Game Thread: June 27, 2008
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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Cincinnati Reds at Cleveland Indians, Jun 27, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
Cincinnati at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)
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Blah, blah, buy/sell, trade CC, sit Blake, third order wins, playoff odds, OSU academics, Grady bats third, Stark, Sheehan, something called the Eurocup…...LET”S WIN THIS GAME!
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t delay the joy that will come with trading.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only problem with the idea that trading him now is best is this: No one is trading yet. Whoever trades for CC will have to mortgage the future. They will have to give up a lot. It will not be a no-brainer.
We may not need 5 more weeks of information before we decide what we’re doing, but that is uncommon.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Shapiro knows both the absolute and relative strength of his hand here
by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this answer (“Shapiro knows best”) is always a conversation killer. I think I’ve used it myself, but it’s no fun.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shapiro is a hack and a drunk, if we get anything more than a handle of Old Grandad, we should be ecstatic
by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He keeps calling Bavasi, but he doesn’t call him back.
by odradek on Jun 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Light drizzle.
Wimps.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, anybody?
Radar looks like this.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge gave injury update in pre-game news conference
Hafner’s right shoulder 40-50% of left shoulder; Indians want it to be 75% before he starts baseball
activitiies; he was at 30-35% 2 weeks ago
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. So he’s got Jamey Carroll’s right shoulder right now, but they want it to be Ben Francisco’s level; two weeks ago he had Trevor Crowe’s.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just looked at a weather map, my decidedly unprofessional guess is that there will be a game tonight but not for another 30-40 minutes or so
by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who here would rather have CC bat than Dellucci at DH?
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine. But then I’d put Delluci at first.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if CC bats and breaks his left hand and is out for the rest of the season? Then all we’d get are those draft choices. He shouldn’t even be pitching…
by odradek on Jun 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am upset to find that I am out of stadium mustard.
by bewwolv on Jun 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi there
Just visiting from RedReporter to see if you guys knew anything about the weather. What the hell happened to the Indians this year? I check their record occasionally out of curiosity, and don’t understand.
sig lines are for suckas
by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know. As to your second question, we don’t know.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Don't use this
2. Sure… you’re here to torture us… don’t mess with our heads. Game should start around 8.
3. We suck.
4. You’d understand if you saw us play more often.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha, no subject. It’s weird how different sites have different ways of posting.
I actually did come here to see if anyone said something like the "light drizzle" comment above, as internet radar kinda sucks.As far as torturing you guys I am in NO position to make fun, and would like nothing more than to see an Indians-Reds WS. At least for the last couple of years I could take a little pride in a decent team playing in the state. :)sig lines are for suckas
by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
A huge FAIL for me in the formatting dept.
Anyway, I said I was looking for something more than radar and am in no position to make fun. Also I’d love to see an Indians-Reds WS, and take at least a little pride in the Indians when they’re good since we’re in the same state.
sig lines are for suckas
by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know – I was just messin with ya.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, no way I’m throwing stones in the glass house of “you guys suck!”. :)
sig lines are for suckas
by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight should be okay. Tomorrow looks very questionable though.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia will eat the Reds’ lunch tonight in all likelihood. Tomorrow should be interesting if Cueto can control his stuff.
sig lines are for suckas
by jch24 on Jun 27, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bugs & Cranks has the latest on Sabathia.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now THAT is some skilled photoshopping.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should we make some odds on hbp for this evening?
or better: pick your Indians player and inning (or AB) to get hbp.
I’ll take Garko in the 5th (or 2nd AB)
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Akron hammering one of the Phil’s top prospects, Carrasco.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had an interesting conversation with a Phils scout in Akron on Monday night. Long story short: He hates with a passion beyond most words Trevor Crowe and worships the ground that Wes Hodges walks on.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. Not surprising, I guess. Hodges is clearly the better prospect by any measure.
What does he hate about Crowe? Anything specific? I always though Crowe was a scout’s guy. And his current performance is the best he’s ever done, by far.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read an interesting comment from an Indians prospect not long ago oto the effect that the Indians don’t care about home runs at all, they don’t think they’ll translate to the majors. They just care about OBP and hitting the ball hard. Trevor Crowe seems to have been a moment of this philosophy totally running amok.
by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. He’d be the poster boy. Although Johnny Drennen might be jealous.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on cue, Drennen just misses one. Mills did not miss.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Jordan Brown said that. Now it just sounds like an excuse.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His comments on Crowe were largely the fact that he has been hugely overrated because of where he was drafted and the only way that he was going to be a major leaguer was as a leadoff hitter in CF and his arm in CF was questionable and his speed has dropped enough that he isn’t a prototypical leadoff guy anymore, so his upside value is as a good fourth outfielder. He called him one of the most over-hyped prospects that he’s ever personally seen.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what he is now. I think we all realize that here.
