Cleveland Indians @ Seattle Mariners GameThread, Jul 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT

Game Thread: July 20, 2008

by Ryan on Jul 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT in Game Threads Comment 110 comments

Cleveland Indians @ Seattle Mariners

Cleveland at Seattle, 4:10 PM (STO)

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Let’s Go Cliff.

by Toxicadam on Jul 20, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

look at that lineup. If we score a run today I consider it a win.

by ASP on Jul 20, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Surely we can manage a run off Silva?

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 20, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scott Lewis pitched well in Akron today (6IP, 6H, 1R, 0BB, 6K). David Huff’s off to a good start in the 2nd game of a doubleheader for Buffalo.

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Adam, dude, you’re our new indiansfan!

Resident LGT beer kinda sewer

by mauichuck on Jul 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

except I horde my change

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What the shit kind of lineup is this? What’s the point of Looch in the 2?

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

showcase the Looch!

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do other times more frequently trade for players who bat in the 2 as opposed to the 8?

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately, other teams don’t have Wedge as Manager/GeneralManager. If they did, Looch could hit 2nd every day for someone. And hit .150.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone else not have any pictures on LGT today?

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’ve got all but a few visible

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve got red X’s everywhere.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No pictures here

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

same. All i’ve got is the ads and Cliff… all of which I’m sure are hosted elsewhere.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Silva’s throwing a lot of pitches

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It is pretty stupid. I can’t even explain how sick of Dellucci I am

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lee starts the first three batters with 0-2 counts

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

JD Martin pitched 3 shutout innings in the Bisons first game today. He’s now allowed 2 runs over 10 innings since being promoted.

by JRontherim on Jul 20, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Rangers started a catcher named Taylor Teagarden. That is all.

by ASP on Jul 20, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He’s a decent prospect.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he broke up Baker’s nono with a homer, too.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jhonny, Jhonny, Jhonny…

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DPLIFF

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Droobz!

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tied up.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Orioles have lost 15 Sunday games in a row.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Anyone have any insight on Huff’s usage? He went 5 today with 1 ER and was pulled after 63 pitches. I recollect him getting pulled in the 5th or 6th generally in AAA but I didn’t see pitch counts.

Thoughts?

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

they’re limiting his innings since he had the UCL problem last year

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s something fun for you … these are Huff’s game-by-game walk totals since the start of May:

1, 0, 1, 0, 3, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0

That’s one three-walk game, seven one-walk games, seven zero-walk games.

Ten walks in fifteen starts, 83.1 IP, 322 batters faced. Also: 85 K.

by Jay on Jul 20, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carlos’ injury is inneffectiveness.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m at work, just popped in KELLY!!!!!!

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 20, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kelly, indeed.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lolsilva

by ahowie on Jul 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

When are we supposed to start hearing rumors about Blake? Soon, I hope?

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey-A.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cliff is averaging 9 pitches an inning.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Excuse me. Just a shade over 10 an inning.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My auto-update on the comments has stopped working. I think SBN is having some issues.

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TRADE HIM

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kelly!

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

More Shoppach.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jorge Julio dealing for the Richmond Braves. 1.56 ERA.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Garko sucks

by ahowie on Jul 20, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ryan Garko. Scrubby.

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why is Brian Barton one of the spokespeople for mlb.tv?

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol @ the pitching matchups for the Angels series

oof

by ahowie on Jul 20, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The ERAs in the Ginter-Weaver matchup seem to favor us.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

true, I forgot Ginter is absolutely filthy

by ahowie on Jul 20, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dellucci, Garko, and Gutz 0-8, rest of lineup 7-14

by palcal on Jul 20, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sizemore’s avg up to .275.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cool necklace, Dellucci.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lee has thrown 8 balls (17%) in 5 innings.

by palcal on Jul 20, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would say 48 pitches in 5 innings ain’t bad at all.

Words do not do justice to my hatred for Boston sports teams.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on Jul 20, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cliff’s hat is really dirty.

by afh4 on Jul 20, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don’t you hate that they don’t call anything above the belt anymore?

