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Anyone else that is procrastinating or actually interested in the MLB Draft?  The mock drafts have the Indians selecting a power hitting position player.  Some names I've seen come up: Zach Collier (OF- High School), Connor Gillaspie (3B- College), David Cooper (1B- College), Brett Lawrie (2B, 3B).  We seem to favor college players, but I think its hard to really follow any trends for the baseball draft.  Trevor Crowe, David Huff, and Beau Mills were our last three 1st round picks, lets see who joins them today.

 

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does Jay Bruce have a younger brother? Let’s draft him.

by ASP on Jun 5, 2008 2:39 PM EDT   0 recs

I like this idea- The Eli Manning theory.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

update:
1- Tampa Bay: Tim Beckham, SS, High School
2- Pittsburgh: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt
3- Kansas City: Eric Hosmer, 1B, High School
4- Baltimore: Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego
5- San Francisco: Buster Posey, C, Florida State

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 2:42 PM EDT   0 recs

I don’t follow college or high school ball enough to know: has anyone done anything stupid yet?

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cincy reached here with Alonso

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The draft like the Bengels used to draft…. nice

by hans on Jun 5, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, not sure if this is a Jockety thing. Alonso is looking for a bunch of money too.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe he’s drafting like I would draft…coolest name goes first.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha, are you a fan of Mistake on the Lake Sporting Times? They have some good fun with Football names and the Browns.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I actually haven’t read that site much. I’ve seen it but never really read it.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They haven’t been updating as much lately, but I love and adore each and every one of their posts. Their NFL draft posts are priceless.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, they say that people do such a good job on baseball analysis they don’t bother talking Indians oto much. But they are good mix between hilarity and comprehensive breakdowns. If you are a Browns fans their weekly recaps and previews are a must read, I think.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m not a Browns fan, but I really dig their Browns analysis anyway. I think I mostly have the RSS feed in my RSS reader just so I’m reminded when it’s LeBron day, though.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Their LeBron Day post from last year was the funniest thing I’ve read in a blog ever.

Free Andy Marte!

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by woodsmeister on Jun 5, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

here here

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no personal knowledge either, but it seems like these were 5 players projected in the top 10 or so, no surprises.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

6. Kyle Skipworth C- FL

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Yonder Alonso 1B- Cincy

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Steve Phillips says something intelligent. I’m quite impressed by this.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:55 PM EDT   0 recs

the High School thing?

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea…if a player’s dream is to play baseball in the majors then it’s stupid to turn down a MLB team and their coaches. They’ll make you much better than any college.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed, especially if you were getting drafted in the first round out of HS.

Sowers is an interesting example of how this played out. He was drafted out of HS really high, I think, by Cincinnati and was drafted again by us almost in the same spot… if I remember right.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve never been given the impression Sowers’s decision to go to college was especially a baseball decision, though.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly. An education like that is the only time I can understand a player not signing.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If you’re drafted high enough that you’ll get a ridiculous signing bonus to pay for college/training for other things if you don’t pan out, I agree.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

8. James Gordon Beckham SS- White Sox

I like this pick…he developed well at Georgia.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 2:56 PM EDT   0 recs

there won’t be any Beckhams left that don’t play soccer if this keeps up.

by Brick. on Jun 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Melville goes to the Nationals. They need pitching and he’s probably the top prep pitcher on the board. He has a low to mid 90’s fastball with a plus curve. He had about thirty scouts at his last high school game.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Pitcher, yes- but they went with Aaron Crow from Mizzou.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m actually surprised. Crow is very good so they didn’t really go wrong. It just thought that they might like a younger pitcher more.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

9. Aaron Crow RHP- Nationals

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:02 PM EDT   0 recs

I find it comical how these ESPN analysts are discussing the current 25-man roster of the clubs in analyzing the draft picks. Long-term deals to players like Albert Pujols or Alex Rodriguez aside, there are very few instances when having a player on the 25-man roster should impact your drafting strategy.

by xrickx on Jun 5, 2008 3:02 PM EDT   0 recs

I actually think that the Joey Votto thing is relevant. He is quite young and he figure to still be in Cincy in three years. Jocketty really baffled me with that pick.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Votto can play OF… Maybe they’ll push through a DH rule in the NL within the next couple years.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Your’e right. I forgot about Griffey and Dunn leaving in a year or two.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just find it foolish draft strategy, and I think most teams will agree. So you have a young first baseman….if the best pick out there is a first baseman, and that draft pick is the talent in which you’re most confident, dammit, draft him. So what if in four years you have Joey Votto playing well at first base and this stud prospect at AAA. Trade Votto or trade the young first baseman for something your club needs.

