Martinez, Barf to DL: Haad, Velandia up
Good for getting Martinez some rest, bad for the season hopes.
UPDATE: Victor is having arthroscopic surgery and isn't expected back until August. To clear the two spots on the 40-man roster, Westbrook has been moved to the 60-day DL — he's expected to be out at least 300 days — and Oneli Perez has been DFA'ed. [Jay]
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Where od the 2 spots on the 40 man come from? We get 1 if we move Jake to the 60 day DL, but I’m at a loss for the second.
by millionairesrow on Jun 12, 2008 4:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, Castrovince says the Indians will make two moves to clear up room on the 40, but they haven’t been announced yet.
What a season.
by TonyH on
Jun 12, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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Ignore this question. Time to get Andy Marte some playing time
by Roger Dorn on
Jun 12, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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Bright side: These are the two guys you bring up just to DFA them afterwards. Thus it doesn’t sound like long term injuries.
by oxforddave on Jun 12, 2008 5:05 PM EDT 0 recs
So…things are pretty bleak right now. And not just because we’re x number of games under .500 and playing crappy…but even more because 3 of our cornerstone guys for the next several years (Westbrook, Hafner, Martinez) are on the DL with fairly substantive injuries which may affect their long term performance. And they simultaneously hurt our trading position.
Let’s Go Stadium Mustard!
by APV on Jun 12, 2008 5:14 PM EDT 0 recs
I think we might need to post a favorite Stadium Mustard recipe FanShot
by APV on
Jun 12, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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You’re the one with the great pork marinade recipe, right?
by NickFantana on
Jun 12, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
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I actually never use a recipe. I just make it new everytime based on what I have. But the basic part is about equal parts mustard and olive oil, with other spices/herbs thrown in. It’s great.
by APV on
Jun 12, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
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Whatever, I’m reining in my expectations for that marinade.
by fleerdon on
Jun 12, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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Vic arthroscopic surgery on elbow Friday to remove loose objects, out 6-8 weeks
by palcal on Jun 12, 2008 5:57 PM EDT 0 recs
the loose objects have been identified as hope, faith and promise.
by Brick. on
Jun 12, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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na na na na, na na na. na na na na, na na na. na na na na, na na, na. na. na…..
by Brick. on
Jun 12, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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This whole season is like one big embarrassing schickendantz.
by Brick. on
Jun 12, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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Which elbow?
If it’s his throwing elbow I think we have a new first baseman.
by gahnki on
Jun 12, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
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He had extra fingers? Could he loan one to Miller?
Also, I think as of 2008, everybody else was right: The Tigers did, in fact, have the better A. Miller in the AL Central.
by fleerdon on
Jun 12, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
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i think i made that exact joke in the Miller done for the season thread.
by Brick. on
Jun 12, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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So, the S.S. Keep Kelly is departing shortly. All aboard.
by fleerdon on
Jun 12, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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I’ll bet you a variety pack of the actual Great Lakes.
by fleerdon on
Jun 12, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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2008 is so fantastic.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 12, 2008 6:34 PM EDT 0 recs
You know, if Josh Barfield’s hurt, we’ll have to find somebody else for the Atkins package.
by fleerdon on Jun 12, 2008 6:37 PM EDT 2 recs
Thinking we can probably acquire Milton Bradley for the stretch run.
by Jay on
Jun 12, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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Now’s the time to pick up Cain and Lincecum for Sabathia!!!!!!!!!!
by Fredward on
Jun 12, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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Lou Pote will once again be our savior, mark my words.
by Voltaire on
Jun 12, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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As bad as Martinez and Barfield/Cabrera have hit, it doesn’t really hurt us in the short term having these bench players get some extended playing time.
I don’t think the Giants are a likely trade partner for Sabathia’s services. Yes, he’s from the area and he would have a chance to bat. I would think that the Giants are a little gun shy. See Barry Zito. Cubs and Dodgers are my favorites but we can talk about this in another month if we are still struggling. I hate even numbered years.
by jerseywahoo on Jun 12, 2008 7:23 PM EDT 0 recs
96 — eliminated way too soon by underdog
98 — eh, nothing to bitch about, really
00 — missed playoffs on final day
02 — tore apart entire roster to rebuild
04 — brutal bullpen, decent transitional season overall
06 — bullpen, infield defense sink roster ready to contend
08 — you’re soaking in it
by Jay on
Jun 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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HIRE BRET SABERHAGEN!
Oh wait, he only did good in odd-numbered years, right?
Let's Go 2009!
by emd2k3 on
Jun 12, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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You forgot 94—first contending season in most of our lives cut short by strike
by PatBordersHelmet on
Jun 13, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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Wow, that was a really stupid omission.
94 was arguably the worst of them.
by Jay on
Jun 13, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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The worst part about ‘94 being cut short, for me anyways, wasn’t the Tribe having a successful season cut short, it was all the ignorant White Sox fans talking like the ‘94 Sox were the second coming or something. They were 1 game up when the season ended, and, at least until 2005, they treated it like a World Series season.
