Omar! Returns
In a nice bit of scheduling, Omar Vizquel will have an opportunity to return to Cleveland in what's probably his last season in baseball. Though Omar wonders what kind of reaction he'll get, there's a 100% chance Indians fans will give him a standing ovation or three. In Cleveland, how you leave is the big deal: both Thome and Manny left in the midst of their primes for huge contracts, while Omar left on good terms with the team and the fans. There were no contentious contract negotiations, as the Indians had already decided to go with Jhonny Peralta at shortstop.
Bill Livingston offers a colorful anecdote:
He got off the "4 train," the subway to the Bronx and Yankee Stadium, in the playoffs one year and was heckled by strap-hangers who recognized him. "It's (flipping) Omar!" yelled one. "I oughta break your (flipping) arm!"
"Yeah, it's (flipping) Omar!" Vizquel shouted back. "What are you going to do about it, (flipping-flippers)?"
Eric Wedge lauded Vizquel's attitude during his first season as manager:
"You hear me talk about having fun and enjoying the game and loving to come to the ballpark," Wedge said. "I don't know if you could think of somebody who did it better than him.
"I just remember watching Omar play. It was like he was playing Little League. He was so relaxed and enjoyed it so much. And I don't think that was just baseball, I think he generally enjoys life."
There was also this, which I don't think has been mentioned before:
Wedge remembered calling Vizquel into his office one day. Vizquel, as he sometimes did, didn't run out a ground ball. At the time, Wedge had gone head-to-head with outfielder Milton Bradley over the same issue.
"I have nothing but respect for Omar," Wedge said. "What I said is, How can I get these guys to run if you don't run?' He looked at me and said, I understand.' After that he was great.
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I’m thinking this is going to be like the reception Lofton got last summer x100.
I’m psyched!
by JesseAK on Jun 23, 2008 11:11 PM EDT 0 recs
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=1570
I don’t know why I get worked up about these HOF debates .. but they always work.
by Toxicadam on Jun 23, 2008 11:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Omar’s case is puzzling. There are some good arguments for his inclusion, and there are some folks who will persuasively argue that he’s not even borderline at all. It’s easy to admit that Trammel was the better SS, but I’m not sure that’s the right way of looking at this.
Pains me to say it, but I’m leaning towards a ‘no’ for O.
by jhon on
Jun 24, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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Listen, I love Omar. Given, okay? I think it was Omarrocks who put it best when he said, “Omar rocks.”
That said. I’ve put up with a lot of people who won’t stop talking about Omar to the point of hyperbole. One guy I know said, “Maybe seeing Omar will give Peralta the kick in the pants he needs to start playing.”
Yeah, buddy. Maybe Omar’s 24 OPS+ will inspire Jhonny’s 90 OPS+, or his 1.063 OPS over the past week.
I know none of you are these people. I just need to get that off my chest to someone who understands those numbers.
Again, I love Omar. But man.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 23, 2008 11:25 PM EDT 1 recs
Omar was on two teams that went to the WS and had 78 and 85 OPS+ those years, not to mention a 110 OPS+ in 1999 and 102 OPS+ in 2002. He wasn’t SUPPOSED to hit, yet he did for several years. This is about what he contributed in the past to this franchise, not about your friend’s idiotic comment or what he is today.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Jun 23, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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Trust me, if the number of people I’ve either spoken with personally or heard on the radio are indicative, it is about what he is today. As much as I wish this was just about everything he did for Cleveland while he was here.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 24, 2008 7:23 AM EDT
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Fair enough. I don’t get it out here, but I’m sure it’s pretty prevalent in Cleveland.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Jun 24, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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I made the mistake of reading the comments on cleveland.com too. I enjoyed the complaint that Shap is too much a stat guy and doesn’t know how to recognize a good ballplayer just by watching. I’m sure if Omar had the line he does right now while playing on the Indians, people would be screaming bloody murder to trade him for a “big bat”.
The batter swings and the summer flies...
by cclemens31 on
Jun 24, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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I think anyone who grew up with those Indians teams remembers Omar the best of all of that group. There is something about the way he plays and carrisd himself that reminds you of how much fun baseball should be. Yeah, he’s old now and he can’t hardly hit anymore, maybe he’s lost a step on the basepaths and maybe (perish the thought) his range is inches less than it used to be, but he’s still Omar.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on Jun 24, 2008 12:11 AM EDT 0 recs
I remember being so upset that Cleveland wasn’t going to resign Vizquel that I actually wrote a letter to Mark Shapiro stating why he should bring Vizquel back. It didn’t work, but Shapiro made a solid counter argument when he wrote back, haha.
First-ballot Hall of Famer for sure. I wonder if he’ll end up being one of the last defensive-minded shortstops to make it into the Hall. There seems to be so much emphasis on offense now, even for middle infielders. It will be interesting to see what type of players get inducted at that position in the future.
by Pronk33 on Jun 24, 2008 12:31 AM EDT 0 recs
Omar is a borderline Hall of Famer and many people think he doesn’t belong at all. If he does make it in, it definately won’t be on the first ballot. I’m an Indians fan and I loved Omar, but you have to be objective about this. As was mentioned above, if Trammell’s not in, there is no way Omar should be.
by Buckeye Brad on
Jun 24, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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I was waiting for an Omar themed post here, to see what tone it took.
One of my best memories of highschool is painting O-M-A-R on my chest with a few highschool friends and driving up to Cleveland from Mansfield for a game during the late 90’s.
Omar has been a metaphor for my following of the Indians. I would define my “fandom” of the Indians through the prism of Omar, as many (or some, or a few) LGTer’s might. I was a blind follower of the Tribe during the feast of the late 90’s. But as the team grew older and was traded off, I became more, not less involved. I remember Omar leaving because it made sense to me to let him go. I became excited about acquiring prospects in trades, and began to follow the minor league squads. In many ways, Omar leaving made me a fan of baseball.
