Cincinnati @ Cleveland GameThread, Jun 27, 2008 7:05 PM EDT

Blah, blah, buy/sell, trade CC, sit Blake, third order wins, playoff odds, OSU academics, Grady bats third, Stark, Sheehan, something called the Eurocup…...LET”S WIN THIS GAME!

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs

Don’t delay the joy that will come with trading.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

My only problem with the idea that trading him now is best is this: No one is trading yet. Whoever trades for CC will have to mortgage the future. They will have to give up a lot. It will not be a no-brainer.

We may not need 5 more weeks of information before we decide what we’re doing, but that is uncommon.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

I believe Shapiro knows both the absolute and relative strength of his hand here

by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

Well, this answer (“Shapiro knows best”) is always a conversation killer. I think I’ve used it myself, but it’s no fun.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up 0 recs

Shapiro is a hack and a drunk, if we get anything more than a handle of Old Grandad, we should be ecstatic

by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

He keeps calling Bavasi, but he doesn’t call him back.

by odradek on Jun 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

what’s the deal ?

by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 7:10 PM EDT 0 recs

Light drizzle.

Wimps.

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah, anybody?

Radar looks like this.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

Wedge gave injury update in pre-game news conference

Hafner’s right shoulder 40-50% of left shoulder; Indians want it to be 75% before he starts baseball
activitiies; he was at 30-35% 2 weeks ago

by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT 0 recs

link to CastroTurf

by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

Interesting. So he’s got Jamey Carroll’s right shoulder right now, but they want it to be Ben Francisco’s level; two weeks ago he had Trevor Crowe’s.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up 1 recs

Just looked at a weather map, my decidedly unprofessional guess is that there will be a game tonight but not for another 30-40 minutes or so

by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT 0 recs

Who here would rather have CC bat than Dellucci at DH?

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 7:18 PM EDT 0 recs

That’s fine. But then I’d put Delluci at first.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

and Blake at short.

by bewwolv on Jun 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

What if CC bats and breaks his left hand and is out for the rest of the season? Then all we’d get are those draft choices. He shouldn’t even be pitching…

by odradek on Jun 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

I am upset to find that I am out of stadium mustard.

by bewwolv on Jun 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT 0 recs

Hi there

Just visiting from RedReporter to see if you guys knew anything about the weather. What the hell happened to the Indians this year? I check their record occasionally out of curiosity, and don’t understand.

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:40 PM EDT 0 recs

We don’t know. As to your second question, we don’t know.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

1. Don't use this

2. Sure… you’re here to torture us… don’t mess with our heads. Game should start around 8.
3. We suck.
4. You’d understand if you saw us play more often.

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

Gotcha, no subject. It’s weird how different sites have different ways of posting.

I actually did come here to see if anyone said something like the "light drizzle" comment above, as internet radar kinda sucks.

As far as torturing you guys I am in NO position to make fun, and would like nothing more than to see an Indians-Reds WS. At least for the last couple of years I could take a little pride in a decent team playing in the state. :)

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

Whoa

A huge FAIL for me in the formatting dept.

Anyway, I said I was looking for something more than radar and am in no position to make fun. Also I’d love to see an Indians-Reds WS, and take at least a little pride in the Indians when they’re good since we’re in the same state.

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

I know – I was just messin with ya.

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

Like I said, no way I’m throwing stones in the glass house of “you guys suck!”. :)

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

Tonight should be okay. Tomorrow looks very questionable though.

by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

Sabathia will eat the Reds’ lunch tonight in all likelihood. Tomorrow should be interesting if Cueto can control his stuff.

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

Bugs & Cranks has the latest on Sabathia.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT 0 recs

now THAT is some skilled photoshopping.

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

should we make some odds on hbp for this evening?

or better: pick your Indians player and inning (or AB) to get hbp.

I’ll take Garko in the 5th (or 2nd AB)

by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT 0 recs

Akron hammering one of the Phil’s top prospects, Carrasco.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT 0 recs

I had an interesting conversation with a Phils scout in Akron on Monday night. Long story short: He hates with a passion beyond most words Trevor Crowe and worships the ground that Wes Hodges walks on.

by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

Interesting. Not surprising, I guess. Hodges is clearly the better prospect by any measure.

What does he hate about Crowe? Anything specific? I always though Crowe was a scout’s guy. And his current performance is the best he’s ever done, by far.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

Read an interesting comment from an Indians prospect not long ago oto the effect that the Indians don’t care about home runs at all, they don’t think they’ll translate to the majors. They just care about OBP and hitting the ball hard. Trevor Crowe seems to have been a moment of this philosophy totally running amok.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

Interesting. He’d be the poster boy. Although Johnny Drennen might be jealous.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

And on cue, Drennen just misses one. Mills did not miss.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yo.

by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

Oh, Jordan Brown said that. Now it just sounds like an excuse.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

His comments on Crowe were largely the fact that he has been hugely overrated because of where he was drafted and the only way that he was going to be a major leaguer was as a leadoff hitter in CF and his arm in CF was questionable and his speed has dropped enough that he isn’t a prototypical leadoff guy anymore, so his upside value is as a good fourth outfielder. He called him one of the most over-hyped prospects that he’s ever personally seen.

by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah, that’s what he is now. I think we all realize that here.

Did you explain to him that it’s not Crowe’s fault? Because he had to play second for a while?

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

Kidding, right?

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

Acting!

by dgcambridge on Jun 28, 2008 3:10 AM EDT up 0 recs

isn’t he pretty much the only thing they have that would interest us in a CC trade?

by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

I’m no expert. Golson’s injured. There’s this guy.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

Escobar.

LaPorta.

Gamel.

If CC pitches great tonight, I think we can start picking our favorites. (I don’t think we have a chance for both of the latter two).

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT 0 recs

I like the middle one

by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

I second

by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

I would also consider Prince Fielder.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

Pass on Fielder.

I like Gamel.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up 0 recs

I’d take Fielder.

by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

Well, Fielder is going to make $30 million over the next three years.

It’s a nice acquisition, but not much of a bargain.

Also: He’s fat and probably a liability at 1B.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

OPS+ of 156 at age 23? Isn’t that exactly what you want your prospects to become? At two million more than we’re paying Byrd. I’d take him in a hearbeat, defense be damned. It’s not like Garko rocks or anything.

by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

Hey, love the hitting, but he’s a defensive negative, and those numbers are from the 2007 NL.

He is what you’d like your prospects to become, but you’d like them to become it before they get a $10 million arbitration payday, and you’d like to have them for 6.6 years rather than three, and you’d like for Scott Boras not to be their agent.

by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

He’s certainly a defense liability, but it’s my understanding that when your offensive production is that absurd you drive in waaaaay more runs than you give up on D. Perhaps I’m misinformed.

You certainly want all of the things you list in your second paragraph, but getting all of that is kinda the perfect storm of impossible production, development, and timing. His numbers are down a bit this year so far, but I think he’s a lock to post around a 140-150 OPS+ or something during those three years. I can’t find any fault in that.

by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

Damn you, CC, for giving me a reason to watch this game.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:07 PM EDT 0 recs

Wait… Did Buckeye Brad get a hold of Dusty Baker? Why is Dunn batting second?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 PM EDT 0 recs

oh, hah. I assumed I’d missed the #2 hitter.

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

He never returns my calls. Damn caller ID!

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

.386 OBP Baby!

I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.

by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

GRADY

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT 0 recs

GRADY!

by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT 0 recs

Oh.

Shit.

How about that.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT 0 recs

that was an amazing catch. reminds me of one milton bradley made out there once

by mpstable on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT 0 recs

Grady!!

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT 0 recs

wow . . . Gra -D

by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT 0 recs

radio guys just called it “better than Willie Mays”

by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT 0 recs

yea … I expect a heads up when gameday gets a hold of it.

The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.

by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

I’m not sure he had to jump, but it was pretty neat to watch.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think he jumped to put his foot rather than his face into the wall.

by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

Good call.

I used to have a picture of Kenny standing on the warning track after robbing a HR. There was a cleat mark in the wall about where his head was. Very cool stuff.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up 0 recs