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It is what it is. If he wants to yell and scream after a strikeout, I guess that's what gets him going. It's May baseball.

The home run was in a much bigger situation. I didn't dance and scream. If a hitter did something like that, it would be bush.

It's kind of interesting how a pitcher gets away with it.

Dave Dellucci

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Of course this had to come on the last game between the two teams. This could have become interesting.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 8, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

The “personal celebration” is a negative twist in team sports. This would include the football TD or sack dance and the various gestures in basketball. Animated gesturing by a pitcher or hitter communicate the wrong message. These are team sports and, unlike golf or tennis, it is desprectful to your own teammates when you imply that your effort stands above theirs. On the other hand, group celebrations seem fine.

by elsandito on May 8, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Well us old guys remember when Jim Brown usta flip the football to the official after scoring one of his 126 TDs. The spike thing started with Ronnie Reagan – every thing bad starts with him – in that Knute Rochne travesty. But Sandy, you and I are a coupla old men, we remember when all athletes respected one another and had some class- that’s seems like it was during another eon.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 9, 2008 7:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It was an age when most people were satisfied with whatever drama the game itself produced. And, admittedly, there were plenty of games that didn’t produce a heck of a lot of drama. Now that sports have become so lucrative, any additional drama that keeps people interested is welcome by all of the parties that benefit from this windfall. The fans enjoy the intrigue (unless it’s your qb that is laying there while some guy does his sack dance). I’m in favor of whatever keeps the fans coming back.

by elsandito on May 9, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Of all the personal celebrations in sports, for me the sack dance is the worst. You did your job. Go back to the huddle and high five your teammates there.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on May 9, 2008 8:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed. The sack is a huge, dramatic play, and just taking down the QB ought to be satisfying enough.

by Jay on May 9, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The only appropriate “celebratory” response to a sack is the in-the-moment yell in the guy’s face you just threw down move. That I can stand by. Dances? Unless you’re a sissy running back in the end zone, there should be no dances in football.

by APV on May 9, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I crack up when I see a guy do the sack dance and his team is down 20 pts. I tell myself, do ya have to let the world know what a clown you are?

by elsandito on May 9, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My dad always says that his HS coach told them, “If you do something well, walk away like you expected to be that good.”

by fleerdon on May 9, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don’t know … I find it worse when someone down 35-7 makes the first down signal, or when a DB celebrates a tackle after the WR gets 8 on 2nd and 10.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 9, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Those two are at the top of my list, but #1 is when a DB makes a tackle after the ballcarrier gets the first down. 2nd and 6, tight end catches a pass across the middle for a 9-yard gain. Cornerback comes across and trips him up by the ankles, gets up, and does a little shimmy.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 9, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yea that too. I don’t even notice those any more – probably block the idiots out.

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 9, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dellucci is totally old school. I love it.

Remember when Barfield and Jason Phillips had a collision last year? Phillips yelled out after Barfield and Dellucci got right up in Phillips’ grill. Totally had Barfield’s back!

NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.

by crazymoloh on May 8, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

That was great.

BBTN just showed Dellucci’s reaction to his home run on Tuesday. It could not have been more restrained and professional. As low-key as you’re imagining it was, having just read that, it was even a little more low-key. Huge contrast.

by Jay on May 8, 2008 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i remember that. just fantastic. i don’t know why more clevelanders aren’t in love with dellucci. dude has a beard and everything.

by Brick. on May 8, 2008 11:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Old school, baby!

NBR (No Borowski Run): Refers to that run which puts the Indians up by 4 over an opponent, thereby drastically reducing the chances of Joe Borowski pitching in a game.

by crazymoloh on May 9, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A new entry for the D-bag of the year contest. Be warned, Pedroia.

