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Omar! Returns

In a nice bit of scheduling, Omar Vizquel will have an opportunity to return to Cleveland in what's probably his last season in baseball. Though Omar wonders what kind of reaction he'll get, there's a 100% chance Indians fans will give him a standing ovation or three. In Cleveland, how you leave is the big deal: both Thome and Manny left in the midst of their primes for huge contracts, while Omar left on good terms with the team and the fans. There were no contentious contract negotiations, as the Indians had already decided to go with Jhonny Peralta at shortstop.

Bill Livingston offers a colorful anecdote:

He got off the "4 train," the subway to the Bronx and Yankee Stadium, in the playoffs one year and was heckled by strap-hangers who recognized him. "It's (flipping) Omar!" yelled one. "I oughta break your (flipping) arm!"

"Yeah, it's (flipping) Omar!" Vizquel shouted back. "What are you going to do about it, (flipping-flippers)?"

Eric Wedge lauded Vizquel's attitude during his first season as manager:

"You hear me talk about having fun and enjoying the game and loving to come to the ballpark," Wedge said. "I don't know if you could think of somebody who did it better than him.

"I just remember watching Omar play. It was like he was playing Little League. He was so relaxed and enjoyed it so much. And I don't think that was just baseball, I think he generally enjoys life."

There was also this, which I don't think has been mentioned before:

Wedge remembered calling Vizquel into his office one day. Vizquel, as he sometimes did, didn't run out a ground ball. At the time, Wedge had gone head-to-head with outfielder Milton Bradley over the same issue.

"I have nothing but respect for Omar," Wedge said. "What I said is, How can I get these guys to run if you don't run?' He looked at me and said, I understand.' After that he was great.

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I’m thinking this is going to be like the reception Lofton got last summer x100.

I’m psyched!

by JesseAK on Jun 23, 2008 11:11 PM EDT   0 recs

http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=1570

I don’t know why I get worked up about these HOF debates .. but they always work.

by Toxicadam on Jun 23, 2008 11:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Omar’s case is puzzling. There are some good arguments for his inclusion, and there are some folks who will persuasively argue that he’s not even borderline at all. It’s easy to admit that Trammel was the better SS, but I’m not sure that’s the right way of looking at this.

Pains me to say it, but I’m leaning towards a ‘no’ for O.

by jhon on Jun 24, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Listen, I love Omar. Given, okay? I think it was Omarrocks who put it best when he said, “Omar rocks.”

That said. I’ve put up with a lot of people who won’t stop talking about Omar to the point of hyperbole. One guy I know said, “Maybe seeing Omar will give Peralta the kick in the pants he needs to start playing.”

Yeah, buddy. Maybe Omar’s 24 OPS+ will inspire Jhonny’s 90 OPS+, or his 1.063 OPS over the past week.

I know none of you are these people. I just need to get that off my chest to someone who understands those numbers.

Again, I love Omar. But man.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 23, 2008 11:25 PM EDT   1 recs

Omar was on two teams that went to the WS and had 78 and 85 OPS+ those years, not to mention a 110 OPS+ in 1999 and 102 OPS+ in 2002. He wasn’t SUPPOSED to hit, yet he did for several years. This is about what he contributed in the past to this franchise, not about your friend’s idiotic comment or what he is today.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 23, 2008 11:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Trust me, if the number of people I’ve either spoken with personally or heard on the radio are indicative, it is about what he is today. As much as I wish this was just about everything he did for Cleveland while he was here.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 24, 2008 7:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough. I don’t get it out here, but I’m sure it’s pretty prevalent in Cleveland.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 24, 2008 9:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I made the mistake of reading the comments on cleveland.com too. I enjoyed the complaint that Shap is too much a stat guy and doesn’t know how to recognize a good ballplayer just by watching. I’m sure if Omar had the line he does right now while playing on the Indians, people would be screaming bloody murder to trade him for a “big bat”.

The batter swings and the summer flies...

by cclemens31 on Jun 24, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think anyone who grew up with those Indians teams remembers Omar the best of all of that group. There is something about the way he plays and carrisd himself that reminds you of how much fun baseball should be. Yeah, he’s old now and he can’t hardly hit anymore, maybe he’s lost a step on the basepaths and maybe (perish the thought) his range is inches less than it used to be, but he’s still Omar.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by fwembt on Jun 24, 2008 12:11 AM EDT   0 recs

I remember being so upset that Cleveland wasn’t going to resign Vizquel that I actually wrote a letter to Mark Shapiro stating why he should bring Vizquel back. It didn’t work, but Shapiro made a solid counter argument when he wrote back, haha.

First-ballot Hall of Famer for sure. I wonder if he’ll end up being one of the last defensive-minded shortstops to make it into the Hall. There seems to be so much emphasis on offense now, even for middle infielders. It will be interesting to see what type of players get inducted at that position in the future.

by Pronk33 on Jun 24, 2008 12:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Omar is a borderline Hall of Famer and many people think he doesn’t belong at all. If he does make it in, it definately won’t be on the first ballot. I’m an Indians fan and I loved Omar, but you have to be objective about this. As was mentioned above, if Trammell’s not in, there is no way Omar should be.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 24, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Omar’s 7-69 slump has dropped his average to .171. Burriss was given the start at SS Sunday in KC so Omar will have had 2 full days off prior to his return to Cleveland.

