Game Thread: June 25, 2008
by Ryan
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San Francisco Giants @ Cleveland Indians
San Francisco at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)
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I really hope Sabean gets the STO broadcast, they just pointed out how well Blake would fit in with SF since they are the major’s best road hitting team
by Fios on
Jun 25, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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A less than stellar start, it appears…
by Fundamentals on
Jun 25, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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We. Suck.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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We’re going to have to jump over that 2 run hurdle tonight. Damn.
by millionairesrow on
Jun 25, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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Rec, just because this was the 6th comment of the game.
by Jay on
Jun 25, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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Good thing Zito’s going for the. Giants….
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jun 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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Wow. This game really sucks so far.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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I’m just resigned to the crapiness at this point
by Fios on
Jun 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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Guess there goes the ballgame
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
Jun 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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Yay for slow veterans hitting grounders right at the shortstop!
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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Even Hammy doesn’t know who’s at short
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jun 25, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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My irrational hatred for Sowers continues to look rational.
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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Marte played last night. It’s a conspiracy to keep Marte and Velandia from the team pinochle championship.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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Actually I believe this allows Wedge to sit Marte even more. Whenever Marte is in the lineup, its actually Velandia simply wearing Marte’s uniform. I simple trick for novice magicians such as Wedge.
by hans on
Jun 25, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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Seeing Bengie Molina run made me think of this typically brilliant quote from Joe Posnanski’s blog:
This is perfectly timed as it is just after Bengie Molina hit a hard ground ball into the hole between short and third, Kansas City’s Mike Aviles dove, smothered the ball, got to one knee, recited the Gettysburg Address, solved two Sodokus, took three ballroom dancing classes, grew a full beard, became fluent in French, got his Masters in finance, recorded an album of Tom Waits covers (oh no, wait, that was Scarlett), invented a practical electric car and then threw to first where he just barely threw out Molina by eight steps.
by Buckeye Brad on
Jun 25, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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He also includes a quiz entitled “Which Molina brother are you?” Take it here.
by Buckeye Brad on
Jun 25, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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In my opinion, that’s terrible writing. Kind of hammering the joke to death, isn’t he?
by odradek on
Jun 25, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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Yeah, Poz usually does better than that. But if you give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, it’s still pretty funny.
Best blog in the internet, easily.
I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!
by Fire Slider on
Jun 26, 2008 4:32 AM EDT
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Granted, it’s a layup, and granted, he dunks it. But it’s still a perfect dunk. I couldn’t read it to my wife without laughing.
by Jay on
Jun 26, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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Not only does he dunk it, he wears a Benny the Bull suit, sets up a trampoline, places cushions all around the baseline, has a chorus of adoring Lov-a-Bulls, pumps up the volume, uses a strobe light, and leaps from mid court. Then he bangs his chin on the rim.
by odradek on
Jun 26, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
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Is it common for SP to be this bad this early in contracts? I know there have been some guys lost to injury and all that but the Zito signing seems like sort of a fresh spin on terrible pitcher signings.
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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Barry Zito just had a 1-2-3 inning against the Tribe. Seriously.
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by Fundamentals on
Jun 25, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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Fear not the 1-2-3 so much as the strikeouts.
by xrickx on
Jun 25, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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Look on the bright side, Francisco didn’t strike out.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jun 25, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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I really don’t want to read tomorrow about why Zito’s dominant outing against the Indians signals his return (only to see him get lit up in his next start)
by Fios on
Jun 25, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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You probably should avoid the paper and internets tomorrow then.
The batter swings and the summer flies...
by cclemens31 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
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I don’t think anyone is foolish enough to think that beating this hapless lineup signals anything
by millionairesrow on
Jun 25, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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2-0?
What the hell!
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2008: let the hate flow through you.
by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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Huh. New board doesn’t like question marks and exclamation points in a row.