“That’s who I am,” Chamberlain said. “Everybody knows that.”

by macasson on May 8, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Deal with it.

by Brick. on May 8, 2008 11:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It really is a pity they won’t met again during the regular season.

by macasson on May 8, 2008 11:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

O’Doyle Rules!!!

by APV on May 9, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

fer now i have to study

what are you doing at this hour? studying . . . or . . . drinking?

by macasson on May 9, 2008 12:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

waking up….6 am my time…got to get busy measuring bones

by APV on May 9, 2008 1:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I admire the work ethic. I’ll be in Germany – Swabian Albs – to work on a project later in the summer, though I hope there won’t be too many 6am wake-up calls.

by macasson on May 9, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think it indicates Dellucci got into Chamberlain’s thick head.

I was trying to think of other demonstrative closers. Of the great closers I can think of-Rivera, Sutter, Lee Smith, Gossage, Trevor Hoffman, Kent Tekulve, Dan Quisenberry, etc.-I don’t remember any of them doing that sort of stuff.

by odradek on May 9, 2008 12:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Eckersley dude – you know that whole upper-cut/fist pump thing. That’s why I loved it when Gibson shoved it up his ass.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 9, 2008 7:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, you’re right. I put that out of mind.

by odradek on May 9, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I loved Manny’s shot off him too.

by dgcambridge on May 9, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’m sure pimplebutt will have a say before the year is out.

by cclemens31 on May 9, 2008 1:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i personally like the kind of leader dellucci is. not as pie in your face as some guys, but he plays his cards when it matters most.

by Brick. on May 8, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

I love when professional athletes come off as rational and low-key.

I also love Dellucci as opposed to Dellichaels.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 8, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

DD has cemented himself as a favorite and a regular. So freaking solid.

Oh, and to Joba, DUDE. You have pitched 37 big league innings. I know you’re the most over-hyped thing since Jeter (I literally gagged when I heard Susan Waldman describe a swing as “Jeterian”), but it’s a little early for you to say “Everybody knows” about you.

Don’t worry, though; now, everyone does know. That you’re a douchebag.

by tabler84 on May 8, 2008 11:32 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

How can you possibly keep your food down while listening to Waldman? She’s put female sports announcing back at least 20 years.

She’s an embarrassment to baseball, an embarrassment to your profession and an embarrassment to the Yankee organization – as if you could possibly embarrass that bunch of morons.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 9, 2008 7:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You know, females in “traditionally male” broadcasting is a strange thing. Waldman is cripplingly bad; it’s not just that she’s annoying - she is, but so are most men - it’s that she has a very weak grasp of the game itself. She’s also utterly clueless when she takes 15 minutes to read the out-of-town scoreboard. I mean, do I need her to interrupt a 2-on, 2-out situation to tell me it’s 1-1, bottom of the second in Pittsburgh?

The problem is that there are undoubtedly scores of over-qualified women, and yet Waldman tarnishes her gender’s image. I’m not saying it’s fair; it’s not, really, but your post sums up what a lot of fans think.

And there are many examples of same. Katie Couric was nicely suited to morning news; she is simply incapable of handling a role of a leading journalist and anchor. When she started at CBS, they wanted her on 60 Minutes. My wife could not even watch her pieces; they had the journalistic depth of a parking lot puddle and her reading cadence smacked of a college student—sophomore year. So what happens? Some people conclude that women ought not have that “traditionally male” role in broadcasting.

Of course, it’s wrong, and if physical appearance weren’t such a deciding factor, Christiane Amanpour would have landed Couric’s job. And we’d all be talking about what a solid journalist she is.

by tabler84 on May 9, 2008 12:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Christiane Amanpour is tops, and she ain’t bad looking (not that it matters).

I think that ESPN has made great strides in employing women commentators in male-dominated roles, with mixed results.

