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The Minors: Kinston

The weather in Washington cooled and the humidity dropped yesterday so my wife and I headed to Woodbridge to watch Kinston play the Potomac Nationals (a Washington National's team) .  I guess because the Tribe's season has been so disappointing I just haven't paid much attention to baseball at any level this season, so I knew fewer of the Kinston players than usual.

Potomac has a pretty good team this year (unlike previous years).  They won their division in the first half of the season.  Kinston finished second, in the other division. Fortunately Kinston won last night's game 7-5 to gain a split of the four game series.

This game happened to feature two 2007 first round draft choices, the National's Ross Detwiler (6th overall) and the Indian's Beau Mills (13th overall).  Detwiler was the P-Nats starting pitcher and Mills started at first base.  Based on year-to-date stats and last night's play the Nat's should have selected Mills.

Detwiler is 5-7 (after last night's game), ERA: 5.44  WHIP: 1.66
Mills is .281/.363/.484 with 15 HRs and 66 RBIs in 374 ABs.

Kinston jumped all over Detwiler early, leading 4-0 by the end of the 2nd inning.  Carlton Smith, Kinston's starting pitcher looked unhittable for the first two innings, but in the third inning came back to earth.  Smith entered the game 7-5 with a WHIP of 1.16 and looked pretty good until the 6th inning.  He had to leave the game when he got something in his eye with runners on first and third, two outs and a 3-1 count on the batter, and holding a slim 7-5 lead.  Neil Wagner (RHP) came on and ended the inning with just one pitch.  He pitched two more perfect innings, striking out three.  He certainly looked better than his stats (2-6, ERA 5.36 in 48 innings).

Ryan Goleski, recently demoted from Akron I believe, played RF and looked lost at the plate and in the field. Nice knowing you, Ryan.

Goedert played 3B.  Early in the game he barehanded a slow hopper and got off a perfect throw that just beat the runner at first.  It was sweet, but in a similar play a few batters later he launched a throw over 1B Mill's head.  The baseball gods are fickle...

John Drennen had a nice game, he went two for five and had a stolen base.

No one else stood out.  However the P-Nat's pitcher who relieved Detwiler - Clint Everts - showed nasty stuff, striking out 8 in 3.1 innings, including 7 straight.

It was a sloppy game with 5 errors (should have been 6).  I hate sloppy games.

Minor league games are always fun.  We sat in the second row, even with third base, and just a few feet from the Indian's dugout to our right.  And the hot dogs were good.

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And the hot dogs were good.

What more can you ask for?

by APV on Jul 25, 2008 11:17 AM EDT   0 recs

Free hot dogs. I managed to bag one at the Kinston-Potomac game on Wednesday afternoon.

8 K’s in 3+ innings is pretty awesome.

by ken from alexandria on Jul 25, 2008 12:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hello APV and Ken,

Everts was considered to be one of the Nationals’ most promising pitching prospects for the past few seasons, but has struggled with injuries (I don’t remember if it was his shoulder or something with his arm,) but he was quite a promising starting pitching prospect for a few seasons.

Whether the Nationals are just letting him regain his arm strength and stamina or if they’re thinking that they will have a better chance of keeping him healthy by having him pitch in relieft, it seems he’s just coming out of the bullpen exclusively this season. His K/9 IP rate is good, though his BB/9 IP is quite high as well.

Certainly last night though, he had his stuff working and Kinston’s hitters couldn’t adjust to it.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 25, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Free hot dogs. I managed to bag one at the Kinston-Potomac game on Wednesday afternoon.

I’m jealous. How was the game?

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 25, 2008 12:35 PM EDT   0 recs

[Damn, this was supposed to be a reply to ‘ken in alexandria’. I feel like a rookie!]

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 25, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kelvin De La Cruz and Josh Tomlin were both awesome in their own distinctive ways. There’s an entertaining thread on Lord Kelvin’s A+ debut over there on the FanPost side (I think that’s where it is). What I liked most was De La Cruz’s ability to throw a strike-and not just a meatball, but a good one-when he had to. He was undermined by his fielders, who were sloppy, to use your word. I liked the looks of Rivero as a hitter—with the glove, not so much.

by ken from alexandria on Jul 25, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FanShot, actually.

by ken from alexandria on Jul 25, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for the info. LeftyCatcher – it sounds like you had fun at the game you attended.

Regarding Rivero, he’s a promising prospect (one scout even said he was reminded of Miguel Cabrera, particularly his size, but I think the scout meant it in a positive way, not a negative way), but there had been talk that Rivero will eventually outgrow the position of SS and likely move to 3B, which could partly explain why Rivero doesn’t look all that smooth at SS.

Regarding Ryan Goleski, you are correct – that is the same Goleski who mentioned he was disappointed that he returned to the Indians’ organization after Oakland returned him in the Rule 5 Draft around a year ago, presumably because the Indians’ organization had many OFers in the system (besides Crowe and others at or near Goleski’s level, but Francisco, Choo, and even Gutierrez were not regularly in the Majors yet at that time).

Unfortunately for Ryan, he is not helping his case of proving he’s ML-ready – it was bad enough he was unimpressive at Akron, but his demotion pretty much confirms (and it was sort of looking apparent before this) that he is an “organization” guy now. Whether Ryan didn’t have the right mind-set, and that’s why he faltered at Akron this season, or he’s just lost the skills he had (which weren’t great, but better than what he’s showing now, and whether that’s due to injury or just a lack of concentration), I can’t say for sure, but certainly, any chance of Goleski contributing something to the Indians’ organization at the ML level pretty much went up in smoke with his demotion to Kinston, being that he is 26-YO.

