Game Thread: May 18, 2008
by Ryan on May 18, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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Cleveland at Cincinnati, 1:15 PM (WKYC)
Michael Aubrey is in the lineup, his first major-league start. At this rate, he'll have more at-bats than Andy Marte by the time Joe Borowski gets off the Disabled List.
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Did I miss the memo where Pronk was deemed unable to play in the field? I know it was just one homer, but it’s kinda weird we haven’t seen him since.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
You missed a lot of memos. Don’t throw at Phillips, Anyone but Marte, Hafner can’t play the field, Closer by committee until Joebo saves us, etc
Mario didn’t miss the “Anyone but Marte” memo, trust me.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets hope Clifford can get us out of town with a win. I feel like I am in bizzaro world, with the Reds having good, young starting pitching and position players. It was a lot easier to live with Reds fans when their team didn’t have much of a future.
I’d settle for a few runs. This lineup against Volquez, I expect a shutout.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy with the 0.67 ERA is the one who sagely pointed out that it’s hard to win when you don’t score.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This lineup makes me wanna puke. It might be bad enough that another terrible offensive performance today won’t even spur any moves tomorrow on the offday.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
Jamie Carroll has gotten on base twice in his last 19 plate appearances. So let’s bat him second!
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, and he’s struck out in 7 of those 19. That’s the guy you want following Grady.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That looks like fun; I’m not waiting for the 0-4.
FE WEE!
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope I’m wrong with all of these negative posts.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
Why the hell is Garko not in there? He’s really been heating it up. Wedge must be “saving him” to pinch hit because in his world, 1 AB is more productive than 4.
Give Marte a Chance.
Gark’s right-left splits for the year are pretty atrocious in a SSS, but I think the bigger issue is that his atbats are still atrocious despite some better results in the past few games. He hasn’t had a game off since the Yankees series, so I really don’t mind the day off today.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
With Aubrey on the roster, Hafner is now #5 on the depth chart at his defensive position. Good thing he hits so well, or else his roster spot might be in jeopardy.
Alright so who would’ve thunk in April that on May 18th our lineup would have Francisco and Aubrey in the 5 and 6 holes against the #2 starter ERA-wise in baseball. Oh, and Carroll would be batting second. And that Andy Marte would still be sitting. Welcome to the bizarro world.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Andy in the only place he knows:
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on May 18, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, he’s got a glove! How cute. I guess he’s hoping to get a chance to catch a foul ball, and then maybe Blake will autograph it for him.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Canada-Russia in the final of the world hockey championships. Wee!
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
Naw it’s yearly. And involves only players that have already been knocked out of the NHL playoffs (which by this point is nearly everyone) and players that agree to play. Nevertheless, it’s still damn exciting. Russia has Ovechkin and Kovalchuk on the roster, while Canada has Heatley and Nash. The Olympics are way bigger than this though.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Wedge would actually be one helluva hockey coach. Only playing gritty white guys? Yeah he’d fit in juuuust fine.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where is all this talk of the Reds as a team with more of a future coming from? We have 2 young pitchers (Carmona and Laffey) who have been absolutely dominant this year, and two middle-aged pitchers (Westbrook and Lee) who will be good for a while, and some pitchers with potential (Atom Miller and Sowers). Isn’t this better than anything the Reds have? Also, aren’t their best hitters other than Brandon Phillips really old?
Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.
by FaustosSinkingFastball on May 18, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
holy shit
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 18, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
hegan saying for sure it hit him
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT THE NOUN
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
you know what, i totally dropped my wedge hating after i migrated here last year, but my wedge hating is back and stronger than ever because of his mistreatment of manny
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure it’s happened in a WS before interleague play..
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 18, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah I just assumed they meant 1-2 in the majors. Leaders in each league makes it less cool.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
in play no out
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
Haha Carroll? Really? I still stand by my assertion that he should be batting second. BUT WAY TO GO GNOME!
shouldn’t be
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I MEANT SHOULDN’T! SHOULDN”T! Thanks for the catch.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a little surprised we’ve had 16 RISPs. Does that count the three guys that trotted through Scoring Position after hitting homers?
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s just awesome.
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
how the fuck is that a strike
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Didn’t look that bad. You radio’ing it?
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
gameday haha, and radio, but gameday had the first pitch to victor at his neck
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
is that really a surprise? i think im gonna start doing other things while the indians hit, and just stick around and watch the pitchers
ok seriously, victor isn’t even hitting. fire fucking shelton today, we are more talented than this, i’m babbling
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
Casey Blake couldn’t hold Andy Gonzalez’s jock.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bisons would be competitive in the NL Central.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ok guys, dellucci is blowing hard at the moment, why not play gutz once in a freaking while? hell i’ll even let you keep ben fran in left
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
oh great
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
This Reds broadcast has been full of hilarious stats. Cliff Lee hasn’t thrown over to first once this season.
here it is
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
crap 2 baserunners… this never happens
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on May 18, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
oh what the fuck
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
walk him. I WANT PHILLIPS
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
why do we always suck on sundays?