Did you explain to him that it’s not Crowe’s fault? Because he had to play second for a while?
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t he pretty much the only thing they have that would interest us in a CC trade?
by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m no expert. Golson’s injured. There’s this guy.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If CC pitches great tonight, I think we can start picking our favorites. (I don’t think we have a chance for both of the latter two).
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would also consider Prince Fielder.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Fielder is going to make $30 million over the next three years.
It’s a nice acquisition, but not much of a bargain.
Also: He’s fat and probably a liability at 1B.
by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+ of 156 at age 23? Isn’t that exactly what you want your prospects to become? At two million more than we’re paying Byrd. I’d take him in a hearbeat, defense be damned. It’s not like Garko rocks or anything.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, love the hitting, but he’s a defensive negative, and those numbers are from the 2007 NL.
He is what you’d like your prospects to become, but you’d like them to become it before they get a $10 million arbitration payday, and you’d like to have them for 6.6 years rather than three, and you’d like for Scott Boras not to be their agent.
by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s certainly a defense liability, but it’s my understanding that when your offensive production is that absurd you drive in waaaaay more runs than you give up on D. Perhaps I’m misinformed.
You certainly want all of the things you list in your second paragraph, but getting all of that is kinda the perfect storm of impossible production, development, and timing. His numbers are down a bit this year so far, but I think he’s a lock to post around a 140-150 OPS+ or something during those three years. I can’t find any fault in that.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you, CC, for giving me a reason to watch this game.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait… Did Buckeye Brad get a hold of Dusty Baker? Why is Dunn batting second?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, hah. I assumed I’d missed the #2 hitter.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He never returns my calls. Damn caller ID!
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.386 OBP Baby!
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GRADY
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was an amazing catch. reminds me of one milton bradley made out there once
by mpstable on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grady!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
radio guys just called it “better than Willie Mays”
by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea … I expect a heads up when gameday gets a hold of it.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure he had to jump, but it was pretty neat to watch.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he jumped to put his foot rather than his face into the wall.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call.
I used to have a picture of Kenny standing on the warning track after robbing a HR. There was a cleat mark in the wall about where his head was. Very cool stuff.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d say its a shoo-in for top play on sportscenter tonight.
by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless A-Rod homers.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Youkilis walks.
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TAKE THAT, PHENOM
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“They throw ungodly breaking stuff in The Show.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s with the echo tonight?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE echo tonight?
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take my phenom, PLEASE.
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, what did the phenom do?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To the best I can tell, he took that.
by Fundamentals on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to let everyone know that I’m an idiot. Earlier, after I checked to see that the Indians were still on a rain delay, I flipped over the FSN Cincy to see what the Reds were doing. I saw the Reds were on a rain delay and thought “gee, so are the Indians. That’s funny.”
It took me a half hour to remember they were playing each other. Like I said, I’m an idiot.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But one with a degree from the 57th best university.
by SuddenSam on Jun 27, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I should have gone to the 56th best.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DWBTTD
(designated walker back to the dugouter)
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope someone on the Reds picks a fight with Carroll so Dellucci can get in his face again. I’d like for us to like him.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see BenFran bulk up a little. Just a few steroids here and there.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow this is the first time I’ve used GameDay in two years….I’d say it’s improved a bit.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peralta’s the worst cleanup hitter I’ve seen since 08 Victor.
by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Outside pitch = pulled to shortstop.
Repeat infinitely.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After he fouled that first pitch down the 3rd base line, you knew he was gonna chase the rest of the atbat.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone truly surprised BenFran grabbed that?
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me, but I have not actually seen it.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it relied on a good jump with ball fading away from him, caught on run at knees . . . I was surprised.
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah – you mean he didn’t get stuck in sand for the first 3 seconds?
