Game Thread: July 1, 2008
Cleveland Indians @ Chicago White Sox
Cleveland at Chicago, 8:11 PM (STO)
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David Huff’s pitching tonight for Buffalo. 2 Ks in the 1st inning for Huff (both swinging). Scranton’s manager, who happens to be Alvaro Espinoza, got ejected following the first.
by APV on
Jul 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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Huff strikes out the side in the 2nd. Two swinging, one looking.
by APV on
Jul 1, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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Huff gets efficient in the 3rd inning and retires the side on 5 pitches
by APV on
Jul 1, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
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So I’m still at work, and the system is still broken!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
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I would like to preemptively request as much commentary as those with radio/tv can give, ‘cause I’m gonna be stuck with only Gameday and this thread tonight.
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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Someone in the White Sox pre-game just said the White Sox fans “are a special breed.” Can’t argue with that.
by RachelAnn on
Jul 1, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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This is the kind of award-winning reporting that will bring the game to life. Kudos!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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one of the most disgraceful moments in “fan” history
by APV on
Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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CF Grady Sizemore
2B Jamey Carroll
LF Ben Francisco
SS Jhonny Peralta
3B Casey Blake
DH Shin-Soo Choo
1B Ryan Garko
C Kelly Shoppach
RF Franklin Gutierrez
by RachelAnn on
Jul 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
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glad to see DH, 1B, and RF occupy 3 of our last 4 lineup spots
by APV on
Jul 1, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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That’s because our infield is so impressive.
by peter m on
Jul 1, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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SS Orlando Cabrera
C A.J. Pierzynski
LF Carlos Quentin
RF Jermaine Dye
DH Jim Thome
3B Joe Crede
1B Nick Swisher
2B Alexei Ramirez
CF Brian Anderson
by RachelAnn on
Jul 1, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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Given yesterday’s thread, win or lose tonight? I’m secretly backing Cliff to win number 12.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on
Jul 1, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
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if we win, it had better be like 8-0. and tomorrow.
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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iSN’T ROOTING AGAINST THE TRIBE IMPLYING YOU HAVE NO FAITH IN SHAP TO KNOW THE TRUE QUALITY OF THIS TEAM?
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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HOORAY LINEUP.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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to elaborate a little, this is the lineup I feel we should always go with when our “big” guys are out with injuries.
whether hafner is any good is another story.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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So i´ve been in mexico for a while now, and although i´ve tried to keep up as much as possible, this lineup makes me a bit queasy. I just can´t believe i´m looking at it. Although i do see that i´m using an accent mark for my apostrophe´s. Not sure where those things are . . .and to think when i left i was telling everyone we would be no more than 2 out by the all star break. I feel sick.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on
Jul 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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... Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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tHERE IS WHEN IT’S POSTED AS “SLANDER”!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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I think my favorite part is the Guillen is clearly looking away while the player, can’t remember who, has his eyes shut.
by NickFantana on
Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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I think that’s Guillen’s son.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jul 1, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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Did I miss thE CAPS MEMO??
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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WORK COMPUTER PROGRAM IS CAPS SENSITIVE AND REQUIRES ALL CAPS. SO, HENCE THE YELLING. SORRY, IT’S THIS GAME ONLY.
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST GO WITH IT AND BE OUTRAGED/ECSTATIC ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!!!
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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NOTHING. END OF THE 1ST. WHY ARE WE YELLING?
by RachelAnn on
Jul 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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So, that make a wish clip was awesome. huh?
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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Can’t watch much, just wanted to check in on a game thread. What’s the zeitgeist around here these days?
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jul 1, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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Just a big discussion about how we anathematize posters who try to act supercilious with their vocabulary.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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waiting for CC to be traded. following prospects and (though not anymore) the Euro Cup.
