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Why the season is not finished

Fat lady.  Songs.  Door.  Ass.  Toast.  We’re done for.  The 2008 Cleveland Indians season is done.  And it is a colossal failure.  As of this morning, the Indians are 10 games below .500 at 37-47, 11.5 games out of 1st place in the AL Central, and in last place in the division behind the decades-long slumping Kansas City Royals.  The good people at Baseball Prospectus have the Indians chances of making the playoffs (PECOTA-adjusted) at less than 1%.  The cool people at Coolstandings.com have the Tribe’s playoff chances at a slightly cooler 2.5%.  The Indians captain, Victor Martinez, is on the DL indefinitely.  Their fearsome DH has been relegated to a similar status by a bum shoulder and a nasty case of "being very un-dude".  Their hangover inducing, ice-cold young pitcher is also out.  And their reliable, innings-eating sinkerball machine has been sunk off the coast of TJ.  The Indians season is done like a late-night frozen pizza left in the oven overnight after you passed out on the couch watching re-runs of Man vs. Wild on Discovery.  Pack up your bags and go home.

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  But is it really?  Is it over?  No.  Every season begins with the goal of winning the World Series.  For the last 60 years that is what the Indians have tried, and failed, to do every year.  This year is no different.  The 2008 Indians will not be World Champions.  But that goal of winning a World Series does not exist as a singular monolith separate from the actions of those events and people which surround it.  It is in actuality a product of those events and people.  In baseball terms, this is the stuff of player performance, development, coaching, and organizational decisions.  And while the World Series is a convenient threshold denoting the end of one season and ushering in the beginning of another season, all of those things which go into a World Series are not so easily compartmentalized.  Players’ abilities are continuous variables, measured out in discrete plate appearances and games, but constantly changing in processes of growth and decline.  Likewise, an organization is a dynamic system, with players entering, leaving, underperforming, and exceeding expectations.  And the performances of one season bleed into the next.  The games played in Cleveland, and Buffalo, and Akron, and even all the way down in Winter Haven will have some impact on the organization going into next season and beyond.  They will help decide the fates of all the moving parts which make up the Indians organization.

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I came of age as an Indians fan in the late 80s and early 90s, just in time to catch a decade of stunning major league baseball in Cleveland.  But I did not begin to truly appreciate baseball on more than a season-to-season basis until 2002, when it became clear the run of fantastic teams in Cleveland was coming to an end.  And it was then that I became aware of the true depth of being a baseball fan.  That the success of players was not a given.  That in order to really appreciate the players on the field in Cleveland, it helped to have a sense of where they had come from and how they had gotten there.  What decisions had been made to make them part of the current set of players striving for the goal of World Series glory?  

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And that is where the organization stands now.  Obviously we are on the brink of changes, both large and small, which will go a long way in determining who we have and what chances we have at the 2009 World Series and beyond.  And as a fan, that means that while the 2008 season has ended, the 2009 season has begun.  We are now beginning a 78-game, late Summer, pre-Spring Training in which the performances of players across the organization will be tracked in order to determine what role and future they have with the Tribe.  The ability of players will continue to change as improvements are made, strength is gained, pitch recognition improves, or age begins to sap away at these abilities.  

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And baseball will be played.  In Cleveland. In Buffalo.  In Akron.  In Kinston.  In Eastlake.  In Mahoning Valley.  In Winter Haven.  Even in the Dominican.  Players will take the field, the dirt will be groomed and watered down, someone will yell out "hot dogs!" while someone else yells "cold beer!".  Fireworks will get shot off.  Kids will laugh and smile.  And games will be won and games will be lost.  But baseball will still be played because the season of baseball never ends.

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This is exactly how I feel and where I stand.

My Dad has been a huge Indian fan since the 60s (god bless him!!!) and I first followed the Tribe in the late 80s, early 90s. I was between 6-10. Then, I took 1994-2001 for granite and in 2002, I first realized what it was like to feel how my Dad felt for the last 40 years. Winning isnt easy, especially when you dont have the money to do it.