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shocking.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC – DO NOT get hurt.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore catch is on gameday. Loading as I speak.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone watching STO? What’s the point of having a car dealership open for 84 straight hours? Who buys a car at obscene hours? They’re just asking for drunks to come in joking about test drives.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My brother just asked the same thing.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 27, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No good reason other than to use it as a promotional line.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s kinda nuts that we ever considered giving up Choo on waivers. NUTS!
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s see, we’re just a half game ahead of these guys, so if the Reds win tonight, they’ll pass us.
And if they win by 78 runs, they’ll pass us in run differential also.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is only possible if CC pitches 5 or less innings.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This lineup is funnier when Peralta and Garko bat back-to-back.
by dgcambridge on Jun 27, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another shitty AB by Garko . . . watch 2 down the middle, pull one on the outside corner.
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
isn’t this why ahahandy muhmuhmuhmarte sits?
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston was not expecting a fastball.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS PITCHER IS REALLY GOOD.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 27, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with the LHBs the Reds are sending to the plate, he should K 10+ if his pitch count doesn’t get too high
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See ya, National Innocence:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3464459
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t say I’m pleased Sabathia’s leaving, but the capitalist in me can’t fault him. At this point, too, I’m just so desperate to see some real bats in the lineup again that losing C.C. seems worth it to me.
by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey what controller or joystick do i use with this new gameday so I can swing the bat
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Grady, you’re supposed to hit it right at SKinner, not RIvera.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone tell Manning that age jokes are the lowest form of humour.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how about extra u jokes?
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody tell Manning he’s an unfunny, mildly literate gasbag.
by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, uh, CC’s been pretty good since his first 4 starts huh.
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a ridiculous atbat from Carroll.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JC is unstoppable blind smackin the ball this week
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we have this guy named Peralta. He likes being a clean up hitter, but really, he’s an imposter.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t an impostor usually succeed in imitating his predecessor?
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmm, consult Webster.
But comparing his defense to Omar’s would certainly be laughable.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking predecessor as cleanup hitter . . . shit . . . he is an impostor!
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaa
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP GROUNDING THE BALL STRAIGHT INTO THE GROUND
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shin-Soo Choo is OPS+ing 130 right now.
/treads lightly
by fleerdon on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2.14 ERA since April 22nd for CC
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5-5 record
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty cool that we’re going to get a shitload for him. Between him and Blake we’re going to hit the JACKPOT!
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish garko was having a an OK year so we could get a lot for him too. i’m just not sold on him at all, I think Jordan Brown could be better tomorrow.
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Shelton’s continued employment is an attempt by the FO to make us suck enough that no fans will bitch about losing him… interesting.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1/22
15 K in last 27 AB
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did I hear that right? 15 k’s in his last 27 at bats?
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our relievers could only embark on a similar streak.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have to be showcasing him, right? why else would he be in there?
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aww was kinda hoping for a good albert belle story from burba there
by mrich on Jun 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammy sounds shocked that prospects are in the minor leagues.
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hegan*
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good AB by Garko…but I wish he’d just let ball four go by.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the much-debated radio commercial
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
much debated . . . care to explain? (not living in US)
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don’t really tell you what the product is… it’s been mentioned on here before a few times..
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sick 10-pitch atbat. I’ll take it.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope in this game the Indians can muster 1/9 of Carlos Delgado’s production today.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, one run is a lot to ask. Sorry.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they gotta muster 1. But CC would be lucky to get to the 8th . . . so we need more than 1
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t ask for a win. Just a run. Baby steps.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be undone, Ryan Garko will attempt to hit into nine infield popouts in the entire Cinci series.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, anyone able to help w/ business statistics hw?
by bewwolv on Jun 27, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
Average Runs Per Inning Tonight for CLE: 0
Mode of Runs Scored Per Inning Tonight by CLE: 0
Median Number of Runs Scored By Inning: 0
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, not exactly what I had in mind, but nice.
by bewwolv on Jun 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can they score a run before the game gets delayed, suspended, postponed?
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok, clouds, time to open up. let it pour!
by mpstable on Jun 27, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WPA: 3.00000000
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn missed I missed it
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This umpire has a firm grasp of the strikezone. I applaud him.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
screw this umpire.by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what are the chances we can get this pitcher signed to an extension…
Maybe he’ll take 75% of another team’s offer if we tell him he can stay home for the postseason.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
believe me. he was there.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh, you’re right. i thought it was the other cy young winner who walked 37 in 12 post-season innings.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Branyan hit his 11th homer in 80AB tonight; trade CC for him?