by Gradyforpresident on
Jul 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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I only got to watch the final, and that on replay late Sunday night after accidentally finding out what happened. Great game, though. I’m sort of glad I knew because I would have been really pissed at Germany for the first 70 minutes otherwise, when they seemed disinterested in playing.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jul 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Casey Double. We have to hand it to him, he is really doing everything he can for this team, maximizing his trade value here at the end
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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CASEY BLAKE IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM GUYS OMG HE’S SO AWESOME!!!! LUV!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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dON’T GET ME STARTED ON HOW STUPID THIS PROGRAM IS. IT’S REALLY STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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I really hope Wedge sits Delluci for awhile and goes with Francisco/Grady/Choo/Gutz combo
by millionairesrow on
Jul 1, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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I am pretty excited for his August and September starts in the bigs
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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Lee
Laffey
Sowers
Parra
Huff
Sounds about right.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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If anything, I will enjoy watching all but one of those starts.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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I’m just talking mid-July.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Ken Williams did well with the Danks trade. Amidst our own struggles, I’ve forgotten why Williams is so widely loathed in the first place. Nevertheless I’m rooting for that Chris Carter guy to become a monster.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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Hawk is annoying.
LGT's resident beer connaisseur.
by LGT Patrick on
Jul 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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WOW THANKS GUYS THAT WAS VERY TOUCHING, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT!
(in all seriousness, being stuck here sucks. Thanks for helping)
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
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Crede is a HOF from both a defensive and offensive standpoint, and to argue would make you a simpleton.
2 on for the Pale Hose. 1 out. Swisher batting.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Swisher’s beard doubles. Umpires rule Swisher must continue at-bat. He walks.
by NickFantana on
Jul 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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Blake and Swisher’s beard have passionate tryst.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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Maybe it’s just one beard, which wouldn’t make it a tryst but…well, you know.
by NickFantana on
Jul 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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It’s really odd how well Thome has hit our lefties this season
by millionairesrow on
Jul 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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I have a confession to make guys. At the beginning of the season, I started to grow my “World Series beard”. I stuck it out for a while, but I think it is time for a change. It is too damn hot out for a beard, and the Indians are losing too much. My face is nice and soft now. I am not gonna say I jinxed the season, but today is the first day of the rest of the season.
LGT's resident beer connaisseur.
by LGT Patrick on
Jul 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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I did that in September of 2007.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
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I feel like I jumped the gun by starting in March.
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by LGT Patrick on
Jul 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
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Also, Brad Snyder (in play, run[s])ed just now. Updates as they come.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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from the verb ‘to in play, run(s)’, which i believe comes from greek…
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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THAT DOESN’T SEEM AS BAD AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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OMG I JUST LOOKED AT DAVID HUFF’S MINOR LEAGUE NUMBERS AND HE IS AMAZING
by Gradyforpresident on
Jul 1, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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For the caps lock, I mean.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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IF YOU TYPE IN CAPS YOU HAVE TO HELP ME WORK
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT?
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM STOP BEING DIFFICULT!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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I WILL FORCE THE ISSUE
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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GO THROUGH THE ORDERS AND PICKED OUT ALL THE DUPLICATES
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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I LIKE HOW YOU USED PAST TENSE TO LET ME KNOW I ALREADY DID MY JOB. which means i can use caps
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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YES IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO USE PROPER GRAMMER IN ALL CAPS. YOU FAILED AT YOUR JOB, BTW, I FOUND ANOTHER DUP
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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I hate the Damron family, and I hate Kennywood
by millionairesrow on
Jul 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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ME TOO
The 2008 Cleveland Indians: Home of the Triple Steal, Unassisted Triple Play, and not a heck of a lot more.
by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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I think Gutz needs to step into his swing a little more. Looks like he just opens his hips without letting his legs generate any power
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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It would help if he actually swung at strikes—hard to be effective when you’ve taken two strikes (same for Grady).
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Jul 1, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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Yeah, I’d like to see the team as a whole be more aggressive early in counts, especially when the pitch is a fastball. I am just pointing out what I perceive to be an issue with some of Frank’s swings
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Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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No argument. It’s hard to know where to start with this offense.
by peter m on
Jul 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
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Flocks of them?
I ran so far away…
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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FLOCKS…SINGLE GULLS…..WHATEVER…..I JUST DIG THEM
by NickFantana on
Jul 1, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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oooh now that is stuck in my head. Not cool.
by RachelAnn on
Jul 1, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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Remember when Dave Winfield hit one with a baseball in Toronto? That was the weirdest situation I’ve ever seen—they were going to arrest him!
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Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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WHY WOULD A SCHOOL REFAX AN ORDER FROM MARCH IN AGAIN TODAY AND MAKE ME WASTE TIME REALIZING THIS AND CANCELLING IT?