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on May 18, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
gotta love being a cleveland fan
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on May 18, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cliff Lee is the only guy on this team I don’t have some sort of issue with. BenFran, Perez and Grady receive honourable mention.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no problem with manny marte or fausto or laffey
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Laffey I’ll give you. I have issue with Fausto’s walks.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
see i don’t care about his walks, well I do, but it’s not an issue with me anymore
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought shoppach was lee’s catcher now
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
so play him at 1st?
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You can take Aubrey out and play Vic at first though. Vic’s usually really good at blocking balls though, so he made a mistake. This is just as bad as dumping on Kobayashi for giving up that HR yesterday.
anyway, i wasn’t suggesting it, just wondering
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
anyway, i wasn’t suggesting it, just wondering
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
no
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
well, we knew this was gonna happen sooner or later. did we really think this guy wouldnt give up a run all season
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on May 18, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
It’s just a testament to putting the ball in play. Like Garko yesterday, who watched strike three when a runner was on third base with one out. At some point in time, these guys are going to be done shitting their pants with runners on base. Fearing failure is one thing, but this level of failure isn’t sustainable. The offense will come alive.
ben fran has an unsustainable babip
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
you know how we joke about fausto’s leadoff walks just being “setting up the double play”?
leadoff doubles are just the indians way of “setting up the 0-3 risp inning”
by mpstable on May 18, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wow fuck aubrey
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
i’m really depressed that jordan brown is hurt
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Still, another unproductive out. The pitch to hit today is the changeup, which has been up in the zone all day.
FIRE CABRERA
That should heat him up.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i have more faith in lee hitting than blake
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
hire the 1948 lineup… even at 90 they can still hit better than us
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on May 18, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
lee will hit a home run
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
HE THREW AT HIM!
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
FUCK
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
yes
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha you missed the Manny Marte memo apparently.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
His middle name is Manuel. And no one can hate a guy named Manny Marte.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny’s got 500 homers and still can’t get any playing time? Blake must have, like 714, right?
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A friend of mine just asserted that my love for Marte coloured my criticism of Blake on that 2-0 take. Can someone reassure me that I was being objective?
The 2-0 pitch was absolutely on a tee. Sabathia would have crushed it.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright thanks guys.
Also, Dellucci is a beast.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
haha I can’t believe that they prefaced the “White Sox beat Zito” comment with “The White Sox are playing good again”
Lincecum and Carmona are in the same Hitters without Run Support therapy group.
by Pronk33 on May 18, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yahoo’s situational stats only give me the number, no idea when it came.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody find pitchers hitting remotely entertaining? Not in the “look at this AL pitcher who never gets to bat taking a few hacks up there” interesting. But really worthwhile?
Why not? Volquez didn’t look any worse in the box than Blake.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i much prefer watching major league pitchers attempt to retire major league hitters. all the talk of strategy and tradition is bunk. hating the DH and wanting pitchers to keep hitting is a textbook case of wanting to keep something old just bc it is old.
it would be like arguing that we need to go back to peach baskets instead of hoops with nets in basketball, bc “that’s the way the game was meant to be played”
On the other hand, there is no reason why pitchers can be effective batters, and there have been many of them in the history of the game. Although I’ll concede that you have a right to your opinion without my attaching a debasing label on it.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
who the fuck is paul janish and why are we not getting him out on 3 pitches
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
oh fuck me
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, a Janish with Proons sounds like a delightful breakfast.
by Pronk33 on May 18, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
52 through 3 for lee
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
I smirked when I heard BP was almost hit by that broken bat.
In-game poll: Am I going to hell? VOTE NOW.
no
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If Marte acts like a smug asshole when he succeeds, then yes, I disown him as a son.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
no. phillips is a douchebag, manny is just screwed
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you really don’t get it, do you? Has nothing whatever to do with the Indians front office.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
remember the campaign last year to find hafner’s mojo?
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
i have turned on aubrey faster than anyone else in the history of baseball
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
if droobs gets on and casey walks again i will laugh
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Is this Aubrey kid playing only to be showcased for a possible trade?
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series
it fucking hit him
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
First pitch I’ve seen – great
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
toss volquez this is bullshit he’s hit two of our guys
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
hahahahha watch casey walk here
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
You realize that between him and Hafner we’d be paying upwards of $20 million for our DH this year, right?
Unless you are Barry Bonds or his agent then you can’t comment definitively on what it would cost.
We can say it would likely cost x amount but we don’t know unless we kick the tires.
