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The Incredibly Streaky ... Jhonny Peralta.

I am amazed at a player that ebbs and flows so much as Jhonny. Check out his first two months in 2007 and 2008:

2007

Apr 2 - Apr 14: .321 BA .948 OPS

Apr 15 - May 14: .223 BA .748 OPS (buoyed by 6 HRs)

May 15 - May 29: .389 BA 1.049 OPS

2008

Mar 31 - Apr 11: .324 BA .991 OPS

Apr 12 - May 13: .149 BA .480 OPS (ouch)

May 14 - May 30: .308 BA 1.060 OPS

 

Almost mirror images and really show you how maddening Jhonny's performance can be. He has been around for so long, we forget he is only 26 years old. He could have a season where he "puts it all together" and minimized these cold streaks. If he can do that ... wow .. it would be some spectacular numbers overall.

So, why are fans always eager to show him the door? He will probably be our top homerun hitter for the season (unless Grady really breaks out) on a team that has recently relied on the homerun to even have a chance of winning any games. It would be a huge folly to even consider trading him for the next few years, regardless of what our record is.

 

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Jhonny gets dumped on—fat shortstop, no range, etc.—because of his demeanor. He’s laid back. No jumping around like Tom Veryzer. This is unfortunate because he really is a very good player. His postseason should have given him all sorts of credit. (He crushed a ball to center field at Fenway that would have been out of the park had he hit it anyplace other than deepest part of the park. I don’t recall the details of the situation, but I remember it as potentially game-changing had it gone out. Was it off Wakefield in game four? In which case it didn’t matter.)

Regarding his “putting it all together,” though, that doesn’t happen much to Cleveland players.

by odradek on May 31, 2008 11:59 AM EDT   0 recs

was off schilling in game 2 – put us up 4-3 (were down 3-1 and we were all starting to get nervous on LGT). was an absolutely massive shot

by Gradyforpresident on May 31, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully he changes the pattern a little bit for 2008. In 2007, the rest of the months were:

June: .262 BA with .757 OPS
July: .275 BA with .767 OPS
August: .243 BA with .612 OPS
September: .262 BA with .789 OPS

I suppose it could be that those numbers consist of hot and cold streaks, but looking at the numbers – he definitely has his best month early on (May).

I love Jhonny and we really need his bat to be contributing as much as possible this year to make up for the incredible disappearing power hitters.

by steincat on May 31, 2008 12:13 PM EDT   0 recs

I’ve come to the conclusion that Jhonny Peralta is our Adam Dunn.

Have you ever talked to a Reds fan about Dunn? They hate him. Despite the fact that he routinely hits 40 homers and has carried a line of .248/.379/.527 over the past three years, all Reds fans can talk about are his strikeouts and his inability to hit in the clutch (which is, incidentally, the best criticism you can make of an otherwise awesome player, since the definition of clutch hitting is so arbitrary). Admittedly, the strikeouts are a problem, but Dunn’s strengths as a hitter (tons of power, tons of patience) far outweigh his drawbacks (that he’s not contact oriented), and objectively speaking, he’s been the most valuable player on that club, outside of maybe Harang, for the last five or six years.

Jhonny’s also been extremely valuable for the Tribe, but for different reasons. From 2005-2007, he’s put up a line of .342/.442/.784. Right now he’s second on the team and second among all AL shortstops in VORP with 8.5, and last year (at age 25) he was fifth on the team and sixth among AL shortstops with a VORP of 26.3. I think that people tend to forget how young Jhonny is since he’s seemingly been around forever; while he hasn’t been performing at the superstar level he reached in 2005, he has been league average or better for his position pretty much every year in his young career. That bodes very well for his future, especially given his extremely club-friendly contract.

I understand why people get frustrated with Jhonny-as you pointed out, he is very streaky (although, even during his ‘cold period’ this year, a .748 OPS is pretty damn decent for a SS) and his inability to make contact is frustrating. But he’s cheap, has patience and tons of power, and is young and improving-he’ll hit 30 HR this year and get that OBP up to .320 or so-all while playing a premium defensive position (if only adequately). Also, he was huge in the playoffs last year, and would have been a shoo-in for the ALCS MVP had we won. I think casual fans dislike him because they don’t really understand the more objective methods of assessing a player’s value that have cropped up in the last decade or so-they see a chubby SS with a low BA who isn’t Omar Vizquel and they get pissed off. Fortunately, I don’t think our front office feels the same way, and i’m expecting big things from Jhonny over the next three years or so.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 31, 2008 12:16 PM EDT   2 recs

correction

in the second paragraph, I meant to write that, from 2005-2007, he’s put up a line of .272/.342/.442

by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 31, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i was going to add to this thread, but you beat me to it.

jhonny peralta, in the real and alternative and good universe, was the ALCS MVP if we would have won in game 5 or 6. in 7, you could make the case for westbrook.

