Game Thread: May 27, 2008 - 6th inning
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those with video – how has laffey looked?
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
You mean Jamey being Jamey.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on May 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoever said Laffey’s ladyfriend was gorgeous was telling the truth. I will not mancandy you at all, my friend.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
I’m gonna go with will be his last inning
by Tribe_Hippie on May 27, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy moses, how does that happen?
In-game poll: Is Andy Marte our 2nd-most-reliable infield defender?
1) Yes
2) No
3) Stop fellating Andy Marte.
Vote now!
but i lost my reason on this long ago
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
3 and 1
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on May 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
3. GIVEN THAT YOU ARE HIS FATHER AND ALL.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on May 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ramirez was “rounding third, heading for home” on a fly out.
Give Marte a Chance. FIRE SHELTON. Find Wedge a Hot Seat.
Ben is getting legitimately good at faking out baserunners into thinking he won’t make the catch. It’s a true gift.
Fat shortstop might give Victor and the glacier a close race in the speed department.
Free Andy Marte!
Yea that makes sense, the guy just ripped a double off the scoreboard so let’s stop him from getting in a groove
WHY FREAKING BUNT?????? WE’RE UP FOUR AND WE’VE GOT A GUY WHO JUST BOMBED A DOUBLE IN HIS LAST AB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Il faut d'abord durer.
WHAT THE HELL! WE’RE UP 4 ALREADY! WHY ARE WE BUNTING?!
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by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Matt Underwood just said success in the same sentence as he said Asdrubal Cabrera and the phrase “not much” was not mentioned…..hmmm he therefore is suggesting Cabrera has had some sort of success…......I respectfully disagree with you Mr. Underwood unless you are discussing his defense
This is pretty much the sole reason I wasn’t livid there. If it ges him more atbats, then I’ll live with it.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What is? Your British accent or the Indians having runners on base?
by Tribe_Hippie on May 27, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So now the bases are loaded for ….....
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
Jamey Carroll.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on May 27, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wedge is a damned fool. Cabrera looked awful last night with 2nd/3rd, 1 out in the 8th last night (and if there was ever a time to squeeze, it was with him bunting and Gutz on 3rd), and now Wedge has frieking Marte bunt to get Cabrera right back in the same situation…. so he can fail again? I’m beyond speech.
Sox had Carroll picked off, Carroll in run down, runner breaks home, throw goes home, Hall drops throw, runner scores.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on May 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT IS THIS? I AM SO CONFUSED. THIS NEVER HAPPENS. IS THIS A GIFT FROM PYTHAGORAS?
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on May 27, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if jhonny made the little league base running mistake that carroll just made, he would eat pine for a week.
get out of here! that was the play? that got J Carroll? Captain Grit himself?
by DontCallMeJoey on May 27, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he throw it home??? There are two outs!
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
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You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
With the bases loaded, there’s no force at home on a pick off right?
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Runners were off with the pitch..? 3-2 count, 2 outs?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha yeah but I’d rather that he actually wait for the pitch.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT:
1) there was no pitch
2) Carroll was the only one going.
Give Marte a Chance. FIRE SHELTON. Find Wedge a Hot Seat.
Well we sure as hell can’t blame Grady for bad baserunning….wait, what?
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
umm… you COULD call it that. You could also call it a major bonehead play by Carroll that got bailed out by and even worse catch by Toby.
Whoops, didn’t realize he was two days ago as well.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just want’s to hang out with his underachieving buddies, can’t blame him
by Tribe_Hippie on May 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just read back a bit and cadged what happened. Gametime scored it as “Delucci stole home,” not “the circus came to town.” :)
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Have to wake up bats!
by vbc3 on May 27, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Terrible decision, really not defensible in any way that I can think of.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Come on…I probably would’ve given him a strike to play with, but saying it’s not defensible? Marte was facing a guy who is not a good pitcher, but he’s a side-armer with a track record of being somewhat tough on righties. I doubt Marte would hit .200 against this guy if he faced him a lot. Yes, you have a four-run lead but you have a short bullpen with 9 outs still to get. And Cabrera gets a huge platoon advantage. Yes, Cabrera has been awful and I think I would’ve given Marte a shot with one strike, but saying that’s not defensible is way over-the-top.