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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I WORKED FOR A SCHOOL SUPPLY COMPANY TOO, WHAT’S THE NAME OF YOUR COMPANY?
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Jul 1, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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IT’S A SUMMER JOB TO PAY FOR SCHOO.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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NOW YOU HAVE TO TELL ME THE NAME OF YOURS
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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DUDE I WORKED THERE A FEW YEARS AGO FOR THREE SUMMERS IN A ROW I WORKED AT THE ONE IN MANSFIELD
by NickFantana on
Jul 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT
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That’s where I’m working now! Crazy!
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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David Huff has given up a 2-run homer. The dream is over. Lake County awaits.
8 Ks through 5.1.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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Although really, his last three batters have been walk, home run, single.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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Speaking of Lake County, I am heading out to catch a game there in a week and a half, on Mandays, it is $1 dog/$1 beer night
by millionairesrow on
Jul 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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is Man Town where that picture of Ozzie from above was taken?
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Jul 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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In my head, I can’t decide the persona of Man Town.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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Still haven’t made it to a game out there yet. I’m really mad at myself.
Maybe Rosario’s debut.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
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I’ve been waiting for an Indians off day and a home Monday game to get out there this year, Indians are off on the 14th, so it’s time for me to go and try to get drunk off the 10 oz. beers and full off the undercooked hotdogs
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Jul 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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K
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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9 Ks through 6 for Huff. Is he on a specific pitch count? Because he’s at 88.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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see Tribe, that’s how defense is played. back to back examples.
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Jul 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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Quentin nice catch, Crede diving stop, Crede diving stop.
3 outs.
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Jul 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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make that b2b2b
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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5 pitches? Come on. Make him work.
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Jul 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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He’s throwing strike one, strike two. Taking pitches for no particular reason isn’t effective against a guy like that. What they need to do is have an idea—what’s he throwing, where can you hit it. The Indians seem to have a team full of hitters who have no ability to think along with the pitchers they face.
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Jul 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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Although, in fairness, some of those outs were hit solidly enough. I’m talking more generally about the Indians’ hitting over the whole year.
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Jul 1, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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An honest question: is a hard hit ball hit right at somebody any better than any other out? Wedge seems to harp on this constantly like it’s a given, but it really doesn’t make complete sense to me
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Jul 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT
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In the box score, no. But bad luck is certainly better than no talent. Bad luck can change.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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There’s the “hitting in bad luck” argument—eventually, so the argument goes, some of those will fall in or find holes over the course of the season. Statistically, that does seem to be true, but it doesn’t make it any more fun to watch when you’re looking at them hit balls right at people.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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I HAVE DECIDED 12 HOURS TODAY IS ENOUGH. IF YOU SEE ME AGAIN TONIGHT IT WILL BE WITHOUT CAPS, MOSTLY
by Voltaire on
Jul 1, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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I think that was Blake’s ball.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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fire not accepting free outs
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Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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Just made it in tonight ladies and gents…Yay for Huff. Boo for Sowers last night. And nice miss by Shoppach .
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Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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Blake should have taken it.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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Shh. A rival GM may be reading this.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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I WAS REFERRING TO JAMES BLAKE EARLIER
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Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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Do teams playing ..446 baseball have rivals?
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Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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Everyone is out to get us.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
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Blake is a lousy third baseman. He’s a useful player, if he use him right—play several positions, all that stuff. If the Indians stop pretending he’s Mike Schmidt they’ll get more value out of him.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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what does “PFX” tell us on gameday? i know that’s not a new thing, but haven’t every really paid much attention
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Jul 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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Was just going to post that. Get the guy to Buffalo already. Jason Tyner will understand.
Or, trade him now while somebody likes him.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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Stephen Head is 3-4 with two doubles and a HR
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Jul 1, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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Oh well. I guess I should have looked it up.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
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Chisenhall has been getting his knocks the last few nights.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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I tried that out as a Halloween costume this past year…it didn’t work out so well
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Jul 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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Hahaha
I don’t actually think that, I was just amused by the Minors thread
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Jul 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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Can I be the Sizemore Apologist?
My job is pretty cushy.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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Sure, I am definitely a Jhonny apologist, just maybe not THE Jhonny apologist
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Jul 1, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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If Crowe keeps hitting, maybe he’s athletic enough to fill an organizational need, transition to the infield, and play second base?