I was actually in Cleveland during the summer of 2002 and the summer of 2005. Both were awful seasons for the Tribe. I remember going the stadium and being so upset about the team. Now, I am in the same position and probably an even worse position because this was supposed to be the year! Now, all I can hope for is good prospects back for CC, Byrd, Dellucci, Borowski, etc. The same thing I hoped for in 2002 and 2005.

by Tribe Alive on Jul 2, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually took 1994-2001 for limestone. To each his own.

by KevinV on Jul 2, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW! GRANTED…hahaha…

by Tribe Alive on Jul 2, 2008 12:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaah – just when I thought I wouldn’t hafta go through another baseball-lyte summer and up pops this stinker. I’ve got deja vu all over again. One aspect of the club is outstanding – starting pitching – and everything else – hitting, fielding, base running, relief pitching – stinks. There’s nobody in the high minors that looks like a potential all-star and we may, or may not, have help 2-3 years away somewhere in the Carolina League. I’ve seen this all before, over and over again.

But then again Adam, you’re right – it’s still baseball and even bad day at the ballpark is better than any other day of the year. Sit in the stands with your buds, have a few barley-pops, break some balls, talk a little baseball and pretend you acturally know what the hell you’re talking about. And best of all I got to see Delucci hit a game-winning homer offa “the greatest pitching prospect in the history of baseball” in the last game I’ll ever see in Yankee Stadium. All in all not a bad way to spend a warm summer’s night.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jul 2, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our fielding stinks? Fewest errors in the majors. Blake and Bfran don’t play every position!

by joeee on Jul 2, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me get this right: you, a noted sabermatrician, are using total errors as a measure of our fielding prowess. Is that right? Surely there must be some other “advanced” fielding statistic more revealing than this.

And you, of course, have seen Peralta play short stop. Kinda remind you of a fat guy trying to catch a chicken, no?

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jul 2, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean a myopic fat guy with a paralyzed right arm trying to catch a chicken

I kid, I kid

by jhon on Jul 2, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, he’s not myopic. I heard (somewhere) that he had laser eye surgery.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jul 2, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never said I knew anything about stats or baseball, or really anything. Yeah, total errors is pretty darn rough, but if you are on one pole or another it says something? Maybe that’s a reach, but if you lead the league in errors that’s probably a bad thing. Aren’t all defensive metrics shaky? Our outfield 116 OOZ and .904 RZR are fine. And Peralta’s defense is league average, so what?

by joeee on Jul 2, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW I think errors are pretty legit. You make more that 35-40 errors in a season at 3B, for example, and you’re likely to change positions no matter how many OOZ plays you make.

by jhon on Jul 2, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, well it’s all realitive. Here check this guy out. He made 50 errors in 1901 and still had a FP 0.015 higher than the league average. And he was the greatest fielding third baseman in the history of baseball!!

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jul 2, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re damned right, he was — in 1901.

Errors are not a reliable stat, but the error rate of the error stat will reliably diminish over a large enough sample size. Most teams are now approaching 7000 innings played on the season (that is, the total innings played for all players), which sure feels like it’s approaching significantishness.

by Jay on Jul 2, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve been an Indians fan since 1975. I was 10 at the time, and even though my parents did not follow baseball at all, I was excited by all the buzz about Frank Robinson, and then got hooked on baseball forever by the World Series of that year. I was raised on low expectations for the Indians and the phrase “June Swoon.” I remember the excitement of seeing Joe Carter and Cory Snyder on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

That being said, this year really is different. Of course the season’s not over, but it’s hard not to take some time to grieve over what it should have been based on last season’s performance – domination of the AL Central with a run deep into postseason and a reasonable chance at a World Series title. Blowing it up, again, for prospects is a different kind of excitement than what most of us here were looking for. And what makes it worse is that the failure appears to be systemic, and that the team which found ways to win so often last year, is finding new and different ways to lose. It’s the bullpen one day and the hitting the next, baserunning or fielding mistakes the next day.

But I’ll still be watching. You know you shouldn’t slow down to look at that car wreck on the other side of the freeway, but you do it anyway.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 2, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a Cleveland Indians’ car wreck, and that makes it special. Though familiar to some of us.

But the south shall rise again. With a few breaks, maybe as soon as next year.

And, by the way, wasn’t the 1975 Series one of the most spectacular sporting events ever?

by odradek on Jul 2, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m excited about rooting for the team to overachieve once they get rid of all of these underachievers.

by NickFantana on Jul 2, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kinda like 2005 with the callups of Garko, Kouzmanoff, Gutz, Choo, Sowers, etc.

by Tribe Alive on Jul 2, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Each year 29 Major Legaue teams do not win the World Series, and the Indians are second only to the Cubs in accomplishing that feat.

