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Game Thread: July 11, 2008

Tampa Bay Rays at Cleveland Indians, Jul 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT


Tampa Bay at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)

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For the record, I had my 2 pics ready to come in here with once i saw the lineup. of course, someone beat me to it.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

is Gutz on the roster? why the hell is Dellucci playing

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

shhhh. He’s concentrating on his Dominos

by jhon on Jul 11, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

even in this lost season, i think i die a little inside every time Dellucci suits up.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s ridiculous. we need to know if gutz will ever hit enough to be a starter. dellucci is bait.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the guy is worse than bait…he’s chum. dump him out of the boat, he stinks

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s going to be no one here is there

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

wow those didn’t work too well

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

figures. i missed it.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see Tampa take the East as much as the next guy-I fume inside just thinking about the Red Sox, but I’ll voice a little secret: Tampa’s lineup-outside of the young Longoria and to a lesser extent Pena—really stinks. They have the pitching but not the bats to hold down the Red Sox all season. Winning the wildcard would be a stunning overachievement.

And in several hours the Tribe will have beaten them again.

by jhon on Jul 11, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets Go Tribe

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Allright, go Tribe. Go Cliff. Cheers.

by jhon on Jul 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

let’s have another great start, Kkkliff.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow I’m slow on the KKKliff…I just got it and I am stone cold sober.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 11, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

ichiro is being paid 17 million? wow the mariners are dumb

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I always thought that Ichiro would look nice leading off for the Tribe and playing right field until he made that stupid comment about Cleveland last year.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 11, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that and he just doesn’t care that much about trying hard at baseball

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares? Effort is hardly the equal of talent.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 12, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talent without effort is useless.

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by mauichuck on Jul 12, 2008 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was this comment ironic?

by Jay on Jul 12, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it sort of was. My main point is that a talented player can still be effective without a supreme effort. A player who puts forth supreme effort but has little talent will be deifid by the media and essentially useless on the field.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 12, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is tremendously wrong or at least vastly over-simplified. You’re talking about appearing to make an effort on an individual play. That is only a tiny amount of the effort that goes into being a ballplayer.

What appears to the naked eye to be “talent” is very often the product of an immense amount of effort, honed over many years. If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’s that the top raw talents do not in fact rise to the top of the game, but rather only those who devote themselves tirelessly to making the most of their talent.

by Jay on Jul 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

My argument is that players who rely simply on effort will never, ever make the impact of a more talented player who does not exrt as much effort on a given play. That is vastly over-simplified but, in the day of ESPN, isn’t everything?

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 17, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of a pointless argument.

There is no “purely on effort” because there’s nobody who’s totally lacking in talent.

How much talent does it take to make up for X amount of less effort? Quite a bit more than most assume.

by Jay on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we are discussing different effort here. You would point to Manny and say that he gives a tremendous amount of effort to get where he is. (And he does). I would say that Manny’s talent enables him to not have to xert himself on day by day basis on the scale that someone like John McDonald has to, just to keep a job.

But yes, this is pretty pointless.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 18, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I would say, Manny reportedly has worked on his hitting as much as or more than any other ballplayer alive — and you have no way of separating his talent from his work with your naked eye.

You think you’re seeing talent, but in reality, you have absolutely no idea.

by Jay on Jul 19, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are missing the point here. I am saying that Manny (just for example) does not have to exert, from game to game, the sort of effort of a John McDonald or Jody Gerut. I know that Manny works extremely hard on his hitting (you can read that anywhere)but what he does not have to do is constantly grind the way players with lesser talent do.

The original argument here was that Ichiro was not worth consideration because he didn’t seem to care enough to try hard. Whatever that means. I say it does not matter if he looks like he tries hard or not, his talent transcends his supposed alck o effort.

You think you are seeing the product of years and years of effort, but in reality, you have no idea.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 20, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not missing the point, the point is ridiculous. The significant grinding effort doesn’t happen during each game, it happens before each game and in the offseason. Players take 5-10 times as many swings in the cages and in batting practice as they’ll take in the actual game.

