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It's the Bullpen

If Mark Shapiro is trying to figure out whether to fish or cut bait, it seems to me he should focus his attention on the bullpen.  The numbers aren't pretty.  The Tribe bullpen currently ranks as follows among the 30 Major League teams:

Worst in Batting Average Against

2nd worst in ERA

27th in WHIP

28th in Save %

6th most HR's allowed (despite being 27th in innings pitched).

Despite the injuries to Carmona and Westbrook, the starting pitching has remained pretty strong.  The hitting, while still anemic, has done somewhat better and is no longer dead last or near dead last as it was earlier in the season.  The darkest cloud over the team, then, is the bullpen.   Does anyone out there think this group can turn it around or see any signs that they're about to?  Unless Shapiro does (and I'm increasingly skeptical), it's getting to be time to sell.

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I reced this because its something I’ve mentioned for weeks now. Pluto had a decent article about it last week.

Jim Leyland: “Want a bad team? Have a bad bullpen.”

by Toxicadam on Jun 19, 2008 1:28 PM EDT   0 recs

I don’t see why this bullpen can’t turn it around. They’re mostly the same guys as last year (outside of Kobayashi who’s pitched well) and last year’s bullpen was fantastic. Of course, there was no way Perez and Betancourt were going to pitch as well as they did last year, but Betancourt has been absolutely terrible. He’s almost certain to pitch better. Perez has gotten better after a shaky start. Mastny and Julio are gone and they were two of our worst pitchers. Borowski has even pitched pretty well since his return from the DL. So I think it’s a pretty good possibility that the worst days of this bullpen are behind them, and they’ll pitch much better the rest of the season.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 19, 2008 1:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Perez has actually been quite bad in the last week or so (consistently giving up runs). Betancourt has been better, but I still don’t see the command that he has had in the past. Kobayashi is decent but hasn’t been lights out by any means. Borowski has, I think, been pretty fortunate since his return. Some pretty loud outs. The secondary relievers appear to be uniformly unreliable, to put it mildly. I think an awful lot is on Betancourt’s shoulders at this point. He’s the guy out there who can be dominant and actually inspirational. If he finds it right away, there’s hope. If he struggles, we’re done.

by peter m on Jun 19, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Taken from Pluto's column.

In 2007, the Indians won the Central and the bullpen had a respectable 3.73 ERA, ranked fourth out of 14 American League teams.

In 2006, the Indians were a disappointing 78-84 and their bullpen ranked 11th with a 4.61 ERA.

In 2005, the Indians won a surprising 93 games and had the league’s best bullpen at 2.80

In 2004, the Indians were a mediocre 80-82 with a 12th-ranked bullpen at 4.88.

Question: In those four years (2004-07), what was the only season the Indians failed to finish in the league’s top five in runs scored?

Answer: Last season, when they won 96 games.

by Toxicadam on Jun 19, 2008 1:49 PM EDT   0 recs

What’s weird is that everyone expected a let down in the bullpen for 2008. But to be one of the three worst bullpens? Bullpens are binary, I guess, either good or bad, but certain teams (Angels? Twins?) maintain good pens consistently. This is probably because they have good pitchers (Rodriguez and Shields, or Nathan and Crain) and don’t have to overwork them. But, on the other hand, because of the good starting pitching, the Indians don’t overwork the bullpen much, either. I think the pen is due for a hot streak, but the damage may already be done.

by odradek on Jun 19, 2008 1:50 PM EDT   0 recs

I like KLaw, I know others (many?) here dislike him a great deal, but I admit that he seems to be completely oblivious on this one (my bold):

Brendon (Guildeland): Last night we saw the Yankees #4 starter in Darrell Rasner. 5 innings, 4 walks etc. We also saw the tandem of Kyle Farnsworth and Edwar Rameriz which did not work. What is a bigger need for the yankees. Starting Pitcher, or Set Up Man?

SportsNation Keith Law: (1:10 PM ET ) Starting pitching. Get your starters in order and your bullpen problems will shrink, if not go away entirely.

Apparently, he hasn’t spent much time watching the Tribe this year.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 19, 2008 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

While those numbers are scary, I actually think they would have been worse had JoeBlow made more appearances this year.

by millionairesrow on Jun 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT   0 recs

I doubt that. Unless they just kept pitching him through his injury.

He was obviously hurt at the begining of the year. The injury took 5mph and he didn’t have 5mph to spare. But he has been as effective as he ever was since returning from the injury.

by KevinV on Jun 19, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The one caveat to all of this is that our bullpen wasn’t that great out of the chute last year. We had to suffer through some miserable appearances by Oldberto, Jason Davis , CaBBrera, Koplove and Mastny (who had a 5+ ERA for most of the early year). Even Borowski had some horrible appearances (even by his standards) in those first few months.

Perez came up and performed amazingly, Betancourt was a horse and even Fultz did pretty well (when he wasn’t asked to come into a game with the bases loaded and no one out). Then Jensen Lewis was a big addition in July.