Words do not do justice to my hatred for Boston sports teams.

by FaustosSinkingFastball on Jul 20, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carmona expected to throw a side session in Anaheim tomorrow.

by palcal on Jul 20, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

link

by palcal on Jul 20, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just got here….57 posts in the 7th inning??!

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

slow sunday…

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 20, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GUUUUUUUT

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hammy shitting on the espys/ESPN = awesome.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 20, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ah nothing like coming home and realizing you only missed 61 game thread comments. Lightens the workload.

by supermarioelia on Jul 20, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Im kind of hoping to see Mastny pitch the 9th

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 20, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How have you been Mario…long time no talk!

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It has been a while….you too busy for LGT these days? haha

by supermarioelia on Jul 20, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just a lurker…too depressing following the Tribe although lately they have been somewhat interesting.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ben for the Looch? Wedge is turning into a softy

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I had to come in to see what’s wrong, ninth inning and less than 70 coments.

by elsandito on Jul 20, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So this Ryan Garko character….are we pretty close to sending him down to Buffalo for a month at least to get some regular atbats to try and break out of this? It’s been posted here many times that he has an option, so let’s use it gosh darn it.

by supermarioelia on Jul 20, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i’m ready for the Aubrey-Garko swap

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Might as well give Aubrey a solid month up here so we have a decent idea next spring what the hell we’re doing.

by supermarioelia on Jul 20, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man, I used to love watching Garko AB. He would constantly foul pitches off and work the count full. He had the ability to choke up with two strikes and slap one into centerfield when needed. He never looked overmatched.

Now, I can’t stand watching him at the plate. Erratic and constantly pulling on everything. No control of his bat like he used to.

by Toxicadam on Jul 20, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly. Wtf happened?

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 21, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish Peralta had an option

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 20, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why?

by APV on Jul 20, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To learn how to play third, of course.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t want to alarm anyone, but we’re only 12 games out of first. SMELL THE PENNANT FEVER

by supermarioelia on Jul 20, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Party like it’s 2005!

by SuddenSam on Jul 20, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I knew I smelled somthing.

by elsandito on Jul 20, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey this Lee guy could be an All Star some day! Nic4e CG for Lee.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

*Nice

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 20, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lee with the 11-hitter…not too often you see that.

by Matt Y. on Jul 20, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lee has allowed two runs or fewer in 14 of his 19 starts

Holy crap. The guy should be 16-2.

by Toxicadam on Jul 20, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In his 4 NDs, he gave up a total of 4 ER, so all 4 could easily have been wins. He did, however, pick up Ws in two consecutive starts at the end of May and beginning of June where he gave up a total of 10 ER. Still, Clifton Phifer is amazing, given where he was a year ago.

by FredOx on Jul 21, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I’m not mistaken, Ducherer (that doesn’t look right – probably bc it isn’t) hasn’t allowed more than 2 ER in a game ALL YEAR.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 21, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duchscherer

3ER once (to Atlanta in May), one of 4 games when he did not go 6 innings

by palcal on Jul 21, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To be fair, he is a converted reliever, and three of those four games were his first three starts of the year. He hasn’t gone less than seven since June 4.

by FredOx on Jul 21, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just once – Duchscherer gave up 3 ER to Atlanta in May (5 IP).

by FredOx on Jul 21, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So 86 comments. Is that a new low?

by NickFantana on Jul 21, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Peralta comment

Just thought I’d pass on a funny comment I heard today on the Fox Sports Northwest telecast. There was a play where Willie Bloomquist hits a sharp grounder right at Peralta, and Bloomquist (who is fairly fast) beats out Peralta’s weak-ass throw. My wife, who loves Omar Vizquel and hates Peralta, proceeds to scream “Peralta, you suck!!!!” at the TV for the millionth time. Then Rick Rizz (the Mariners announcer) chimes in with “that looked like a case where Peralta didn’t realize who the runner was”. More like a case where Rizz doesn’t realize who Peralta is.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 21, 2008 2:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought Peralta’s arm was his only plus defensive tool.

Obviously, Peralta can’t carry Omar’s glove.