Kicking the tires is setting a very low bar, so yeah, there’s no offensive reason why it shouldn’t be done. But realistically, it’ll cost a lot, and you heap that onto what we’re paying Hafner already for almost no production (which basically constitutes raising the white flag on that entire signing), and you end up with an unreasonably large proportion of this team’s payroll going to the DH spot. Not worth it.
I mean, if we kick the tires and Bonds comes back and says, “I’ll play for league minimum,” then yeah. But it’s not happening.
Bonds could be shifted around. He could play below average ledt field but it wouldn’t kill us.
Grady and Gutz cover above average ground in the outfield.
DH, LF, maybe even some first base if he would consider it.
We could get 70-80 games out of him.
But now we’re just paying for a utility guy, and one who only plays half the time anyway. “Diminishing returns” doesn’t even begin to cover it. And I want to see Francisco in LF, not Bonds. He’s one of the few guys on this offense that doesn’t deserve to get replaced. I get what you’re driving at, but Bonds just doesn’t fit our needs. He can’t play any of the positions we need to fill, and he almost certainly won’t fit in our price range.
Who’s to say that his price isn’t falling by the day?
With all due respect to Francisco he is not going to put up the numbers that Bonds has in the past. The only thing we have to balance is whether Bonds will put up solid numbers and whether he will be a distraction.
If both of those question marks are favorable then we should make an attempt at signing him.
And that utility guy comment is useless. We will be paying for offense, not a defensive mainstay.
Re: price falling. I dunno. Barry Bonds, I guess. He has no incentive to come back and play, and certainly not for us, so why would he lower his asking price at all? He’s got bigger things to worry about. He’s not desperate for playing time or money. We, on the other hand, are very desperate, which means he’d have all the leverage.
You seriously would rather have 44-yo, declining, hasn’t played all year, no defense, no baserunning, planet Earth’s resident asshole Barry Bonds over 26-yo Ben Francisco? Really? It isn’t a question of whether or not Francisco would be better than some past version of Bonds (clearly he wouldn’t), it’s a question of who would be better today. I’ll take the guy with upside over the guy with none, who’s only going to play 50% of the time anyway. Of all the moves we can make, this one is trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
I don’t think so.
Barry Bond’s OBP numbers were flat out ridiculous last year. His baserunning abilities isn’t really important to me, and as long as he hits he can be an asshole to the media all he wants.
We are not going to sign him to a long term contract so I think that the upside thing is pretty unimportant. Franciso does deserve a shot, but if Bonds can put up the numbers he did last year then we would be costing ourselves many runs by not signing him.
He’s just everything the front office has NOT targeted in the players it pursues. Signing Bonds counters the whole talk of “character” people the Indians want in uniform. And honestly, that may be enough reason to dissuade Shapiro.
hey so when i click reply it shows up some of my previous comments already typed in … weird
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
refreshing the page fixed it
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything Phillips does makes me want to scream FUCK YOU. This time he’s trying to push Cabrera off the base.
RUNSSSS
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
Blaske RISP – money
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on May 18, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
lee should try to bunt
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
FIrst hit in the series with men in scoring position.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 18, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand we suck, but that wasn’t our first hit in the series. Maybe it’s just me.
Tribe fan from far, far away
Especially since we had 10 hits yesterday.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 18, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be way more entertained by reading the book that’s sitting directly to my right, yet i continue to listen to this bullshit
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
where in the world by osama bin laden, by morgan spurlock the guy that did super size me
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha … where in the world is osama bin laden
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao, I thought he wrote a book about where he was.
And we STILL couldn’t find him.
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Could be the phone book without making the statement untrue.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
so scared, so scared
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh. And Dunn is nothing more than a glorified Russell Branyan.
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series
64 through 4 for cliff
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
I for one am thrilled that we don’t have tools like Brandon Phillips or Milton Bradley on our team. We may suck, but at least we suck with integrity.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to school in Boston so I had a choice: Go through college with zero friends or put up with their annoyingness
god will judge you for this
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by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m fine with it too. I like Asdrubal Cabrera. And who’s to say that Phillips turns into anything remotely close to what he is if he was still with the Indians?
I’m not interested enough to ask how you connect Phillips to Kouz. I’ll just point out that your team really has to suck if you’re pining for Kouzmanoff.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“Who is better, Blake or Kouzmanoff?” isn’t a question, it’s a koan.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, through Barfield, I see; but that presupposes that Phillips, who absolutely sucked donkey balls when with us, would have stopped sucking.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He really wasn’t that terrible in Buffalo when he lost the job to Jhonny. If you have talent, you have talent
I feel the need to answer this every time it comes up.
It is brutally unfair to everybody involved — Phillips and Wedge in particular — to lump Phillips in with Bradley. Bradley had or has serious anger management problems that led him to be openly insubordinate, to dust-ups with fans and umpires and coaches, and on more than one occasion, to criminal charges.
