Game Thread: May 18, 2008 - 6th Inning
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where ever you go, there you are
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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MAKE HIS ARM FALL OFF CASEY!!!
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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Casey sucks but does just enough to ensure that he will keep playing
by Roger Dorn on
May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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casey could take a shit on the 3rd base bag and never even try to field a ball and he will keep playing
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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I have a feeling that would be some kind of unacceptable.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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that was actually a bad swing by aubrey….outside changeup, and he pulled it.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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waiiit…it was a good swing, but bad process.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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Well, we’ve achieved our objective. Volquez at 110+ pitches. That means we win, right? Oh. My mistake.
by peter m on
May 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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That would be awesome.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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i’m the most negative person in the world
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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also! aubrey was fired and hired
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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Hopes and inspired fandom being crushed by Adam Dunn and Brandon Phillips.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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The Aubrey era has begun. The Lee era has ended.
by SuddenSam on
May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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Buffalo players are bored and do well when called upon
by Roger Dorn on
May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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Indians fans are bored by continued lack of hitting.
by peter m on
May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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Brandon Phillips bad. Milton Bradley real real real bad.
by SuddenSam on
May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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Lee’s final line this year:
10-12, 4.25 ERA
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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Yeah cause some meh singles…...constitutes the end of a season.
by mjschaefer on
May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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Just a feeling based on nothing. The negativity of this series is taking its toll
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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If you’d have told me before the season that by mid-May Michael Aubrey would have more HRs than a healthy Victor Martinez, I’d have punched myself in the face
by jhon on
May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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Alas, he is not healthy.
I tried to make Paul Reuschel my Avatar, but he didn't fit into the box.
by emd2k3 on
May 19, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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There was a Trevor Crowe sighting in Akron’s lineup yesterday.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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I forgot that bloops go out in this park.
by SuddenSam on
May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Yeah, shouldn’t have brought him out after the way last inning ended.
by maledicta on
May 18, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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Easy to say now.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Check the record. Said it after last inning, too.
by maledicta on
May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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It’s raining in NE Ohio if you live here.
So that might be a bad idea.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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these pitches this inning are absolutely dreadful
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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I can appreciate somebody who doesn’t try and pull everything. That’s just good hitting by Votto.
And Cliff Lee again threw a fastball judge above the belt over the middle of the plate.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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yea – i coulda hit that. but votto’s 9th inning hit yesterday was perfect hitting.
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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I was blacked out….enlighten me? How so?
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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pitch was low and he just dropped his bat down there and flipped between 3B and LF
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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does volquez lead ML in ERA yet?
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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ESPN is going to love airing these highlights.
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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It’s the first time they will show an Indians game this season.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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this is, bar none, the most depressing weekend of my 23 years
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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You didn’t expect the Indians to not come back to .500, did you?
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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sadly the indians are probably only like 15% of my mood
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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Only worry about what you can control. I’m as die-hard a fan as there is, and I’ve learned to make them 0% of my mood once I leave this computer.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Awesome-Johnny and Grady got hits!
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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On the bright side, Josh Beckett has given up 4 home runs today!
That’s gotta make you happy
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Braun has 2, Fielder and hardy 1 a piece.
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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Of course MIL is still losing. But that’s not the point.
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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There’s been 7 homeruns in that game. Some wind, perhaps?
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Gutz pinch hitting for Dellooch. Like this
by Roger Dorn on
May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Wow Carroll
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Good timing – I just showed up. It’s going to feel really good when we win this game. I hope somebody for the Tribe trips BP while he’s walking to the dugout then fist pumps.
by pdxtribefan on
May 18, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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His mother could not have loved him when she gave him that name.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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With a name like that I can think of at least one other career opportunity he could have tried.
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Seeing Dick Pole reminds me that Coutlangus is gone.
by SuddenSam on
May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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He must be around if Dick Pole is around.
by pdxtribefan on
May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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I’m officially a 12 year old boy again.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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The Lebron throwing the hand chalk in the air is annoying
by Roger Dorn on
May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Especially when it is just to rile up the fans in Boston.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 18, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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Can someone explain why we took Astro out of the game again?
