Game Thread: July 11, 2008
by Ryan
on Jul 11, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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Tampa Bay @ Cleveland
Tampa Bay at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)
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For the record, I had my 2 pics ready to come in here with once i saw the lineup. of course, someone beat me to it.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on
Jul 11, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT 0 recs
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Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 6:49 PM EDT 0 recs
is Gutz on the roster? why the hell is Dellucci playing
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT 0 recs
even in this lost season, i think i die a little inside every time Dellucci suits up.
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 11, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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it’s ridiculous. we need to know if gutz will ever hit enough to be a starter. dellucci is bait.
by Gradyforpresident on
Jul 11, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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the guy is worse than bait…he’s chum. dump him out of the boat, he stinks
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 11, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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figures. i missed it.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on
Jul 11, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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I want to see Tampa take the East as much as the next guy-I fume inside just thinking about the Red Sox, but I’ll voice a little secret: Tampa’s lineup-outside of the young Longoria and to a lesser extent Pena—really stinks. They have the pitching but not the bats to hold down the Red Sox all season. Winning the wildcard would be a stunning overachievement.
And in several hours the Tribe will have beaten them again.
by jhon on Jul 11, 2008 7:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Lets Go Tribe
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 7:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Wow I’m slow on the KKKliff…I just got it and I am stone cold sober.
Still an Ohio boy through and through!
by TribeLoverInNewYork on
Jul 11, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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ichiro is being paid 17 million? wow the mariners are dumb
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs
I always thought that Ichiro would look nice leading off for the Tribe and playing right field until he made that stupid comment about Cleveland last year.
Still an Ohio boy through and through!
by TribeLoverInNewYork on
Jul 11, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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that and he just doesn’t care that much about trying hard at baseball
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 11, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
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Who cares? Effort is hardly the equal of talent.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jul 12, 2008 12:29 AM EDT
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Talent without effort is useless.
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by mauichuck on
Jul 12, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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Yes, it sort of was. My main point is that a talented player can still be effective without a supreme effort. A player who puts forth supreme effort but has little talent will be deifid by the media and essentially useless on the field.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jul 12, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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I think this is tremendously wrong or at least vastly over-simplified. You’re talking about appearing to make an effort on an individual play. That is only a tiny amount of the effort that goes into being a ballplayer.
What appears to the naked eye to be “talent” is very often the product of an immense amount of effort, honed over many years. If there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’s that the top raw talents do not in fact rise to the top of the game, but rather only those who devote themselves tirelessly to making the most of their talent.
by Jay on
Jul 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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My argument is that players who rely simply on effort will never, ever make the impact of a more talented player who does not exrt as much effort on a given play. That is vastly over-simplified but, in the day of ESPN, isn’t everything?
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jul 17, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
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Sort of a pointless argument.
There is no “purely on effort” because there’s nobody who’s totally lacking in talent.
How much talent does it take to make up for X amount of less effort? Quite a bit more than most assume.
by Jay on
Jul 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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I think we are discussing different effort here. You would point to Manny and say that he gives a tremendous amount of effort to get where he is. (And he does). I would say that Manny’s talent enables him to not have to xert himself on day by day basis on the scale that someone like John McDonald has to, just to keep a job.
But yes, this is pretty pointless.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jul 18, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
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And I would say, Manny reportedly has worked on his hitting as much as or more than any other ballplayer alive — and you have no way of separating his talent from his work with your naked eye.
You think you’re seeing talent, but in reality, you have absolutely no idea.
by Jay on
Jul 19, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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You are missing the point here. I am saying that Manny (just for example) does not have to exert, from game to game, the sort of effort of a John McDonald or Jody Gerut. I know that Manny works extremely hard on his hitting (you can read that anywhere)but what he does not have to do is constantly grind the way players with lesser talent do.
The original argument here was that Ichiro was not worth consideration because he didn’t seem to care enough to try hard. Whatever that means. I say it does not matter if he looks like he tries hard or not, his talent transcends his supposed alck o effort.
You think you are seeing the product of years and years of effort, but in reality, you have no idea.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on
Jul 20, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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I’m not missing the point, the point is ridiculous. The significant grinding effort doesn’t happen during each game, it happens before each game and in the offseason. Players take 5-10 times as many swings in the cages and in batting practice as they’ll take in the actual game.