So, that’s how we turned it around last year. We added a few guys and it allowed us to push the other guys into lesser roles (Mastny was used far less and Fultz wasn’t being put into high leverage situations). That’s what needs to happen this year if we want to compete. We either have to bite the bullet and call up guys like Stevens or Newsom (meh) ... or we have to try to trade for a solid middle reliever from another team.

by Toxicadam on Jun 19, 2008 2:49 PM EDT   0 recs

Stevens is at 11.8 K per 9, and 3.5 BB per 9 between AA and AAA this year. Call me crazy, but I would think this team might be interested in that.

by dgcambridge on Jun 19, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

little know fact:

Jeff Stevens was the PTBNL in the Brandon Phillips trade with the Reds.

by Brick. on Jun 19, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My “meh” comment was for Newsom. Stevens is fantastic and should be called up this year. Newsom is interesting because of his extreme groundball ratio and the change of pace his pitching style offers.

by Toxicadam on Jun 19, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s how I read you. I’m with you, on both points.

by dgcambridge on Jun 19, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

isn’t Newsom a submariner?

by APV on Jun 19, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well said – almost all mariners are.

by Thommy on Jun 19, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea. He only tops out at 83 mph though. So, he’s Joe Borowski with downward movement on his ball.

by Toxicadam on Jun 19, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You remember Kent Tekulve ? Pretty sure he threw in the mid-80s and he wasn’t too bad as a relief pitcher.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jun 20, 2008 1:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember his baseball cards, never saw him play (I believe he was a Brewer for awhile).

Steve Reed has made it hard for me to accept any submarine-style pitchers. It’s a personal hurdle I need to overcome.

by Toxicadam on Jun 20, 2008 7:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don’t forget Ted Abernathy and Dan Quisenberry. Both effective relief pitchers with submarine deliveries. And Chad Bradford has had his moments using that style.

by peter m on Jun 20, 2008 8:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I definitely remember Quis. I enjoyed watching Royals in the mid-80’s and he was so much fun to watch.

by Toxicadam on Jun 20, 2008 12:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking of meatball throwing submariners and certainly Abernathy and Quisenberry qualified.

BTW Tekulve pitched for the Pirates – won the WS with Stargel and Parker while wearing those flat-topped hats – Philles and – eeeeeew – the Reds. Supposedly he taught Quisenberry the submarine style at the urging of Quizz’s manger former Pirates’ manager Jim Frey.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jun 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You never saw Tekulve pitch? Geez, I forget that some of you are a lot younger than me.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jun 20, 2008 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Stevens struck out the side and got the save in Thursday night’s Bisons game (Mastny also had three K’s in 1 1/3 innings).

by peter m on Jun 20, 2008 12:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s the bullpen….and the offense

by Roger Dorn on Jun 19, 2008 3:28 PM EDT   0 recs

According to Baseball Prospectus, only Rafael Perez has posted a positive WXRL this year. In other words, only Perez has increased the chances of our winning in the times that he’s pitched (and it’s hardly above zero).

Considering the track records of Betancourt, Lewis and Kobayashi (granted, in Japan), it’s not unreasonable to assume our bullpen will improve.

(Incidentally, in terms of WXRL, Betancourt is 397th in baseball, and Borowski is 409th – out of 423 relievers with at least 10 innings pitched.)

by Peter Bendix on Jun 19, 2008 4:23 PM EDT   0 recs

WXRL is one of their stats that use replacement level as the baseline, so that interpretation is not quite right.

Regardless, the pen should be better.

by dgcambridge on Jun 19, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, but the question is WILL it get better. Again, I think an enormous weight is on Betancourt’s shoulders. He’s the key.

by peter m on Jun 19, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately, I had to hide a particular comment for obvious reasons, and in doing so also hid all the comments nested below it, including a hilarious response. To remedy this, I’ve included the comment by fleerdon below:

Chris Antonetti jumped out of his Lexus and strode purposefully toward the Indians’ office complex. "Another beautiful day in Cleveland, working for the Indians," he said, locking the car by remote over his shoulder. "Sometimes, I love my job so much I just have to—I just have to WHISTLE!" The familiar notes of "It’s Tribe Time Now!" sprang brightly from his lips as he turned through the revolving door. And just as suddenly, they stopped.

Only few naked, sputtering fluorescent bulbs lit the room. Every desk had been overturned; shattered computer terminals littered the floor. The acrid smell of charred paper filled Antonetti’s nose. He reached for the smoking manilla folder on the floor near him. "2008 Player Performance Projections – C. A," read the cover. Antonetti’s eyes widened. Gradually, he became aware he was not alone in the ransacked office. A small voice was repeating itself.

"I dun-know my name. I dun-know my name. I dun-know my name. I dun-know my name." Antonetti rose, and peeked reluctantly over the receptionist’s counter. Derek Shelton, wearing only his uniform pants, was huddled in the corner, hugging his knees and rocking back and forth. "Derek?" queried Antonetti. Shelton froze. He turned his head slowly toward Antonetti, but seemed not to see him in his blank, unblinking gaze. "Dare…ick?" he said. "No…no…NO! BATTING AVERAGE!" He began to rock again. "I dun-know my name. I dun-know my name." Antonetti backed away carefully.