Wow, Ang… that IS quite the gameday photo for Hall.
Give Marte a Chance. FIRE SHELTON. Find Wedge a Hot Seat.
Too bad Andrew left; Hawk must have been a joy to listen to during that inning.
Il faut d'abord durer.
House?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just yelling something about being the Sox 4th-string catcher. I didn’t get it.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Be sure to stay tuned after the game for an updated “Records With Marte And Without”. It promises to be glorious.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“Someone could get hurt”.
Do we buy this? Would more players get hurt with a loose bag than with one solidly in place? Wouldn’t ankle sprains decrease? Akin to the moorings in hockey having some give?
Second basemen have to push off the bag to throw.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah good point. I was thinking strictly for the baserunners.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I witnessed a broken ankle by someone sliding under a loose bag. It was awful. I was playing right field, it was third base, and I swear I could hear it.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I guess the foot actually gets caught under the bag and there’s a twisting motion? Because the whole idea of sliding into a stationary object seems dangerous enough on its own.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad form to give yourself the rimshot. Wait for someone else to recognize your genius.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on May 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I admire self admiration. It’s not classy, but it’s honest.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Guy slid toe down, and was pretty quick. Foot jammed, body kept moving. He was already screaming by the time my throw got there. Our third baseman tagged him just above the broken ankle. I led the league in outfield assists that year—by one.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I wish sometimes that I could go back to the days when I didn’t know that Cutty Sark was bad Scotch.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve been known to enjoy a Famous Grouse on the rocks, but other than that, my short-lived foray into single malts ruined me.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutty Sark and Outlaw? Call it a Peat Bomb.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, just caught up … fun read.
Don’t hate me, but that bunt was not really a bad call.
With a four-run lead, ending the 6th inning, a one/two-run strategy actually makes sense. Each run you score at that point increases the chance you’ll win significantly more than the run after that one. There is no real reason to go for a “most runs” approach, or at least, certainly not a necessity.
After six innings, using 2002-2006 game data, win expectancy for home team:
up four runs: .959
up five runs: .972
up six runs: .997
The bunt makes the five-run lead very likely and puts the six-run lead into scoring position — and there’s no real reason to care about the seventh run.
At this stage, you can’t really complain about taking the bat out of Marte’s hands — although it occurs to me only now, maybe Wedge’s plan all along was to keep him on the bench until the weather got warm.
I don’t buy the weather business. It was pretty darn nice that Cinci weekend, and balls were flying out. And no, that’s not what she said.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all well and good, and this was sort of keeping me sane knowing that one or two more runs would put the game to bed….but the way the lineup was playing out was just asking for trouble. Granted our disgust was hanging on the fact that Marte can be trusted…which is obviously up for debate.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to disagree. It’s in Marte’s best interests to establish that he can be trusted to swing away or to bunt. If he swings away, it’s very likely an out — I know you’re his dad, but he doesn’t have a .500 OBP — and instead he laid down a very good bunt. You might say that he scored some points rather than driving in some runs.
Guess I wasn’t really clear. I meant that he couldn’t be trusted to actually get a hit. You probably read above that I was totally fine with how it played out, since it likely endeared him to Wedge.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don’t really trust him to get a hit either. I realize my love is irrational.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so, my wife messed up my DVR-to-Hammy sync which i kindly asked her to be careful not to mess up. she has spent the last two full innings trying to get it sync’d back up. you might ‘have to be here’ but it’s been pretty comical.
I assume you can’t tell since everything sounds the same with Hammy:
Routine Grounder to Astro::”THIS IS A HIGH DEEP DRIVE…mumble mumble.”
Single by Francisco::”THIS BALL IS HIT HIGH, DEEP…mumble mumble.”
Andy Marte Bunt::”MARTE HITS THIS HIGH, DEEP…mumble.”
by afh4 on May 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It’s coming after the game. I like to make it dramatic.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MAN i was willing that baby out on gamecast
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
8 runs AND a Marte sighting? I should go to Russian class everynight!
Очень хорошо!
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on May 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Очень хорошо!
Come on, you know this is a family site.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m Ukrainian…does that mean roughly “That’s alright”?
Still an Ohio boy through and through!
by TribeLoverInNewYork on May 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Roughly, yes.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on May 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow … I am more impressed with the new SBN platform than ever.
I assume that was some kind of gibberish?
by Jay on May 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Indeed, yes. SBN was reformatted by former KGB agents.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on May 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just finished dinner, and just finished watching the Marte bunt.
If I were Shapiro, I swear to Cliff Lee this is what I would do:
March down to the dugout calmly. Then say, “Eric, it’s over. Not, like, tomorrow. But right fucking now. We’re up four goddam runs, we’re driving the ball, and we’ve got 2 on and zero outs. On deck is Eddie Gaedel.
“And you ask Andy Marte to bunt.
“Listen, I read Jay’s post, and he’s usually right, but not here. That bunt not only sends the way wrong signal, but I warned you that you’ve used up the bunt allocation through August. That check was cashed on like April 8th.
“In the words of Caddyshack’s Maggie, tanks for nootin.
“Best, Mark.”
by tabler84 on May 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How cool would it be if Shapiro read the game-threads as he watched?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were Shapiro I would just yell “I’M THE BEST MARK” at the end of every conversation.
by afh4 on May 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i had a sudanese friend that said his name right before finishing a voicemail message, everytime, without fail.
“hey swift, just seeing if you wanted to go to the hookah bar tonight, umair and taaj are coming out i think, maybe jon gourley, call me later.
sammy.”
every. time.
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
DENNY CRAIN!
Have been obsessed with Boston Legal the last two weeks. In fact, “Jake is Denny Crain” is my facebook status.
I’m saddened that I just had to quote my facebook usage to strengthen a point I was trying to make.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Did it get better? I was disappointed with the early episodes this season.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I started watching from the beginning of season 1 on fanpop last week. I have almost finished the season at this point. I’m still going strong and loving it. I have only seen two or three episodes from this season so I couldn’t tell ya.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
you know i really expected grady to hit 34 home runs out and ops 920+ this year
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
yeah but it just doesn’t feel like he’s made the leap i wanted him to make
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but it could still happen and then you would not be whining about the leap, you would be saying HOLY LIVING F DID YOU SEE THE LEAP THAT GUY MADE IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS OF THE SEASON?
HIRE HUMIDITY.
(8 runs tonight is awesome … imagine when it’s truly warm out.)
I tried to make Paul Reuschel my Avatar, but he didn't fit into the box.
Wow, this game’s such a relief my balls are flying out.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
There’s your goddamn POTW, Jay.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, this one.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hawk Zellwegger. Crap I don’t know how to play this game.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic, but do posts ever get rec’d without people replying ‘rec’? Meaning the first reply of ‘rec’ is sure to attract enough rec’s to greenify that thing, but has it ever just happened organically? I’d guess no.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
i think so. i almost never post rec
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But do you say ‘rec’?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Having scrolled through every comment of every thread yesterday to find POTW nominees, I can tell you, it actually has happened many times. Re-load, who knows, maybe it’s already happened in this thread.
by Jay on May 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mujica’s gamecast picture is not flattering
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Just really non-funny stuff about telling Alexei Ramirez that “it’s I before E except after C”
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s horrible.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Scene inside of the Tribe clubhouse following this game will probably look similar to this I would assume
I am constantly amazed at what a weird-looking dude Betancourt is without a hat.
by tabler84 on May 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He looks like a Cuban drum player from 1956.
I tried to make Paul Reuschel my Avatar, but he didn't fit into the box.
by emd2k3 on May 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was wondering who the hell that was
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I only because I’ve seen this picture before and I had to ask like ten people to find out. I thought it was Luis Isaac’s step-son or like a bench coach or something
How frat does Travis look in the corner, pounding his fist mechanically, silently preparing to destroy the beer in his hand
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
by joeee on May 27, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This just in: Mujica sucks.