During the actual game, the at-bats are relatively brief, and if you somehow think that Manny is exerting or focusing less for those 4-5 encounters of 90 seconds in each game … well, that’s just nuts. If he wasn’t focused and exerting, he couldn’t do anything at the plate. Nobody could.

by Jay on Jul 22, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

pena is hitting 4th? why

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

oh my god the Rays are last in the league in doubles? casey blake could hit 5th for them. (longoria should be hitting 4th)

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that a good inning? I think that was a good inning.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

24 pitches isn’t awesome, but 3 K’s is pretty cool.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jhonny

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Those shadows must be screwing with the Rays .. they look lost out there.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

i personally guarantee that the indians will pick up the remainder of casey blake’s salary if they trade him

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s going to the Mets to pick up for Alou and the Mets are gonna estatic to have him.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casey swung at ball 4 twice there. :/

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly what I was going to post. He’ll swing at ball four, but he’ll take a called third strike with the best of them.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that sounded like (reading gameday) a very ben francisco/victor martinez – esque weak pop to an infielder w/ RISP. someone else can know our pain

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m here only for a couple of minutes. Casey, btw, is now in the top 30 in OPS for eligible AL batters. Grady is our only other player in that group (#8). Casey has been a decent offensive contributor this season and now that Garko sucks he’ s not even blocking Marte. Could we lay off him just a little? (ducks).

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 11, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m with you. i’ve been saying for a couple of weeks that blake is our most valuable offensive player…clearly that is actually grady, but is there even a close competitor to casey right now? please, be sure to factor in the beard/grit

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been beginning to feel this way over the last 10 days or so.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

BAD D!

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Any news on Sexson?

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 11, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea. Even though he’s currently not on a roster, he still managed to go 0-4 today with 3Ks.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

0-2 Clifford….bring it back now.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

how’d we get our 1? forgot to set up the DVR. too lazy to find a box/cast

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

BenFran infield single off the glove of Longoria…tough hop back-hander that he couldn’t pick. Jhonny took a low curveball to RF, Gomes misjudged it, and they called it a double. Run Scored

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it me or has jhonny been in one of his good inconsistent stretches?

he’s going to end the year with solid numbers. i think he’s consistent, just in his own way.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fausto’s set for a rehab assignment. Ginter to get the start tomorrow. Somebody has to be moved off the 40. Mastny? Maybe try and slip Bullington through waives? Brad Snyder?

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

my mood will elevate just by getting to see fausto throw every 5th. get drubs up here and i’m a content camper – all things considered. i love those kids.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

dellucci! (crosses fingers)

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slocum hopefully

by ASP on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we got one run huh? That’s all the Cliffenator needs. It’s over, chalk this up as another win.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

fuck that. you can erase chalk. use a magic marker.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben keeps hitting. Good stuff.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

he says “TAKE THAT” to the league adjusting to him. we need more of that.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

francisco runs kinda sideways like a taunting phillips. i don’t think i like it.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

that was a terrible call by hegan

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

It must be a bad angle for them to see. Underwood botched a similar homerun last night (Choo).

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locked in. How can a guy who can drive that pitch that far struggle as much as he has this season?

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

‘tis the mystery of Jhonny Peralta.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be really happy to sell on Jhonny at this point, if someone just looked at his power.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think your crazy. He’s still a keeper.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m with you. keep jhonny in the fold

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’d have to be the right mix of players. I’m not opposed to it. I like a 30HR shortstop, but a .300OBP is just not cool. I don’t think he’s a .300OBP hitter. I do think he can be a 30HR guy, though. He just has to want to hit it to RF every at-bat, like Jeter.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

you go to hell. you go to hell and you die. leave my jhonny alone!