by Gradyforpresident on May 31, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Peralta

deserves alot more credit than he gets. People have to realize that he’s above average offensively and little below average defensively … which makes for a pretty good shortstop.

here’s a little tidbit:

Jimmy Rollins: 99 career OPS+
Jhonny Peralta: 100 career OPS+

by JP_Frost on May 31, 2008 1:34 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah, but rollins LOOKS more like a shortstop.

i don’t follow a lot of NL. rollins is a pretty good defender, right?

by Brick. on May 31, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rollins is a very good defender though not a brilliant one.

by Jay on May 31, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he’s definately alot better with the glove than Peralta and he also steals a ton of bases, but I just put it out there to show that Peralta isn’t as bad as some might think … or that Rollins isn’t as good as some might think (atleast not mvp worthy)

by JP_Frost on May 31, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All true.

by Jay on May 31, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well….OPS+ isn’t a cumulative stat. Some would argue and I can agree with it that Rollins won it on his cumulative numbers for the season, and he did it. We can all say so and so would put up the same numbers if he had the same number of at-bats, but Rollins actually did it. Who’s the better player or who’s the one that actually produced.

But, point taken, Peralta’s offensive contributions are pretty undervalued

by hans on Jun 1, 2008 1:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You may not be aware, but Rollins actually set the all-time record for plate appearances (778) last season, yet he still was only 7th in the NL in runs created last season, and only 2nd among shortstops. Hanley Ramirez led him 127 to 122, and made 68 fewer outs while doing it. It wasn’t a silly MVP choice on the level of Morneau, but it was pretty damned silly.

by Jay on Jun 1, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

true true, but assuming all the silly “rules” of awarding the MVP award (i.e. a player on a winning team is somehow more valuable than a player of equal performance on a losing team) than the pool of players who really have a shot the award narrows. Hanley is better, yet Rollins was on a winning team. Its pretty bogus. The fact that he set the all-time record can be a feat in itself, not an outstanding feat, but a feat nonetheless.

by hans on Jun 1, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that’s an insane amount of plate appearances.

by Gradyforpresident on Jun 1, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tox, didn’t think you’d mind, I updated the article with the exact OPS as of the end of yesterday’s game.

by Jay on May 31, 2008 2:45 PM EDT   0 recs

i love: .748 OPS (buoyed by 6 HRs)

why didn’t you do that for all of them? 1.049 OPS (anchored by 10 strikeouts)

by Brick. on May 31, 2008 2:53 PM EDT   0 recs

lol .. good point, but I just thought I would point it out.

by Toxicadam on May 31, 2008 11:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and it’s worth point out. just funny when you think about it.

by Brick. on Jun 1, 2008 9:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just for fun — yeah, that weird — I thought I’d look up the BABIP for each period Tox isolated:

Apr 2 – Apr 14: .321 BA .948 OPS — .364
Apr 15 – May 14: .223 BA .748 OPS — .238
May 15 – May 29: .389 BA 1.049 OPS — .419

2008

Mar 31 – Apr 11: .324 BA .991 OPS — .321
Apr 12 – May 13: .149 BA .480 OPS — .169
May 14 – May 30: .308 BA 1.060 OPS — .314

What’s not surprising is that the BABIP is such a huge part of the overall fluctuation.

What is surprising is that Jhonny’s BABIP is so low for 2008 as a whole — .244, compared to his career number of .319. That suggests strongly that he’s hit into a bunch of bad luck.

That horrible 31 days in the middle there is showing horrifically bad luck. But the first two weeks and last two weeks, there’s no real indication of good luck, those BABIP numbers are normal for him. Outside of a bunch of bad bounces, he’s actually having a huge year.

His “predicted OPS” is 839, which is the 16th best in the AL. There 19 players in the AL whose OPS is 75 points lower than “predicted,” and the Indians have five of them — or looking at it another we only have seven “qualified” everyday hitters, and five of them have been hit for more than 75 points of bad luck.

by Jay on May 31, 2008 3:15 PM EDT   1 recs

looking at the BABIP data—there have been numerous times over the past month and a half or so where I’ve seen Jhonny absolutely scorch a ball, but hit it directly at the opposing 3B or SS. I remember one game against the White Sox a few weeks ago where he got absolutely robbed by Crede in two separate ABs. . . I’ve actually been saying to myself “Damn, he’s really smashing the ball this year but he just keeps hitting it right at people.” Nice to see that the objective evidence confirms my subjective impression of what’s happening. . .

by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 31, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but don’t get used to it. Every time I start thinking that my “gut” is “seeing” the “data” right, some assumption comes up to smack me right in the face. Last season it was Barfield’s defense. The eyes tell lies …

by Jay on May 31, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn’t you have to look at his LD,GB, and IF/F percentages to show whether it is Jhonny’s fault that his BABIP numbers have been low or whether it is really luck?

by gahnki on May 31, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

It would help, and I suspect that it wasn’t all luck — but I’m not sure of that.