I think Doris Burke does a very fine job on ESPN, doing the NBA games. She was excellent last night in the Spurs-Hornets game. When I first heard her doing NBA games, it was a bit off-putting (solely due to the uniqueness of having a woman fill a job a that I had really only heard men do) but now I just enjoy her actual commentary. I haven’t reached that point (yet?) with Pam Ward for the college football games on ESPN – I just find her tremendously boring.

by macasson on May 9, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rachel Nichols is THE WORST! I have no problem with female sportscasters at all…I probably prefer them. But Rachel Nichols on ESPN…I Hate! Anyone whose broadcast style feels like a spoof of the dailyshow spoofing real news loses in my book.

by APV on May 9, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, the analysts and sideline reporters are a mixed bag, to say the least. Shelly Smith is the anti-Rachel Nichols, though we could just as easily play this game with the male analysts, etc. It’s seems like a much more significant barrier to have women doing play-by-play (Ward) and analysis (Burke) of live games – and it was so conspicuous at first. I can only imagine the kind of feedback ESPN must’ve received and commend their initiative. But I digress . . .

(Luckily I previewed this message and caught the typo ‘play-by-lay’, instead of ‘play-by-play’!)

by macasson on May 9, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

agree strongly. the absolute worst.

by dgcambridge on May 9, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Her delivery is pretty weak, but I think her reporting is pretty good.

by Jay on May 9, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

“pretty weak?!!?”

It’s like a South Park version of the news. I just can’t get over it. There are certainly a lot of male reporters, ex-athletes especially, with no business near a camera. But Nichols’s style drives me bonkers. I just HATE IT.

by APV on May 9, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, her delivery drives me crazy. We’ll see how it plays here.

by dgcambridge on May 9, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don’t think looks cost Amanpour that gig, it was the accent.

Women seemed to be blocked from more serious journalism career paths that would be high-profile enough to put her in play for the anchor’s job. Have you actually watched the TODAY show? It’s not exactly boot-camp for what used to be the top pure-journalism job on television, and Couric’s “serious interviews” were never all that impressive. She was highly successful and famous in that role, and that’s what got her this new gig, but it didn’t make her right for the new gig. It isn’t clear to me that Matt Lauer would do much better — although, it would be hard for any professional broadcast, man or woman, to do much worse.

Let’s not pretend either that men’s looks haven’t been a significant factor in getting these gigs for decades. Not everybody is considered to have a face/personality combination that works for that role. There should be no outrage or surprised, because other than her fame and success hosting a variety show, she wasn’t really all that qualified.

by Jay on May 9, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I dig Lara Logan’s reporting (first and foremost) and her looks for CBS…

by APV on May 9, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ha! I have two thoughts about Lara Logan:

1) In the top 5 most beautiful women on the planet, and
2) In the top 1 worst reporters on the planet

by tabler84 on May 9, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

really (on #2)...

Admitedly, I don’t watch much network news these days. But I remember a lot of really good reports from her over the past few years. Reports which, unlike just about everything else I hear on network news, I left saying, “huh…I didn’t know that…”

by APV on May 9, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I know we’re way off course in this discussion, but whatever…

You’re bang on with the observation that accent - nationality - is a big issue when choosing your lead anchor. Americans just like Americans—c’mon, man, ain’t we patriotic? And we could really go down a long road of discussion here, but I’ll just say that news is changing (thank god) and appointment viewing will continue to shrink. Anchors are not the same category anymore, and I’m happy to see that.

But if Amanpour were American, I promise you the physical appearance would be an impediment to her getting a network lead job. Men’s looks are certainly considered, but women are held to different standards in that department.

As a side and humorous note, a recent website offered a guessing game—look at the picture and guess, “porn star or Fox News anchor?” It was pretty tough.

by tabler84 on May 9, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

peter jennings was always my favorite.

response from mario in 5…4…3…2…

by emil minty on May 9, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Peter Jennings was not the only Canadian to have been a highly successful news anchor/reporter in the US. John Roberts, from CNN, and Peter Kent (used to be on NBC) are a couple of other examples. As an aside, Lorne Greene, ex-Bonanza star, was a news anchor on Canadian TV before he moved to Hollywood. Yes, accents matter, but Americans don’t always know from where the accent they’re listening to comes.