This season, we got to discover that fact a little sooner than most.

Now’s the time to make the most of what’s left of this season by putting the pieces in place to ensure that a train wreck like this doesn’t happen again. As a fan of this team, I’m looking forward to it!

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jul 2, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh. What a complete buzzkill this year has been, especially coming off that interminable offseason and the wild rush of that Opening Day victory.

It really seems like the Indians broke down right smack in the middle of the ALCS last year and the problem was either misdiagnosed or never addressed. Save for the starting pitching in Games 5 and 6, those last 3 games in 2007 look an awful lot like most of the games this year in nearly every aspect of play. Here’s hoping whatever the hell is broken can be finally repaired before we start next year’s campaign (it would also be great to play spoilers for Chicago or Detroit, if that will be possible by season’s end).

I’ll still head down to the park on an odd Sunday to sit in the sun and enjoy a summer afternoon watching some pro ball in my favorite park (I might even do a couple over my vacation week when the Twins are in town), but right now I’m feeling shortchanged, depressed and angry … and that’s before I even consider that I’ve been witnessing the best starting rotation this team has seen in my lifetime going completely to waste.

I’ve been “accepting” this for a bit, but it stings like a mother nonetheless. :(

--
2008: let the hate flow through you.

by vbc3 on Jul 2, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, my hopes have been dashed as well, just like the rest of you. But back in February, my hope was for a “boston” type run for our teams this year (and I know not everyone here roots for all of my teams).

The Cavs were going to be a tough out in the playoffs (and they were), but I had no hopes of a Finals reapperance due to the new team configuration and the numerous injuries.

My hope was that the run started in April, with the Tribe having a White Sox 2005 type season. An early breakout start, and a coasting into the playoffs where hopefully we had a decent shot of winning it all.

Then in the fall, the Browns start their drive for the playoffs (although I seriously doubt they could make the AFC title game). Then the Buckeyes continue their regular season dominance and have another BCS title appearance. And then next spring the Cavs become that Finals team again with the Tribe set up for a repeat.

Now, I just have to hope the Browns and Buckeyes start this soon to be found playoff run (maybe a title? – crosses fingers) with the Cavs and Tribe waiting for 2009 to do their damage. How I’d love to have all 4 in the playoffs in one calendar year with at least 2 of them with a decent shot of winning it all.

Dreams …... dreams …. dreams…....

by talonk on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really like the Browns foundation right now. Either QB stepping up would be able to put this team into the elite category

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but in five years, just when they’re about to win the SB, Lerner’ll move ‘em to LA.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jul 2, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What do we do with the football stadium and its luxury suites?

by elsandito on Jul 2, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Homeless shelter.

Resident LGT beer kinda sewer

by mauichuck on Jul 2, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

22% of the world’s fresh surface water supply is here in the Great Lakes basin.

Not only will we be back economically, but we’ll once again dominate what’s left of Major League Baseball. Yankee stadium will be under a couple feet of seawater. Tampa Bay better enjoy this run while their city is still habitable.

by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 3, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Tampa is habitable? That’s news to me.

by APV on Jul 3, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you know that tropicana field is a protected ecosystem? only a certain amount of humans are allowed there at a time.

by Brick. on Jul 3, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I’ll give you a rec for effort.

I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.

by emd2k3 on Jul 5, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but a discussion of “fresh water” and the Cleveland area only made me think of this:

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jul 3, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The river hasn’t caught on fire in almost 30 years and even has fish in it again, honest. You’ll all see when you’re forced to move back.

by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 3, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That band broke up years ago.

by peter m on Jul 3, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the Mayor hasn’t caught his hair on fire for nearly that long as well, but that’s not getting me to move back either.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jul 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yer right – what the hell was I thinking? Now all I gotta do is go home, tell the Mauidaisy we’re leaving Maui and moving back to Cleveland – in January – during the garbage strike – weeks before Sherman-Williams relocates to Bangalor, Indian – right before the hundred year blizzard. I’ll let you know how that turns out.