Wait a minute…
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Jul 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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But Rick Manning just commended him for not wanting to take a walk. You must be wrong, sir.
Steel Nick
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Jul 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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Since Blake typically takes the first three or four pitches, this discussion is surreal!
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Jul 1, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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I’m sorry to not be privy to Manning’s wisdom, but I’m working with Hawk tonight.
He gone.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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Why, exactly, does Crappey Blake have the green light on 3-0?
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Jul 1, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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Choo interrupts the tedium with a hit. But, Garko restores order.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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Choo, by the way, gets a hit off a lefty, previously thought to be a physical impossibility.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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All I’m asking for these next two weeks are:
1) No injury to Blake, with him at least treading water. A walkoff homerun or 7-RBI Sportscenter-esque moment would be nice.
2) Byrd to pitch 6 innings and give up 3 runs or less in each of his next two starts.
3) Sabathia to not let the door hit him on the way out.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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This is not a team that can get picked off. There are limits to my sympathy.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
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That sounds like the Indians’ new marketing campaign.
by sorrento to cooperstown on
Jul 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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Chacon went to far. No pity there, obviously.
You know the message. Even if they’re overrated, any lapse of fundamentals-a “little thing” screwed up-by a poor team is deeply troubling. It’s not that I hate Choo because he gets picked off, but should we lose 1-nil this one’s on us.
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Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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So if this is a 1-0 loss does that FRUSTRATE Shapiro into clarity?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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Actually, this is his Blueprint to Frustration.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jul 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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I’m with you. This is too dull to be tolerated any further. Gutierrez will suddenly rediscover his swing and we’re off!
by peter m on
Jul 1, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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Shoppach! Yard work!
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on
Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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Are my eyes deceiving me? A run? Can it be?
by peter m on
Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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Kelly could hit 25 home runs given regular playing time over a whole season
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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eh…
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by LGT Patrick on
Jul 1, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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he’s a future hall of famer
by sorrento to cooperstown on
Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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Yes, and strikeout 200 times and hit .230.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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He’d be like Adam Dunn!
... except with 15 less home runs and .100 points less of OBP.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT
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ShopVac > doubly-injured Victor
by JulioBernazard on
Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
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The CHW radio guys said that ShopVac glared at the ump at home at the end of his trot. Is that true?
by JulioBernazard on
Jul 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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The video is up on MLB. I didn’t see any glaring.
by RachelAnn on
Jul 1, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
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Grady got “picked off” on a missed balk call plus jamey carroll punchout
by joeee on
Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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AJ is 11/ 68 in throwing guys out. They know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. Still, there’s a runner’s advantage and we screwed up.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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I’m no expert on balk calls – remember an ump in pony league who got fired for leaning heavily on it – but if you’re on the rubber and step toward home plate, you have to deliver.
by joeee on
Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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They always reference a 45 degree plane that your leg can’t cross otherwise, you have to go home with it
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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Just the shear fact of Wedge getting pissed is QED
by joeee on
Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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Hard to tell after seeing the 1 replay
by millionairesrow on
Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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random observation: Best AL pitcher nobody talks about: Scott Baker.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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I will counter with Duchscherer
by millionairesrow on
Jul 1, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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Duchscherer’s not real. Baker is Brad Radke II.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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But I will agree that Duch has been unbelievable this year. So unbelievable, I’m not a believer.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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I’m a little torn. Baker strikes out more guys, but the Duke has pitched 20 more innings. Baker walks less, but Duke gives up less home runs and gets more GBs. Baker has a .293 BABIP, Duke a .230.
I would add Garza into the conversation but I’m not sure he competes with these numbers.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Needs to surpress the HR, but he’s damn good.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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I’m torn on Huff. He’s been a groundball pitcher this year. I hope he’s more Laffey than Sowers.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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WAY TO GO CLIFTON
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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I hope 2008 Clifton is the Clifton we’ll see the next two seasons in Cleveland, if not more, and that he’s not having his Esteban Loaiza year.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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ugh… why’d you have to say that dude? hadn’t even thought of that comparison.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Dye is hilarious. Remember that chick who he kept teasing at the Prog last year? Hilarious.
by joeee on
Jul 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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Forgot about that. He went above and beyond the call of duty in getting that pretty girl a souvenir.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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Crede is a machine
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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Peralta back to sucking
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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His OBP was over .300 to start the night? That just tickles my fancy.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Value Increasing Exponentially!
