Game Thread: July 23, 2008
by Ryan on Jul 23, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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Cleveland
G. Sizemore cf
D. Dellucci dh
B. Francisco rf
J. Peralta ss
S. Choo lf
R. Garko 1b
A. Marte 3b
S. Fasano c
A. Cabrera 2b
LA Angels
C. Figgins 3b
C. Kotchman 1b
E. Aybar ss
V. Guerrero dh
J. Rivera rf
H. Kendrick 2b
G. Anderson lf
G. Matthews Jr. cf
J. Mathis c
Free Andy Marte!
From Castrovince…..
This has nothing to do with anything, really, but Masa Kobayashi is wearing a T-shirt that says, “I’m huge in Japan.” It was given to him on this trip by Paul Byrd.
I liked the lineup better last night i think. Who pinch hits for marte tonight with the game on the line?
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
Why do you ask this? It’s sooooooooo obvious.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
I feel stupid. The water in mexico is very bad. That’s it.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha this was really well done. Wow.
by supermarioelia on Jul 23, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Hey TV watchers, let us know when you spot Casey in the dugout.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Good call. Seems like an odd time for a day off. Then again . . . i feel safe in saying showcasing the bearded one to other teams may not be wedge’s top priority.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably just giving Garko more rope with which to hang himself and grease the skids for his impending stay in Buffalo.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not my birthday, but i am supposed to be working on finals now. I welcome the distraction.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I am actually sitting in a study room right now. afh and APV hooked me in w/ Kelvin’s debut, and I stuck around for the gamethread. I’m gonna be here all night.
My lab closes at 8 unfortunately, but there’s always tomorrow. I did enjoy re-reading that thread.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I allowed to avoid the non-drinking rules today? ;)
If so, let’s go Grady, Jhonny, Benny, Choo … all starting for me today in my fantasy league
It’s 5 o’clock somewhere.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a deep league … 10 owners … All positions plus 2 UTIl and a DH with 9 pitchers
I also have Fausto and Hafner
Actually, tied in 3rd place right now …
When I said 10 owners, meant for the AL … have same 10 owners and we all have NL teams too (we moved Pitt to AL to balace the leagues
right now I am using Varitek, Laroche, Roberts, Jhonny and Bautista in the IF, Benny, Grady and Abreu in the OF
Grady and Jhonny are roster worthy in any mixed league. The others are not a stretch in an AL-only league.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
General questions about Blake:
Is he an unrestricted FA next season?
If yes, what kind of contract could he get? I would imagine it would be a multi year deal for 20-30% than he made in 2008.
If yes, than we would be incredibly retarded for not trading him.
Isn’t the main question a comparison between a prospect and the possible picks we will get if he is a type A free agent?
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
FA, yes. There are minor league free agents, but there’s no type of restricted free agency in baseball.
He probably will find a team that will go 3 years, $15-18M. Maybe 2 years, $14M.
I love afternoon games. They make me so much less productive.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
would be the 2nd to no-hit the Royals this year. That’s not good.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Should the error have been a double play?
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Ooh. Was Figgins on the field? I feel like guys always run inside the line on a bunt like that trying to get in the way of the throw.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
Apparently the 3 hole belongs to the shortstop in Scioscia World. He batted Izturis there last night.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?share=1&n1=cabreas01&year=2008&t=b#98:101:sum—.267/.313/.646 in 16 PA.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
Oops, that didn’t work. Try http://tinyurl.com/5uo98u
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
i thought i was looking at a .959 OPS for a second.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Jul 23, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You like how I was too lazy to make a link out of that, but not too lazy to make a tinyurl out of it? Hrmpf.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
Since when did Wednesday become get away day? I thought we were playing tonight. How am I ever going to get any work done?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
Yea. I found out at 3:38 that we started at 3:35 not 3:55 like someone told me yesterday.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Is this a fresh game, or a replay of last night?
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
awesome. was looking for this after i posted in the 2nd half thread.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
jury’s still out on these:
Marte continues to suck
Gutierrez… ummm… is good. (specific, I know.)
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
here’s another one:
IF the Indians are dumb enough to trade Michaels, he turns out to be a steal for whomever gets him.
by westbrook
hhehehheh – he has been decent.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Game tied on what is ruled a wild pitch but more likely to be called a passed ball.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Hammy
no way Ginter clears waivers.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
New long man/spot starter to take over the Elarton role? Mastny or Eddie Moo goes down because of options?
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a thought: BLAKE TRADE or better; LOOCH DFA.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
How many of us have been calling for a Looch DFA for about a month and half now?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I saw this one last night. I won’t ruin it for you though.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally, the game is unstuck from re-run mode.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh wait
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish this comment didnt happen.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Jul 23, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I had that same thought when I logged back on. Crap.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like a script I have seen before. Tribe gets to a pitcher early, then climbs into a hole for the next 8 innings.
Meh.
Obviously, the Indians have not learned the first rule of holes: when you’re in one, stop digging.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You could just send him down. There’s that tasty Mulhern vacancy in Buffalo.
by fleerdon on Jul 23, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Shapiro’s been drawing his free agents out of a hat?
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dellucci hit the crap out of righties in the handful of seasons leading up to his deal. While 3 years may have been too long, the guy just crapped himself.
Paul Byrd’s been pretty nifty. Beats Mark Mulder, Jon Leiber, and Matt Clement. I also consider Blake, Howry, and Betancourt free agents.
Giles was a good target, and Hoffman would have been nice at the back end. The Indians can’t afford “sure-things,” but they’ve targeted decent talent.