But, in contrast, It’s not that Omar couldn’t carry Peralta’s bat. He literally couldn’t even lift it.

by afh4 on Jul 21, 2008 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve been told here a ton of times that his arm is a plus tool, but I’ll keep saying that I think it’s below average, and that his range isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. The probably he generally has is that he’ll get to balls, but he’ll be off balance when he gets there and can’t get a powerful throw off thus giving the illusion that he’s slow and has no range.

by supermarioelia on Jul 21, 2008 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my theory is that his range sucks, and his arm is good—BUT his arm sometimes looks bad because he’s lazy and only puts as much as he absolutely feels he needs to on each throw.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 21, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha so we’re saying the exact opposite thing then. I guess my eye is just telling me different then than the story the stats tell.

by supermarioelia on Jul 21, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, they always said Omar’s arm was weak. Maybe it was, but at some point I decided to start counting the number of times I actually witnessed a runner beating his throw to the bag. I don’t think I ever got to “three” in that count.

by Jay on Jul 21, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It makes little sense to compare Omar to Jhon or to think there’s a SS controversy until Cabrera proves he can hold his own at the plate. A minimum .240 avg would suffice. Even then, it’s only a controversy. Until then, Peralta is really the only option in the Tribe system. If he occasionally boots a ball or his throw arrives late or he can’t get the throw off, know that his bat offsets those drawbacks. Most teams don’t have a Young or a Tejada at SS and Omar isn’t really Omar at the plate anymore. (either is Alomar, Baerga, Lofton or Mesa and if they were, we couldn’t afford all of them)

by elsandito on Jul 21, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, you are actually the one who doesn’t realize who Peralta is. Peralta has no significant defensive problems other than range. Of course, range is very important, but that was not the problem here from your description.

No shortstop in history ever made plays as consistently as Vizquel, who holds the all-time mark in fielding percentage for a shortstop, but Jhonny rates very highly in terms of converting the balls he gets to into outs.

by Jay on Jul 21, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember the play. Jhonny took a circuitous route to the ball, had to wait on the hop, and then was forced to throw quickly. He maybe could have come in on the ball—as the Mariners’ announcers suggested—but again he wasn’t balanced enough to make the play the way he wanted to.

by odradek on Jul 21, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, that’s what the Mariners announcers were saying – basically “Hey… it’s Bloomquist… ergo, you should move up on the ball” (he was on the edge of the grass and didn’t take any steps towards the ball IIRC). Although I threw in the little jab about Peralta’s arm (which is debatable), my point was that Peralta didn’t charge the ball because he’s Peralta, not because he didn’t realize that it was Bloomquist at the plate.

IMHO, this was a typical case of a team’s announcers not knowing the players on the opposing team very well… which, as a side note, is actually one of the interesting things for me about listening to XM Radio, MLB.com, Extra Innings, etc… it is interesting to see the perceptions of other team’s announcers about your team. My wife generally hates Peralta, I’m kind of so-so on him (love his bat for a SS but wish that Asdrubal was playing there defensively instead), the opinion in here on Peralta is fairly mixed… but it seems like most opposing team announcers are very high on Peralta.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 21, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peralta charges the ball just fine.

See, I hate this sloppy crap. All through 2006 and deep into 2007, we heard the sloppy commentary that Victor was a bad defender, and the only germ of truth in that was that he was bad at controlling the running game in 2006. This is the same nonsense. Jhonny is not a manifestly bad defender by any stretch. He does a very fine job at most of the things a shortstop is supposed to do, he just doesn’t have good range.

And I could care less how you or your wife feel about him. Facts are facts.

by Jay on Jul 22, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

His range is well below average, but the thing that drives me nuts is how long he takes to make a throw. It looks to me like he takes longer to make a throw than any other SS in baseball.

Resident LGT beer kinda sewer

by mauichuck on Jul 22, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peralta makes plenty of bang-bang plays when he has to. When he has the time, he takes the time, as he should. I literally have never read a word of criticism from scouts or other officials about his arm, and I’ve read a whole lot about his arm, almost all of it rating him solid to excellent.

by Jay on Jul 22, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Victor had problems “controlling the running game”. But he worked on his footwork and got better. Doesn’t change the fact – fact – that he only threw out 33 guys on 103 attempts in ‘06. Not awful but not great. He’s doing much better this year. And yeah i know, sometimes – like when Wickman is pitching – even a 22yo Pudge couldn’t throw ‘em all out.

