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Game Thread: May 18, 2008 - 6th Inning

Cleveland Indians at Cincinnati Reds, Jun 10, 2007 1:15 PM EDT


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where ever you go, there you are

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

MAKE HIS ARM FALL OFF CASEY!!!

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Casey sucks but does just enough to ensure that he will keep playing

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

casey could take a shit on the 3rd base bag and never even try to field a ball and he will keep playing

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling that would be some kind of unacceptable.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was actually a bad swing by aubrey….outside changeup, and he pulled it.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

waiiit…it was a good swing, but bad process.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we’ve achieved our objective. Volquez at 110+ pitches. That means we win, right? Oh. My mistake.

by peter m on May 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Dusty will bring him out for more

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

what’d I miss?

by APV on May 18, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m the most negative person in the world

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

also! aubrey was fired and hired

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopes and inspired fandom being crushed by Adam Dunn and Brandon Phillips.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Aubrey era has begun. The Lee era has ended.

by SuddenSam on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo players are bored and do well when called upon

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indians fans are bored by continued lack of hitting.

by peter m on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandon Phillips bad. Milton Bradley real real real bad.

by SuddenSam on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lee’s final line this year:

10-12, 4.25 ERA

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Carlos Lee pitches?

by peter m on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah cause some meh singles…...constitutes the end of a season.

by mjschaefer on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a feeling based on nothing. The negativity of this series is taking its toll

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wash your mouth out with soap

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

? Go home. Or somewhere.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’d have told me before the season that by mid-May Michael Aubrey would have more HRs than a healthy Victor Martinez, I’d have punched myself in the face

by jhon on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Alas, he is not healthy.

I tried to make Paul Reuschel my Avatar, but he didn't fit into the box.

by emd2k3 on May 19, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a Trevor Crowe sighting in Akron’s lineup yesterday.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

0-2 breaking ball with no break.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Bloop hit watch in effect

by SuddenSam on May 18, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I forgot that bloops go out in this park.

by SuddenSam on May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, shouldn’t have brought him out after the way last inning ended.

by maledicta on May 18, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Easy to say now.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check the record. Said it after last inning, too.

by maledicta on May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to sing Mr. Lee so, so, badly.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m going golfing. Fuck this.

by mjschaefer on May 18, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s raining in NE Ohio if you live here.

So that might be a bad idea.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

these pitches this inning are absolutely dreadful

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I can appreciate somebody who doesn’t try and pull everything. That’s just good hitting by Votto.

And Cliff Lee again threw a fastball judge above the belt over the middle of the plate.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Still the O’s fault

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My sentences are not in English.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea – i coulda hit that. but votto’s 9th inning hit yesterday was perfect hitting.

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was blacked out….enlighten me? How so?

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitch was low and he just dropped his bat down there and flipped between 3B and LF

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

does volquez lead ML in ERA yet?

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN is going to love airing these highlights.

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s the first time they will show an Indians game this season.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is, bar none, the most depressing weekend of my 23 years

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

You didn’t expect the Indians to not come back to .500, did you?

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

sadly the indians are probably only like 15% of my mood

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only worry about what you can control. I’m as die-hard a fan as there is, and I’ve learned to make them 0% of my mood once I leave this computer.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome-Johnny and Grady got hits!

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

On the bright side, Josh Beckett has given up 4 home runs today!
That’s gotta make you happy

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Braun has 2, Fielder and hardy 1 a piece.

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet Boston is winning.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course MIL is still losing. But that’s not the point.

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s been 7 homeruns in that game. Some wind, perhaps?

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re not done yet folks.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Gutz pinch hitting for Dellooch. Like this

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow Carroll

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on May 18, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Good timing – I just showed up. It’s going to feel really good when we win this game. I hope somebody for the Tribe trips BP while he’s walking to the dugout then fist pumps.

by pdxtribefan on May 18, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Dick Pole just pulled Affeldt

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

His mother could not have loved him when she gave him that name.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

With a name like that I can think of at least one other career opportunity he could have tried.