He picked his way across the rubble. Who could have done this? And why? A draft rushed past him, sending a chill down his spine. Searching for its source, he glanced up. Barely visible through a few cracked ceiling tiles, Eric Wedge was lashed to an HVAC pipe. He did not appear to be fully conscious. "Pull him!" Wedge said, eyes squeezed shut, twisting against his bonds. "No, wait, no—don’t pull him! Datz! Don’t pull him! Okay, okay, pull him!" Antonetti forced himself to look away … and directly into the face of Joe Borowski, who stood next to him, holding his fully detached right arm in his own left hand.

"Couldn’t be helped. The GSHABAZZ. It happened so fast."

"Joe!" Antonetti cried. "Your…your arm! Your New Jersey tough!"

Borowski shrugged with his remaining shoulder. "I sucked," he sighed, and wandered away.

"I’ve gotta be dreaming," said Antonetti. "I need to get to the familiar. Just get to my office, everything will be all right." He rushed to the elevator and pushed the up button. The elevator creaked down to the first floor. Ding, it said, and the door opened an inch. A few stacks of dollar bills fluttered to Antonetti’s feet. He frowned, crouched, picked them up. They had Paul Dolan’s face on them instead of George Washington’s. The dollar-bill Dolans’ eyes shifted toward Antonetti’s.

He dropped the money and shook his head. "Just get to your office," he said, "and you can wake up." Antonetti moved to the barely open elevator doors and pried them apart a little wider. Inside, Travis Hafner lay thoughtfully in a pile of cash that touched the elevator’s roof, a smirk on his face. "Aaagh!" cried Antonetti. He rushed to the stairwell, and bolted up the steps past Ryan Garko and Kelly Shoppach, who—were they racing up the stairs at one-quarter speed?

"I’m … go …. ing … to … wi … in," huffed Garko. "Yo … ou … ca … n’t … wi … in," replied Shoppach, feeling for the next step with his foot. "It’s …. GSH … AB … AZZ!" Antonetti hurried on.

Onto the second floor Antonetti burst. It was black up here, black as could be. The only light was sneaking out from around the door of his office, just cracked. Distantly, Antonetti thought he heard—carnival music. Drawing a deep breath, he pushed through the door. He hurriedly slammed it behind him. The music had stopped. The office was clean, quiet, bright, just as he left it. He exhaled slowly. That’s when he noticed the curly blue hair peeking over the top of his high-backed office chair, which faced the wall opposite him.

"I think it’s time to talk about an extension, Chris," said Mark Shapiro, spinning the chair slowly and placing his oversize yellow shoes on the desk. He began to laugh, the firetruck red makeup around his mouth broke into a grin over his white-caked face. "Or should I say…" Shapiro’s eyes narrowed under his wig, squinting over the orange foam ball on the end of his nose, "…GSHABAZZ? Ha-ha-haaa! Ha-ha-haaa! HAAA-HAAAA-HAAA!!!!"

Antonetti felt a scream erupt from someplace deep within him. "DAAAAAAA-"

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

"-AAAAAAAAAAMN!" he yelled, sitting bolt upright in his bed. He was lathered in sweat. Gradually, his breath slowed. It was his room. This was his room. It was over.

"Oh, honey, I just had the worst dream," he said to the figure next to him.

"You can tell The Franchise all about it, GSHABAZZ," said the figure. Brandon Phillips rolled over and flashed a Cheshire Cat grin.

by Ryan on Jun 22, 2008 3:09 PM EDT   1 recs

Haha, Ryan, I wrote this instead of reading the paper this morning. It’s pretty useless out of context—feel free to ditch it with the rest of these comments. Didn’t realize our visitor was punt-worthy or I wouldn’t have bothered. Anyway, I’d just as soon the work went to waste than have everybody think I’m an incipient crackpot.

by fleerdon on Jun 22, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If I just knew what GSHABAZZ meant, I’d be fine.

by NickFantana on Jun 22, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

GSHABAZZ was the commenter who made the ALL CAPS points I was writing about: Borowski sucks; our hitters have low averages, so who’s the hitting coach?; Hafner is overpaid; Wedge loses us lots of games by being late and/or early with the hook; and, most memorably, because of the Brandon Phillips trade, the front office is “a joke.” I chose to recast the comment as the nightmare of Chris Antonetti’s dark alter ego. Because that was a normal response.

Ryan, who rather improbably remains worried about my feelings, was nice enough to leave the comment up. Although without the original comment, it’s just an Indians fan-fic that reads like an abandoned episode of “Millenium.” And darn it all, Nick, I don’t want to be the guy who writes that fanfic. It will just ruin me with the ladies.

by fleerdon on Jun 22, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can’t believe he was nice enough to set you up for all of that by choosing a poster name so completely surreal that it can easily be recast as a profound utterance. My first impulse was that it was an acronym.

Grady Sizemore has all but abdicated Zebra Zoo

by NickFantana on Jun 23, 2008 9:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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