Resident LGT beer kinda sewer

by mauichuck on Jul 22, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jay – You made your point. The last paragraph was unnecessary, unless your goal is to run people out of here who don’t post frequently.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 23, 2008 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t want to run anyone out of here, except people who are abusive.

Contrary to what I wrote, I actually am interested in your feelings — but only as your feelings. I was attempting to make a more general point, which is that people too often substitute their own feelings for actual evidence of something. This technique makes up about half of your comments in this thread:

My wife, who loves Omar Vizquel and hates Peralta, proceeds to scream "Peralta, you suck!!!!" at the TV for the millionth time.

Then Rick Rizz (the Mariners announcer) chimes in with "that looked like a case where Peralta didn’t realize who the runner was". More like a case where Rizz doesn’t realize who Peralta is.

my point was that Peralta didn’t charge the ball because he’s Peralta, not because he didn’t realize that it was Bloomquist at the plate.

My wife generally hates Peralta, I’m kind of so-so on him

Without wanting to chase you off, practically every point you attempted to make was backed up by these feelings … rather than actual facts, or even actual opinions! And then you re-stated your feelings, over and over again, as though this would amplify your point! Well, look, my opinion is that that kind of thing is aggravating the first time, and since you didn’t get the hint after your first or second post, a very unsubtle statement seemed to be necessary.

My goal is to run people out of here who aren’t willing to be held accountable by their fellow commenters for (a) saying stupid stuff and (b) annoying people. If you don’t like that attitude, then you must hate the forums on this site something awful, because that’s basically been the approach for going on three years.

by Jay on Jul 23, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only thing that I repeated was basically “he is what he is.” I backed off about his arm. I wasn’t repeatedly amplifying my opinion regarding his defensive ability… and it’s not a stretch, or stupid or annoying (IMO), to state that there are a wide range of opinions on the subject. If anything, the comments in here support this point.

If you want to debate any element of his defense (range, arm strength, arm accuracy, how long it takes him to wind up to throw, etc.), that’s fine. I’m happy to learn and be corrected when I’m wrong. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if you are privy to statistics that show Peralta’s defense is superior to what people like me with an untrained, naked eye can see.

But that doesn’t invalidate my initial point (my only point, really… stating that there is a diversity of opinion on Peralta’s defense was simply a side bar as I stated). The way Peralta made that play is the way I’ve always seen him make that type of play… it’s not like he went – “Oh crap! I forgot that was Bloomquist! I should have (charged the ball, wound up to throw faster, thrown it harder, etc.).” Rizz doesn’t see Peralta play often, so he doesn’t realize how Peralta makes, or doesn’t make, that play - this is true regardless of his actual skill level. Opposing announcers do that. Thought that would be interesting to people in here who aren’t stuck watching Fox Sports Northwest like I am, but apparently not (to you, anyway).

Now if you would have told me “I saw that play. Couldn’t believe how slow Peralta was that time. It’s like he thought Edgar Martinez was running to first. Wayyy slower than what I saw him do earlier when he threw out Ichiro”, then I would gladly concede the point, call myself an idiot, and drop it.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 23, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The way Peralta made that play is the way I’ve always seen him make that type of play… it’s not like he went – "Oh crap! I forgot that was Bloomquist! I should have (charged the ball, wound up to throw faster, thrown it harder, etc.)." Rizz doesn’t see Peralta play often, so he doesn’t realize how Peralta makes, or doesn’t make, that play

I didn’t see it, and I’ve never noticed Peralta making that play poorly — but who knows, maybe if I’d seen it, it would have looked familiar to me. Anyway, this seems like a perfectly good point to be making, based on our own direct observation. Before, your point seemed to be just that Peralta generically sucks — and that your wife hates him — so that no bad play should be considered a surprise. I think possibly it was hard as a reader to differentiate your telling us about your wife’s extreme reaction from your own serious observation about his abilities, as both of those (and the broadcaster’s ignorance) were all sort of mixed in there together.

Anyway … I see you haven’t been chased away, so that’s good.

by Jay on Jul 23, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs