Midseason Stats of the Pitching Prospects that Matter

by FranklinScott on Jul 16, 2008 6:40 PM EDT Comment 22 comments

Here's the next installment of DiamondView Lite's efforts. I've got the pitchers coded in and Sean Forman from Baseball Reference said it's fine as long as I cite them. Again, please let me know if you think I should add or remove anyone's name.

Age	Lvl	G	GS	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	HBP	WP	BFP	ERA	WHIP
19	A	18	18	0	76.2	50	37	31	2	63	68	8	13	344	3.64	1.47	Christopher Archer
20	A	17	17	0	89.2	68	22	18	2	33	88	3	6	363	1.81	1.13	Kelvin De La Cruz
19	A+	17	17	0	84.2	99	59	54	10	36	72	10	1	389	5.74	1.59	Jeanmar Gomez
23	AAA	8	8	0	43	38	19	16	4	5	48	2	1	172	3.35	1.00	David Huff
24	AAA	11	0	1	20	16	11	8	2	8	18	1	1	87	3.60	1.20	Jensen Lewis
24	AA	8	8	0	41	41	18	17	0	5	27	1	1	167	3.73	1.12	Scott Lewis
22	AA	15	14	0	61.2	68	43	41	7	43	55	5	3	297	5.98	1.80	Chuck Lofgren
20	A+	18	18	0	93	88	40	36	6	32	101	5	3	393	3.48	1.29	Hector Rondon
24	A+	5	0	0	8	4	2	1	0	3	10	0	0	31	1.12	0.88	Tony Sipp
24	AAA	14	0	5	20.2	14	10	9	3	10	28	1	0	85	3.92	1.16	Jeffrey Stevens

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Boy, Huff’s line really jumps off the page. K/BB over 10, IP/HR over 10, and more Ks than IP. In AAA at age 23. Kid looks legit.

by mrich on Jul 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

afh4 style bright spot, that kid is

by Voltaire on Jul 16, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and...

Sipp, Rondon, and Stevens. Good to see the Phillips trade result isn’t a turd.

by jerseywahoo on Jul 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don’t miss de la Cruz.

by afh4 on Jul 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Adam Miller doesn’t matter anymore? Too old?

by ken from alexandria on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

“old”, injured. meh.

by Voltaire on Jul 16, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello Ken,

It’s probably not Miller’s age so much (he’ll only turn 24-YO in November), but being that he’s been injured so much, and really didn’t pitch that much this season, they probably felt there was no reason to include him – his sample size for 2008 was small and he’s dealt with an injury for most of the season.

The same could almost be said for Lofgren, though Lofgren did pitch more than Miller, and arguably, the luster is even more off of Lofgren than Miller because, unlike Miller, Lofgren hasn’t been able to harness his stuff to the degree Miller has.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 17, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve always been a Gomez fan, but his line is indicating to me a move to the bullpen might be the way to go. Anyone have any idea on how fast he throws?

by Roger Dorn on Jul 16, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hello Roger,

I too like Gomez (as I do Rondon, and that was before his great 2008 season – now I like him even more! :-), but I too wonder if a move to the bullpen might be in his future, though Gomez is a year younger than Rondon, so he does have time to work out the kinks – he’ll only be 20 in October, so the Indians will probably keep him as a starter for another season or two before they consider a permanent move to the bullpen.

This link is from TheClevelandFan.com back in January when they ranked our top 50 prospects. Gomez was #27 and was rated to have an 87-90 MPH fastball that could reach 93 MPH (that may have changed this season – not sure). You can read more of a profile on him at that link as well. I hope it’s helpful!

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 17, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello again Roger,

Reading that review more in-depth, as it’s been a few months since I last read it, I’ll be surprised if they move Rondon too quickly to the bullpen. His growth potential in terms of size, stuff, and command is good to very good, and last season, Gomez did better in the second half, so it will be interesting to see if Gomez does better than he’s done so far in the second half of this season.

As I mentioned above, he’ll probably get another year or two as a starter before they consider a permanent move to the bullpen. That review also suggests he could gain additional velocity, being that he’s still just 19-YO and still growing into his frame. By comparison, he’s younger than both Rondon and De La Cruz, both of whom are having excellent seasons, but Gomez is at the same level as Rondon and at a level higher than De La Cruz, just to keep in mind that Gomez still has some time to figure it all out.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 17, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good to know, thank you

by Roger Dorn on Jul 17, 2008 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You’re welcome – happy to help! :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 17, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t have time to compile the numbers right now…but there are a few “interesting” pitchers I might add to the list (even if they don’t matter):

Zach Jackson
J.D. Martin
Brian Slocum
Randy Newsom
Reid Santos (and his soon to be vacated 40-man spot)
Luis Perdomo
Ryan Edell
Josh Tomlin
Mike Pontius
Ryan Miller
Joey Mahalic
Rob Bryson
Paolo Espino

by APV on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’d like to see Tomlin get promoted to AA. He’s 23 and putting up pretty impressive numbers at Kinston. I’d add Stephen Wright to this list as he pitched pretty well at Kinston, before hitting a rough patch upon promotion to AA.

by ClarkM on Jul 17, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For most of those “older young guys,” getting promoted to Double-A is the rough patch.

by Jay on Jul 17, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And not, sadly, Gregorio Rosario.

by fleerdon on Jul 17, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Rosario out of baseball? What a letdown.

by jhon on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sporting a dingy 5.5 ERA against a bunch of teenagers in the GCL. Decent K-rate, but nothing to write home and/or Lookout Landing about.

by fleerdon on Jul 17, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep in mind that Rosario himself is only 19-YO (won’t turn 20 until late August), so it’s not like he’s old for the league – he’s a teenager himself.

Sometimes, “fruit” blossoms immediately, sometimes “fruit” blossoms after a time, and sometimes, “fruit” doesn’t blossom at all, but at this point, #2 (after a time) is still possible for Rosario. Let’s wait and see if that “fruit” blossoms a year or two from now – he certainly is young enough for that to be a possibility.

And if he does, then we can let Lookout Landing know at that point. :-)

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 18, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs