Game Thread: May 4, 2008
Kansas City Royals @ Cleveland Indians
Kansas City at Cleveland, 1:05 (WKYC)
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I posted this in macasson’s diary, but this seems like a more appropriate place.
Did anyone else read Pluto’s take on Hafner’s swing in today’s PD (or cleveland.com, linked through the Browns’ page)? Anyone think it’s legitimate?
Here’s the link. And part of the passage as a tease:
There is something wrong with Travis Hafner’s swing. The result is that he seems to be "pulling his head out." That means he’s not following the ball with his eyes. It also means that his right shoulder tends to move up—creating an uppercut swing. There are some things that he’s doing earlier in his at-bat that causes all this, but that’s the problem.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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That’s what the guys on the ESPN broadcast were saying last Monday as well. He certainly doesn’t seem to recognize pitches as well as he did.
by Ryan on
May 4, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
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I would like to see them remove the step forward from his swing. Having him step up then down in the same spot will simplify the swing and remove some movement from it.
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May 4, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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G. Sizemore
F. Gutierrez
D. Dellucci
V. Martinez
J. Peralta
T. Hafner
R. Garko
C. Blake
A. Cabrera
by JK in CBus on
May 4, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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free marte for fuck’s sake
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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It has gotten to the point where I’ve stopped caring about him…not because I don’t think he’s talented but because there is no point in ever expecting playing time for him.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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Yea, I have to say that this is getting ridiculous. Marte can do no worse than Casey Blake.
Hell, all of us could do no worse at this point.
by gahnki on
May 4, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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The definition of insanity…. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
by JK in CBus on
May 4, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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As desperate as Wedge appears to be to infuse life into the hitters, you’d think he’d be willing to try just about any reasonable thing. Thus, the continuing non-presence of Marte makes me think that he’s really stinking the joint up in BP and other drills. This must run deeper that just any personal misgivings; Wedge must have some evidence that makes him believe that a lineup with Marte in it is actually worse than one without him, regardless of how poorly the regulars are hitting.
by Fiddlesticks on
May 4, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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I really want to resist giving Wedge any more credit than we have to. He should still be playing at least once a week, fuck what he looks like in BP
by NickFantana on
May 4, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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He is classic “gets it” to me. Throw strikes, throw your best pitches, and don’t elevate the ball.
by afh4 on
May 4, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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do you think it helps Laffey that we’ve got too other GB-pitchers on the staff (albeit very different in their own right)?
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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Helps? How? Like they talk to him about strategy?
Maybe. I dunno. I think it’s more that the organization has a penchant for these guys and focuses on their development. Even the ones who don’t have a great sinker, like Sean Smith, have still gotten results by just pounding the zone.
by afh4 on
May 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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I was thinking of both advice, but also coaches having a better sense of how to get the most out of his stuff
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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Kind of annoyed we are backing up the staff instead of keeping them near their normal rest.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
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We continue to swing and hit like ass-fuck.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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So I have football players that live below me. My wake up call recently has been their fucking sound system. If I go ask them to stick that system up their ass, what are the chances I get to live?
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
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where at
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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what kind of football players we talking about; pop warner, high school, college, or pro?
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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that’s what i meant
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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college. Next commercial break I’m going.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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What college?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
May 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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Nebraska. We sucked this past year. I like my chance.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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cornhuskers…I don’t know. Skill players or linemen?
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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Skill players kick your butt faster
by JK in CBus on
May 4, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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I would ask them to stop and if they don’t then contact Mr. Pelini. Tell him I sent you.
by gahnki on
May 4, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10290975
Scroll down to the “Hot seller” part.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
May 4, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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Makes little difference an NU – they’re all steroid fed lunatics. For godsakes just chill Schaf – unless you’re suicidal.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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Led by Ohio State alum…....Bo Pelini.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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Are you cheering for Alex Gordon?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
May 4, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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Or, heaven forfend, Joba Chamberlain?
by Fiddlesticks on
May 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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I root for him to suck less then last year…but never during an Indian game. I think I’ve also mentioned my Joba thoughts a billion times.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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what college
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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One got drafted he’s no longer there. The other moved to California. So I’m not sure who’s left.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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I don’t know….Sounds like you’ve got the bitter one left. I might wait this one out.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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You’re right Schaf could be British and they’re soccer players – in which case go down there Schaf and bitch slap those punks and tell ‘em next time they wake you up you’re gonna kill and eat one of ‘em.