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing Dick Pole reminds me that Coutlangus is gone.

by SuddenSam on May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

recs have been rare today.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must be around if Dick Pole is around.

by pdxtribefan on May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m officially a 12 year old boy again.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lebron throwing the hand chalk in the air is annoying

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially when it is just to rile up the fans in Boston.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on May 18, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone explain why we took Astro out of the game again?

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

that was just an amazing at bat

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Certainly got it over with quickly. Maybe he needs to make an urgent phone call

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gutz really really really sucks.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Horrified at how much he’s regressed.

by maledicta on May 18, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s go Victor
clap clap clap clap clap

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Hindsight is 20/20, but that probably should have been Garko batting.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I was racking my brain trying to figure out what this meant. I get it now.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright alright alright

by maledicta on May 18, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah Vic

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on May 18, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s Go Ben-ny
clap clap clap clap clap

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Reds announcers complaining about luck in this series.

by SuddenSam on May 18, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I think BenFran is probably the one guy other than Grady I would want to see here.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Frig, I knew it was irrational.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mi-chael Aub-rey
clap clap clap clap clap

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn, back to being pissed off

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

casey doesnt make that play

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes he does.

Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on May 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt it.

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOtriBe

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Check swings and slow runners.

by xrickx on May 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

o yea

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

FE WEE

I just want to see if I am doing it right

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason it italicizes

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright within two, we’re back in business.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

its official – volquez leads ML in ERA

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Griff looked bad there

It's the Arizona talking, really.

by RD74 on May 18, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

demote garko. i hate him

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

he was safe. shouldnt have gone into second, but he did beat the tag

by mpstable on May 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m clearly not rational

by Gradyforpresident on May 18, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow, I’m going with safe there.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s awful quiet in here. Too quiet.

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate how the Reds keep clogging the bases in this series.

by Fundamentals on May 18, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Julio? In the 8th? The Circle of Trust is dismantled. RIP CoT.

by Fundamentals on May 18, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Lebron looks uninterested

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

too much time around Shelton

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

JULY!

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

No point in pinch-hitting Hafner here.

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

if they somehow tie it i think it means blake in the OF and marte at third for the bottom of the inning. that’s something

by mpstable on May 18, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just need 1 baserunner to get the tying run up

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless, of course, the pitcher is afraid of you.

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vic is due. Vic is very, very due.

by Fundamentals on May 18, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Here we go, Victor, here we go!
Clap clap

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Full count, what a battle

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, well. Last one out get the lights.

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

time to sweep the Sox. yea fucking right.

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Why did I even hope?

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on May 18, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish i knew

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

this team cuts my energy level to like 30% of what it was before the game

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

That was an exciting series

You couldn’t have known that you were catching the Reds juggernaut just as it was beginning to roll.

by Brendanukkah on May 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Between this nonsense and that Tim guy, SB Nation has officially become cleveland.com. Wonderful.

by supermarioelia on May 18, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have noticed that nobody uses subject lines here. I apologize for any possible injury to sensitive eyes due to my boldness.

by Gray on May 18, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just read this http://www.redreporter.com/2008/5/18/520152/game-44-part-iii
it looks like Red Reporter really is cleveland.com
click that link at your own risk, bc it is kinda obnoxious.

by mpstable on May 18, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

YAY OMG WE BEAT THE INDIANS

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, those were some pretty good games.

by Gray on May 18, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Act like you’ve been there before

by Roger Dorn on May 18, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m looking forward to June 27-29.

by Gray on May 18, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that’s why you guys should be upset.

Those were good games for you. But not for us.

That’s why we are upset now. Your team is not good nor have they been good for a long time. We should have destroyed you. And yet, even when our hitters suck, we still had a chance to win all three games.

It is almost a positive to see us struggle so mightily and still almost win. Or it could be a tremendous negative for Reds fans.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the teams are that unevenly matched. The starting pitching we threw at you was just as good as/better than yours, say.