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2008: let the hate flow through you.
by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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OK, just got here, wanted to make one observation. We’re starting Jhonny Peralta, Ryan Garko, Casey Blake AND Jorge Velandia over Andy Marte. There are literally endless permutations that involve getting Marte into this lineup. There’s also the straightforward fact that Jorge Velandia shouldn’t be starting at all. But even if you buy that Peralta needs rest, then DH Casey, let Peralta have the night off for real and play Marte. Or DH Garko, move Casey to first and play Marte.
WHAT THE FUCK
by NickFantana on
Jun 25, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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Everybody knows Blake can play the other corners, and play part-time. His value is higher as a somewhat legit starting third baseman. I’m clinging to the idea that it’s all about showing other teams that Casey could slot in for a third baseman full time. It’s either this or I just lay on the floor jittering with the idiocy of it all.
by fleerdon on
Jun 25, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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So play Blake at third, and DH Marte. Because, ostensibly, the only reason Velandia is in the game is to get Peralta rest. Is DH’ing really more restful than playing short? Because we all know that Wedge doesn’t believe in playing guys just to get them work.
by NickFantana on
Jun 25, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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I can’t wait for a pressure situation to arise, for Velandia to come up to the plate, for Andy Marte to be subbed in, and then for somebody else to be subbed for Marte before he bats.
by fleerdon on
Jun 25, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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Hire new defensive strategy – don’t let the other team score
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jun 25, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
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Don’t mind me while I head to 2005 to attempt to find the last time Barry Zito retired 4 batters in a row. Maybe I’ll find Travis Hafner in the mean time.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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5!
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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If you find Pronk, tell him we miss him
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jun 25, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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Well, in none of his previous 3 starts before tonight did he get out 5 in a row at any point.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
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Is Cabrera eligible to come back up?
by millionairesrow on
Jun 25, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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NO NO HITTER!
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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No – it can’t be true. Take it back!!
by Buckeye Brad on
Jun 25, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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Other than Sizemore, Francisco, Choo and a healthy Martinez, I agree.
by NickFantana on
Jun 25, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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as of today, this statement is just not true (/sobs)
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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deal with that dose of 2008 indians baseball reality. mother of pearl…
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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Go ahead and take the night off offense, you’ve done plenty
by Fios on
Jun 25, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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i leave you guys alone for 2 innings and THIS is the verb’ing noun i come back to??
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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SHIT
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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Bring up Janeane Garofalo.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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James Gandolfini.
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2008: let the hate flow through you.
by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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Yakov Smirnoff.
I think I’m doing it wrong.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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Before tonight, Barry Zito last retired 5 batters in a row on May 29.
(2008, believe it or not)
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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but really…you have to expect to come up on the losing end against a guy like jorge castillo more often that not…
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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Just last week I was telling a friend that a dark part of me just wishes we’d either go on a 15-5 tear or just shit the bed and get it over with already. Good to see we’re apparently choosing plan B.
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by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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Jose Castillo is a pitiful major league hitter. And he’s destroying the Indians.
by xrickx on
Jun 25, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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According to Joe Posnanski, the “Molina” should be used as a new measure of slowness.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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Games I’m watching other than the Indians/Giants (thanks to EI):
Fresno St vs. Georgia on ESPN— Some kid with no ligaments in his thumb who looks like Tiger Woods at the Open when he swings just knocked one out of the park. Bulldogs up 2-0 over the Bulldogs.
NYY vs. Pirates—Justin got lucky when Doumit tried to score from second and was thrown out by, as they say, a country mile. Rally averted. Yanks up 2-0.
Reds vs. Blue Jays—Harang might win a game. I think they’re winning 2-zip as well. I’m sensing a theme.
Mets vs. Seattle—Wright just hit his second home run. He’s on my fantasy team. Drink.
Cardinals vs. Tigers—Ankiel hit a home run and then gunned out a runner at third. He was in shallow center, but still. Tied at 2 all.
Go Tribe.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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Perhaps it’s the thumb ligaments of the Indian hitters that prevents them from offensive production?
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Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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One of us has a mission …
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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Gotta love that arm
LGT's resident beer connaisseur.
by LGT Patrick on
Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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I don’t disagree with Jay very often but I disagree heartily about Sowers.