See: Matt Garza for Delmon Young. That’s the smart way to draft and build a team. Take the guy you think will reach the Bigs, and when he is closest to a “sure” thing, flip him for another guy in a similar situation.

by xrickx on Jun 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He wasn’t the best pick, though. He was a definite reach.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s a different story.

But the point of my initial rant was Karl Ravech talking about Alexi Ramirez when discussing Gordan Beckham. Is Alexi Ramirez even relevant to this discussion? 0%. And that was the initial point I was making.

by xrickx on Jun 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with that.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

update:
6- Florida: Kyle Skipworth, C, High School
7- Cincinnati: Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami (FL)
8- Chicago (AL): James Beckham, SS, Georgia
9- Washington: Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri
10- Houston: Jason Castro, C, Stanford

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Are you watching on MLB.tv? That pick was delayed for me.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I got the draft tracker from mlb.com going… also on ESPN2

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t know who this is?

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The REAL Jason Castro.

by supermarioelia on Jun 5, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe you would know more about the draft if you weren’t watching Canadian idol or whatever.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Either way, Chuck would be pissed off at me for not studying. Currently reviewing my vaginitis notes though.

by supermarioelia on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We appreciate your updates.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait until I start describing the “whiff test”. It’s pretty much exactly what it sounds like.

by supermarioelia on Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also!

I am hereby describing any Indians strikeout for the rest of the season as a “WHIFF TEST”. You have all been warned.

by supermarioelia on Jun 5, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You should say like this: “and Peralta passes the Whiff Test”

by hans on Jun 5, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

true enough… I have my bar study books open, I figure that counts for something.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Top 10 breakdown:
3 catchers
7 College players vs. 3 High schoolers
8 position players vs. 2 pitchers

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT   0 recs

It’s going to be a college heavy draft.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s three catchers in the top 10. I don’t follow the draft very closely, but that seems extremely unusual.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jun 5, 2008 3:09 PM EDT   0 recs

I was just going to comment on this.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN guys saying that there is a big gap between the top 3 and the rest of the catchers in quality.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Somewhere, Will Hartley quietly seethes.

by mrich on Jun 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Castro was quite a surprise pick. Everything I was reading had him going 20-30.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve gotta say, you guys know a ridiculous amount about this draft. Kudos.

by supermarioelia on Jun 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT   0 recs

I really got into this draft. I’ve never really been interested in the MLB draft but after last year I started looking up information about the players. It’s quite interesting and is about as fun as any of the other drafts for major sports.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It seems like it might be more fun than the other drafts because it’s less oversaturated than the NFL or NBA drafts. (By the time the NFL draft happens, I’m just glad it’s over so people will shut up about it. Then again, I’m not that into pro football.)

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t know much outside a few mock drafts and some scouting reports of the first round projections. Agree with gahnki, it is surprisingly interesting. I first got into it watching the College World Series the last couple years and thought it was interesting to watch the players that would become our prospects that we talk so much about.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

11. Justin Smoak 1B- Rangers

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:12 PM EDT   0 recs

this draft is exrtremely deep in cool baseball names.

by Brick. on Jun 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it’s just cool names period. I really want us to take Josh Fields, a RHP out of Georgia, but he’s such a boring name.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But boring names beget awesome nicknames.

Right? Right?

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FIELDY!

Nope, doesn’t work.

by supermarioelia on Jun 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

there you go again, ruining all the fun.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus with the Sox having Josh Fields in their system, we could easily have Josh Fields pitching to Josh Fields in a couple of years.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Jun 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

as much as i love following prospects, i really have a hard time caring much about the draft when the Indians don’t have a top-5 pick

by APV on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT   1 recs

12. Jemile Weeks 2B Oakland

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT   0 recs

rickie relation?

by Brick. on Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Brothers

by Roger Dorn on Jun 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks both.

by Brick. on Jun 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but not xrickx, that bum.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he sacrificed speed for details. i hope he’s the younger brother by they way otherwise, they’re getting a really old prospect right out of the gate.

by Brick. on Jun 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

rickie = older brother.

by xrickx on Jun 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong thread, but since we’re all here. Chris De La Cruz called up to Buffalo and starting at 2B today, with Barfield sitting out. Stay tuned for news on Asdrubal Cabrera and whether his injury will keep him out.

by xrickx on Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM EDT   0 recs

(dramatic musical sting)

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

interesting. when all is said and done, maybe we will remember this as the year injuries caught up with us. I don’t know.

by DaytonDogg on Jun 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And it would make our organization look even smarter with the depth we’ve accrued.

by gahnki on Jun 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We have been especially healthy in the past.

Hard truth: Your eyes lie.

by AngG on Jun 5, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, an Asdrubal Cabrera “injury” which allows him to spend some rehab time in Buffalo might not be such a terrible thing if it gets him going offensively.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

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