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peralta is worth more to us than to anyone else, IMO.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers have the right mix of players to make Jhonny very valuable to them too.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody, off the top of their head, what’s his OBP right now?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is weird to wonder where the hell his walk rate went

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it got jammed in Travis Hafner’s shoulder.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if his walk rate is disappearing and the Dodgers have a hard-on for his SLG then why not?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if we trade him, who the hell is going to play 2B

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any number of our players that can hit 25-30 homers a year. They grow on trees in our minor system.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh this is sarcasm … dear god I almost took the bait

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

brantley/green…obviously

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

good value. all i’m saying is if you can get a team excited about him and get equal or better value then do it. he’s not going to be a core piece.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if he’s not a core piece, it doesn’t mean we should trade him

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t said we necessarily need to trade him. Not even close.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok let’s take a step back. i didn’t mean to imply that

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. I just want to be clear that I’m not cavalierly begging for the Tribe to start chucking talent.

I just think he’s the kind of guy you can move, for a few valuable prospects, and move forward with Cabrera at SS, find a 2B for next year and make the team stronger.

IF THE RIGHT DEAL CAN BE FOUND

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the same arguement I would get into before the 08 season. Everyone wanted to shift Peralta to 3b (or ship him out) and I said “Droobs hasn’t proven himself yet”.

He still hasn’t.

So you would go into 09 with two question marks in two positions. That a recipie for disaster.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I change “find a 2B” to “sign Orlando Hudson” does that make it any better?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isn’t crazy…but droobs needs to find the magic at the plate, and the key is the last night…need a solid deal. i guess, though, you could say that about just about anyone on the roster.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christ, Shapiro spends six – seven years building towards contention and you guys wanna trade everybody – cept Grady – in one season. Amazing!!

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your humor is so subtle.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hu (SS), McDonald (RHP), and Kuo (LHP)

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the dodgers are offering that package? i find that doubtful

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has there been ANY mention of a Peralta deal? Considering Jhonny’s contract, I think it’s reasonable to expect three prospects. Look what Bedard and Miguel Tejada fetched this offseason.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait hu doesn’t impress me that much

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s had a blurry vision problem this season that has him disabled right now. It explains his offensive nothingness this year. I don’t know if the issue has been or is being resolved.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of his numbers impress me

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also widely regarded as above-average to gold-glove caliber at SS.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought hu’s on first…..HIII OHHH! and what’s the deal with airplane food…

seriously, i’m here all week

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

fly lufthansa and you won’t complain about airline food. or the free alcohol.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i should say, free, unlimited alcohol.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

so they cut you off after two “emergency” bags?

is there a LAX to CLE direct on lufthansa?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had 5 beers quick like on my 8 hour flight (munich-chicago). and the guy was still asking me if i wanted liquor or wine.

after that i just went to bed

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never beat Aloha from Johnston Island to Hono. In two hours I could chug 8-9 shots and half a dozen beers – no charge!!

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

chuck is so manly he chugs shots!

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think he adds water to achieve the chug effect?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Boon Aussie cricketer holds the record on a flight between Australia and London, 50 cans of beer

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

and certainly not his 2007 numbers, but have you checked out the guy’s career numbers?

A defensive difference-maker who can hit a bit? Sounds like some guy named Asdrubal that I know.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my way not-so-clear way of saying “No, the Dodgers aren’t offering that.” But an AAA shortstop, and AA starting pitcher, and a MLB reliever iaren’t untouchable pieces. I didn’t mean to suggest that as a package. Just as players with value the Indians might like. I think the Indians could get two of those guys for Peralta.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not being clear. At least two of those guys in a package of three.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kicker is that Jhonny is 26 and probably entering the best offensive years of his career. There really might be a special bat in there. He’s about to get expensive on Cleveland, but I think he can hit enough to justify it.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing for me is Jhonny JUST turned 26. The guy could actually still hit for more power in his next few years. That would be awesome.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i was gonna say that good point

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a long list of guys who add power after they turn 26 that I’m not aware of?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, that’s a valid point.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah JHonny

