OK, I’m not quite sure what all the Indians fans are talking about here, but holy crap these people enjoy their mustard. The "Stadium Mustard," is perhaps the most mentioned item in the Times comments, and there is nary a word of hot dogs, burgers, or anything else to put it on. What’s the deal here, Cleveland? Do you drink it straight from the bottle? Layer it on a hot dog bun? Do tell, cuz whatever it is, I’m about to order a case.
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That’s exactly why I don’t worship stadium mustard like others. We are now the mustard city.
by gahnki on Jun 10, 2008 1:18 PM EDT 0 recs
I once shipped a friend, who had relocated to Mobile, Ala., several bottles of Stadium Mustard. He seemed to be suffering from withdrawal. I’ve consumed many bottles of the stuff myself, but I think it is now beyond legend. Dijon compares favorably to this and any mustard.
by elsandito on Jun 10, 2008 1:32 PM EDT 0 recs
I hate all types of mustard.
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by westbrook on Jun 10, 2008 1:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Whenever I go back to Cleveland, I grab a bottle of it to bring back home with me. So if you’re ever in Philly & crave Stadium Mustard, you know where to go.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Jun 10, 2008 1:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Would you believe I’ve never had stadium mustard? Of course, that’s primarily because I still haven’t figured out where they’re hiding these supposed veggie type fake meats I’ve heard they have at the Jake. I think the veggie dog is a lie.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on Jun 10, 2008 1:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Consider eating some meat. Chicken or Tuna for starters—don’t go whole hog right from the start.
The ex-vegans have survived and even flourished since rediscovering meat product.
This Mustard is some good shh.
by jhon on
Jun 10, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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Ex-vegans I know**. I can get their testimonies if you’re unconvinced.
by jhon on
Jun 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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A thick Brisket is the best meat of all, but doses of white meats are important in my diet. I strongly agree that chicken, if done right, can be a very exciting dish.
by jhon on
Jun 10, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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It is high time brisket got recognized as a delicacy.
In general, I find myself leaning towards poultry more and more. I have always tried to lean towards it for health reasons, but lately I’ve also been impressed with how much massively lower the carbon footprint is for chicken, compared to beef and pork and even fish. My wife (who had been a fish-and-eggs vegetarian) recently starting eating poultry occasionally for nutritional reasons, so it just makes sense.
by Jay on
Jun 10, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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Are you reticent to order chicken at restaurants? Especially nice restaurants? For whatever reason, I always feel bad doing it. Chicken, however tasty and better for your heart, is somewhat of a common meat when contrasted to a steak, or a fine brisket, for example.
by joeee on
Jun 10, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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A truly good cook can make a very satisfying meal from chicken. It’s a good order for a business lunch. On a date it’s wise to spring for something more exotic. In the company of friends or family anything goes.
by jhon on
Jun 10, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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It’s not just a matter of etiquette – I genuinely feel weird spending a lot of money on chicken when I could spring for the filet mignon instead. Steak (or fish, but you know I don’t eat seafood) is just more rare than chicken. I’ll still order the chicken – but I have to pause and consider.
by joeee on
Jun 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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Funny this should come up, I was just having this discussion with one of my brothers Friday night. I often order chicken in restaurants and have little compunction against doing so. I like chicken — did I mention that? — and while I also like steak, I find that I don’t enjoy steak in a restaurant any more than chicken unless it’s a really, really good steak.
Since steak is often less healthy than chicken, I tend to order chicken, often even in a very fine restaurant, unless I’m in a particularly good steakhouse. Saturday night I was at the Chatham Street Grill in Windsor, which qualifies, and a couple months ago I made my fifth or sixth visit to Peter Luger’s in Brooklyn, which is legendary. Those were probably my only two steaks of 2008 so far. It happens that my preference also dovetails with simple value on the dollar, and now, it further dovetails with carbon footprints.
Friday night, however, I was in a fish joint — Mom’s choice, we were celebrating her birthday. I don’t like fish — just don’t have a taste for it and never have — and I’ve basically cut shellfish from my diet as well. That left me with their token steak options — and my feeling was, this is not a kick-ass steakhouse — and chicken. So I ordered the chicken, and my brother started giving me crap about it. He argued, the chicken dish is always an afterthought on the menu.
I disagreed with him. I think chicken is relatively easy to make, and since the food cost is low, chefs probably don’t hesitate to put something on the menu with a very fine mix of ingredients. Furthermore, most fine chefs probably know 50 awesome ways to make chicken, and most fine restaurants have exactly one chicken dish on the menu. Ergo, the odds are pretty good that the chicken dish is going to be pretty damned excellent, and I find that that is in fact the case. I’m not sure that I’m right about this, but that’s my experience.
by Jay on
Jun 11, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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I made my first trip to Peter Luger’s about 2-3 weeks ago and let me go on record affirming the legendary classification.
by Roger Dorn on
Jun 11, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
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I am 100% like you Jay in this regard (even down to the shellfish and fish). In fact, if I goto a new Italian place, the first thing I order is a Chicken Marsala.