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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Zero – those boys just love to hit things – especially if they’re bigger than the things the hit. My advice – sleeping pills and ear plugs
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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I wearing hearing aids…..don’t wear them when I sleep and they still woke me up. Ear plugs aren’t going to work.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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i seriously love aaron laffey
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
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I like your old-school plain-C hats. Is that just a one-game thing?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
May 4, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
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dude laffey is the best
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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going out to eat let’s go tribe
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
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Atom Miller’s pitching for Buffalo today. 2 Ks (both swinging) in the 1st.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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How long until he comes up to be a set up guy? Or am I dreaming?
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
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It’s possible, but my guess not until mid-June at the earliest.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
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I’d be more afraid of the Cornhuskers OL if I were you.
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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I should be able to get around them. Everyone else did.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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You’re dreamin’ – now wake up or do I hafta get a coupla OL to go upstairs and wake you up?
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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I’m good at curling up into a ball….
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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Just don’t let them call the “fumblerooski” on you
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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line out? hard?
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by Gradyforpresident on
May 4, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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Jhonny won’t spend as much time…...ground out to 3B
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
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What is “the Cabrera question”?
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
May 4, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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Is everyone of the offensive players except Victor and Grady tradeable?
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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I don’t….I’ll take his defense even while his offense is struggling. And I think his offense will come back around.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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I know, I think I’m in the minority here, we discussed this at length in the offseason, especially with Haren rumors. I really like his defense, but I don’t see how he is going to approach “non-tradeable” status with that swing.
by DaytonDogg on
May 5, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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Leaving aside your apparently obtuse evaluation of AbaCab as player (or prospect), you seem to be under the impression that we have other great 2B/SS options for 2009-2013. Maybe you could identify them for me, because I have no idea who they are. Our best middle infield prospects, in no particular order, are:
- • Josh Rodriguez, marginal defense at SS and expected to move to 2B, a year older than AbaCab and (so far) putting up poorer numbers in Akron at 23 than AbaCab did at 21.
- Carlos Rivero, will turn 20 in a couple weeks, standout defender at SS but not explosive with the bat, if he can get as far as AbaCab did by age 21 next season, that will be good news.
- Jared Goedert, will turn 23 later this month and is a bit old for Kinston, decent 2B but may eventually move to 3B if his bat allows, some injury problems, frankly looking a bit like the next Joe Inglett at the moment.
I’m about as big of a Peralta guy as there is around here, but I can’t say he’s necessarily the answer beyond our 2011 club option. And as fringy as Peralta’s defense is at SS, Barfield’s isn’t much better at 2B, and his bat is fringy at any position.
So AbaCab is more or less untradeable because if he were at Buffalo right now, he would be considered by far both our best and our closest prospect for the middle infield, and especially for shortstop, and we do not have great depth overall at these positions.
by Jay on
May 5, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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I totally agree with you. Like I said originally, I don’t like that Asdrubal is untradeable, but he is because of our lack of organizational depth at middle IF. But leaving aside relative value to position, I don’t think he is a good hitter, and I don’t like that a below average hitter is untradeable.
by DaytonDogg on
May 5, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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No way in hell anybody’d trade for Hafner and his contract – no way.
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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Again, if Mike Hampton and his contract could get traded - with six years and $84.5 million left on his deal - anything is possible. Colorado ate 43% of the contract - some of it indirectly, by taking on two smaller bad contracts from the Marlins - but Atlanta agreed to take on the other 57%—$48.5 million over six years.
Hafner will still be owed $51.75 at the end of 2008, and 57% of that is about $29.5 million. Some team could buy low on Hafner, committing that much money over four years with a fifth-year option, betting essentially that he can turn it around. With the amount of money floating around MLB, don’t be surprised if some team was willing to do that.
After all, Hampton certainly wasn’t any more impressive in his pre-collapse years than Hafner was in his.
by Jay on
May 4, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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It’s the sleep deprevation dude – you’ll be fine as soon as those guys move or you do.
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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Laffey continues to baffle me. I keep expecting him to get torched and he keeps telling me to fuck off.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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Lord Kelvin’s line so far today in Lake County: 3IP, 0H, 0R, 0BB, 4Ks
by APV on
May 4, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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Every time I think that the Tribe has the worst offense in the ML all I gotta do is look at Tony Pena Jr.’s numbers. Wow, he’s bad!
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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At least we are pitching really well as of late….
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May 4, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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My boy Garko still still handle that belt high fastball.
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May 4, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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So how much longer before Shap sends AstrCab to Buffalo?
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Carroll with a trade for a back-up.
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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Right now your sister Eileen is a better option than AstroCab.
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by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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You’re fast becoming the most vehement Tribe-bashing guy I know.
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May 4, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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I ain’t bashin’ but you better believe some heads are gonna roll soon. Right now JMike and AstroCab are two of the top candidates.
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May 4, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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They’re situations aren’t comparable. JMike should go wayyyyyy before Astro Cab. Give Cabrera the month of May. If he isn’t showing signs of recovering his bat then you can talk about AAA.
by Joe. on
May 4, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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Durrrr…..early May but you get the point!
by Joe. on
May 4, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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Casey no beard sucks more than Casey beard.
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May 4, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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I mean…can’t he at least start throwing around some pies?
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May 4, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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I feel a Grady sizing up a shot here against Meche.
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May 4, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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that did not look like a good swing from ‘droob
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May 4, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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I remember awhile ago I said I liked pitchers duels…........boy did I put my foot in my mouth.
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May 4, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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This is also between two bad offenses. It’s a lot more exciting when two pitchers are dealing against good offenses.
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May 4, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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melky cabrera would now be leading the indians in home runs
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May 4, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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Victor with a single. Ugly dive by Gordon.
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May 4, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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ITS THE KANSAS CITY ROYALS…......YOU OVERRATED PIECES OF SHIT. LETS FUCKING GO.
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May 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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Is it me or does Jim Donovan suck as a baseball announcer? And didn’t he mess up the Julio chant?
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May 4, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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Not sure if this has been posted but:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-royals-bale&prov=ap&type=lgns
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May 4, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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“Ironically, Bale was making progress with his shoulder problem and it was hoped he would come off the DL in the next few days”
That’s my favorite line.
by gahnki on
May 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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cancel the postgame show
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
May 4, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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Royals announcers are impressed by Sabathia’s media savy comments.
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May 4, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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What the fuck
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 4, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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Casey Blake…the time is now for you to injure yourself in a home accident
by APV on
May 4, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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maybe a bad spider bite…fall off of a ladder…broken glass…whatever it takes
by APV on
May 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Is this the second game in a row that Laffey has been hurt by a Blake error? Or am I thinking of another game?
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May 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Several of the Yankees hits in the 4-run 6th last Monday were infield hits to third – not sure that Blake had a good play on any of them, IIRC, but that’s probably what you’re thinking of.
O/c there’s also his butchering of Vic’s throw against SEA
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May 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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Yeah, probably just me projecting all the team’s problems on Blake
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May 4, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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a weird tourette’s syndrome-like tick on Wedge’s behalf?
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May 4, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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I’m not even sure why I bother watching a game anymore.
Constants of the 2008 Indians
Bats don’t work
Casey can’t field
Skinner will run us out of any big innings
Bullpen sucks
Jesus hates me
I cry
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May 4, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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Should have been a scoreless inning. I’m sick of this guy. Like “I don’t want to watch if he’s playing” sick of him
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May 4, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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well. I was doing a good job of staying away in Laffey superstition … but DAMN IT CASEY. Wedge keeps trottin’ him out there. And he continues to suck.
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.
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May 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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If I had a kid, he/she’d say to me right now,
“Daddy, why does that guy with the chin make you sad?”
by APV on
May 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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So is it official now that Aaron Laffey has the worst luck of any major league player?
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May 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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No. Bad luck is not the equivalent of Casey Blake playing 3B. Thats just fate.
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May 4, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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we’ll know for sure if during interleague play “Born Under a Bad Sign” comes on when he’s up at bat…
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May 4, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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The best part is the fuck bag gets to come up and strike out.
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May 4, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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Their third-baseman is having fielding issues as well.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
May 4, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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How in the world is that not an error?