It is bittersweet to see him come back. Not because my following of the Indians is defined by him, as it used to be, but because I realize how much I have grown as a fan and as a person by understanding why it was prudent to let him go and why our team has to deal with that to be successful.
by bewwolv on Jun 24, 2008 1:15 AM EDT 4 recs
Omar’s 7-69 slump has dropped his average to .171. Burriss was given the start at SS Sunday in KC so Omar will have had 2 full days off prior to his return to Cleveland.
Who knows how much longer he will hold on as the starter?
by palcal on Jun 24, 2008 3:20 AM EDT 0 recs
Link isn’t working.
Bochy would be absolutely crazy to not give Omar the start to night. Let him wave his hat, make a few plays at short, etc.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 24, 2008 7:26 AM EDT
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I always thought Omar was inadequately measured by statistics. He was fun to watch when he played here; he had real flair and clearly enjoyed being good at what he did - especially fielding. One thing those 90s teams really had was entertainment value - Belle glaring at pitchers, Baerga’s animation, moon shots from Thome, etc. I think that’s one reason people really like Grady (and Cabrera too)—they’re fun to watch, even if things aren’t going well.
by peter m on Jun 24, 2008 9:58 AM EDT 0 recs
This is exactly what I was thinking, it was the entertainment value that really endears him to me. As you said he had a real flair for playing the game, and especially brought a sense that something exciting could happen at any time when he was fielding. Simply asssessing Omar’s value to a Cleveland Indians fan by a statistical measure of hitting abilities, fielding abilities, etc. will miss the point all together. He was a very good player and an excellent entertainer, something that matters when your dropping a decent amount of cash to attend a game with your family.
by hans on
Jun 24, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
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I would change this to say that he HAS a real flair for playing the game. Even though his hitting is going downhill right now he still makes timely, spectacular plays that just make you sit back and say, “I love baseball”.
Anyway, I’m a Giants’ fan perusing your sight before tonight’s game. It looks like Laffey is having a good year so far. Sanchez is hit and miss. Sometimes out he struggles a bit and gives up tons of runs. Other times he is simply amazing to watch. Good luck tonight!
by paboperfecto on
Jun 24, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
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I hope Omar gets the reception he deserves tonight. I always though he played the game with a lot of class – the way it was meant to be played and had fun doing it.
Although he should be remembered for his defense, my fondest memory of his performance is his bases loaded triple with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th that (finally) tied the game in the 12 run comeback over the Mariners in 2001.
It’s been posted here before, but those who would like to relive that game (and who other than members of lookoutlanding wouldn’t), there’s a nice piece with audio from the radio feed and visual aids here.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Jun 24, 2008 1:32 PM EDT 0 recs
Fond memories of that game, didn’t have TV, tuned in on the AM for it.
by joeee on
Jun 24, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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As amazing as Omar was in games, and he certainly was that, the thing I’ll always remember about him was his pre-game fielding practice routines. He did things with the ball that I’ve never seen anyone come close to since and many of his tricks seemed almost like illusions at the time (from my teenage perspective). I also loved the fact that he could still have fun, after playing baseball for so long, and still convey that excitement to the audience in such a clear way. Does anyone else remember his pregame “shows”?
by JonduncO on Jun 24, 2008 3:13 PM EDT 0 recs
I’m guessing the game tonight is sold out, seeing as how it won’t let me buy tickets.
by Fundamentals on Jun 24, 2008 3:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Tickets are currently not available online for one of the following reasons. Please check back for availability. 1. Tickets may not be on sale yet.
2. Tickets may not be available at this time. More tickets may become available later.
3. Tickets may not be available online just hours before an event occurs.
4. On rare occasions, tickets may only be available at ticket outlets or the box office.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on
Jun 24, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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I’ve bought tickets on gameday later than this before…
by Fundamentals on
Jun 24, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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i don’t know… it’s just that “this event is sold out” is not one of the 4 options.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on
Jun 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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and from today’s cleveland.com lovefest:
A week before Vizquel and his San Francisco Giants arrived for their three-game interleague series with the Indians, the club had already sold about 22,000 tickets for each, with expectations those numbers would climb as the games draw near.
Maybe not impossible, but I’d be surprised if they’ve sold approximately 20,000 tickets in a week, all things considered.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on
Jun 24, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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would consider Cleveland - pitching for Wedge’s job???
by palcal on
Jun 24, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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I have a story about Omar, courtesy of my wife. About 9 or 10 years ago, when she was in her early college years (long before I knew her), she and some of her girl friends went to Toronto to see the Indians play. They went to the hotel where the players were staying to meet them and get some autographs. They saw Omar, Manny, Einar Diaz, and some others. Anyways, Omar was flirting with them and invited them up to his room. Then he kissed her!! Omar kissed my wife! They turned him down, of course.
I always heard he was a ladies’ man and fooled around, but now I have proof.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 24, 2008 9:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think he was a “playa” but rather a flirt. My younger sister knew a lot of the Tribe players a few years ago. She went to the games quite often and told me of one experience after a game where he actually grabbed her butt when hugging her. So I totally believe he flirted with your wife.
by talonk on
Jun 24, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
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It’s too bad she has (probably) washed her face since then or you could pretend to be kissing Omar.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jun 25, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
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The story of Omar’s confrontation with the Yankee fan on the subway just re-enforces my admiration for him and also solidifies another premise of mine. That is: you don’t ever wanna fool around with a professional athlete, no matter how small or metro-sexual you think he is. All of these guys are in great shape and most of ‘em have no qualms about tradin’ shots.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Jun 25, 2008 12:10 PM EDT 0 recs