One thing left out so far in the discussion of female sports reporters is that the fact that they are relatively “rare” makes them more visible—we notice them (and their strengths and weaknesses) more because they’re unusual. People also have a tendency to pigeon-hole them as “female” sports reporters (we don’t identify the gender of male sports reporters routinely) which leads at least some people to see them through that lens.

by peter m on May 9, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

maybe this is just me, but I don’t think of Rachel Nichols as female…I think of her as cartoonish (in a non-gendered way).

by APV on May 9, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the poorly dyed ‘red’ hair is, indeed, non-human

by macasson on May 9, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hard to say, as Couric is one of the only examples to date, but my gut reaction is that a woman with Amanpour’s package of skills and looks could get the job.

by Jay on May 9, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed. And I like her accent too.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on May 9, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

HIRE DELLUCCI!

The Disabled List just called ... it was trying to unload Joe Borowski. I offered a bagel but balked at giving up a ham sandwich. It wanted to keep Westbrook.

by westbrook on May 8, 2008 11:39 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Also!

Don’t really feel like announcing this anywhere else, but … please note …

the FanShots are now on the left column, and just a couple inches below the FanPosts. They are as high up on the page as the system presently allows them to be placed, and hopefully this will inspire more confidence that if you post them, they’ll get read. I read everything, and I think hundreds of others basically read everything, too.

by Jay on May 8, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Just an idea, but if there was someway for you to have the number of new comments bolded for fanshots like they are for fanposts, I think that would really help.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on May 9, 2008 12:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’ve been meaning to put in a request for that, obviously it’s the sensible thing to do.

by Jay on May 9, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i read every post

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on May 9, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I also read everything. Speaking of which, just a day or two ago you were worried about non-game thread participation Jay. Are your fears allayed after this recent bonanza?

by NickFantana on May 9, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think having a weekday “pre-game” post up in the A.M. would be a great addition to LGT. It would be a place for people to post their thoughts on the night before and a general place to shoot the sh-t about other OT items of the day while people are at work.

by Toxicadam on May 9, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That idea is so good it makes me want to punch a cop.

by NickFantana on May 9, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That generally happens in the Game Recap threads.

by Jay on May 9, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Haha I was just going to say that keeping up with comments has become a fulltime job.

by supermarioelia on May 9, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why didn’t Dellucci just do something like this at the beginning of the season so we could have avoided all that, “why do we even have Dellucci?...” stuff

by APV on May 9, 2008 12:01 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Susan Waldmyn, your thoughts?

“Oh my goodness gracious!!”

Yeah, I love Dellucci’s comments as well. If Joba keeps this up, a Yankee hitter will get one in the ear sooner or later, and he may have a comment for Joba.

Girardi was quoted as saying that it was basically ok since he wasn’t looking at DD when he did it. I wonder if he would’ve felt the same way if a pitcher had done that after striking him out when he was playing.

by TribeJay on May 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

If having your player spike a guy in spring training is any indication, he would have had a problem.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 9, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

short memory?

i remember your boy sabathia had a similar reaction after a big strikeout last week in cleveland.

face it. guys like joba, sabathia, k-rod, zambrano, and papelbon are cut from the same cloth emotionally. none of us have ever been in the spotlight like they have—how do we dare to try to dictate how athletes react in different situations when we couldn’t possibly imagine the adrenaline that courses through the body in ball games.

by tombradylikesdudes on May 9, 2008 1:27 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

True he did, however that came at the bottom of the 6th with a runner on 2nd to lead off the inning in a close 0-1 ballgame. That’s quite a bit different than screaming in victory after you’ve struck out the last batter to end an inning with no one on and the game fairly out of reach. If that’s the criteria for acting like that, he’d better get used to looking foolish because striking out the last batter at the end of the eighth just isn’t a big deal.

by cclemens31 on May 9, 2008 2:00 AM EDT