Who knows how much longer he will hold on as the starter?

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 3:20 AM EDT   0 recs

Link isn’t working.

Bochy would be absolutely crazy to not give Omar the start to night. Let him wave his hat, make a few plays at short, etc.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 24, 2008 7:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Starting Tuesday

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 24, 2008 9:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I always thought Omar was inadequately measured by statistics. He was fun to watch when he played here; he had real flair and clearly enjoyed being good at what he did - especially fielding. One thing those 90s teams really had was entertainment value - Belle glaring at pitchers, Baerga’s animation, moon shots from Thome, etc. I think that’s one reason people really like Grady (and Cabrera too)—they’re fun to watch, even if things aren’t going well.

by peter m on Jun 24, 2008 9:58 AM EDT   0 recs

This is exactly what I was thinking, it was the entertainment value that really endears him to me. As you said he had a real flair for playing the game, and especially brought a sense that something exciting could happen at any time when he was fielding. Simply asssessing Omar’s value to a Cleveland Indians fan by a statistical measure of hitting abilities, fielding abilities, etc. will miss the point all together. He was a very good player and an excellent entertainer, something that matters when your dropping a decent amount of cash to attend a game with your family.

by hans on Jun 24, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would change this to say that he HAS a real flair for playing the game. Even though his hitting is going downhill right now he still makes timely, spectacular plays that just make you sit back and say, “I love baseball”.

Anyway, I’m a Giants’ fan perusing your sight before tonight’s game. It looks like Laffey is having a good year so far. Sanchez is hit and miss. Sometimes out he struggles a bit and gives up tons of runs. Other times he is simply amazing to watch. Good luck tonight!

by paboperfecto on Jun 24, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope Omar gets the reception he deserves tonight. I always though he played the game with a lot of class – the way it was meant to be played and had fun doing it.

Although he should be remembered for his defense, my fondest memory of his performance is his bases loaded triple with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th that (finally) tied the game in the 12 run comeback over the Mariners in 2001.

It’s been posted here before, but those who would like to relive that game (and who other than members of lookoutlanding wouldn’t), there’s a nice piece with audio from the radio feed and visual aids here.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jun 24, 2008 1:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Fond memories of that game, didn’t have TV, tuned in on the AM for it.

by joeee on Jun 24, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As amazing as Omar was in games, and he certainly was that, the thing I’ll always remember about him was his pre-game fielding practice routines. He did things with the ball that I’ve never seen anyone come close to since and many of his tricks seemed almost like illusions at the time (from my teenage perspective). I also loved the fact that he could still have fun, after playing baseball for so long, and still convey that excitement to the audience in such a clear way. Does anyone else remember his pregame “shows”?

by JonduncO on Jun 24, 2008 3:13 PM EDT   0 recs

I’m guessing the game tonight is sold out, seeing as how it won’t let me buy tickets.

by Fundamentals on Jun 24, 2008 3:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Tickets are currently not available online for one of the following reasons. Please check back for availability. 1. Tickets may not be on sale yet.
2. Tickets may not be available at this time. More tickets may become available later.
3. Tickets may not be available online just hours before an event occurs.
4. On rare occasions, tickets may only be available at ticket outlets or the box office.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 24, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve bought tickets on gameday later than this before…

by Fundamentals on Jun 24, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i don’t know… it’s just that “this event is sold out” is not one of the 4 options.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and from today’s cleveland.com lovefest:

A week before Vizquel and his San Francisco Giants arrived for their three-game interleague series with the Indians, the club had already sold about 22,000 tickets for each, with expectations those numbers would climb as the games draw near.

Maybe not impossible, but I’d be surprised if they’ve sold approximately 20,000 tickets in a week, all things considered.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jun 24, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a stealth sellout?

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It isn’t.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 24, 2008 6:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Omar’s presser currently on WTAM

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 4:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Omar plans to be ML manager after he retires

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

without a stint in the minors

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

would consider Cleveland - pitching for Wedge’s job???

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

now picked up by ESPN

by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a story about Omar, courtesy of my wife. About 9 or 10 years ago, when she was in her early college years (long before I knew her), she and some of her girl friends went to Toronto to see the Indians play. They went to the hotel where the players were staying to meet them and get some autographs. They saw Omar, Manny, Einar Diaz, and some others. Anyways, Omar was flirting with them and invited them up to his room. Then he kissed her!! Omar kissed my wife! They turned him down, of course.

I always heard he was a ladies’ man and fooled around, but now I have proof.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 24, 2008 9:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t think he was a “playa” but rather a flirt. My younger sister knew a lot of the Tribe players a few years ago. She went to the games quite often and told me of one experience after a game where he actually grabbed her butt when hugging her. So I totally believe he flirted with your wife.

by talonk on Jun 24, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s too bad she has (probably) washed her face since then or you could pretend to be kissing Omar.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by fwembt on Jun 25, 2008 9:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for including the “probably.”

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 25, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The story of Omar’s confrontation with the Yankee fan on the subway just re-enforces my admiration for him and also solidifies another premise of mine. That is: you don’t ever wanna fool around with a professional athlete, no matter how small or metro-sexual you think he is. All of these guys are in great shape and most of ‘em have no qualms about tradin’ shots.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jun 25, 2008 12:10 PM EDT   0 recs

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