He’s not a major league pitcher.
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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If Paul Byrd can do it, Jeremy Sowers can do it.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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I dislike him more than those Kennywood commercials at this point
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Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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god i hate those.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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the 41 MPH changeup as “out pitch” isn’t doing it for you, huh?
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Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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I was thinking about this earlier today. You have to look at him as still in his rookie season — there’s going to be some ups and downs, some really good stuff and some total disasters. Tonight was his 33rd career start in the majors, and his ERA is 5.00 over 187 IP. Is that a bad rookie year? Not at all.
For a guy always expected to be a 3-4 starter, how much better should we expect in his first year? Seems to me Sowers basically suffers from inflated expectations based on his 2006 season, minors and majors, which made him look like an instant 2-3 starter. Just as with Asdrubal’s great six weeks to end 2007, those expectations were never realistic — but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t still what we originally thought he was.
by Jay on
Jun 25, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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You’re probably right. And my objective self agrees with you.
But my primal fan can’t handle him. I hate the lack of strikeouts, I hate the walks, and I hate his stuff. Ugh. My gut is stupid and lies all the time but my gut thinks he’s not going to ever get it done in the league.
Taking a step back, I probably dislike him so much not because I bought into the inflated expectations but because I hated listening to others buy in. I’m overcompensating for others’ enthusiasm.
by afh4 on
Jun 26, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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Hey, look, your gut could turn out to be right. I’m sure I tend to be biased toward the upside of most if not all of our prospects and players.
My objective side simply says, what did we originally expect out of this guy, and has anything really happened to make us change that expectation? And from what I can see, the answer is no — Sowers has only been a disappointment relative to our raised expectations, not relative to our original and more objective ones. Guthrie somewhat suffered from this as well.
Sowers has 3.5 seasons as a pro:
• 1 season dominating High-A and Double-A at age 22.
• 1.5 seasons dominating Triple-A at age 23-24
• 1 season of ups and downs in the majors at ages 23-25
Having said that, the case that the Indians have the magic low-K-rate-pitcher-developing potion is still being made and is far from being proven — so the default posture probably should be: “Weak stuff with low K rate, this is probably not going to work out.” And that’s what your gut is telling you, which means that your gut is agreeing with a totally reasonable analytic point of view.
Basically, you just don’t have my sunny disposition.
by Jay on
Jun 26, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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Anybody else watching engaged and underage on mtv?
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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Are you the bisexual bride to be or the groom who is going overseas to defuse bombs?
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Jun 25, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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Oh wait I confused it with Life of Ryan.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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OMG! You’re little brother is going to be screwed up, dude.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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“How are you going to feel about my sexual orientation after we’re married?”
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Jun 25, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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YES.
I love how she was talking all that noise on sumter, sc and where are they? somewhere equally ridiculous?
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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I hate when they interview C.C. and suck up to him.
by xrickx on
Jun 25, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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That’s a bull call by the umpire, who is giving Sowers absolutely no stretch on the zone.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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“I’m going to get distracted by the life that’s emerging and miss out on the life that I’ve been craving.”
W
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Jun 25, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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I’m gonna start rooting for a shutout soon, so that our suckiness begins to be noted on a more National scale. Why should only we be able to know?
And, a Barry Zito shutout might finally get some people fired.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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If that happens, even Tom Hamilton might ask for a trade.
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by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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The Detroit guys were just talking about it. Alas, the inning ended just as they were getting warmed up.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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I think this is to the point where it’s probably affecting Grady’s social life.
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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I’ve decided to partake in the game thread without actually watching the Indians game. It’s going swimmingly so far.
This might just be a Dandy Partay after all.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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It’s really the best way.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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This is a Racey Casey Blake Bake.
So I guess it’s a risque pot party.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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Only just? I’ve been doing that for a month. Grab some couch, breh. I bought pretzel rods.
by fleerdon on
Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Boom I want some Pretzel rods. I’m going to start drinking I think.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Snyder’s of Hanover. It’s not even debatable.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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Exercise? Alcohol?
Okay, I’m going to take my laptop to the basement, turn the game on, drink a beer, and work out. At the same time. Break.
by fleerdon on
Jun 25, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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Wow, chowing down on some Rold Gold as we speak.
These things are like crack, I tell ya.
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by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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I used to eat pretzel rods with slices of American cheese wrapped around them as a kid.
I just cracked a beer. I’ve got Extra Innings and now pretzel rods. I’m not getting pissed at the Tribe. This is actually pretty cool.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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The pretzel of choice at Chez Woodsmeister is the Anderson’s peanut butter filled pretzel nuggets.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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So I went to a fridge to get an old style and accidentally came back with a bowl of cereal.
Sigh. I’m not what I used to be.
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
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How genetically predisposed to chubby do you have to be to be in the army and still be chubby?
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
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Dunno, but I just joined Sal’s Pals and lost 5 lbs.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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You know that every fat person in the history of the world has asked this question?
I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!
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Jun 26, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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Grady jumps when he doesn’t have to jump, dive when it doesn’t have to dive, and now he’s missing balls and getting hit in the face because of it. Stop trying to get on Sportscenter, and start catching the ball.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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dude, this is ridiculous. you seriously think grady’s acting out there? the guy goes breakneck at all times…please forgive him if he misjudges a couple. i think the spectacular, run-saving plays excuse a couple of premature dives.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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Rick Manning says the Indians will welcome the end of Interleague Play because they’ve struggled with it. Yea, because they had dominated the AL so easily prior to IP.
by xrickx on
Jun 25, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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Wait was Tyler serious about working out with a beer?
And does he really have a basement with a workout pad in it?
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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He was, and he’s at his parents’ house.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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What kind of workout happens with a beer?
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Arm curls?
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by vbc3 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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Arm circles.
Small circles. Medium. Big circles. All the way around.
Backwards….
Ah, gym class.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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I’m lifting tonight. We’ll find out.
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should have skipped Sowers turn and let Lee go against Zito
by palcal on
Jun 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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and then Zito would feel defeated before even pitching.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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Alright I’m not trying to be a dick but…
There’s no way that Vizquel should be playing major league baseball.
by afh4 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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yeah, there doesn’t seem to be any “might” about his retirement situation after this year. the guy’s done.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:05 PM EDT
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It’s been a horrible last 600 ABs for him from the start of last season. He still has his uses as a part-time player, but I doubt he’ll want that. And his numbers might continue to suffer, which hurts his already unclear but probably limited chance at the Hall.
by xrickx on
Jun 25, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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You really think he’s useful part time? I doubt his defense is really that good at all right now.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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In the NL? He can still handle some defense, start once a week, drop down a bunt, pinch-run. There are many worse 25th men on NL rosters right now.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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Don’t you listen to sports talk radio? He is so much better than our entire team because he can execute a suicide squeeze.
Greg Brinda actually was “shocked, SHOCKED” to find out Wedge has never called for one.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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RALLY TIME
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by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 8:05 PM EDT
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Woah, the Jays-Reds score went from 2-0 to 5-4 in an inning.
Did anyone hear about the rumored reason we didn’t hire Gaston in 2000?
Steel Nick
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Legend has it he sauntered into Hart’s office with his chest puffed out, flashing his two World Series rings on either hand. Basically the interview was him sitting down and saying, “Listen, I know what I’m doing, so here’s what your team does wrong and why I’m gonna fix it…” I guess it didn’t stand with Hart.
I don’t remember where I heard this, but it was the popular rumor at the time.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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Lucky for Indians fans, Hart took his brilliance to Texas and spun quite a beauty down there.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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Yeah, but it kind of makes me wonder why a guy like Gaston went jobless for so long.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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FYI – she’s the side-kick on Trivisanos show
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Jun 25, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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I almost sort of know her! Was she on TV? Definitely a hottie.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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Baboo!
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2008: let the hate flow through you.
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You had the call right.
LGT's resident beer connaisseur.
by LGT Patrick on
Jun 25, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Who are the hunnies in the booth?
LGT's resident beer connaisseur.
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I’m watching this round table on BET.
David Banner is incredible.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Four strikeouts in 3.1 innings against this guy. It’s just not even right.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Someone tell me what’s going on with the Indians game.
And what the hell Baboo means.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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Anybody? Miller Lite or Coors Light for a workout beer? Miller’s got fewer carbs, but Coors has those commercials with people rock climbing.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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If you’re drinking beer with your workout, you’ve already thrown the health concerns out the window, no?
Go with a stout.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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do those exercise rings with a stroh’s and a cigarette
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Jun 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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“America consumes negativity”
-David Banner
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Baboo is regular poster Julie’s pet name for Jamey Carroll.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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LGFT HR for Toronto this evening.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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Although I know only about three of you are watching.
Fine. I’ll just put it on. But only for a second.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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Garko could have watched that ball bounce in the dirt and walked to first base. Yet he swings and the inning is over.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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Still 3-0 SF for those not following the game.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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Barry Zito has pitched four consecutive scoreless innings just twice this season. Tonight, he goes for five.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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Well, a guy with Sowers stuff, he’s able to walk a few hitters. Just so much movement.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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Andrew I flipped to BET to see what you were talking about. It was a commercial (Dr. Miracle??) but the guide info on it looked pretty interesting. I’m going to DVR the later replay.
I don’t usually have a problem with mainstream hip-hop, but some of this stuff has gotten annoying. When the hell did it become cool to be obsessed with strippers? When did it become super manly to have to pay a woman to feign interest in you?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
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And when in song-writing circles did it become ok to rhyme “woah” with “woah” with”woah?”
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Jun 25, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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about the same time as “yeah” became a rhyme for “yeah” (juvenile)
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Jun 25, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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It’s a lot of shouting. But there are interesting points. Of course, I’m into this kind of stuff.
Ice-T just called out people for renting jewlery and cars for music videos. Pretty funny.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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He should call himself out for buying a wife. Or isn’t that how marriage works?
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Jun 25, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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These new Cedar Point commercials really misrepresent the park. No teenagers making out in line. Way too many sleeves.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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Way too many sleeves
I don’t know if this is a recent plague or I’m just beginning to notice it, but bare arms are freaking everywhere. Suns out, guns out.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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there we go
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Jun 25, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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One of the guys doing the Reds/Jays game just described someone’s numbers as “bodacious.”
And Adam Lind is batting.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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I’m jealous of you. I’m on the road and don’t have access to EI.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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Carl Crawford and David Wright have both hit 2 HRs tonight.
Both on my fantasy team.
I must double fist.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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Either the Indians are really really awful or America’s Next Top Model is strangely beguiling.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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They’re doing a nude shoot in the next break. Tell me you’re not interested.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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I’ve seen like at least one episode from every cycle.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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That winner from one of the early seasons, with the weird hair? When they went to Africa? Hot.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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the only thing interesting about this game so far is watching zito’s ERA drop inning by inning
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Jun 25, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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Zito hasn’t had more strikeouts than walks in any of his four June starts. Tonight, he’s at 0BB/4K.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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I’m looking at the free agent class this offseason. Hm…Some are way out of the price range. Other’s have their faults (age, bad defense, decline).
Burrell
Abreu
Dunn
Giles (club option)
Ibanez
Crede
Furcal
Orlando Hudson
Mark Ellis
Teixeira
I did not list Thome because he has no position on this club.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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Why I put an apostrophe in “others” is beyond me.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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You alerted us to the approaching S.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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We’ve offered CC 16 mil a year, right? So that means we have 16 mil to spend annually at least.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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That covers a lot of those guys.