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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that was just an amazing at bat
by Gradyforpresident on
May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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Certainly got it over with quickly. Maybe he needs to make an urgent phone call
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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Horrified at how much he’s regressed.
by maledicta on
May 18, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Let’s go Victor
clap clap clap clap clap
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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Hindsight is 20/20, but that probably should have been Garko batting.
by xrickx on
May 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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I was racking my brain trying to figure out what this meant. I get it now.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Yeah Vic
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
May 18, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Let’s Go Ben-ny
clap clap clap clap clap
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Reds announcers complaining about luck in this series.
by SuddenSam on
May 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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I think BenFran is probably the one guy other than Grady I would want to see here.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Frig, I knew it was irrational.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Mi-chael Aub-rey
clap clap clap clap clap
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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casey doesnt make that play
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Yes he does.
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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FE WEE
I just want to see if I am doing it right
by Roger Dorn on
May 18, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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For some reason it italicizes
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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Alright within two, we’re back in business.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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its official – volquez leads ML in ERA
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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Griff looked bad there
It's the Arizona talking, really.
by RD74 on
May 18, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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he was safe. shouldnt have gone into second, but he did beat the tag
by mpstable on
May 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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Oh wow, I’m going with safe there.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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It’s awful quiet in here. Too quiet.
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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This thread has really slowed to a halt.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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I hate how the Reds keep clogging the bases in this series.
by Fundamentals on
May 18, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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Julio? In the 8th? The Circle of Trust is dismantled. RIP CoT.
by Fundamentals on
May 18, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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too much time around Shelton
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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No point in pinch-hitting Hafner here.
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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if they somehow tie it i think it means blake in the OF and marte at third for the bottom of the inning. that’s something
by mpstable on
May 18, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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Just need 1 baserunner to get the tying run up
by Roger Dorn on
May 18, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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Unless, of course, the pitcher is afraid of you.
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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Here we go, Victor, here we go!
Clap clap
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Oh, well. Last one out get the lights.
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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time to sweep the Sox. yea fucking right.
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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Why did I even hope?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
May 18, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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this team cuts my energy level to like 30% of what it was before the game
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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That was an exciting series
You couldn’t have known that you were catching the Reds juggernaut just as it was beginning to roll.
by Brendanukkah on
May 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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Yeah, they might have a chance in the Mickey Mouse League.
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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Between this nonsense and that Tim guy, SB Nation has officially become cleveland.com. Wonderful.
by supermarioelia on
May 18, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
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I should have noticed that nobody uses subject lines here. I apologize for any possible injury to sensitive eyes due to my boldness.
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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i just read this http://www.redreporter.com/2008/5/18/520152/game-44-part-iii
it looks like Red Reporter really is cleveland.com
click that link at your own risk, bc it is kinda obnoxious.
by mpstable on
May 18, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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I don’t know about you guys, but I’m looking forward to June 27-29.
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
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Actually, that’s why you guys should be upset.
Those were good games for you. But not for us.
That’s why we are upset now. Your team is not good nor have they been good for a long time. We should have destroyed you. And yet, even when our hitters suck, we still had a chance to win all three games.
It is almost a positive to see us struggle so mightily and still almost win. Or it could be a tremendous negative for Reds fans.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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I don’t think the teams are that unevenly matched. The starting pitching we threw at you was just as good as/better than yours, say.
To me, it’s encouraging…to a point. With the obvious roster construction adjustments this team needs, we could be very competitive with the top teams. As it is, our pitching isn’t bad, and the offense still manages to score enough to give us a good shot.
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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i'd say the indians have seen enough of adam dunn
he hit about 1400 feet of home runs off of them
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 18, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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It was only three games!
I mean, you really don’t want to get in a pissing match with us. It won’t even be competitive.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
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ok?
which indian hit the ball further than adam dunn during the series?
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 19, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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Jeremy Sowers is the 6th/7th starter on this team.
What is Cueto in yours?
Fausto is our number two. Harang is your number one.
And Lee is our number five. What is Volquez in yours?