Resident LGT beer kinda sewer

by mauichuck on Jul 3, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mayor Jackson solved the threat of garbage strike. We have the garbage shipped in from out of state until we break the unions.

by elsandito on Jul 3, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Eat your beef and cheese now, because that stuff will be worth more than gold on the island in a couple decades. And don’t think you can rely on seafood, because that stuff will be gone soon as well.

by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 3, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Patty I shouldn’t even respond to this but I couldn’t resist. Hawaii actually exports beef. I’ve got a cattle farm about half a mile from my house – you can see the Angus cattle as you drive down Piilani Highway. There’s a big dairy farm on the way up Haleakula. In fact we got our own brand of cowboy in Hawaii. They’re called paniolo. We got a rodeo every June up in Makawao.

Nope we got plenty of cattle and cattle products on the island. Pork, the Hawaiian’s favorite meat, is another thing. No pig farms here, as far as I know.

Resident LGT beer kinda sewer

by mauichuck on Jul 5, 2008 12:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The typical Cleveland sports fan everyone. We always have another team.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by fwembt on Jul 2, 2008 11:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cavs actually don’t really do it for me, but that is more of an NBA dislike than a Cavs dislike. I adore college basketball.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 3, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I plumb forgot about the best news of the Tribe virtually having no shot at winning the World Series …. I am on vacation in Cabo from Oct 20-27. No need to find a sports bar (and irritating my wife in the process) and I can just relax drinking Negro Modelos and pina coladas at the pool.

by talonk on Jul 3, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah, I feel way better now.

by Jay on Jul 3, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To me, the only sense in which this season is not over is the fact that the Tribe is forced to play the remainder of the games on their schedule. While I wish I could view player development for the rest of this year as anything more than mildly interesting, I cannot. The fact is that I, and most people, had both realistic and high expectations for this team. Hell, I don’t think there’s anyone who thought the Tribe wouldn’t be semi-competitive. This was supposed to be one of the big target years accoring to the Big Plan, and so it’s a lot different than just another year where the Tribe didn’t win the WS. This one hurts.

So, as the saying goes, “You can’t polish a turd.”

Of course, I’ll still be watching, cause I got nowhere else to go.

by Fredward on Jul 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Freddy, you have got to watch every minute of every game this year. As an engaged man, right now you’re setting precedents for decades of married life; you have to establish that it’s normative and reasonable to watch ~400 hours of baseball per year.

by Jay on Jul 3, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

i can vouch that this works. it’s just like when you start a new job and leave every day at 5:00 on the nose. it’s all conditioning.

by Brick. on Jul 3, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a line of reasoning that I had not considered and I find it absolutely compelling. Thank you both for setting me straight. Go Tribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Fredward on Jul 3, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And show up every day at 11:00.

Oh, yeah, it works.

by Jay on Jul 3, 2008 6:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec’d. That is the gospel truth.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by fwembt on Jul 4, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed…I couldn’t do with baseball due to the diffculty with the time difference…but the precedent was set early with soccer…we now have season tickets too

by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on Jul 8, 2008 6:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post made me feel better.

by Voltaire on Jul 3, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty much how I feel. I can’t wait to see what this team evolves into. Good luck to any current Indian who goes elsewhere.

by ahowie on Jul 4, 2008 1:58 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And baseball will be played. In Cleveland. In Buffalo. In Akron. In Kinston. In Eastlake. In Mahoning Valley. In Winter Haven.

Dang. My folks just bought a house in Goodyear. I should let them know.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 4, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my folks are about 30 minutes from Goodyear. I’ll be there in March.

by APV on Jul 4, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too.

At your folks place.

by Jay on Jul 4, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dibs on the La-Z-Boy

by APV on Jul 5, 2008 2:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay. Dibs on Jhon’s sister.

by Jay on Jul 5, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goodyear in March is infinitely more appealing to me than Winter Haven in March.

by NickFantana on Jul 5, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll be there, too. In March. At this place.

I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.

by emd2k3 on Jul 5, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If all goes well, we will have a two month old baby in March, so I’ll be missing their first season back in AZ unfortunately.

Hopefully we’ll be good to go in 2010 when they are still fresh from the glow of winning the 2009 World Series.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My sis is getting her doctorate at Arizona, so this move will work out great for me. I could spend all of March down there if I can figure out how to stay employed through the experience.

by jhon on Jul 4, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why the season is not finished?

Because if we keep losing, KLaw thinks we can get a solid prospect in the draft:


The very top of the draft looks fine for next year – Strasburg, Gibson, Oliver, Ackley, Green, Davis, maybe White if his arm is still attached. It’s the middle of the first round where the weakness of the college crop is going to start to show.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jul 10, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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