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Gameday shows Danks as having lost 5-6 mph on his FB by this point
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Which makes him Barry Zito. And we know how that turned out.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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Well at least we can count on Casey Blake, right?
by joeee on
Jul 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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anyone think the twins woulda taken Gutz for Garza?
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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now that’s a trade i would have made. even if we wouldn’t have had an OF this year.
by Gradyforpresident on
Jul 1, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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Nearly, but I doubt it. Gutz & Sowers might’ve done it.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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oh shit.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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other than sowers sucks and garza is looking like an ace?
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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It wouldn’t have been sensible to swap out advanced pitching prospects,
and out rotation was pretty full to start the year.
Truthfully, I’m talking out my arse on the above guess. Just a fantasy.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Not that nearly at all, the more I think about it. That was all about upside, or something.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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Sowers after 2006 would have been soooo risky for the FO, but I guess they should have looked at Zack Duke from a year ealier and said, “Yea, that’s probably what’s going to happen” and act accordingly. But that’s hindsight as well.
And I’m not suggesting Sowers won’t be useful. But he’s not Jamie Moyer, and he’s not pitching in Safeco.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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The Garza deal was this past offseason. It’s kind of crazy to trade highly advanced pitching prospects.
That’s why the Hamilton / Volquez deal is so odd. I am not sure who won it, but I think I credit the Reds there.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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I don’t. Hamilton’s RBI total is insane.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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he’s so far ahead of everyone else that you can’t look at RBI as worthless in his case.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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No you can’t. But it’s extremely incidental. There are guys on base when he gets hits. He has nothing to do with that.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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he’s really encouraging in the on-deck circle…
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 1, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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Yeah. I’m definitely going with Volquez, both for this season and in the long run.
Imagine Danks & Volquez in Texas. They screwed up.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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and Chris Young.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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I think Hamilton’s going to keep this up, so it’s close… but mostly because of the injury risk in pitchers. Assuming no injuries, it’s not even a contest between Hamilton and Edison.
by jhon on
Jul 1, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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Volquez is two years younger. He gets a K in 26% of PAs and has GB rate of 52%.
Josh Hamilton, while amazing, has not put up an OBP past .370 in this year or last. He does play great D though.
I would say neither team lost, but I like Volquez a bit more than Hamilton.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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No way. Going into this year, it Delmon was stories above Gutz on most people’s list.
The +Sowers is intriguing.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Justin’s pitch count got outta hand again.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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So goes the way of young pitchers. All the more reason to marvel at what Fausto stepped in and did last year.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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so, the FO is being extra super careful w/ Fausto at this point, right? i mean, how bad can a hip really be? if we’re in the thick of a division race, isn’t he back already?
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 1, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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Maybe, but this is the kind of non-arm injury Fausto probably benefits from this year by keeping his innings down.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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no question. i think it’s a great move…keep his stressful innings down after a really high count last year, let him get his body fully healed before throwing him back out there. i’m just thinking that the only options are a.) extra rest, b.) bo jackson, and i’m hoping like hell for a.)
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 1, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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At least Joey G didn’t let him get up near 120 again. Hilariously bad managing
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Eh…it was a blowout. Not stressful. But still, I’d be more careful. He’s 22.
by xrickx on
Jul 1, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t let Joba sniff 100 pitches in a game this year if I were coaching, I don’t care if it’s 20-0
by Roger Dorn on
Jul 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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it it was 20-0, he’d be out after 60 pitches.
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by westbrook on
Jul 1, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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I watched the 3rd inning, and all of that damage in his PC (the walks and such) must have happened early. He gave up a leadoff “single” to Young (Young bounces it in front of home plate, Posada bounces it past Giambi). With Young moving to second on the E, they pitch around Hamilton on 4 pitches. He then strikes out the next two batters swinging, one of whom was Milton Bradley (having a better year than Hamilton). Then I think the next batter flew out.
A pretty impressive inning from Justin, actually.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 1, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Hawk almost coaxed that ball outta here
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Jul 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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it’s really neck-and-neck whom i hate more…hawk or dellucci
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Jul 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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