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Game Forty-Two: Reds 4, Indians 3

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Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Jhonny Peralta .168 Jensen Lewis -.270
Rafael Perez .136 Asdrubal Cabrera -.161
Travis Hafner .119 Jeremy Sowers -.120

Jeremy Sowers gave up the first earned runs by a Cleveland starter in almost a week, three runs in the first three innings. But he stuck around long enough to give the Indians reasonable shot of winning the game. Three runs is a lot for this offense to make up, but at least it was in the realm of possibility. Five runs would have been totally out of reach.

Johnny Cueto only allowed one base runner in his first five innings of work (he walked Jeremy Sowers, naturally), and looked like he was going to go the distance, if not accomplish even higher feats. But he fell apart in the sixth, giving three home runs to the first four batters he faced. To give credit, though, he kept the game tied after the Indians got two more baserunners on after the three home runs.

The Indians also had  an opportunity in the seventh after Casey Blake doubled with one out. After Franklin Gutierrez hit a broken-bat liner to second, Grady Sizemore was walked, and a Joey Votto error loaded the bases. But David Dellucci grounded out to second to end the inning. In hindsight, perhaps holding Gutierrez back would have kept Jared Burton in the game; instead, the Reds brought in Jeremy Affeldt to face Dellucci.

The Reds took the lead in the eighth without a hard-hit ball. Jensen Lewis walked Brandon Phillips to start the inning, and then Joey Votto hit a very catchable fly ball down the left field line. Unfortunately, with David Dellucci playing no-doubles defense, he had no shot of a catching a ball he normally can get to. Lewis did the rest, walking both Edwin Encarnacion and Adam Dunn to bring in the winning run.

 

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I know it’s not popular around these parts to second guess pitching changes, but I was in favor of leaving Perez in over JLew

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i thought we were big fans of questioning pitching changes? I know that prior to last year, I thought Wedge did a terrible job with pitching changes. Last year I thought he did very well. This year..eh….

by APV on May 17, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don’t want to get called out for hindsight being 20/20. A guy like Perez, that is successful against both sides of the plate, shouldn’t be pulled unless he is struggling

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didn’t mind the pitching change so much. what bothered me the most was how wedge did all the “NL-style” things last night. The double switch resulting in Carroll hitting 2nd in the 9th inning was a head scratcher. I didn’t like using Gutz when he did, especially bc it meant that the 2nd best defensive outfielder would not get a chance to field. The combination of Dellucci staying in left and the inane no doubles defense resulted in the winning run. If i am gonna second guess Wedge last night it is that. Having a not-that-great LF playing a step in front of the track with a RHP facing a LHB seemed dumb, especially in a smallish park. Isn’t the ball flight we saw the more likely outcome in that matchup than a smoked line drive over Dellucci’s head or a smash down the line?

I looked up Votto’s hit chart on mlb.com, and it looks like he hits the ball more to left field at home (but there are no splits vs LHP/RHP on it, and i couldnt figure out how to view his whole season hit chart). That might have played into the decision. And it probably makes this comment a classic, pointless second guess. Sometime’s it’s just fun to complain

by mpstable on May 17, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, NL fans (and the opposing dugout) must have been snickering about that move.

by Jay on May 17, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had the same thought, but after looking more closely at the box, it’s not so clear. Perez had already faced six batters — and he wasn’t totally cruising, he gave up two solid hits to the outfield (I think).

So leaving him in means that he’s going L-vs-R against one of their best hitters as his 7th batter, presumably with the goal of getting him to the lefty coming up next (Votto). While Perez has been effective against righties, he’s more effective against lefties, so leaving him in to face R-L-R-L as batters 7-8-9-10 is at least not much of a percentage play.

The bigger issue is that Wedge doesn’t feel he can go to another lefty. There’s a leverage paradox here - once Julio is done, you can’t win without getting nine more outs - but there’s a tendency to push hard to go scorless for the next six outs, because otherwise, the last three outs might not even happen. It’s the whole Torre/Rivera thing, i.e., why bother saving your best pitcher for a certain scenario if your second-best pitcher can’t get you there?

I would argue that throwing your best guys out there in the 7th and the road is essentially a lot like playing for the tie, and you don’t do that on the road. Wedge hasn’t had to use his middle relief corps much, but when your starter only goes 5 IP, that’s what happens. So we should have seen something more like this:

Julio: Phillips, Votto, Encarnacion (R-L-R)
Breslow: Dunn, Bako (L-L) and then wait for Reds to send up righty PH
Lewis: PH Ross, Friel, Hairston (R-R-R)

Now ideally, you’ve gotten six outs out of those eight batters, so it’s already the end of the 8th. If Lewis is cruising, you could even leave him in to face Griffey and Phillips. More likely, though, this is the time to put in Perez, your best lefty and one of your best high-leverage guys in general:

Perez: Griffey, Phillips, Votto, Encarnacion, Dunn, Bako (L-R-L-R-L-L)

Now you’ve still got their best righy up against the lefty Perez, but he’s a lot more fresh at that point.

Now, I’m not saying that Dunn and Bako are trivial hitters, but if you can’t trust your second lefty to face two lefties down in the batting order, then why use that lost bullpen spot on a lefty at all? Why not have a righty that you trust just a little bit?

Anyway, my main point is that if you’re willing to put Breslow in for those two batters, the rest of the bullpen management becomes really easy from that point on.

by Jay on May 17, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For some reason it just reminded me a lot of the old Grover switcheroo. My worst fear when switching relievers is that the guy you are bringing in can’t find the strike zone that particular night. If that’s the case, and you are afraid of using any of the other guys in your pen in a high leverage situation, then you have effectively burnt one of your best guys already and are completely relying on the guy that might have spotty control. Pretty much your point with Breslow

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Jay’s right about not using Breslow, which is why the fact that both he and Julio have barely pitched is a problem—they’re just bodies in chairs, not actual roster members who you can use in most game situations (this is less true for Julio, but still partly true).

Had he used Breslow, Perez might have pitched the 8th (or Wedge would have had that option), but there was really nothing wrong with using Lewis in that situation except for the fact that he pitched poorly. If he’d pitched well (a strong likelihood, given his recent performance), he might have also pitched the 9th in the event the game was still tied, or you could have gone to Masa if they took the lead.

I can’t really fault Wedge for using Lewis at that point. I can fault him (and the team) for having a bullpen with 2+ guys who rarely pitch and whom you don’t trust.

And the relief pitching didn’t lose the game, even though Lewis pitched poorly. The hitting did—5 hits won’t cut it. This game was winnable, but they need to bunch some hits together and have actual rallies. It’s still not happening.

by peter m on May 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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