I can maybe count on one hand the amount of times I’ve had a bad experience with my dinner.
by Toxicadam on
Jun 11, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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All of this makes sense. The Carbon footprint of the product is a serious consideration. Ideally I should become more thoughtful about what I eat (but I’ll never feel a kind of spiritual remorse because of my choices).
by jhon on
Jun 10, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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Chicken may have a smaller carbon footprint, but let’s not underestimate the environmental cost of commercial chicken production. Abandoned chicken coops are basically toxic waste dumps as chicken poop (which has a much higher ammonia concentration than cow dung) is pretty nasty stuff.
by APV on
Jun 11, 2008 9:06 AM EDT
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Because puking is so much fun. Nah.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on
Jun 10, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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I just love when people pretend that their religious/ethical/political views have anything to do with taste.
Vegetarians simply can’t taste food very well, possibly their tastebuds are neurologically inferior or just not very sensitive. If they could taste food normally, they’d be eating meat, as is biologically the norm for our species (although not in such massive quantities).
by Jay on
Jun 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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This has nothing to do with taste and everything to do with the fact that if you don’t eat meat for an extended period of time, you lose the ability to digest it. Meat literally makes me sick. Even if I wanted to eat it, I couldn’t.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on
Jun 10, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
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You probably shouldn’t eat a whole rack of ribs your first time back, because you have fewer enzymes to digest it, but your enzyme/acid levels in your stomach return in, I read, about one day’s time. Supposedly, there is no meat-digesting enzyme that withers and dies, it’s about total amount of stomach acid and food-processing enzymes. So you should try something small at first, like a hot dog.
by joeee on
Jun 10, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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vegetarians can’t go back to eating meat by eating a hot dog man. Its gotta be something that really marks the event, something like a fine steak or possibly five roast beef sandwiches from Arby’s
by hans on
Jun 10, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
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I disagree. I had a friend in college who was a strict vegetarian for like 5-years. One spring break he went with a group to the Bahamas. The beach he was staying at had a $10 special including 2 hot-dogs, a bag of chips, and 3 corona….he was eating hot dogs like the world was coming to an end and loving them.
by APV on
Jun 11, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
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ah, well that makes sense, how else is he going to get the get the taste of corona out of his mouth?
moral values only go so far…
by hans on
Jun 11, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
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I have a cousin who was a vegetarian, and the one thing she ever cheated with was Oscar Meyer bologna.
by Jay on
Jun 11, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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Just to clarify, I feel about meat, purely from a taste perspective very similarly to how I feel about coffee. It sometimes tastes pretty awesome, and it would probably make my life easier if I consumed it, but I’m just not that into stomachaches.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on
Jun 10, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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I respect your choice, but I’m just throwin’ it out there.
by jhon on
Jun 10, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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I know – looking at that sandwich has me really jazzed up.
by joeee on
Jun 10, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
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You know, this is a good point. As a huge meat-eater, and as an Italian, I typically spent a huge chunk of my day trying to convince vegetarians and vegans to come back to our team. But why am I trying to increase demand for a product with a seemingly finite supply? Frig that, keep not eating meat. I enjoy my low-cost chicken.
by supermarioelia on
Jun 10, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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Yeah and forget the chicken marsala as your first shot outta the box at an Italian restaurant – gimme the pasta fazioli every time. That’s when you find out if Guglielmo can cook or not.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
Jun 11, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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If you don’t want one, it’s only because you haven’t had one.
by Jay on
Jun 10, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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I miss Philly. That was so delicious last summer. Hey, speaking of which, where were ya on Sunday?
by supermarioelia on
Jun 11, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
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We didn’t even make it — Saturday night was pretty brutal, and between that and a slow border crossing from Windsor, it was all we could do to make it to the bar at the MGM Grand by the fifth inning. Nobody was really that amped up to spend another three hours drinking beer in that kind of heat anyway, but I do regret not getting to another game. I’m thinking about Toronto.
by Jay on
Jun 11, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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Yeah that border was ridiculous…especially since my van was lacking in the A/C department. And the heat/sun at the game was totally unbearable.
Keep me posted about Toronto…I’ll be making a weekend of it.
by supermarioelia on
Jun 11, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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Oh haha, gotchya. I actually live two hours from Toronto, so I usually stay with my ancient aunt when I go down. We’ll do some more discussing closer to August.
by supermarioelia on
Jun 12, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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Now that would be fun. I never have been to a Bisons game.
by supermarioelia on
Jun 13, 2008 7:40 AM EDT
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Me neither, just Aeros (home and road) and K-Tribe (road only).
by Jay on
Jun 13, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
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Sorry to put my nerd cap on. It’s probably biologically “normal” for humans to eat much more meat than we eat today. Only there’s a big difference from eating wild game (like deer or gazelle), which has almost no fat in some cases, to eating domestic cattle or pork or chicken, which is extremely fatty. The difference is much more in the animals we’re eating (domesticated vs. wild) rather than meat vs. non-meat.
by APV on
Jun 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT
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I dunno doc, I’ve heard a lot of stuff about what humans usta eat 3 or 4 millinea ago – just a finger pop in the evolutionary cycle. At one point I was told that Native Americans usta run about 20 miles a day, on average – some days 50 other days ten – all to hunt down food. So it may not be the fat content alone that lead to a healthier life – could be the exercise.