That should give a general idea of the difference between he two organizations pitching depth.
Your team is surely on the way up though I’d argue that it had no where else to go. And just when i think you are doing things right you go and fire Krivsky for Jocketty.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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I’ll admit that I don’t know the story behind Sowers. I’d actually love to hear what led to him pitching. I know he was called up for the game, but yeah.
But let me get this straight. Your rotation, in order, would be Sabathia/Fausto/Byrd/Laffey/Lee?
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
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Sabathia: 5.47 ERA, 1.53 WHIP in 54.1 IP
Carmona: 2.25 ERA, 1.50 WHIP in 56.0 IP
Byrd: 3.61 ERA, 1.12 WHIP in 47.1 IP
Laffey: 1.35 ERA, 0.86 in 26.2 IP
Lee: 0.67, 0.67 in 53.2 IP before today
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Harang: 3.12/1.14/69.1
Arroyo: 6.08/1.63/47.1
Cueto: 5.75/1.20/51.2
Volquez: 1.12/1.26/48.1 before today
And we’d rather forget about number 5, which has been partially Belisle, with his 7.45/1.91 in 19.1 IP, and partially Fogg…who was approximately as bad.
That said, Cueto’s numbers look a lot like Sabathia’s, Harang looks like Byrd in 20 more innings (which is something in and of itself), Arroyo looks like Carmona (or better) on a good day and Belisle on a bad day, Volquez can go head to head with Lee…
and our number 5 sucks, while Laffey has been impressive through 26 IP. So just glancing over things, if we continue to see as much bad Arroyo as we have, and Fausto continues playing way beyond his WHIP, you have a better #2 and a much better #5.
More realistically (or perhaps optimistically), I would think Carmona’s ERA would pick up a bit, and Arroyo’s would decline somewhat, so those two would be more of a wash. I like to think we’d call up Bailey, but if Laffey keeps up his small-sample-size numbers, he’d still be better. The one plus for the Reds is that Harang is an undead innings-eater.
But can Laffey keep performing like that? Can Lee or Volquez? Hellifiknow. That’s why I anticipate some more good matchups in late June.
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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Calling Bronson Arroyo and Fausto Carmona a wash is a crime against baseball.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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Mainly I don’t see how he maintains that sort of ERA with the peripherals he’s been putting up this year.
One difference between the two is that Carmona’s allowed 1 HR, while Arroyo has allowed 8. He tends to scatter hits-mainly singles-but does seem to give up a lot of walks this season. By contrast, Arroyo has been giving up more extra-base hits and fewer walks—but a lot more runs.
However, Arroyo really has been a Jekyll/Hyde pitcher this year. It seems a little optimistic to hope that his season will mirror his last two starts, but they look a lot like Carmona’s last two starts.
Given that, as I said, I still anticipate Carmona coming down a bit, and I’d like to think Arroyo would come on somewhat—but there is still a gap between those two.
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Last year:
R ER HR H BB K ERA
Fausto- 78 73 16 199 63 137 3.06
Arroyo- 109 99 28 232 61 151 4.23So Arroyo gave up a large number more runs, earned runs, homers, and hits with a significantly higher ERA.
The walk numbers are a wash while Arroyo had more K’s.
Based off of last year’s number and age it seems pretty clear to me which one is more valuable now and in the future.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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Wow, that post was destroyed.
I’m not quite sure why it does that.
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May 18, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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I’ll just have to take your word for it.
And the age is a huge difference, definitely. In planning for the future, Carmona looks much better than Arroyo. But do you think he can bring the WHIP back in line with last year’s numbers?
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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When you start your sentence with a SPACE it does that.
See .. like this....
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May 18, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
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That makes sense. I spaced to make a header with the relevant numbers.
by gahnki on
May 19, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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It started off as Sabathia/Carmona/Westbrook/Byrd/Lee
Westbrook is now injured. Laffey has Westbrook’s spot until he recovers.
Sowers just had a spot start because of an odd rotational setup caused (I believe) by the number of rain outs and subsequent double headers we’ve had.
by gahnki on
May 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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Thanks for the response. What’s the ETA on a recovered Westbrook?
by Gray on
May 18, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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I honestly don’t know. He made a start yesterday in Class A ball. There’s a fanshot on here that I haven’t looked at yet that may have some more information.
by gahnki on
May 19, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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Our rotation, in order, would be Sabathia- Carmona- Westbrook- Byrd- Lee- Laffey- Sowers. Sowers was only recalled because of a rainout on Sunday that forced a double-header on Monday. The team didn’t want to throw a pitcher on short rest, so Sowers was recalled to take the spot start. He’s our #2 or 3… in Buffalo.
by Fundamentals on
May 18, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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I feel slightly less bad about sleeping until 4pm now.
Only slightly. :\
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.
by AngG on
May 18, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
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you didn’t miss a damn thing that was positive.
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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Hence my joy at missing out. Most of my remaining bad feelings are the result of sleeping until 4pm, wtf.
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.
by AngG on
May 18, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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that takes some major… umm… well, let’s just say I’ve never slept that late.
Give Marte a Chance.
by westbrook on
May 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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As a gauge of today’s mood meter: Not a single post in either game thread has gone green today.
by Fiddlesticks on
May 18, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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How long is he going to keep doing that?
by odradek on
May 18, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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I don’t know where to properly ask this, but GFP: what the heck did Ben Francisco ever do to you?
by Voltaire on
May 19, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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GFP?
I don’t get it
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 19, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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gradyforpresident
He’s a poster on here.
by gahnki on
May 19, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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oh ok
francisco tore up the reds this weekend
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 19, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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Hello chandrathan,
Are we still playing the Reds? I’m just a bit confused as to why you’re still lurking here. No offense. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of the Reds since I do consider myself something of a conasseuer of minor league-quality baseball, but I think your time has come and gone. No offense. I come to LGT for a few reason. First, for inside jokes. Second, to talk Tribe. Third, to avoid fans of other teams. I think you’re 0 for 3. Thanks for your time here. No offense.
Just my 2 cents – no offense :)
by supermarioelia on
May 19, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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And that’s how you do an Indiansfan style beatdown.
I have no problem with fans of other teams hangning around. Gray has been fine around here.
But chandrathan has been downright childish and annoying. It’s time for him to leave.
by gahnki on
May 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
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Good points all (you and Mario both).
It’s okay for fans of other teams to visit, engage in some discussion and even some banter. But if there’s no real banter, just little tit-for-tat my-team-is-better stuff, then that’s really just trolling. Gray and a couple other have put in some real discussion.
by Jay on
May 19, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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this is really, really good. lots of subtle stuff in there. worth a re-read.
by Brick. on
May 19, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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got people too hyped up about mediocre minor league numbers and forget the real travesty of this ballclub: that manny marte has no playing time and casey blake does
by Gradyforpresident on
May 19, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
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No one forgot that. It’s just been rehashed to death.
by gahnki on
May 19, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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i just feel like he’s taking valuable attention and wrangling-over from our boy. ever since marte had a game in spring training in 2006 in which he hit 2 home runs and a double i was sure – SURE I SAY – that he was our next big thing.
and that’s why i don’t like ben francisco. because he’s a distraction. ben fran is like the homeless serial killer and manny marte is marlo stanfield.
by Gradyforpresident on
May 19, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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Let’s see how Francisco does. He’s outhitting both Dellucci and Gutierrez by a mile over the past 10 days. He’s probably a mirage, like Jody Gerut. But he’s not the problem. Don’t hate him. Play Marte.
by peter m on
May 19, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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i’m not saying it’s rational; but i don’t think he should steal time from Gutz
by Gradyforpresident on
May 19, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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In a way I don’t think so either. I think that sitting Gutz is almost compounding the problem by not letting him work through the struggle. It almsot makes it feel like all the progress Gutz made last year is worthless.
by gahnki on
May 19, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reply. I’m with gahnki here, though – I think we’re just as upset over Marte as we always were.
by Voltaire on
May 19, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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Before anyone rags on me, it’s connoisseur, I know.
by supermarioelia on
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