To me, it’s encouraging…to a point. With the obvious roster construction adjustments this team needs, we could be very competitive with the top teams. As it is, our pitching isn’t bad, and the offense still manages to score enough to give us a good shot.

by Gray on May 18, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd say the indians have seen enough of adam dunn

he hit about 1400 feet of home runs off of them

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on May 18, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was only three games!

I mean, you really don’t want to get in a pissing match with us. It won’t even be competitive.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok?

which indian hit the ball further than adam dunn during the series?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on May 19, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Sowers is the 6th/7th starter on this team.

What is Cueto in yours?

Fausto is our number two. Harang is your number one.

And Lee is our number five. What is Volquez in yours?

That should give a general idea of the difference between he two organizations pitching depth.

Your team is surely on the way up though I’d argue that it had no where else to go. And just when i think you are doing things right you go and fire Krivsky for Jocketty.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll admit that I don’t know the story behind Sowers. I’d actually love to hear what led to him pitching. I know he was called up for the game, but yeah.

But let me get this straight. Your rotation, in order, would be Sabathia/Fausto/Byrd/Laffey/Lee?

by Gray on May 18, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sabathia: 5.47 ERA, 1.53 WHIP in 54.1 IP
Carmona: 2.25 ERA, 1.50 WHIP in 56.0 IP
Byrd: 3.61 ERA, 1.12 WHIP in 47.1 IP
Laffey: 1.35 ERA, 0.86 in 26.2 IP
Lee: 0.67, 0.67 in 53.2 IP before today

vs.:

Harang: 3.12/1.14/69.1
Arroyo: 6.08/1.63/47.1
Cueto: 5.75/1.20/51.2
Volquez: 1.12/1.26/48.1 before today

And we’d rather forget about number 5, which has been partially Belisle, with his 7.45/1.91 in 19.1 IP, and partially Fogg…who was approximately as bad.

That said, Cueto’s numbers look a lot like Sabathia’s, Harang looks like Byrd in 20 more innings (which is something in and of itself), Arroyo looks like Carmona (or better) on a good day and Belisle on a bad day, Volquez can go head to head with Lee…

and our number 5 sucks, while Laffey has been impressive through 26 IP. So just glancing over things, if we continue to see as much bad Arroyo as we have, and Fausto continues playing way beyond his WHIP, you have a better #2 and a much better #5.

More realistically (or perhaps optimistically), I would think Carmona’s ERA would pick up a bit, and Arroyo’s would decline somewhat, so those two would be more of a wash. I like to think we’d call up Bailey, but if Laffey keeps up his small-sample-size numbers, he’d still be better. The one plus for the Reds is that Harang is an undead innings-eater.

But can Laffey keep performing like that? Can Lee or Volquez? Hellifiknow. That’s why I anticipate some more good matchups in late June.

by Gray on May 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling Bronson Arroyo and Fausto Carmona a wash is a crime against baseball.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mainly I don’t see how he maintains that sort of ERA with the peripherals he’s been putting up this year.

One difference between the two is that Carmona’s allowed 1 HR, while Arroyo has allowed 8. He tends to scatter hits-mainly singles-but does seem to give up a lot of walks this season. By contrast, Arroyo has been giving up more extra-base hits and fewer walks—but a lot more runs.

However, Arroyo really has been a Jekyll/Hyde pitcher this year. It seems a little optimistic to hope that his season will mirror his last two starts, but they look a lot like Carmona’s last two starts.

Given that, as I said, I still anticipate Carmona coming down a bit, and I’d like to think Arroyo would come on somewhat—but there is still a gap between those two.

by Gray on May 18, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year:

R         ER       HR         H          BB        K         ERA
Fausto- 78 73 16 199 63 137 3.06
Arroyo- 109 99 28 232 61 151 4.23

So Arroyo gave up a large number more runs, earned runs, homers, and hits with a significantly higher ERA.

The walk numbers are a wash while Arroyo had more K’s.

Based off of last year’s number and age it seems pretty clear to me which one is more valuable now and in the future.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that post was destroyed.

I’m not quite sure why it does that.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll just have to take your word for it.

And the age is a huge difference, definitely. In planning for the future, Carmona looks much better than Arroyo. But do you think he can bring the WHIP back in line with last year’s numbers?

by Gray on May 18, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you start your sentence with a SPACE it does that.