During the actual game, the at-bats are relatively brief, and if you somehow think that Manny is exerting or focusing less for those 4-5 encounters of 90 seconds in each game … well, that’s just nuts. If he wasn’t focused and exerting, he couldn’t do anything at the plate. Nobody could.
by Jay on
Jul 22, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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oh my god the Rays are last in the league in doubles? casey blake could hit 5th for them. (longoria should be hitting 4th)
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:13 PM EDT 0 recs
Is that a good inning? I think that was a good inning.
by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:15 PM EDT 0 recs
24 pitches isn’t awesome, but 3 K’s is pretty cool.
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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Jhonny
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Those shadows must be screwing with the Rays .. they look lost out there.
by Toxicadam on Jul 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT 0 recs
i personally guarantee that the indians will pick up the remainder of casey blake’s salary if they trade him
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT 0 recs
He’s going to the Mets to pick up for Alou and the Mets are gonna estatic to have him.
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by mauichuck on
Jul 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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Exactly what I was going to post. He’ll swing at ball four, but he’ll take a called third strike with the best of them.
by xrickx on
Jul 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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that sounded like (reading gameday) a very ben francisco/victor martinez – esque weak pop to an infielder w/ RISP. someone else can know our pain
by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 11, 2008 7:35 PM EDT 0 recs
I’m here only for a couple of minutes. Casey, btw, is now in the top 30 in OPS for eligible AL batters. Grady is our only other player in that group (#8). Casey has been a decent offensive contributor this season and now that Garko sucks he’ s not even blocking Marte. Could we lay off him just a little? (ducks).
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 11, 2008 7:36 PM EDT 0 recs
i’m with you. i’ve been saying for a couple of weeks that blake is our most valuable offensive player…clearly that is actually grady, but is there even a close competitor to casey right now? please, be sure to factor in the beard/grit
by DontCallMeJoey on
Jul 11, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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I’ve been beginning to feel this way over the last 10 days or so.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on
Jul 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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BAD D!
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on Jul 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT 0 recs
Any news on Sexson?
Still an Ohio boy through and through!
by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 11, 2008 7:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Yea. Even though he’s currently not on a roster, he still managed to go 0-4 today with 3Ks.
by xrickx on
Jul 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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how’d we get our 1? forgot to set up the DVR. too lazy to find a box/cast
by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT 0 recs
BenFran infield single off the glove of Longoria…tough hop back-hander that he couldn’t pick. Jhonny took a low curveball to RF, Gomes misjudged it, and they called it a double. Run Scored
by xrickx on
Jul 11, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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is it me or has jhonny been in one of his good inconsistent stretches?
he’s going to end the year with solid numbers. i think he’s consistent, just in his own way.
by Brick. on
Jul 11, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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Fausto’s set for a rehab assignment. Ginter to get the start tomorrow. Somebody has to be moved off the 40. Mastny? Maybe try and slip Bullington through waives? Brad Snyder?
by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:52 PM EDT 0 recs
my mood will elevate just by getting to see fausto throw every 5th. get drubs up here and i’m a content camper – all things considered. i love those kids.
by Brick. on
Jul 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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So we got one run huh? That’s all the Cliffenator needs. It’s over, chalk this up as another win.
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by mauichuck on Jul 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT 0 recs
he says “TAKE THAT” to the league adjusting to him. we need more of that.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on
Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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francisco runs kinda sideways like a taunting phillips. i don’t think i like it.
by Brick. on Jul 11, 2008 7:58 PM EDT 0 recs
It must be a bad angle for them to see. Underwood botched a similar homerun last night (Choo).
by Toxicadam on
Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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Locked in. How can a guy who can drive that pitch that far struggle as much as he has this season?
by xrickx on Jul 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT 0 recs
‘tis the mystery of Jhonny Peralta.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on
Jul 11, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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I’d be really happy to sell on Jhonny at this point, if someone just looked at his power.
by NickFantana on Jul 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT 0 recs
It’d have to be the right mix of players. I’m not opposed to it. I like a 30HR shortstop, but a .300OBP is just not cool. I don’t think he’s a .300OBP hitter. I do think he can be a 30HR guy, though. He just has to want to hit it to RF every at-bat, like Jeter.
by xrickx on
Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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you go to hell. you go to hell and you die. leave my jhonny alone!
by Brick. on
Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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Peralta is worth more to us than to anyone else, IMO.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on
Jul 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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