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May 4, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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I might just assume every ball hit to third base might be an error though.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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At least Casey swung and hit the ball hard that time.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
May 4, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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Let’s Go Tribe! Cautiously optimistic….or determinedly pessimistic?
by APV on
May 4, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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Rioting in the public square with torches and pitchforks.
Free Andy Marte!
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May 4, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Things have turned very bad for Atom Miller…but he’s getting Ks and groundouts
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May 4, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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That was good defense, for purposes of contrast
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May 4, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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Christ this offense is bad enough without giving away a third of an inning.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
May 4, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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Remember when the worst batter in our lineup was Omar Vizquel? That was fun.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
May 4, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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A different kind of fun.
Il faut d'abord durer.
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May 4, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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I suppose so. And that fun was more consistent with my Nintendo/Atari/AppleIIe childhood
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May 4, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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Looch is changing it up – this time he flies out to right instead of left.
Free Andy Marte!
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May 4, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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Why any team would pitch to Victor Martinez with a base open is amazing to me.
Free Andy Marte!
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May 4, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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Royals fan roommate seems disturbed.
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May 4, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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.......................fuck…..............
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May 4, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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Indians are 2nd in AL (to Texas) in sac bunts
by palcal on
May 4, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
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Texas can’t win either.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
May 4, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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Offense has to be better than ours.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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9 homeless people they find outside the stadium can hit better than us
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
May 4, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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Jim Donovan please go away until the Browns season begins
by APV on
May 4, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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Just what this game needed, moar infield hits
by ahowie on
May 4, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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put on the lotion and place it in the bucket!
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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time to noun this noun-ing game and hit the noun-ing snot out of the noun noun ball, for noun’s sake
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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Jhonny with a decent at bat…..or prolonging the inevitable.
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May 4, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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What you wanna be a right-winged asshole?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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I have a really big fake smile. Who can’t love me?
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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See this is all very nostaglic to me – brings me back to my early adolescents – when the Indians really sucked donkey balls.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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I say we just bring up the whole Lake County team for a series. They’re all pretty old anyway, and it likely doesn’t matter when their option clocks get started. Let’s just put the whole team on the DL (posiiton players, that is), bring up the Captains, and see what happens.
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May 4, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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keep on rolling over on balls, team. this is the most pathetic offensive perormance i’ve ever seen. meche isn’t even dominating.
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.
by westbrook on
May 4, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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Royals announcers state otherwise..
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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kobayashi seems to pitch in every game these days, no?
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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Might as well. Give him experience in games we are behind.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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he’s the setup guy but there is nothing to setup
by palcal on
May 4, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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so basically our pitching staff must have a collective ERA of 0.00 for us to even have a chance of winning
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
May 4, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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and with defense like today, that might not be enough.
by DaytonDogg on
May 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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ugh our defense is trying to compete with the craptasticness of our offense
by ahowie on
May 4, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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Laffey’s 0.00 today is looking like a loser
by palcal on
May 4, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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No defense, long streches without offense and the occasional outburst…..it feels like 06 with a slightly better bullpen, maybe.
by NickFantana on
May 4, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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and ESPN picked us to win the world series this year?
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
May 4, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Picked the Tigers last year. should have known it was bad.
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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dayton
reggina won this morning. I woke up and was shocked as I followed the game on ESPN Italia. Big upset I guess.
by gahnki on
May 4, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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I saw that, not good for Catania, bad loss at home.
by DaytonDogg on
May 4, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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POTuniverise
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
by joeee on
May 4, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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universe, wow.
my helmet has, like, no pine tar on it.
by joeee on
May 4, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Good news: After today,. we’re only 9 games away from the magic 40! Then we’ll know for sure our offense is terrible.
by NickFantana on
May 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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Watch the hitting pick up slightly around then.
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May 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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It’s just time to mix it up. Shoppach behind the plate for a few days, Vic at 1B, Marte at 3B, and Mastny works the 8th inning.
Just kidding about the last part.
by xrickx on
May 4, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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depends on his ability to drop the sac bunt
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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hafner working the concession stand?
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
May 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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Never thought I’d look forward to pitchers hitting…...