Man I hate the White Sox.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jun 13, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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Vic was batting from the left side during the at bat – is it his right elbow? As in, his throwing arm?
by mcrose on Jun 12, 2008 7:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Well one very minor positive from all this is that Shapiro can begin shopping Byrd and CC in earnest a little earlier. I’m sure he’ll get a little more back for the extra time that the acquiring team will have them this season.
I’m thinking the Cubs and NYY are hungry enough to overpay.
by KevinV on Jun 12, 2008 7:42 PM EDT 0 recs
If the return is right, you won’t hear a complaint out of me if we start unloading guys on June 20.
by Jay on
Jun 12, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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“Do not let spacious plans for a new world divert your energies from saving what is left of the old.”
Winston Churchill
I’d rather wait until we get into July before pulling the trigger on any trades. Anything in June should get us a big return- someone ML ready, like Joe Carter.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
by Spidey on
Jun 12, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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Why, what does Joe Carter have going on these days? You don’t think he’d listen if Shapiro called?
by mrich on
Jun 12, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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Last I saw, he was visiting Mitch Williams’ bowling alley for a showdown. Carter won, of course.
Incredibly, I am not making this up.
by Jay on
Jun 12, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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It’s remarkable – I can’t believe Mitch Williams as an in-studio commentator for Phillies. Philly fans are a different breed.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
by Spidey on
Jun 12, 2008 9:04 PM EDT
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Then, maybe Mel Hall???
I don’t want to underestimate the demand for CC by teams desperate to win it all. Besides, shouldn’t we expect to find a few more buyers in July, as teams that are close to contention look to make the big push?
If the Rangers can get Kason Gabbard, Engel Beltre and David Murphy for Eric Gagne, I think we can expect more than that.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
by Spidey on
Jun 12, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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That was a nice amount of quantity for an average amount of quality. Beltre could turn out to be a steal but it’s far away from judging that definitively.
by gahnki on
Jun 12, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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Here’s the rub.
Shapiro gets a great offer at the end of June, and knows Player X--and boy, Shap really likes Player X; maybe he sees something the other organization doesn’t—will be pulled from the offer if the other team has to wait another month to use their rental of CC.
It’s a tough call to make. Especially if the Indians are, say, 6 games out and no one really looks strong.
But I say blow it up. Even if we end up doing nothing (or god forbid we’re buyers), we’re still in trouble for 09 with the current roster.
To quote our beloved Edgar, Mountains and Mountains of Change.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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Cripes we’ve officially turned into the Jays with all these injuries. And Velandia? I was making fun of this guy just over a month ago, and now he’s on our 25-man? Eek.by supermarioelia on Jun 12, 2008 5:49 PM CDT actions 0 recs
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marte will always be our 25-man.
by Brick. on Jun 12, 2008 7:43 PM EDT 0 recs
I just wrote that Velandia’s service time status was not worth discussing, then I launched into 2000 words about everybody else’s service time. This was yesterday.
by Jay on
Jun 12, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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Who knew that when Wedge said “you’ve got to dig deep”, he was referring to Victor’s elbow.
by elsandito on Jun 12, 2008 8:13 PM EDT 2 recs
Without looking it up, I’m still pretty sure our entire DL makes less money than the Yankees’ DL when A-Rod was on it.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 12, 2008 10:23 PM EDT 0 recs
‘President’ Blake’s comment speaks volumes:
“You look around,” third baseman Casey Blake said, “and it’s like, ‘Well, it’s just us.’”
Custer’s Last Stand?
Pride Comes Before the Fall
Custer’s troops went into battle with the pomp and parade of war that distinguished them around their camps.
But what he could see was enough to fire the blood of a man like Custer. Huge clouds of dust, nervous horses, frantic horsemen making a run for it, and down along the village, lively turmoil an confusion.
The warriors were by no means running from the fight, the brave warriors were making ready for battle!
The Indians correctly sensed his hesitation, fear, and indecision. He lost the element of surprise, he lost his momentum, and he lost the confidence of his own troops. He emboldened his enemy; “The White Chief was scared”
Military discipline and order were abandoned . . .
an inexcusable panic, due mainly to the incompetent conduct of a cowardly commander.
The question remained, what had happened to George Custer and his men?
Never comprehending the overwhelming odds against him . . .
Custer had sealed his fate.
Custer never saw the complete magnitude of the Indian Camp.
It is likely that this is the point that Custer realized that he was in trouble, and that he must cut his way out and escape the overwhelming enemy surrounding him.
Custer and his command was fully hemmed in, cut off, and losing men quickly. Custer must have realized that at this point retreat was impossible . . .
the last stand. They undoubtedly fought fiercely, but lost their lives to the superior numbers, and superior leadership and strategy . . .
feel free to make your own associations.
Full story: http://www.sonofthesouth.net/union-generals/custer/custers-last-stand.htm
by DocNo on Jun 13, 2008 6:03 AM EDT 0 recs
Who wrote this, Bill Livingston?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on
Jun 13, 2008 7:32 AM EDT
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I know . . . it’s really terrible . . . hyperbolic to the extreme.
Just thought it was funny (and it was the 1st entry on the google search).
by DocNo on Jun 13, 2008 8:16 AM EDT 0 recs
Mercy, he’s just a great big ol’ horse, and just a soph-o-more.
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