At .169, though, it pretty much has to have been mostly luck.

by Jay on Jun 1, 2008 1:09 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

so true.

the majority of tribe fans are still convinced that Barfield is an amazing defensive 2B. I probably would too, if it weren’t for the fact that baseball prospectus’ FRAA, THT’s RZR, and several other systems are all in agreement that he sucks. it blew my mind to see how vastly different my subjective impressions were to those objective ratings. . .

by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 31, 2008 8:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Did they really say that he sucked or that he was just average or below average?

by gahnki on May 31, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think they actually said he sucked. Actually I believe according to RZR he was the worst second baseman in the AL and the third worse overall when considering both the AL and NL

by hans on Jun 1, 2008 1:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m going with “sucked,” but he was a bit above-average in 2006. Peralta also does poorly with RZR, but FRAA has him as a little above-average, so it’s not as clear-cut.

Players do have up and down years on defense, just not with as much frequency or variation as with hitting. I would love to know how he’s doing defensively in Buffalo, but I doubt we’ll get any number on that — errors and fielding percentage if we’re lucky. I guess we could probably hand-calculate range factor if we were highly motivated. I think it’s a reasonable guess that he can be solid-average-plus defensively as long as he works at it, particularly on his flexibility, reaction and positioning.

by Jay on Jun 1, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we saw a dip in his defensive play when he struggled offensively. Josh probably lost all confidence in his play last year and became frustrated enough that it affected the defensive side as well.

I have a problem with zone RZR, though. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe it does anything to adjust for a player having defenders who have a high zone rating playing next to them in the field.

by gahnki on Jun 1, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t even know if you’re right or wrong, but assuming you’re right, that would mean that Barfield is even worse than RZR shows him to be.

by Jay on Jun 1, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wasn’t really applying it to this topic. I was thinking more along the lines of how the rating would affect Grady with Gutz being in right.

by gahnki on Jun 1, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you know that seems to make sense. Gutz would be taking away opportunities from Sizemore and giving Gutz OOZ plays. These are plays that Sizemore may be able to make himself. I don’t think it matters as much in the infield in regards to the middle infielders relating to each other, but more-so with the middle infielder and the corner infielder next to him.

by hans on Jun 1, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do think there are balls that either one could get to, which will hurt their RZR and OOZ, but there aren’t all that many — remember, there are also balls that neither can get to.

There is also a compensating factor, which is that the raw range of the outfielders affects the way the coaches position them. No matter who is in left field (now that Michaels is gone), Sizemore’s plus range and Gootz’s plus-plus range means that both will be shaded a little more towards left field. I think we can expect that Sizemore will get to nearly as many extra balls in left-center do to positioning as he will “lose” to Gootz in right-center.

by Jay on Jun 1, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That makes sense.

by hans on Jun 1, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anyone have any numbers on the difference between the number of balls hit to left center compared to right center?

by gahnki on Jun 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure how we’d define the zones, but more balls are hit to LF than RF as a rule.

by Jay on Jun 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

going off the comparisons. . .

someone above brought up the fact that JP has a higher career OPS than 2007 NL MVP Jimmy Rollins. . .

so I got curious and wanted to compare Jhonny’s age 23-26 seasons with some other shortstops from around the league:

JP’s OPS+
2005 – 137
2006 – 83
2007 – 100
2008 – 104 (work in progress, obviously)

Jimmy Rollins (age 23-26): 85, 90, 102, 107

Miguel Tejada (age 23-26, and yes, I think these #’s are correctly matched, as it shows 2008 as his age 34 season): 51, 79, 95, 111

Michael Young (age 24-26): 80, 78, 97

Edgar Renteria (age 23-26): 84, 92, 77, 113

and just for the hell of it, Derek Jeter (age 23-26): 103, 127, 153, 128

now, I don’t want to draw too many conclusions from these numbers, because Peralta’s body type and playing style obviously differ from some of these players. However, in Jhonny’s young career, he’s already playing at a higher level than several All-Star caliber shortstops were at his age. As I said above, just being league average at age 23 or 24 is usually a harbinger of good things to come, and while we can see that Jhonny probably will never cross into the elite echelon with SS like Jeter and Hanley Ramirez, I think that this comparison really illustrates how much people underrate the guy—it’s certainly reasonable to expect him to post five or six seasons with an OPS+ of 120 or more as he hits his prime as a hitter, which would be wonderful.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jun 1, 2008 3:22 AM EDT   0 recs

ok, after looking at this again, I should clarify—it’s reasonable to expect Jhon to average a 120 OPS+ over the next couple of years, which would be excellent for a shortstop.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jun 1, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

HIRE PERALTA!!!

That’s about the only contribution I can make to this thread that hasn’t already been said.

Great work guys.

by gte619n on Jun 1, 2008 1:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Is Jay letting people write in the subject line now?

by afh4 on Jun 2, 2008 12:35 AM EDT   0 recs

Not always :(

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 2, 2008 12:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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