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You typically don’t make jokes, so I have to ask you….ya jokin?
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Branyan is not such a good idea; I hear Jim Thome is available
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SERIOUS OR NOT? DECLARE YOURSELF!!!!!
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m gonna start watching playoff highlights
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He fielded it! He fielded it cleanly!!!
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KKKKKKKK
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
guys this is like one of his last 3 starts for us, let’s soak this in, feel good moment like
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you . . . but can Dolan afford the bronze for the CC statue?
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT IF WE GO ON A 15 GAME WINNING STREAK
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as Jay pointed out, CC could make 6 starts between now and the trading deadline
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many K’s won’t be able to go complete game without going over the dreaded 100 pitch mark.
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh who the hell cares he ain’t ours anyway no more
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be a sweet last start in Cleveland?
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHOOOOOOO
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammy, discussing Indians fantasy camp, lauds the pitchers (Burba, Nagy) and then says: “And then Albert Belle’s going to show up and chase everyone around camp”
by Fios on Jun 27, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
victor hit a home run to right center field in game 1 of the ALDS last year to put the indians up 6-3
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, can’t picture it. Sorry.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there an award for most depressing posts in a night?
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh just wait until i get to the ALCS
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a crazy bounce at the plate.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KENNY LOFTON!!! had 4 rbi’s in game one of the ALDS
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RISP!!!!!!!!!!
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Casey!!! Shame my MLBTV is a black screen, anyone having problems or is it just New Zealand’s crappy broadband?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Horrible weather down here, guess they are all inside as well on the net!!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAUSTO IS SO GOD DAMN GOOD!!!!
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can’t say I’ve had it. Natty Light is my shitty beer of preference.
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard otherwise. Though I shouldn’t judge.
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There goes Thompson’s career ERA from 0 last inning to .9 to 1.8 now and potentially higher if the Indians can get 1 or 2 more this inning
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PUMP PUMP
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How’s Blake’s All Star voting going?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wedge melted his laptop doing online voting
by mpstable on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It melted doing something Blake-related, but it wasn’t voting.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we even have someone to send besides Lee?
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he can steal bases? Why wouldn’t you want him for your stretch run?
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GRADY! Way to take the extra base off Damon’s weak arm!!
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we’ll continue these playoff highlights later, time to play four square
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just feel good about a sac fly knowing the other potential outcomes.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice baserunning by the Garkinator.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jun 27, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Grady, wow Gameday is flash these days!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jun 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grady now handles the inside fastball better than the fastball over the plate. Love it.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good lord. If Casey leaves…we’ll never score runs.
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a city boy….born and raised in south Seattle….
Everyone join in now! Don’t stop….
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Beau Mills finished 3-4 with two HR tonight.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes I don’t follow our prospects well…
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heck of a night for the minor league teams. Big night from Crowe, too. Though Stevens just blew a save
by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After his first four starts, someone here calculated that if CC instantly reverted to 2007 form he still wouldn’t get his ERA under 4.00 for the season. Well, it’s June 27 and he’s at 3.85.
Happy trails, Carsten.
by SuddenSam on Jun 27, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so, if you throw out those 4 starts, has he actually been better than last year?
by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much better.
1.96 ERA, 9.6 K/9, 7.4 IP/G
Last season:
3.21 ERA, 7.8 K/9, 7.1 IP/G
by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when the Dbacks were like 18-7?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benfran again!?
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nope
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pssh, that was a helluva effort. Although I’m not a fan of the faking of the catch.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question: Why play Keppinger so deep as a pull hitter?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KKKKKKKKKK
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Jesus Marmalade. 10 Ks.
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why the vitriol for BenFran’s effort there? I liked it.
by supermarioelia on Jun 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a good effort. My question above pertains more to the coaches positioning the OF.
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
feet 3 seconds in morass . . . dive . . . no play . . . fakes out
by DocNo on Jun 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question #2: Who’s the better fielder … Choo or BenFran?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is the actual difference here?
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not play Choo, Gutz, and Grady in the OF and DH BenFran?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowe and Steven Head both went 3-5, raising their averages to .314 and .313 respectively. Each hit a HR. Head’s been a pleasant surprise this year.