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t care if grey goose is the world’s best tasting vodka. it’s still vodka. gah.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

sweet sweet grey goose…eases the pain

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Popov Vodka- usta sell it for $1.75 a fifth on Johnston Island. After the first fifth or two, you could hardly taste it.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just stopped by to say JHONNY!!!! (I know I’m a little late)

Please don’t trade him. He’s good. After all defense isn’t THAT important at shortstop. Just ask the Yankees.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 11, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

god i can’t wait to go get a burger and beers

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Is he pulling a wagonload of wood when he runs the bases?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Dellucci doubles and Marte pops out. Oh, you cruel, cruel world.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i wouldn’t drink for 6 months if andy marte hit .265/335/.475 next year

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

gotta jet. go tribe. triple and single for jhonny…here comes the cycle.

by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Ladies and gentlemen – Cliff Fucking Lee!!

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

ooooooooooooo mommy – the old man swore

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

but yea, I was gonna post something similar.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carl Crawford is still trying to figure out if that was a slider or a four seamer!

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should trade for him! he steals bases and is fast! and then we could make grady our 3-hitter!

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, we don’t have anybody that the Rays would want.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

satire. carl crawford is way overrated

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean make Grady our 2-hitter.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

we’re going to get a lot of mileage out of that one.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew you’d like that.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another great game for Cliff. Do Cy Young pitchers come from last place teams?

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

only 1 pitcher in ML history has won 20 on a team that lost 100

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lefty

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hammy:
“Gomes is a detriment in right field”

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

“Detriments, are we? Detriments? Well, it’s detriments like us who built this empire!”

by fleerdon on Jul 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANOTHER RUN!

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s Ben doing? He’s going to get himself traded.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

While we’re talking about trading guys in the right deal, if some team wants Ben Francisco to start in Left Field for them, please, let’s make them happy.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

as long as we’re talking deals…lets send dellucci out for a large thin crust from geraci’s

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would really like to peak value him away right now. isn’t he older than jhonny?

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s older than Paul Byrd. Trade him yesterday.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benfran

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

C.C. was a big fat anchor holding this team down.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m actually surprised i typed the fat. just sort a came out.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that sentence construct lends itself to double adjectives. it’s not you, it’s the grammar convention.

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that and the afternoon coffee.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

BenFran must think it’s May again.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 11, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

this team is fun to watch when they play baseball.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Cliff at 86 pitches already? Ugh.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

2:1 strikes to balls tho

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now I’m in Pine Bluff Arkansas, home of the Upton brothers, Torii Hunter. Cliff’s from Brenton, right down the road. Rick Ankiel from somewhere around here too. Pretty amazing.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

What kind of deadly chemical do they make down there?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

VX, GB (soman) and Mustard – the usual. They don’t make them anymore, but they do incenerate them. We’re down to just mustard now. Should be all gone by 2011.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you watch “The Rock” and pretend you’re Nicholas Cage?

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually ConAir is on right now. The Rock was laughable. Blue nerve agent in little clear plastic balls. Acually the stuff looks like motor oil and tastes like chlorox,

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

woah, you taste it?

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just fuckin’ with you Brick

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i thought it was possible. in “The Rock” the stuff really becomes dangerous when it is rendered as an aerosol.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you explain why we ever thought it was a good idea to make all that shit?

by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the evil doers, man. the evil doers

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a very good tactical weapon, after all if you can deliver chemicals you can deliver HE. It’s good for an area denial weapon, kinda like mines, but not much good against well protected troops. It slows everybody down – since ya gotta wear the protective gear. Your troops included.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

impressive.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff’s got heat tonight.

by fleerdon on Jul 11, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Andy Marte = smooth operator

by fleerdon on Jul 11, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Jhonny batting .304, .922 OPS from the 4 hole before tonight. That should go up a bit.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh, Dave. That AB was weaker than Analyze That.

by fleerdon on Jul 11, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

mission accomplished. now do cliff

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s tough. He kind of looks like a 1960s Ian McKellen. I don’t think I’d say that to his face.

by fleerdon on Jul 11, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marte partay has been called off tonight.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope we see Gary Glover one more time this series.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I was gonna do BenFran with this shot, but couldn’t find one.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

ha, that’s not far off.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 run differential on the year. Whooooo!