I’d take a whiff at Abreu, Dunn, and Hudson.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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I value Abreu’s ability to wear out a pitcher, but he’s slipping and his defense is horrible.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
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And Dunn just doesn’t care. I heard it from Canada. (in all honesty, Dunn strikes out so much, I don’t know that he would be a good addition to a team that already strikes out too much, OBP and power notwithstanding).
by peter m on
Jun 25, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Dunn draws walks and hits for power. The strikeouts are tolerable.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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Because he still makes outs less often than other batters. And he hits ball hard.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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I’m trying to think of a championship team that had a guy like Dunn on it—walk, HR or strike out kind of guy. I’m drawing a blank. Persuade me.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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Um, one guy does not a championship make? There. Persuaded.
Do you place HOF votes on the number of championships a guy won?
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Jun 25, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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Nope. But, I’m trying to think of ways to change the way this team hits. We strike out too much. We don’t make contact. We have too many guys who overswing. Why is Dunn the solution? Sure he’s better than some of the guy we have. But, I’d rather have someone who approaches things differently.
I also think championship teams are good at evaluating players and determining who adds something equivalent to what you have to pay. If I have to pay big bucks for a player (and Adam Dunn will be expensive), I’d rather have a guy who brings more to the table than he does. I think good teams avoid guys like him (high cost—real, but limited reward).
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Jun 25, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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Isn’t “adding better offense” a way to change the hitting?
I don’t think striking out too much is a real thing. Making too many outs is a real thing.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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his power definitely makes a difference, as that, obviously, takes some pressure off of this light-hitting group to manufacture runs. but, while i tend to agree that “too many strike outs” is overblown, this team seems to have the least productive outs imaginable…few sac flies, not many grounders to the appropriate side of the infield to move runners up…seems to me that Dunn fits into that same mold.
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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Flying out with men on third and grounding out with men on second should not be an organizational philosophy.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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not sure i’m advocating that as an organizational philosophy, but i see peter’s point that dunn isn’t a true solution for this offense…and whatever the organizational philosophy is now (questionable assumption: there is an organizational philosophy on offense) sure as noun isn’t working
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Jun 25, 2008 9:03 PM EDT
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First of all, no one person is an answer to this offense. An offseason to think about what we’ve done and a couple good moves are in order.
I’m just saying Adam Dunn improves this offense, strikeouts be damed. 130 OPS+’s improve every offense, no matter how good or bad they are, not matter how many whiffs they take. You know who doesn’t strike out? Omar.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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fair enough…130 OPS+ is tough to argue with. i guess i’m clinging to a very Joe Morgan-ish “i don’t love what i see” as it relates to his role with this team.
as i said above, though, i’m usually on your side w/ the “too many strikeouts” argument.
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Jun 25, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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I’ll admit it—I don’t think it’s very entertaining to watch Adam Dunn play baseball.
But I want good players first.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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I’ll go back to my main point—the guy is going to cost a lot of money. We don’t have a lot of money to blow. So, if we get to spend that kind of money on one guy, a guy like Dunn, who I acknowledge adds something to an offense, is not my choice. We’re all complaining about the lack of contact this team makes. He doesn’t help us in that regard.
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Jun 25, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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We’re all complaining about the lack of contact this team makes. He doesn’t help us in that regard.
For the record, I do not complain about this.
But yes, I don’t like paying anyone huge sums of money. Dunn will cost us.
I think I like Hudson more and more.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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There’s just this blind eye turned when Carlos Lee signs that huge deal, and Carlos Lee, although agile for a big guy, isn’t anything on defense and just isn’t better than Dunn on offense even if he’s hitting .285.
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Jun 25, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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Strikeouts aren’t bad when it’s a result of a certain approach at the plate that is based on discipline, working deep into counts, and is accompanied by walks as a result of the same approach.
Then you add in the fact that the guy puts the ball out of the park with regularity, and strikeouts are much less part of the story.
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Jun 25, 2008 9:04 PM EDT
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A strikeout is always better than a double play grounder.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jun 25, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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I’m trying to think of a championship team that had an offense that wasn’t an offense.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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not a championship team (despite the banners).
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Jun 25, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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Plus, we didn’t pay him 10+ million dollars a year, and we dumped him pretty quickly.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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why did i think he won a ring with the yankees? BR is telling me he was never even on the yankees? what year is this??