See .. like this....

by Toxicadam on May 18, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense. I spaced to make a header with the relevant numbers.

by gahnki on May 19, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It started off as Sabathia/Carmona/Westbrook/Byrd/Lee

Westbrook is now injured. Laffey has Westbrook’s spot until he recovers.

Sowers just had a spot start because of an odd rotational setup caused (I believe) by the number of rain outs and subsequent double headers we’ve had.

by gahnki on May 18, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the response. What’s the ETA on a recovered Westbrook?

by Gray on May 18, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don’t know. He made a start yesterday in Class A ball. There’s a fanshot on here that I haven’t looked at yet that may have some more information.

by gahnki on May 19, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our rotation, in order, would be Sabathia- Carmona- Westbrook- Byrd- Lee- Laffey- Sowers. Sowers was only recalled because of a rainout on Sunday that forced a double-header on Monday. The team didn’t want to throw a pitcher on short rest, so Sowers was recalled to take the spot start. He’s our #2 or 3… in Buffalo.

by Fundamentals on May 18, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel slightly less bad about sleeping until 4pm now.

Only slightly. :\

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 18, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

you didn’t miss a damn thing that was positive.

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hence my joy at missing out. Most of my remaining bad feelings are the result of sleeping until 4pm, wtf.

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on May 18, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

that takes some major… umm… well, let’s just say I’ve never slept that late.

Give Marte a Chance.

by westbrook on May 18, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a gauge of today’s mood meter: Not a single post in either game thread has gone green today.

by Fiddlesticks on May 18, 2008 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Here’s my mood meter:

by Toxicadam on May 18, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

How long is he going to keep doing that?

by odradek on May 18, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tantra, I assume.

by Jay on May 19, 2008 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know where to properly ask this, but GFP: what the heck did Ben Francisco ever do to you?

by Voltaire on May 19, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

GFP?

I don’t get it

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on May 19, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

gradyforpresident

He’s a poster on here.

by gahnki on May 19, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok

francisco tore up the reds this weekend

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on May 19, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s how you do an Indiansfan style beatdown.

I have no problem with fans of other teams hangning around. Gray has been fine around here.

But chandrathan has been downright childish and annoying. It’s time for him to leave.

by gahnki on May 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points all (you and Mario both).

It’s okay for fans of other teams to visit, engage in some discussion and even some banter. But if there’s no real banter, just little tit-for-tat my-team-is-better stuff, then that’s really just trolling. Gray and a couple other have put in some real discussion.

by Jay on May 19, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is really, really good. lots of subtle stuff in there. worth a re-read.

by Brick. on May 19, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

got people too hyped up about mediocre minor league numbers and forget the real travesty of this ballclub: that manny marte has no playing time and casey blake does

by Gradyforpresident on May 19, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one forgot that. It’s just been rehashed to death.

by gahnki on May 19, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just feel like he’s taking valuable attention and wrangling-over from our boy. ever since marte had a game in spring training in 2006 in which he hit 2 home runs and a double i was sure – SURE I SAY – that he was our next big thing.

and that’s why i don’t like ben francisco. because he’s a distraction. ben fran is like the homeless serial killer and manny marte is marlo stanfield.

by Gradyforpresident on May 19, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see how Francisco does. He’s outhitting both Dellucci and Gutierrez by a mile over the past 10 days. He’s probably a mirage, like Jody Gerut. But he’s not the problem. Don’t hate him. Play Marte.

by peter m on May 19, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m not saying it’s rational; but i don’t think he should steal time from Gutz

by Gradyforpresident on May 19, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a way I don’t think so either. I think that sitting Gutz is almost compounding the problem by not letting him work through the struggle. It almsot makes it feel like all the progress Gutz made last year is worthless.

by gahnki on May 19, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the reply. I’m with gahnki here, though – I think we’re just as upset over Marte as we always were.

by Voltaire on May 19, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before anyone rags on me, it’s connoisseur, I know.

by supermarioelia on May 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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