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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poop on poop with a poop sauce covered in poop flakes
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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Note I don’t consider that good, but I expect a .10 separation between BA and OBP for Barfield.
by Pronktastic on
May 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Hm, we do need a middle of the order hitter, that might do it.
by DaytonDogg on
May 4, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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that at bat sums a lot of shit up
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on
May 4, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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victor martinez’ average is about 10 points lower than casey blake’s slugging percentage.
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May 4, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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It’s starting to look like we need another overreaction thread. We’re about to get swept by KC. (Yeah, two game series, but so what?)
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
May 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Are you kidding? The middle of our lineup is coming up….
by mjschaefer on
May 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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on the bright side, adam miller gave up 10 hits in 3.2 innings today for buffalo.
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May 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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but on the actual bright side, he K’ed 4 and only walked 1. And all 7 of his in play outs were ground balls. He got unlucky and had some bad defense.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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not saying he was great…but he wasn’t as bad as the numbers might suggest
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May 4, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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i didn’t watch the start, so i can’t contest to how hard the balls were struck. but 10 hits in under 4 innings is…impressive.
by xrickx on
May 4, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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2 2bs, 8 singles…not the hardest hit of balls.
by APV on
May 4, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Too bad neither Mastny or Breslow are on the roster huh?
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May 4, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Too bad neither of them have the first name, “Raffie”. Maybe they should look into making a change….
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May 4, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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well, we can’t give up. This is still a one run game, and who knows, maybe Soria’s arm will fall off and some other guy will come in and promptly throw 16 straight balls. We can win this! or at least tie.
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May 4, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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At this point, I think Breslow Mastny and Perez are all turning in roughly equivalent performances. And as the last Mastny/Breslow outings proved, they need semi-regular work to be effective.
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May 4, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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In conclusion, I don’t feel using either Mastny or Breslow would be “giving up” I feel like it would be “managing.”
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May 4, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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To continue this one-sided conversation, last year the COT was all cute and shit cause we won 96 games and all the COT members were almost flawless down the stretch. This year is feeling different. Like the overreliance on Raffies could doom them.
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May 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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I kinda agree. Except I don’t think Mastny and Breslow can even perform at shitty-Perez levels. If this game was 4-0, I would want them coming in, but not 1-0.
by DaytonDogg on
May 4, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Point taken. And it’s all moot now anyway. Mastny for closer!
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May 4, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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I’m cracking up reading this thread guys. In public. Love APV’s LC Captains comp. Chuck’s nostalgia; I feel that a little too. Lots of excellence.
I’m rooting for humor at this point,
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May 4, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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I have got to imagine there’s more entertaining things for you to be doing than watch the Indians move our mood meter to 1.7
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May 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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There probably are, and when I was here 8 years ago I’m sure I did some of them. But now I’m old(er) and staying with my brother’s family including two little nieces. This is plenty of fun at the moment.
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May 4, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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A Ha! I thought you were drunk. How’s the Dutch national squad look? Hire their 3rd basemen. Hire their best bat. Hire their fucking hitting coach.
by jhon on
May 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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Here APV this if for you. I couldn’t find a video so this will hafta do.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
May 4, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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What in the world are we taking out Perez for?
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May 4, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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nope – demoted to “MIKE MYERS”
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.
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May 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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hey! its our micromanager!
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.
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I’m visualizing a 2 foot version of Wedge scurrying out of the dugout to take the ball from Perez. He has to hold the ball with both arms.
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May 4, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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i want baseball fired.
FIRE BASEBALL.
The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.
by westbrook on
May 4, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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call up football from the minors
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
May 4, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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Cricket is an interesting game. Our depth will be good for those 5-day tests they have.
by jhon on
May 4, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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I do enjoy a nice cricket match…I prefer the one day matches, but those 5-day affairs do make for good background sports
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May 4, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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Anything you need to know about cricket, I’m your man.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
May 4, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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not enough closer work to keep Betancourt sharp
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May 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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I literally just got done saying to my dad “I hope the wheels don’t fall off and we end up short a closer going to New York.”
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Yeah that worked. See you guys.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
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Betancourt is taking the title of “Indians Closer” too seriously.
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POTW, I’ll nominate it tomorrow. Swear to God.
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because we’re cleveland fans
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
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