I think the sleeper on that team is SS Josh Roriguez. He’s drawn 50BB already, and he’s shown some power. He could be the guy who takes 2B if Asdrubal claims SS.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Trevor Crowe ever going to play here? He seems to be buried behind a lot of guys already up here and other stuff.
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he still has to play in Buffalo. This is his third extended stint at Akron, so he better dominate as a 24-year old. On full cylinders, he’s probably Coco Crisp’s Cleveland version.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Sabathia pitching another inning?
by mjschaefer on Jun 27, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea…keep it away from Dunn’s sweet spot.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is Bauer/Mujica still on the team? If we’re up 6 and they aren’t warming up they might as well not even show up to the park.
by ASP on Jun 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s just that with a few guys on, you turn it over to the “trusty” ones.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just stopping by to watch C.C.’s last batter as an Indian.
by Jay on Jun 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot worse ways to go out than K-ing Junior with two guys on.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jun 27, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when he had his jewelry robbed in the hotel and his father came out from Oakland? I will miss CC.
by odradek on Jun 27, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know something we don’t know? We’ve still got some time until the deadilne. (Not to contend, but to seek out the right deal for him.)
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
by emd2k3 on Jun 27, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but the faster you move, the more pro-active a suitor you’ll trade with, and the bigger the bounty. Unless you believe in playing the deadline game. Which leaves teams time to find other options and eliminates suitors.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t brush back Junior! Hit Phillips!!
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jun 27, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It sure says something when your mop-up guy has already made 42 appearances.
by SuddenSam on Jun 27, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Borowski has not pitched in 42 games.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And, unfortunately, he’s also not our mop-up.
by SuddenSam on Jun 27, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. Unless they are trying to emulate a ninth-inning “feeling” for Masa, why is he pitching in this game?
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fernando Cabrera mad his debut tonight for the Orioles. 1 inning, 2BB, 1K, no runs.
by xrickx on Jun 27, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Victory
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2008: let the hate flow through you.
by vbc3 on Jun 27, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was out to eat with the family. Listened to most of the game on the radio, just got back. Tonight rocked.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AL Central sweeps tonight. KC keeps pace with Indians and the Indians make up no ground.
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The last Reds series turned the season around. Is it too much to ask?
by SuddenSam on Jun 27, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heard them say on TV last night when the first Reds series started, the Indians were 22-19, and in first place. 15-24 since.
by odradek on Jun 27, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No idea if this was his last game, but I recorded this game just in case.
I was at CC’s first game back in 2001. Pretty “meh” 5 inning performance where he got the win. Honestly, he was so hyped I expected the second coming of Pedro. So shame on me for not appreciating what this young kid did out there in his major league debut.
What a great 8 years he has given us. Tons of ups and downs in the organization, managerial changes, offense and defense has let him down at times but he never complained. He was a total workhorse and was instrumental in our two terrific seasons (05 and 07).
What a shame we couldn’t go out with a bang in his last season. I would have loved to see him redeem himself in the post-season. But it just wasn’t meant to be.
Good luck to you CC. You were the best Indians pitcher of my generation.
by Toxicadam on Jun 27, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I was at the park in 2003 when he threw his first career complete-game shutout against the Devil Rays. It was 0-0 going into the bottom of the ninth and the Tribe squeaked it out to win 1-0.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total rec.
I am fully expecting to lose the big guy, and yet it’s still gonna hurt a ton. Especially after games like today’s.
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2008: let the hate flow through you.
by vbc3 on Jun 27, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I listened to this game tonight I didn’t really appreciate that each start from now on can potentially be his last. If I get to listen to him pitch again I’m not going to miss a single pitch. This certainly would be bowing out on a (relative) high note with his performance tonight, though.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he sticks around to the deadline, he has at most 2 more starts at home, Tampa Bay and Minn/Det
by palcal on Jun 27, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just came in and saw the boxscore. I love how distracted CC is. Go Tribe!
by mcrose on Jun 28, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how mega would it be if we just schooled the entire world by trading CC, collecting the prospects, then re-signing him in the off-season.
by ASP on Jun 28, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
now that’d be worth an extra $1M-per.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on Jun 28, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think it’s entirely outside the realm of posibility. it worked with kenny lofton.
but i think trading him to a huge media market would be the only way this might happen. the contrast between cleveland and milwaukee isn’t enough to potentially convince him that the familiarity and relative ease of the media here are worth the pay cut he will take.
by mpstable on Jun 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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