Phillips is just a little more smug and a little less coachable than you’d like, but that is a far cry from Bradley.
by Jay on May 18, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I only connect Phillips and Bradley in that I think they’re both tools. From different drawers, perhaps, and yes Bradley has legitimate medical issues, so they’re not the same. But I don’t like them, and I’m glad they’re not on the team I root for.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, hey, why not add the Unabomber to the list!
I don’t like Wedge, or Phillips, or Bradley, or the Unabomber!
All of them, tools!
I don’t understand your objection. If the Unabomber played for Cleveland, yes, I’d wish him gone. Hitler, too, before you ask. One of the reasons I am an Indians fan is because, under Shapiro, they trot out a team that I feel good about rooting for.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just think it’s unfair to Phillips — who is merely a douchebag — to be lumped in with Bradley — who is borderline violently criminal.
I too am glad we don’t have to suffer rooting for total cretins like Belle and Bradley. And I too am glad we don’t have too many players who are douchebags, like Phillips or for that matter Manny (the old one).
But the one is in a whole different category from the other, and I can promise you that the front office is working a lot harder to avoid the former than the latter. Some of our guys on other teams would seem like douchebags, and vice versa, but a criminal is a criminal. Have some perspective.
Phillips may come off as a douche, but we don’t personally know him.
He was still fairly young when he was with us. I won’t judge him for some attitude problems when he’s still a kid.
It is? Then I’m confused (again). I thought your point was that Phillips’ problems are trivial compared to Bradley’s.
I dislike Phillips because of the way he plays the game, right now. (I think that’s been pretty clear in my game thread posts this weekend.) I dislike Bradley because of the way he comported himself, although I understand that he has legitimate medical issues. I don’t know each of them personally. Maybe that makes me shallow, but that’s how I feel.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You have my point right. I guess there is case to be made that Bradley’s behavior can be excused due to his having a significant psychiatric problem, while Phillips has no real excuse and is just a jackoff. That ventures a little further into moral relativism than I care to go, but to each his own, I guess.
Where I agree with gahnki is that Phillips’ problems are based on our distant observation of his physical behavior, and it may or may not actually mean anything with respect to his character. I mean, it’s bush, but he may not actually be a bad guy — it might just be a maturity thing, but whatever it is, it’s not the same thing as bad character. Hell, I’d say the same thing for Justin.
Bradley — who is borderline violently criminal
Isn’t that being harsh? Unfair? Milton is certainly wrapped too tight, and has issues, But unless I’m forgetting something I wouldn’t call him violently criminal. His run-in with the cops was over some late-night driving-while-black stuff in Medina. Or did he rob a bank? I think Milton gets a bad rap because he’s such an unlikable fellow. I felt bad for the way he tore up his knee late last season.
He’s a drag to have on your team, a constant pain in the ass. He’s like Johnny Evers (of Tinkers to Evers to Chance fame), also known as the Crab or the Human Crab for his charm and style. But is he violently criminal?
hey corey hart got a hit for me
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
we should trade for casilla. i don’t care if he’s hurt
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
hammy incredulous because walking carroll brings up the “middle of the order”
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
not really
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
see, i totally thought he was joking and being like “let’s call up francisco”, idk
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
In related news, after leading with the lead, Westbrook refuses to be promoted, citing “run support” as his reason for wishing to stay in Lake County.
by xrickx on May 18, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i am so upset right now that if you put shots of hawkeye, 5 o’clock and phillips vodka in front of me i’d take them back-to-back-to-back
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
I have an irrational excitement towards having my heart ripped out and stomped on by the Cavs today. Still, it can’t be any worse than this.
Are you kidding?
Look at the bats we have on the bench to use for pinch hitting!
Marte
Peralta
Gutz
HAFNER
Garko
Sabathia before Marte.
Heck, probably Breslow before Marte.
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve got to be #1 in pitches seen but not swung at.
by Jay on May 18, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No kiddin. I guess it’s pretty easy to lead the league when all you’re trying to do is literally see pitches.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This is correct. After his last complete game shutout against the Royals.
by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i was actually referring to cliff lee’s historic season
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and that one by another 4-5 inches. that’s just three fastballs, elevated, down the middle of the plate.
fuck cliff at least let my boy edwin get in on the fun
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
85 pitches through 5, gotta believe he’ll be back out in the 6th
by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shap told the team they were relocating to FL if they didn’t start hitting the ball well, do you think they would care?
Tribe fan from far, far away
Wikipedia: “Of Teutonic origin, “Aubrey” means “Fair Ruler of the Little People”, or “King of the Elves.”
“Carroll” means “Little Person” or “Elf.”
by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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