Goedert has been a bit inconsistent defensively, though I believe that was just his 9th error on the season (I don’t know how many he’s made at 3B, compared to 2B). As for Drennen, it would be nice to see some consistency from him and see him go on a tear – being that this is his second year in the Carolina League, I think most were hoping he’d be ready to make the jump to Akron by now, but that does not appear to be the case at this point. Let’s hope he can put himself (and Goedert can do so as well) in the position to maybe earn a “cup of coffee” at Akron before the season is over with.

As for Wagner (another guy you’d like to see at Akron soon), he was inconsistent with his command to start the season, but has been better of late, with only an occasional hiccup, command-wise. I read that his fastball is second only to Adam Miller’s in the entire Indians’ organization, so he certainly has a live arm and could probably factor in quite well into the Indians’ future bullpen plans if he can maintain consistent command and provide a string of quality outings from here on out. Let’s hope he can do so.

Regarding Kinston, I can’t remember the last time they did not make the Carolina League postseason, winning at least one half of the season in probably each of the last 7-8 years, if not 10 years. However, if I remember the standings correctly, they have work to do to continue that streak, as they did not win the first half and have been inconsistent (again) in the second half. More importantly, though, let’s hope the players distinguish themselves and are in position to move up to Akron late this season or very early next season.

Just my 2 cents. :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 25, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Goleski – he may be sulking or he may be pressing, I couldn’t tell, but it’s sad to see someone flameout like that.

Wagner – I wish there had been a radar gun because he throwing heat. Even my wife noticed that he was not your average pitcher.

Drennen – I liked his stolen base. He kept challenging the pitcher, who was visibly distracted. Everyone knew he was going and when the throw came in to 2nd it was way off the mark and almost allowed him to take another base.

Tremie is Kinston’s new manager this year. Tremie runs a tighter ship. It appears he prefers to keep more distance between the manager and the players. Sarbaugh was much more relaxed. An interesting contrast, and I’m not sure which works best with young players. Tremie is more like Wedge, I suspect.

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 25, 2008 10:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hello LeftyCatcher,

Thanks for the info.!

Interesting about Tremie – I wonder if his “tighter ship” managing could partly explain why Kinston has faltered as much as they have this year. It’s not like Kinston doesn’t have talent on that roster – they probably have as much in projectable talent, if not a bit more, then they have had in the last few seasons, yet they’re struggling, especially offensively.

Sometimes, I wonder if the “tight ship” managing philosophy makes the players too tense and causes them to press too much. Often, I’ve wondered about that with Wedge’s philosophy – which might partly explain why it seems like the Indians seem to buckle under the pressure (2005 – slow start and faltering in that last week; 2006 – slow start and faltering when expectations were high; 2007 – fast start and probably the best they’ve done under Wedge on a consistent basis, but faltering in the ALCS with a 3-1 lead; 2008 – slow start and faltering when expectations were high, though there were more injuries this season than in 2006).

I’m not saying Wedge is directly responsible for their inconsistent and even poor play at times, but I wonder if running that “tight of a ship” is better for more consistent play or if having a looser clubhouse that has more fun and enjoys it more delivers more consistent play.

We’ve heard Wedge say on more than one occasion since he’s been here about “the guys needing to enjoy the process and the game more” – so it seems that his players are often uptight and probably press more than they need to at times, which might at least partly explain the inconsistencies and the dropoffs from one season to the next. I agree that Wedge seems more like the “running a tight ship” type manager, and I wonder which type of manager and clubhouse leads to more consistent play – the “run a tight ship” or the “looser” type manager.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 28, 2008 12:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve always admired Sarbaugh’s style, probably because that’s the kind of atmosphere I’d like as a player.

Kinston isn’t doing badly under Tremie. They have the 2nd best record in the Carolina League and are just 2.5 games behind Myrtle Beach.

I think it’s tough to manage in the minors because you are constantly losing your best players throughout the season, and you can’t complain because it’s all for the good of the parent team.

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 28, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hello LeftyCatcher,

I think I would like Sarbaugh’s style better too if I were a player – I wouldn’t want to be too uptight before trying to deliver on the field.

Thanks for the update – I haven’t checked the Minors standings lately – I did not realize offhand that Kinston was only 2.5 games back of 1st place and had the 2nd best record in the Carolina League.

I agree that it’s tough to manage in the Minors with all the roster moves and such. I know that the parent club takes precedence; it was just a bit surprising for Kinston to struggle this season, when arguably, their projectable talent level is better this season than it has been in the past few seasons, but of course, just because you have better talent doesn’t always translate into more wins.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jul 29, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OT, but we are talking about the minors, so did everyone see the fight in the Peoria-Dayton game last night? Fifteen players and both managers were originally ejected, but were later reinstated to avoid having pitchers playing in the field. The pitcher who started it all, by firing a ball into the opposing dugout that ricocheted into the stands striking a fan, faces criminal charges.

by FredOx on Jul 25, 2008 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

saw the video on espn. disgusting.

i have no problems with brawls in baseball. it happens.

i do have a problem when a guy uses equipment, especially bats or balls, as weapons.

and it doesn’t get any worse when you use one as a weapon, and an innocent bystander, who just happens to also be a paying customer/fan of the sport, gets seriously hurt in the process.

lifetime ban from baseball for that pitcher seems right to me.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jul 25, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A fan video. It’s a little uncomfortable the way they cheer like it’s a gladiator fight, but what are you gonna do.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 25, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Based on the article it seems like the umps should have intervened earlier in the game. When there are only two umps at these games you don’t want benches emptying.

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 25, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he hit someone in the crowd with a ball. I mean, how bad do you have to be that you can’t throw a heater into a dugout?

by ASP on Jul 27, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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