Also in: BenFran can’t handle the grounder in RF.
I tried to make Paul Reuschel my Avatar, but he didn't fit into the box.
BenFran can’t handle the grounder in RF
You’d think for, you know, an outfielder that this would be an important quality.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
remember when moo man put up that like 75 scoreless inning streak
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
You’d be like heaven to touch.
Come on, haven’t you seen Ten Things I Hate about You? It takes place at Padua!
Il faut d'abord durer.
Actual good joke in Not Another Teen Movie: “Janey’s got a gun!”
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Drumroll please….
When Andy gets into the game: 10-3
When he doesn’t: 14-25
NUFF SAID.
by supermarioelia on May 27, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LeBron is on the bandwagon now…looks like things might just be ok
by Tribe_Hippie on May 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He and Greg Oden should star in a new series of Bartles & Jaymes commercials.
I tried to make Paul Reuschel my Avatar, but he didn't fit into the box.
by emd2k3 on May 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the possibilities of bunting were endless…
Up 10-2, Carroll on deck, leadoff single, WTF why not bunt?
by tabler84 on May 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ozzie might have put in a reliever specifically to hit the first three batters tomorrow.
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Before bunt: .966
After bunt: .968
WE goes up with the bunt, even though you now have one fewer out to work with.
win optimization > run optimization
QED mofos.
by Jay on May 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I told you, I know that immeasurably small number matters to you, but Wedge is out of bunts. The vault is empty. Do something else. Christ.
The circumstances called for doing something other than what he always F-ing does.
Sorry – the OED Mofos are the nerd gangsta rappas.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on May 27, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The QED mofos makes this hard to argue with, but big picture, is that .002 worth taking ANOTHER at bat away from Marte?
Il faut d'abord durer.
See note above to Mario … giving Marte the chance to lay down a successful bunt will no doubt help him in Wedge’s eyes. I think Wedge might even be aware that he’s a better defender than Blake, but I hate to jump to conclusions.
The fact that we have to consider whether being a successful bunter for a freaking minor league hitting champ makes him more valuable in our manager’s eyes drives me crazy.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 27, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that a good bunt could help him in Wedge’s eyes.
But if you go back and watch the bunt again, don’t listen to Manning go nuts about it. Just watch the bunt—could have had the runner at third.
my my my aren’t we all riled up this evening. An 8-2 win is like huffing glue to a Tribe fan at this point. It’s 0.002%, let’s just concentrate on getting down to 3.5 games and FREEING ANDY FUCKING MARTE.
by gte619n on May 27, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Did you ever stop huffing glue, Charlie? ... Did you huff glue today?
by fleerdon on May 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
(to Wedge) this obviously wasn’t Laffey at his sharpest
Wedge: But he pitches. But he pitches
brilliant
by ahowie on May 27, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A reporter must be reading these gamethreads because he is asking Wedge all the right questions concerning Marte.
According to Wedge, he is planning on trying to get him some more consistent time. This was said after he praised him for his game tonight.
!!!!!
i’ll see it when i believe it
by Gradyforpresident on May 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What were the specific questions? Cause I doubt they were asking all the right questions. Just might seem that way when they occasionally show they’re not catatonic.
Yeah you might be right. What I remember was the guy just asking Wedge what he thought about Marte’s performance tonight and then after Wedge praised it he followed by inquiring if Wedge would try to use him more and if he could do anything with some consistent playing time.
I don’t know. Maybe we got whooped up in a group-think frenzy. It’s hard to imagine Marte being bombastic and calling in scorn – plus you know Shapiro and Crew weren’t happy with Blake’s numbers – any amateur blogger could see that they were horrific. Maybe Jay’s right and it’s a weather thing. Who knows.
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
wait what do they call it when we score more runs in 9 innings than the other team?
by DontCallMeJoey on May 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
I…love you?!
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mine. Not yours.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on May 27, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
But the cat slept on my suit coat. I could really use a fresh ironing there.
Leftover stuffed chicken and a framed wallet-sized Andy Marte photo in return.
Let me dream – it’s the least you could do.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on May 27, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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