Game Thread: June 27, 2008
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Blah, blah, buy/sell, trade CC, sit Blake, third order wins, playoff odds, OSU academics, Grady bats third, Stark, Sheehan, something called the Eurocup…...LET”S WIN THIS GAME!
My only problem with the idea that trading him now is best is this: No one is trading yet. Whoever trades for CC will have to mortgage the future. They will have to give up a lot. It will not be a no-brainer.
We may not need 5 more weeks of information before we decide what we’re doing, but that is uncommon.
Wedge gave injury update in pre-game news conference
Hafner’s right shoulder 40-50% of left shoulder; Indians want it to be 75% before he starts baseball
activitiies; he was at 30-35% 2 weeks ago
Interesting. So he’s got Jamey Carroll’s right shoulder right now, but they want it to be Ben Francisco’s level; two weeks ago he had Trevor Crowe’s.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hi there
Just visiting from RedReporter to see if you guys knew anything about the weather. What the hell happened to the Indians this year? I check their record occasionally out of curiosity, and don’t understand.
sig lines are for suckas
1. Don't use this
2. Sure… you’re here to torture us… don’t mess with our heads. Game should start around 8.
3. We suck.
4. You’d understand if you saw us play more often.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
Gotcha, no subject. It’s weird how different sites have different ways of posting.
I actually did come here to see if anyone said something like the "light drizzle" comment above, as internet radar kinda sucks.As far as torturing you guys I am in NO position to make fun, and would like nothing more than to see an Indians-Reds WS. At least for the last couple of years I could take a little pride in a decent team playing in the state. :)sig lines are for suckas
Whoa
A huge FAIL for me in the formatting dept.
Anyway, I said I was looking for something more than radar and am in no position to make fun. Also I’d love to see an Indians-Reds WS, and take at least a little pride in the Indians when they’re good since we’re in the same state.
sig lines are for suckas
I know – I was just messin with ya.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
Like I said, no way I’m throwing stones in the glass house of “you guys suck!”. :)
sig lines are for suckas
Tonight should be okay. Tomorrow looks very questionable though.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I had an interesting conversation with a Phils scout in Akron on Monday night. Long story short: He hates with a passion beyond most words Trevor Crowe and worships the ground that Wes Hodges walks on.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting. Not surprising, I guess. Hodges is clearly the better prospect by any measure.
What does he hate about Crowe? Anything specific? I always though Crowe was a scout’s guy. And his current performance is the best he’s ever done, by far.
Read an interesting comment from an Indians prospect not long ago oto the effect that the Indians don’t care about home runs at all, they don’t think they’ll translate to the majors. They just care about OBP and hitting the ball hard. Trevor Crowe seems to have been a moment of this philosophy totally running amok.
His comments on Crowe were largely the fact that he has been hugely overrated because of where he was drafted and the only way that he was going to be a major leaguer was as a leadoff hitter in CF and his arm in CF was questionable and his speed has dropped enough that he isn’t a prototypical leadoff guy anymore, so his upside value is as a good fourth outfielder. He called him one of the most over-hyped prospects that he’s ever personally seen.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If CC pitches great tonight, I think we can start picking our favorites. (I don’t think we have a chance for both of the latter two).
Steel Nick
Well, Fielder is going to make $30 million over the next three years.
It’s a nice acquisition, but not much of a bargain.
Also: He’s fat and probably a liability at 1B.
OPS+ of 156 at age 23? Isn’t that exactly what you want your prospects to become? At two million more than we’re paying Byrd. I’d take him in a hearbeat, defense be damned. It’s not like Garko rocks or anything.
Hey, love the hitting, but he’s a defensive negative, and those numbers are from the 2007 NL.
He is what you’d like your prospects to become, but you’d like them to become it before they get a $10 million arbitration payday, and you’d like to have them for 6.6 years rather than three, and you’d like for Scott Boras not to be their agent.
He’s certainly a defense liability, but it’s my understanding that when your offensive production is that absurd you drive in waaaaay more runs than you give up on D. Perhaps I’m misinformed.
You certainly want all of the things you list in your second paragraph, but getting all of that is kinda the perfect storm of impossible production, development, and timing. His numbers are down a bit this year so far, but I think he’s a lock to post around a 140-150 OPS+ or something during those three years. I can’t find any fault in that.
He never returns my calls. Damn caller ID!
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Grady!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
TAKE THAT, PHENOM
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
What’s with the echo tonight?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
To the best I can tell, he took that.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to let everyone know that I’m an idiot. Earlier, after I checked to see that the Indians were still on a rain delay, I flipped over the FSN Cincy to see what the Reds were doing. I saw the Reds were on a rain delay and thought “gee, so are the Indians. That’s funny.”
It took me a half hour to remember they were playing each other. Like I said, I’m an idiot.
Maybe I should have gone to the 56th best.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
me, but I have not actually seen it.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
it relied on a good jump with ball fading away from him, caught on run at knees . . . I was surprised.
Is anyone watching STO? What’s the point of having a car dealership open for 84 straight hours? Who buys a car at obscene hours? They’re just asking for drunks to come in joking about test drives.
Steel Nick
Let’s see, we’re just a half game ahead of these guys, so if the Reds win tonight, they’ll pass us.
And if they win by 78 runs, they’ll pass us in run differential also.
See ya, National Innocence:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3464459
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
I can’t say I’m pleased Sabathia’s leaving, but the capitalist in me can’t fault him. At this point, too, I’m just so desperate to see some real bats in the lineup again that losing C.C. seems worth it to me.
by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
hey what controller or joystick do i use with this new gameday so I can swing the bat
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Somebody tell Manning he’s an unfunny, mildly literate gasbag.
by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
so, uh, CC’s been pretty good since his first 4 starts huh.
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
So we have this guy named Peralta. He likes being a clean up hitter, but really, he’s an imposter.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
hmmmmm, consult Webster.
But comparing his defense to Omar’s would certainly be laughable.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
I was thinking predecessor as cleanup hitter . . . shit . . . he is an impostor!
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shin-Soo Choo is OPS+ing 130 right now.
/treads lightly
by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
This is pretty cool that we’re going to get a shitload for him. Between him and Blake we’re going to hit the JACKPOT!
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish garko was having a an OK year so we could get a lot for him too. i’m just not sold on him at all, I think Jordan Brown could be better tomorrow.
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
did I hear that right? 15 k’s in his last 27 at bats?
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Hammy sounds shocked that prospects are in the minor leagues.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
the much-debated radio commercial
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
WOW
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
Damn missed I missed it
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
So what are the chances we can get this pitcher signed to an extension…
Maybe he’ll take 75% of another team’s offer if we tell him he can stay home for the postseason.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
You typically don’t make jokes, so I have to ask you….ya jokin?
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
SERIOUS OR NOT? DECLARE YOURSELF!!!!!
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m gonna start watching playoff highlights
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
guys this is like one of his last 3 starts for us, let’s soak this in, feel good moment like
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
NOT IF WE GO ON A 15 GAME WINNING STREAK
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
oh who the hell cares he ain’t ours anyway no more
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
victor hit a home run to right center field in game 1 of the ALDS last year to put the indians up 6-3
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
oh just wait until i get to the ALCS
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
KENNY LOFTON!!! had 4 rbi’s in game one of the ALDS
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
Casey!!! Shame my MLBTV is a black screen, anyone having problems or is it just New Zealand’s crappy broadband?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
Horrible weather down here, guess they are all inside as well on the net!!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
How’s Blake’s All Star voting going?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
It melted doing something Blake-related, but it wasn’t voting.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And he can steal bases? Why wouldn’t you want him for your stretch run?
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
GRADY! Way to take the extra base off Damon’s weak arm!!
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
we’ll continue these playoff highlights later, time to play four square
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
Go Grady, wow Gameday is flash these days!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Just a city boy….born and raised in south Seattle….
Everyone join in now! Don’t stop….
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
After his first four starts, someone here calculated that if CC instantly reverted to 2007 form he still wouldn’t get his ERA under 4.00 for the season. Well, it’s June 27 and he’s at 3.85.
Happy trails, Carsten.
Benfran again!?
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
Pssh, that was a helluva effort. Although I’m not a fan of the faking of the catch.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet Jesus Marmalade. 10 Ks.
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
Why the vitriol for BenFran’s effort there? I liked it.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
Quick question #2: Who’s the better fielder … Choo or BenFran?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
Crowe and Steven Head both went 3-5, raising their averages to .314 and .313 respectively. Each hit a HR. Head’s been a pleasant surprise this year.
I think the sleeper on that team is SS Josh Roriguez. He’s drawn 50BB already, and he’s shown some power. He could be the guy who takes 2B if Asdrubal claims SS.
Is Trevor Crowe ever going to play here? He seems to be buried behind a lot of guys already up here and other stuff.
is Bauer/Mujica still on the team? If we’re up 6 and they aren’t warming up they might as well not even show up to the park.
There are a lot worse ways to go out than K-ing Junior with two guys on.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jun 27, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You know something we don’t know? We’ve still got some time until the deadilne. (Not to contend, but to seek out the right deal for him.)
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
Borowski has not pitched in 42 games.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No idea if this was his last game, but I recorded this game just in case.
I was at CC’s first game back in 2001. Pretty “meh” 5 inning performance where he got the win. Honestly, he was so hyped I expected the second coming of Pedro. So shame on me for not appreciating what this young kid did out there in his major league debut.
What a great 8 years he has given us. Tons of ups and downs in the organization, managerial changes, offense and defense has let him down at times but he never complained. He was a total workhorse and was instrumental in our two terrific seasons (05 and 07).
What a shame we couldn’t go out with a bang in his last season. I would have loved to see him redeem himself in the post-season. But it just wasn’t meant to be.
Good luck to you CC. You were the best Indians pitcher of my generation.
by Toxicadam on Jun 27, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I was at the park in 2003 when he threw his first career complete-game shutout against the Devil Rays. It was 0-0 going into the bottom of the ninth and the Tribe squeaked it out to win 1-0.
how mega would it be if we just schooled the entire world by trading CC, collecting the prospects, then re-signing him in the off-season.
by ASP on Jun 28, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
now that’d be worth an extra $1M-per.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
i don’t think it’s entirely outside the realm of posibility. it worked with kenny lofton.
but i think trading him to a huge media market would be the only way this might happen. the contrast between cleveland and milwaukee isn’t enough to potentially convince him that the familiarity and relative ease of the media here are worth the pay cut he will take.
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