And I’m here.
What happened to Laffy? Don’t tell me I’m going to have to throw away this HOF plaque I smelted in June?
Anybody check Peralta’s hot/cold chart? Seven of the nine hitting zones are “cold”.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
Hafner’s a dead issue. I still think that Garko’s a ML ballplayer. Peralta’s future is a third – but probably not with the Tribe.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
He’s not going to win a gold glove at 3B either. He’s not hurting the Indians with his defense at SS. If he was, do you think the FO would really leave him there? The gain in his defense at 3B won’t offset the loss in his offense (SS vs 3B).
He’s not getting any younger. I think I see a loss of mobility over the last 2-3 years and I don’t see him getting it back. With time he’s gonna hafta move. And yeah, I think that our FO misses a few things an makes an occasional mistake.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
The reason the Indians have twice put together a 90-win team is because they don’t make decisions based on what they “think they see.”
A loss in mobility … for a 26 year old? Really? must have been an off-season car accident or something.
And oh yeah talonk, here’s a concept that seems to elude most site residents here: not everybody ages at the same rate.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
No duh Sherlock … but as a glorified physician that you are, you must admit that a guy aging that quickly from 23-26 is extremely uncommon.
Stop pulling crud out of your rear. Am sick and tired of it.
good, maybe you’ll actually defend your rattionale’s for once … instead of being a blowhard
by talonk on Jul 23, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can tell you from experience that car accidents are NOTHING to joke about!!
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I realized you were just joking. I was just trying to be funny.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is a 20+ HR 80+ RBI right handed 3B such a liability, offensively? Im sure there are other plausible SS options, not the least of which is drubs if he pulls his head out of his asshole.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Jul 23, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you not love this guy? He’s just trying to stay out of the ROK Army.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic helmet? What is this magic helmet you speak of?
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sal is particularly talented from his knees.
by Fredward on Jul 23, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want a Fasano/Molina race. Someone should set that up.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
Why so serious?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 23, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOM
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 23, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure we can find out in his blog.
by Fredward on Jul 23, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok. So Kendrick has destroyed the Indians this series, and they’ve only pitched him away. Perhaps its time to start pitching IN.
I think this season is a hard lesson for me in terms of overvaluing young players. We should’ve played it a lot looser, it seems, in trying to get Haren.
I’ve seen it happen to Fausto as well …. even if we had all the rangy guys around the diamond, there are still holes that ground balls find. It just happens.
We do. And probably too much. But it does play a role. For instance, our run differential is +11 and KC’s is -83, and we’re half a game ahead of them.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh, time machine.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I was sure you meant Aybar hit it out.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but maybe if you hum a few bars, I can fake it.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
With this hair, I think he looks like Tanner from The Bad News Bears.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Shucks!!! We’ll never catch them now!
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Although the timecode has you beating me. Let’s call it a draw.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
There we go. It’s a one run ballgame. And Looch is in the lineup!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
sarc
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
is it possible
to regress back to denial? like a mad denial?
i’m looking at the standing think about things that will never happen.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
Angels are going to come in with shields and k rod in the 8th and 9th so better score in the 6th or 7th.
anyone warming up in the bullpen?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
By my calculations, the Angels will regain the lead in the bottom of the 9th.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
How hard did AstroCab hit that?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks. Hard to tell with gamecast
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that irritates me most about the LAA:
The constant praise of Chone Figgins and Garrett Anderson.
Well, just wait a sec for Laffey to give up these runs.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this is an interesting straegy
try to ricashe pitches off the batters to keep them off base.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
am i not suppose to use the subject line or something?
i thought the rules were thown out the window when casey blake became our hottest trade option.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
ok this is getting silly now.. 11 hits now take this poor kid out of the game he doesnt have it today
ive never thought id see a baseball team try and lose a game on purpose but its actually happening rite before my eyes
Is it possible to outsource the play-by-play managerial decisions to someone else and let Wedge concentrate on cultivating the team’s grittiness?
I can.
Defense A: This bullpen is terrible, especially when stretched. If you’re trying to win, you might as well see if you can scratch one more inning out of Laffey. He hasn’t given up more than 3 runs in an inning. It’s not like he totally imploded.
Defense B: Might as well see if Laffey can get out on a good note. His pitch count is low and the season is lost. He needs to have some success or, alternately, learn how to deal with not having his best stuff.
Defense C: Because who gives a shit, that’s why.
alright boys I’m off to home depot to buy some sand paper. Was gonna watch the indians game, but I don’t know if I’ll have time. Busy day.
Okay I’ll do one.
And true.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I always hated the fact a manager will pull a pitcher and then have the new guy intentionally walk the first batter.
If you are gonna walk the guy, have the guy who is getting pulled do the walking fro crying out loud!!
I get this feeling a scary time machine is coming up….
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
Can’t watch anymore. Ugh.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 23, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah this is a rerun. Mathis game-winning HR. I knew it!
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 23, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Makes me wonder what the highest ERA in MLB history is for anyone who has pitched at least at many innings as Mastny this season.
He’s only thown 9IP this season? If that’s true then I’ve grossly overestimated how much he’s played this year. I thought I remembered seeing him pitch more often I guess.
I love how quickly the mood goes from:
“Dangit, bad luck for Laffey! These are all outs that turning into hits.”
to
“THIS IS RIDICULOUS HOW COULD YOU LEAVE SUCH AN INEFFECTIVE STATER IN!”
I think the Nationals would be happy to trade us Alex Escobar – he’s currently playing in AAA Columbus.
Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Jul 23, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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