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that guy trying to make a right angle with his fingers?

by supermarioelia on Jul 11, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey we’re winning again!

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Sometimes it looks like Eddie Moo has no idea where his pitch will end up.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

makes it that much tougher for the hitters to know then

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 outs away from a win streak! A streak .. with winning involved!

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry, you’re going to have to explain that some more for me…

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone got a quick rundown of tonight’s contest?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

lots of doubles. a jhonny HR. cliff was cliff, perez was cliff and mujica struck out a guy.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be doing the recaps around here Brick.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the lack of caps and frequency of typos and bad spelling don’t lend themselves to the front page.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i suppose not.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

www.cleveland.com

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 12, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

more magic from clifton the magnificent; hot bats from peralta and francisco; raffy p showed up out of nowhere for 2 innings of shutdown. that pretty much does it

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many games in a row has Marte started?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

how long you think that guy had the take-both-shoes-off-and-spike-them routine in the back pocket?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just like that his name is Kash Beauchamp. That’s a virtual preordained license to be an asshole.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the best real name i’ve heard since “hunt ramsbottom”...i’m serious, met him like a month ago. i was in awe

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to HS with Rocco Marcoguseppi. Kinda like Rosanne Rosannadana

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a good name.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

went to college with a Beauchamp. We called him Pimp Daddy Beauchamp.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s shocking. there’s still a field with that kind astroturf out there? is that where the shockers play?

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’d say he’s getting plastered right now.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baserunner alert.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Dullucci is hitting again. And another small piece of me has died.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Dellucci is a zombie. He refuses to die.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m shocked he didn’t get on base

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

is there a “concede” feature in major league at bats these days? i would feel much better about using that than letting dellucci see any pitches

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

let’s go Marte. Pound it.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Sipp strikes out 3 in two innings for Kinston, Huff K’s 5 in 5 for Buffalo.

by bewwolv on Jul 11, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

LaPorta: 1/5, HR, 3 RBI
Green: 0/4
Brantley: DNP
Bryson: DNP

by FredOx on Jul 11, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone with the game on, what are these marte swings/ABs looking like ?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

His last AB he was a little pull happy. Crushed one foul, weakly tapped one foul (that was pitched on the outside), then got handcuffed on an inside pitch and struck out.

Flipped his bat down in disgust.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

were we lead to believe that he had good plate discipline? too lazy to look up the minor league stats on a friday evening, but i feel like he’s never walked in the bigs, and strikes out A LOT

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He works the count well, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him take 2-0. I don’t think he’s thinking walk, but he’s not swinging wildly either. I think he tries to get into a hitter’s count and then look for something he can drive.

by peter m on Jul 11, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he’s had a 2-0 count 61 times, and he’s had a 3-0 count only 10 times. That tells us he’s taken at least 10 times in that situation, but it’s hard to say how many — we don’t have the data for how many of his 2-1 counts came from a called strike on the third pitch.

Andy apparently seems to do well when he hits the ball fair on 2-0 — 6-for-17 with two 2B and 1 HR, slugging .657. But his OPS is only 801 for all PA in which he got to 2-0 — 10 strikeouts and only 11 walks — and that’s not great.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just going on the AB’s I’d seen, so this is much more informative. I think the OPS data are the most important ones. I remember checking on Garko’s numbers in “hitter’s counts” earlier in the season, and his results were worse.

by peter m on Jul 12, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

307 BB, 603 Ks in 704 G.

by FredOx on Jul 11, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marte got out in front of one … no luck for him.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Who’s pitching?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Eddie Moo again.

I guess we are saving Koybayashi for the closers role now?

