Faustrubal update

Fausto feels better:

''Fausto will play catch tomorrow,'' manager Eric Wedge said. ''He will have to go through some of [what he already had completed] that again, but he won't start from ground zero.''

And Asdrubal needs to be kept away from the Major League grade post-game spread a little longer:

Asked if there was a time frame for his return, Wedge said, ''No we don't have one. We just want him to play.''

Part of the issue with Cabrera when he was on the roster was his conditioning.

''This is more about his daily routine than just baseball,''

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Jay, forgive the laziness/incompetence, but do you remember off the top of your head if there’s a magic service time date they might be eyeing with asdrubal? I had thought you said something when he first got sent down, but I can’t find it doing a quick search.

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 12:57 PM EDT 0 recs

Finally found it. Can’t believe how long that took me:

ASDRUBAL CABRERA — 0.055 start, 0.145 est., 1.055 max. Demoted just this week, Cabrera now has 125 days of service time, but there’s a presumption that he’ll be in the majors not just for all of 2009 forward, but also for 28 more days in September when rosters expand (or perhaps more like 20 if Buffalo makes the playoffs). If that’s the only time he spends in Cleveland the rest of the season, Cabrera will finish with 153 days, putting him on track as a Super Two for 2011 and free agency after 2014. If he spends 47 more days in the majors this season, including September, he’ll be on track to reach free agency a year earlier, after 2013. If, on the other hand, he spends the rest of this season in the minors, including September, or 123 days between this season and one other season, he’ll fall out of the 2011 Super Two class, reaching arbitration for 2012 and free agency after 2014.

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

Well, even beyond that, he’s been down there all of 18 days. He’s mashed, but he doesn’t have the kind of major-league track record that would move an evaluator to look at the 400+ average and say, okay, he’s “back” now. It’s a good sign if Triple-A has started to look easy to him — he in over his head there pretty good not that long ago — but I’m sure they’re looking to see him do it with some consistency over at least a couple of months. Unless the team starts to make a run without him, I just don’t see what the incentive is to call him up earlier than August 15, which (if my math is right) would put him at 0.170 at the end of the season.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

thank you, sir.

it was obviously encouraging to see that right away he went down and responded. i hope it continues. much like last year when they moved him back to AA which that time also parlayed into brief AAA and then MLB success.

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think he was mostly responding to the weak pitchers he’s faced.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

like lee tore up the weak hitters he faced in AAA last year, and garko, marte, phillps, and the gang before him. i’m not saying, “Hey, Asdrubal figured it out”, i’m saying “Hey, at least he went down there and did what he was supposed to and didn’t piss and moan about being down there.”

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

And I’m agreeing with that.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

Uhh.

So now we have two fat shortstops?

by afh4 on Jun 27, 2008 2:18 PM EDT 0 recs

ha. in a strange way, that makes me like him even more.

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

undervalued commodities

by APV on Jun 30, 2008 8:33 AM EDT up 0 recs

I’m mentally earmarking this information so that the next goofball like me yells about a player leaving via free agency for more money I can site this as the other side of “it’s just a business decision.” I am sure I can use this vs some CC basher very soon.

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jun 27, 2008 2:33 PM EDT 0 recs

use what? i’m not sure i follow. the service time stuff? what does that have to do with CC whether he stays or goes?

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

Sorry. But I am a moron in a hurry. I meant to say there will be someone who complains that CC has chased the dollar. That chasing is a business decision. I can’t begrudge him that decision. The opposite side of that is that the FO can, for all intents and purposes, delay Ascab from getting a bigger paycheck by keeping him in the minors this year. That may or may not be what is happening. I don’t believe it to be malicious, but it would be a good business decision all other things being equal. I don’t know, did I do any better explaining myself?

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jun 27, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

They’re both business decisions, but they’re not synonymous. If when Thome left he said "Hey, remember when the Indians suppressed my service time? Now we’re even!" I doubt anyone would have done anything but vilify him more.

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

man, I never like posting. i am just not as talented or eloquent as you regular posters.

I’ll try…

How much do you think Cabrera made in the minors? I’m betting less than $20k a year. Now he has a chance to live his dream and earn big dollars. He suffered a sophmore slump. He got sent down. If they keep him down, he is under control for a signigicantly longer time. His earning potential is dramatically lowered. His earning potential time period is limited. Maybe he plays into his 40’s. Maybe he doesn’t. The risks are high for him now early in his career. As he ages the risk of injury increase. Long term deals early are great for both a player and the team for this reason. But those contracts are skewed to cheaper side because the FO holds the cards, as they do now for him. Take it forward a few years. Risk of injury is even higher. Cabrera could spend 6 years of a potental average lenght 14 year career making the minimum. If you are a player, why wouldn’t you try to get as much as you could for as long as you could? And as a fan, why do we take it so personally?

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jun 27, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

If Cabrera were hitting, he’d be in the majors right now. He’s not. Whether Cabrera earns that big payday sooner rather than later was totally in his control. His failure to adjust to major league pitching is what is suppressing his ML service time, not some efarious management plot.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jun 27, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

I am not claiming that is what is happening. But would you hold it against management if all things being equal, they kept him in the minors because he would remain under control longer?

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jun 27, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

Thing is, Asdrubal never really earned his way to the majors in the first place. He never had any sustained period of solid performance at Triple-A, he was just promoted early, and too young, because of a gaping hole in the big-league lineup.

Well … easy come, easy go. Once he really hits his way onto the major league roster — as Crisp did in similar circumstances — he won’t be coming back.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

i don’t see why you should hesitate to post based on anything in this thread.

i think all of the above is just the nature of the beast. nothing players can do but perform and force the issue (whether they’re pre-arbitration or due to be a FA) and nothing FO’s can do but try and minimize their cost while maximising control.

as for the personal thing – i can only speak for myself, but i only take it personally when a player pulls the old “i want to play here forever or it’s not about the money” lines or both. i’ve got no problem with the tori hunters of the world who come out and say he wants the cash.

by Brick. on Jun 27, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

Thanks but it takes me forever to get my posts up to snuff, or what I view as snuff based on you regular posters.

I agree, nature of the beast and I am not complaining about the beast. As a Cleveland fan, I love the beast. I guess to what I was originally refering is that this nature should be recognized and used to shoot down morons in a hurry like me, or like I think I used to be, when we pipe up about losing a player to the money. I agree that the way some of them leave is infuriating, but that too is the nature of the beast, or at least that part of the beast especially since they haven’t sold there home yet in their beloved town and may not want it to be egged.

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jun 27, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

When it comes to contracts, players are always getting paid for their past performance. The team (and the fans) are paying for that performance to continue or improve. How many of the players think the contract is compensation for what they have already done? And is it wrong for them to think that way?

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jun 27, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

This morning’s PD reports Fausto will not be back till after the All-Star break … maybe (they’ll see how he feels after his workout of yesterday). Not very encouraging, actually.

by peter m on Jun 28, 2008 11:12 AM EDT 0 recs