Anyway most Americans want to improve their health in a passive manner. You know, don’t to this or that. Myself I think that working hard physically is the key. Running, lifting weights, any kinda strenuous exercise done on a routine basis is as least as important as avoiding fatty foods. But it’s a lot harder and doesn’t have that “I’m so superior cuz I don’t eat high-carbon foot print meat” type cache. You actually hafta get off your dead ass and do something. Something that the vast majority of Americans are unwilling to do.
Bottom line: if calorie intake is greater than calorie expenditure you’re be healthier, longer.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
Jun 10, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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Humans were certainly more active in the past and evidence for that is preserved in the robusticity of prehistoric humans skeletal remains. In many ways, while humans have been domestication plants and animals around us, we’ve also been domesticating ourselves. In the case of long-distance hunting activities, it’s doubtful that extends beyond the past 2 million years or so (the period covering our genus, Homo), and probably didn’t involve truly long-distance mobility patterns until the last 200k-500k years.
by APV on
Jun 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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But I might perspire. I just want to ingest pills so I can continue to supersize.
by elsandito on
Jun 10, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Lord the software won’t led me use the math symbol so i go it backwards. It should read, “if calorie intake is less than calorie expenditure you’ll be healthier, longer.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
Jun 10, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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there is no such thing? you can’t burn calories you don’t have. but I think I know what you meant – that calorie intake should be only slightly more than calorie expenditure, and not significantly more, which is the case for most of us.
by joeee on
Jun 10, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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yeah, that’s the reality of the 21st century. Two, three hundred years ago you had to scrimp to meet the daily caloric requirements. Now even the poorest people in America are vastly overweight. Adam can speak to this with a lot more knowledge than me, but we’ve outgrown our optimum physical size about a hundred years ago. We, as a race, are just too damn big for our design.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
Jun 10, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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Purely based on production capacity, there’s no way that a typical person was eating a half-pound of meat every day even 50 years ago, let alone 500 or 5000 or 50,000. It seems highly improbable to me that we evolved biologically to eat ideally far more than could possibly have been available. But this is not at all my field, I’m just supposing. Explain it to me if you can.
by Jay on
Jun 10, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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50, 500, or 5,000 years ago probably not. All of those dates are long after the origins of domestication and all that good stuff, but before the mass-industrialization of the meat industry. But if you go back 50,000 years ago, most people probably were eating something on the order of 0.5-1.5 pounds of meat a day on a fairly regular basis (not everyday…but it wouldn’t have been an uncommon event) for atleast part of the year. You have to remember than 50,000 years ago the population density of humans was very very small. There were maybe something on the order of 5 million people stretched across most of the Old World (Africa, Asia, Europe). All 5 million of those people lived off a hunting and gathering subsistence strategy, in which meat resources, while less reliable than gathered foods, were a very important part of the diet. This is a somewhat extreme example, but the Hadza people today, who still practice a more or less hunting and gathering lifestyle in Tanzania, consume on average almost 2.5 pounds of meat a day.
by APV on
Jun 11, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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Sorry, reply above was meant for Adam, this one’s for Chuck.
Ironically, considering you were busting on me a little, I agree with more or less everything you wrote. Dietary choices are a matter of health and balance, not as much weight control. Physical condition is based on physical activity first and foremost. The carbon footprint talk had nothing to do with personal health, just a question of choosing where you’re going to get your protein.
by Jay on
Jun 10, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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Here’s how it’s written:
“This Mustard is some good ishh”
by joeee on
Jun 10, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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Stadium mustard is also great on soft pretzels, which have little-to-no meat content!
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on
Jun 10, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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This is true! I’m just always in such a rush I forget to hunt down some mustard for my pretzel. NEXT TIME.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on
Jun 10, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
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did you really hear that they had not-dogs at the Jake?
by hans on
Jun 10, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
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I heard either not-dogs or not-burgers, although I was fairly sure it was not-dogs.
The news may have been old and it also may have been from PETA who are lying liars who lie about that sort of thing.
The only place I’ve ever actually found a not-dog at a major league stadium was in Philly. They like to hide them.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on
Jun 10, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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I think I’ll stick to peanuts, beer, and pizza. oh and nachos.
by hans on
Jun 10, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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Peanuts and diet coke is my usual (the downside of mostly going to games by myself is no beers at games).
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on
Jun 10, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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God how bad does AngG want to eat the delicious lettuce buried under that ugly chicken?
by joeee on
Jun 11, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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Well, deep fried chicken flavored lettuce does sound pretty appetizing
by hans on
Jun 11, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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yeah when times were tough I was able to milk a large coke/pepsi and a bag a peanuts throughout a 9 inning affair…..
by hans on
Jun 11, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
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AngG, have you ever seen the scifi movie, Soylent Green? THAT, is your veggie dog.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
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Jun 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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