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My boyz just called me from the Jake. There in row H right behind the Indians dugout – drunk on their asses. I’m jealous.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

and proud, no doubt.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they were true working class “boyz” they’d be drunk OFF their asses.

by NickFantana on Jul 14, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mastny could use some work.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

aren’t mastny situations turning into the diametrical opposite of save situations? like mastny should only pitch when we’re up 11 runs in the 9th and have no chance of losing?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

diametrical? i believe i also mean diametric…

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

his non-use has become epic. winning, losing. it doesn’t matter.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

winning, losing. it doesn’t matter

Is that a quote from my favorite moviem “Conan the Barbarian”?

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

can’t say, never seen it. if it is, it was by accident.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brick has seen Conan the Librarian, but not Conan the Barbarian.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great flick. It makes Citizen Kane seem like Istar.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok Eric .. lets get someone up in the pen.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Marte refusing to dive into the camera bay to catch a ball. Tsk tsk.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

when is eddie moo going to get recognized for his fielding.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

shortly after his ERA cruises in under 5

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had visions of Bob WIckman out there.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh, I’m getting time machined here.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

z

I bet Cliff’s gonna start the ASG for the AL

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t see why not.

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn’t that already a done deal?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, just some assholes from NYC speculating in the press.

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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were saying on WFAN the other day that Mariano Rivera was going to start and pitch one inning.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 11, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Tigers radio crew was saying that too the other night, which they concluded would be “stupid.” Dibble said the same thing on XM175 yesterday.

by FredOx on Jul 11, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last All Star Game in Yankees Stadium? And Phifer starts? No way! People will be wailing in the streets if Mo doesn’t get his due.

by odradek on Jul 12, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ballgame, a streak

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

doesn’t it need to be three to be a streak?

by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, 2 game win streak. Let’s start drinking!

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, when had we stopped?

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 12, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is great! What a feeling! We are going to sweep these guys!!

Just wait until tomorrow when Gint…. aw shit.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

how many starts do we think cliff has left? not that it makes any difference, but it’d be cool to see a whole assload of wins out of him, which of course make a huge difference in post-season awards…a small silver lining to the year

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Fewer wins would fit in Cliff’s ass than in CC’s.

by FredOx on Jul 11, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last two games have been a blast. I know the Rays are slumping pretty hard but hopefully our guys can go out there like this every night and just have fun and compete.

and did anyone mention LaPorta hitting his first home run as a member of the Cleveland Indians’ system? I’m sure someone did but it’s just exciting.

by ahowie on Jul 11, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s great news.

It was a go-ahead 2 run homer in the 9th. Niiice.

by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 RBIs on the night with a Blakean run-scoring groundout.

by FredOx on Jul 11, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love winning and all, but when do we start thinking about limiting Perez’s innings?

by supermarioelia on Jul 11, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wedge won’t stop pushing the Perez button until it’s broken.

by odradek on Jul 12, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Over/under on the Perez button breaking?

by bewwolv on Jul 12, 2008 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

let’s go, fucking tribe

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 12, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

After the game, it was announced that Slocum was being demoted to make room for Matt Ginter on the Indians 25-man roster.

Not sure on the 40-man roster move. Could somebody such as Elarton be moved from the 15-day to 60-day DL?

by palcal on Jul 12, 2008 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Elarton, Miller, Hafner.

by Jay on Jul 12, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the winner is …. Elarton.

by peter m on Jul 12, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was at the game last night – my boss and this other contractor we work with. They bought dinner and everything at the winking lizard before hand. Our seats sucked – nose bleeds on the first base side – but the game was awesome, Lee is a beast, and Peralta truly is an XBH machine. I had to do a lot of rumor control, such as “no we actually shouldn’t have signed Kenny,” “no, Marte might not suck,” and of course, “slugging-percentage matters.”

by joeee on Jul 12, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Well done. Did you get any wage leverage out of the boss men?

by jhon on Jul 12, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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