The Cleveland Indians: Inflating Egos Since 2008
I don't always get a chance to watch the Tribe game, so as a result I'm left to start my day with the poorly written and often depressing ESPN "Recap". I've come to the conclusion whoever is writing these things doesn't have much in the way of league awareness, because they always seem to focus on traditional stats as the method by which they determine who "played good" and who did not.
I had a quick idea to see how many pitchers have been deems good performers as a result of being the lucky recipient of this years Indians team that has become quite good at striking/grounding/flying themselves out with almost no effort by the pitcher.
Just last night:
The 22-year-old Hernandez showed why he is one of the only Mariners who is untouchable in the trade market. He struck out eight and allowed just four hits and two runs in six innings, throwing 98 pitches in his second start since returning from a sprained ankle that had him on the disabled list.
The Indians PH for the DH, who bats seventh. That's about all you need to know about last night's lineup.
In Cinci:
Johnny Cueto added a few wrinkles and changes to go with his crackling fastball.
The rookie right-hander won for the first time in four starts for Cincinnati, combining with four Reds relievers to shut out the Cleveland Indians 5-0 on Saturday night."I've been working on my changeup and slider," Cueto said through an interpreter.
Cueto lost two of his next three; his era is hovering around 5 [Note: I understand those aren't the best stats to be using, point still stands]
Probably the most embarrassing of them all:
Barry Zito finally placed as much faith in himself as the San Francisco Giants did when they signed him.
Signed to a $126 million, seven-year contract before last season, Zito (3-11) got his first interleague win for the Giants on Wednesday night with a 4-1 victory over the Cleveland Indians."That's the Zito we know," Giants manager Bruce Bochy said. "He had great rhythm, pounded the strike zone and threw all his pitches very well."
If you follow baseball even in the slightest you know Barry isn't having a totally awesome year, except against the Indians. To this day, he is owned by just 5% of fantasy owners. A strange stat, I know, but still telling.
I could go all day but I'll finish with just one more:
Greg Reynolds wasn't worried about a return trip to the minors. He just didn't want to have two bad starts in a row.
Five days after giving up eight runs in 3 1/3 innings, Reynolds pitched six strong innings and led Colorado's season-high 17-hit attack by going 2-for-3 with a run scored as the Rockies routed the Cleveland Indians 10-2 on Tuesday night.
Nothing to add except, ya, the Indians were shut down in the best hitters park in baseball by a guy who just got back from the minors and was fresh off of an 8 run 3.3 inning start.
My point is one we've known all along, this team cannot hit. But I find it a little sad/amusing how hard a time ESPN is having catching on.
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Of course you’re right about the Tribe offense in general, but then we did win four straight only a week ago against what is arguably the best starting staff in baseball. In light of your argument, how do you explain that?
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by mauichuck on Jul 19, 2008 10:42 AM EDT 0 recs
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I didn’t read the espn comments on that series, although I suspect they talked about how the team is “coming around” or some such nonsense.
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by Kevin HD on
Jul 19, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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I believe the Indians’ success against the Rays was attributed to a season-worst losing streak, where Tampa couldn’t beat anybody.
It is interesting to read the summaries of opposing teams. Invariably, victory or success is attributed to a positive action on the part of their player, while Indians’ observers attribute the loss to a negative action or failure by an Indians player. In last night’s game against Seattle, I thought the loss was attributable to Peralta’s error, which led to five unearned runs, and Cabrera’s inability to turn a double play (poor throw), which led to three more runs. Nowhere would I assign credit to Ibanez or even Felix Hernandez.
For a while I believed that perhaps some of the baffling pitching performances the Tribe ran into earlier this year±—Armando Gallaraga, Dana Eveland, Nick Blackburn, John Danks, Doug Mathis, Justin Duchscherer—were because these pitchers were actually good. Or, perhaps the Tribe just faced them on the wrong day.
by odradek on
Jul 19, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
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Question: What happens if we don’t make the playoffs next year? Like to the front office I mean? We all love them and they’re a bunch of really smart guys, but failure in 2009 (which looks quite probable) would mean one playoff appearance in eight years. That’s starting to get kinda nuts.
Sorry, it’s late, my mind is racing here.
by supermarioelia on Jul 20, 2008 12:19 AM EDT 0 recs
I think thats legit, from the joe-fan point of view (which I know you are not). Perhaps, in that instance, Wedge is gone, Shapiro moves on to president, and Antonetti ascends. Might be a little too much replacing from in-house, but it could go over the head of the average fan (and its not like the PD is going to scoop it).
by bewwolv on
Jul 20, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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If the Indians stumble out of the gate in 2009—and there will be pressure on Shapiro to do something miraculous to keep up with the Twins, who have great young pitching and are somehow third in RS in the AL—it’s not farfetched to expect some sort of shakeup. Maybe Antonetti takes over and Shapiro becomes president. Maybe they make a sacrifice of Wedge et al. and bring in Lovullo.
by odradek on
Jul 20, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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Deep down, I’m starting to wonder if there aren’t sealed orders in the safe behind the inspirational poster in Antonetti’s office which say: “Blowing it up and trying again in 2010…This time, we’ll bring offense, too!”
by fleerdon on
Jul 20, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
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I assume ownership’s trust and patience is not infinite.
Of course, being educated and even-tempered, they will always pay as much attention to the reasons for the team’s struggles as they do to the degree of the struggles.
That said, I assume ownership’s trust and patience is not infinite.
by Jay on
Jul 20, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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