear that the D’backs are trying to unload that Brandon Webb guy. Maybe we could trade for some decent starters while we’re at it—think they’d be interested in Barfield?

by peter m on May 16, 2008 9:47 AM EDT   0 recs

The internet is a wonderful place.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 16, 2008 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

I’m going to call up sports radio and float a Laffey for Bonds rumor.

I figure it will be at least an hour before someone points out the obvious.

by PatBordersHelmet on May 16, 2008 10:15 AM EDT   0 recs

I’m kind of intrigued by the concept of trolling sports radio.

Not that anyone should ever do that, of course.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 16, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It may seem fun, but each minute of AM sports talk = -1 IQ point. I don’t have any hard data on this, but I’m pretty sure I’ve degraded my intellect quite a bit over the past few years.

by PatBordersHelmet on May 16, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I finally stopped torturing myself with Colin Cowherd. This was a great step forward in my mental health.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 16, 2008 10:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Listening to the local guys in Cleveland is like sitting in the dark, but that Cowherd guys is what I would imagine waterboarding to be like.

by PatBordersHelmet on May 16, 2008 10:25 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Like sitting in the dark with a 6-year old whining and asking “why?”, “why?” all the time. Plus commercials.

by peter m on May 16, 2008 10:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I seriously punched my radio at least four times in my Cowherd listening career.

I… It was cathartic?

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by AngG on May 16, 2008 10:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My Cowherd career recently ended. His scope is so narrow. Funny for a few days.

by dgcambridge on May 16, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I very seldom get the signal, but don’t mind them (WTAM) as much anymore. I think they’re better now than they’ve ever been. It’s pretty clear the voices and their interns are mining the blogs, but they’re making an effort to be more insightful and deserve some credit (The -TAM hosts gently mock the callers who insist we should bring Kenny back, for example). AM radio pretty much sucks by definition, but the Cleveland Sports talkers are not especially bad at the craft.

by jhon on May 16, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What, you don’t like hearing him talk about the SAME THING OVER AND OVER for 2 plus hours?

by emd2k3 on May 16, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally, I like how he steals material and sends his listeners to DDOS people.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 16, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What? that Omar persuaded Bonds to exercise his no-trade clause because Cleveland is such an awful place to play?

by peter m on May 16, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wendigo er, I mean Way to Go, Jay!

by Fiddlesticks on May 16, 2008 11:21 AM EDT   0 recs

MLBTR. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

by fleerdon on May 16, 2008 1:51 PM EDT   2 recs

it’s not so bad as long as you don’t read it for more than it is. It’s largely a collection of links to other stories, each which have their own varying degrees of authenticity (as it pertains to sourcing). As long as you never think of it as more than that, it’s not terrible. Same with sites like Rotoworld.

by APV on May 16, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

you’re really on a SW kick today …. very nice.

by talonk on May 16, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, this is good stuff right here. I recommend a good Star Wars-related post.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 16, 2008 4:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

same

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by Gradyforpresident on May 16, 2008 4:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That post needs to turn green.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 16, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i did my part

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 16, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In the baseball world, maybe.

But Pro Football Talk’s daily rumor mill takes the cake for all major sports.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 16, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree, th