The Mystery of Fausto Carmona
A year and a half after he first cracked the starting rotation, Fausto Carmona is still, in many ways, a baffling specimen to both Tribe fans and opposing batters. As a young(er) pitcher, he was known more for his command than his velocity, posting a 3.43 K/BB ratio during his years in the Indians' farm system. In 2006, when called up to the show, he became something of a power arm in the bullpen. Of course, by now we all know the story of his failed stint as a closer at the end of that season and his subsequent rise to dominance in 2007, during which he posted a Halladay-esque 5.73 K/9 with a 3.28 GB/FB, making him the best groundballer in the AL. His K numbers improved throughout the season (6.37 K/9 after AS break) as did his ERA, which ultimately made him a dark horse Cy Young candidate.
As great as Carmona's 2007 was, his 2008 has been. . . well, weird. Looking at Mona's peripherals, you'd think he was getting rocked pretty much every start, or at least you might conclude that he's gotten super, super lucky. Yeah, he's got that 2.25 ERA, but as we all know, these things are wont to fluctuate, and that stats like K/9, BB/9, and BABIP offer better ways to predict future performance. None of these numbers have great things to say about Fausto: he's got a 3.54 K/9 ratio, walks literally twice as many guys as he strikes out, and his BABIP is .247, suggesting that some correction will occur. Moreover, his defense-independent ERA is 4.97 (!).
However, he also has by far the best GB/FB ratio in the league (3.88, next best in the AL is Halladay at 2.74) he also has posted a LD% of 14%, good for 6th in the AL (interestingly, he had the exact same LD% last year, then good for first in the league). He's also had great success at limiting extra-base hits, holding opposing batters to a .302 slugging percentage.
Maybe I am misinterpreting the numbers, but I am beginning to wonder if it possible that Carmona actually defies the conventional "sabermetric model" of pitching success. Essentially, Mona's peripherals, other than his monstrous GB rate, say his ERA screams fluke--nobody can sustain the kind of success he's had with those K and BB numbers. However, when watching the guy, I can't help but feel his stuff is so unique, the movement and velocity on his pitches are so great, that there's no way he's going to regress as much as the numbers would suggest (although expecting him to hold onto that 2.25 ERA is probably unreasonable). I mean, calling him a sinkerballer is the understatement of the century--I've never seen any pitcher induce as many broken bats and high choppers in front of the plate. Hell, it seems like half the hits he gives up are infield singles on balls that take too long to get beyond the pitcher's mound.
My question to the statheads/people who are interested in this kind of stuff: Is there a precedent for somebody like Carmona? Are the factors driving his success--an outlandish GB rate and a very low LD% and opposition SLG--enough to sustain his ace-level performance? Can a traditional statistical evaluation really account for this guy's ability to induce weak/off-balance contact? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
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Definitely not a baseball stathead here, but I can speak to stats as a topic. Statistical modeling is just that, modeling. Modeling is only meant to approximate what we experience. As time passes, we will invent even more sophisticated modeling tools and these may or may not encompass the Carmona experience. But, it’s helpful that you pointed out an example showing how the currently accepted measurements of pitching fail to capture Carmona’s effectiveness.
“the Carmona experience”
I like it, heh.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 23, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It was late in Cleveland—late, on the kind of night when you think dawn must have slid down the drainpipe and hopped the last train to someplace nicer. I strode through the black locker house like it was broad daylight. I was used to the dark. I liked it that way.
I came upon the non-descript wood-panel door with the placard that said “MANAGER.” My contact behind the Beach Club said Eric Wedge was managing a lot more than the baseball team these days. Yeah, she said that, right before she bled out in my arms. She was a liar, anyway, but damn if the girl didn’t know how to make a dramatic exit. I produced a skeleton key hung from the still-attached tag on my jersey collar - what, you think I leave those things on there for good luck? - and went to work on the lock. To my surprise, the knob turned with no resistance. I looked closer. There were scratches in the keyhole.
Somebody had been here already. Somebody might still be here. That’s when I heard the pistol cock behind my head. “¿Podría demolar tu baño, Fausto?”
Damn! I was getting sloppier than Luis Isaac on 2-for-1 shots night. Fact of business, it WAS 2-for-1 shots night, and I was already late. Luis was belly-up to the bar with a glass in each hand and an ugly girl on each arm, and here I was at the noisy end of some Venezuelan gibberish-speaker’s favorite toy. Luis and I were both due for splitting headaches come sunrise, but suddenly it looked like mine might be the kind that doesn’t go away with hot coffee and a cold shower…
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
Me too. I love it when Tyler goes Guy Noir on us. Absolutely great.
-Erik
by drerikbrady on May 27, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Nicely done. Now we get to guess the gibberish-speaker’s identity?
Here are a list of possible suspects:
Franklin Gutierrez
Jorge Julio
Edward Mujica
Rafael Perez
Victor Martinez
Asdrubal Cabrera
Andy Marte
..
..
..
Carl Willis
Make your case.
And can "¿Podría demolar tu baño, Fausto?" be our new banner? Unbelievable.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It was originally “Koona t’chuta, Fausto?” But the whole gibberish thing last night made that decision for me.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
no way dude
“The Mystery of Fausto Carmona” is the coolest name for a post ever
although if I were to write a mystery story about him, it would have something to do with why he always leaves his shirt tag sticking out.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 23, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that people here don’t know who that is makes me feel older than just about anything else that’s happened in my life.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I know who it is—it’s Jessica Tate.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on May 24, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
see above references to Jessica Tate and Emmy awards.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on May 27, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
68% of his batted balls end up as ground balls. Hidden behind the wave of mutilation (mutilation of our eyes after watching this pathetic spetical) that is the Cleveland Indians Offense this year, has been a pleasent surprise. Our infield defense appears to be pretty good. Our defensive efficiency ratio (DEF) in Carmona’s starts is .733 and is .707 overall (for all of our pitchers) this season, which is 4th in the AL.
This is a good post and brings up a topic that we’ve been kicking around for a while RE: the groundballers. Looking at the system it seems that the Indians know something about the extreme GB guys that even the advanced SABR thinking isn’t capturing.
Fausto being the prime example, but Laffy, Westbrook, etc…
When you say “advanced SABR”, you are seeing only those measurements that have been made public. There ceases to be a competitive advantage when everyone in baseball knows a measurement, which is why the public is given these. So it’s possible that a number of teams already have an effectiveness measurement that more accurately includes GB within it. Ya gotta think the Indians would be one of the teams, given the resulting pitchers coming out of the minors.

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