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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Dunn and Burrell are just beasts on defense, and not good beasts.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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Now this is a legit argument against Dunn.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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Yea, but I don’t think you can find a guy who is so bad on defense in LF that he offsets a 900 OPS.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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I’m starting to think defense is a big deal. I go through phases.
I’d still take Dunn. I’m just saying.
I would not be cool with Raul Ibanez.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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The Indians erred in going for David Dellucci over Luis Gonzalez, not that Gonzalez was willing to come East. Guys like Gonzalez and Ibanez should be taken over Dellucci every time.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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Guys like Gonzalez and Ibanez should be taken over Dellucci every time.
I’m not being snarky when I say I don’t get what you mean here. Defend Ibanez.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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Can draw walks and not strikeout every other AB. They have an approach at the plate that even if they hit .220, they are still doing some decent things at the dish. Cleveland can’t sign perfect players, so defense will take a hit.
by xrickx on
Jun 25, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Were you in last night’s game thread? Did you see the gif?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jun 25, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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Nah, I wasn’t around. To what are you pointing my attention?
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Jun 25, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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http://i27.tinypic.com/28akex2.jpg
I don’t want to slow other people’s loading by posting it.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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And let me say I hope it doesn’t come to having Raul Ibanez in the outfield. The Indians can do better. I’m just saying, he’s a different type of hitter than is currently in this lineup.
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i would take rick manning over david dellucci, so perhaps i should stay out of this particular discussion.
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jun 25, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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If the choice is Dunn or Ibanez, I quit.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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I’m just trying to make the point that Ibanez’s offense doesn’t offset his horrible defense. I haven’t seen all the numbers for Dunn.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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Ibanez is on the downswing now. But for the last three or four seasons, he’s been quite a little hitter. He put together a decent late-career run, the kind the Indians hoped for from Jody Gerut.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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Let’s get Burrell, Giles, Crede and Teixeira.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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ya really – doesn’t Marcus suck?
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by westbrook on
Jun 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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There’s an obvious need in the lineup for guys who can make consistent contact.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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hooray!
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Surprised to see that Zito has 5 quality starts this year (but none in June). This is looking like #6.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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I believe his June line was 17 ER in 17 IP.
Steel Nick
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Jun 25, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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Looks like it could be a quality start for Sowers as well.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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3 runs against this lineup is hardly ‘quality.’
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Jun 25, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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3 runs in 6 innings, eh? I’m just not as down on Sowers as you are I guess – he needs to keep going out there and get the reps. I thought his last start wasn’t too bad actually, and if he goes another inning or two, this one’s not horrible either. Sowers as a cheap fifth starter is the least of our problems.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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Yes. 6 innings, 3 runs. And, his pitch count is still not too high. That’s two in a row. I think this was the pattern he established a couple of years ago. He started out kind of rough, but then started putting up consistently solid numbers and kept it up. Let’s hope we’re seeing him repeat that. It would cheer us all up (and lord knows we need it—Velandia indeed!).
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Does Tyra Banks know she’s actually not charismatic?
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i think you’re being generous. i would say repulsive is more accurate.
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Jun 25, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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Have you watched her show? She is able to talk aout herself no matter what anyone else is talking about?
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New life goal: Have somebody take a photo of me and dismiss it as “too Maxim.”
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ugh. I really dislike that chick.
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Her personality is reprehensible but I do find her attractive
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DEAR HAMMY AND HEGAN: IT’S NOT ZITO. IT’S US.
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acceptance is the first step in truly addressing a problem
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This could be one of the saddest losses ever. My small amount of optimism is waning…
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6 shutout innings.
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carroll accounts for 67% of our hits. i guess blake is no longer our best hitter
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wait wait wait wait, who’s average is highest?
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ummm, carroll.
but actually francisco.
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Does anyone else think at some point, no matter how good a dude Shelton is, you have to shake things up and get another voice in the batting cage?
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who knew…
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