CC Sabathia
by afh4
on Jul 6, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
The nineteenth pick was Tony Torcato. Then twenty-first pick was Jason Tyner. The twentieth pick was CC Sabathia. We weren't lucky; we were providentially blessed.
In two short years you arrived, precocious and adorable, in the truest sense of the word: befitting of being adored. You wasted no time in making it clear that you were going to be good; very, very, very good. You trotted that massive frame out to the mound 33 times that first year, grinning from ear to ear, striking out 171 batters in 180 innings, striking out 11 batters in a game thrice, throwing that fastball even as Einar Diaz (Einar Diaz!) shook it off, setting off a hat fashion trend that's still reverberating, winning 17 games, breaking your broad indefatigable back for us, building a bridge from the heroes of the present to an uncertain future with a single certainty in it: CC Sabathia.
You were perfect on account of your imperfections. A uniform that could house 3 Asdrubal Cabreras balanced by a heart that could house an entire sputtering, collapsing city. Magical physical abilities, stuff that dared batters to even try, heat, heat, heat balanced by emotions so big that they didn't fit in that gigantic uniform or in that gigantic heart; emotions that spilled all over the pitching mound and the box score, emotions that marked us all as believers. You were not a clinician in pinstripes or a surgeon from Atlanta; you were a real, living, outsized human being that rolled with us. With Cleveland.
You didn't stay that way though. You grew up and a whole generation of us grew up with you. By 2003 I was in love with two things: a senior from Brooklyn and you. You weren't a bright spot on a bad team, you were a beacon shining from the future. You were promising us from across time, swearing to us that the future was not frightening; it was exciting and incredible and you were waiting there for us. You were waiting for us and you had friends. Friends who could hit and pitch and beat the Yankees.
And then you went and hid. You tested our faith, you made us ask if you were real, had been real. If you weren't just some figment that we'd conjured up, a #2 imagined to be an ace. Some of us doubted more than three times and the cock kept crowing but, luckily, we weren't in charge. Shapiro knew what he had, he was steely eyed and confident; he was looking at a draft pick that he would never have made and thinking "This looks like a Plan."
The reward was greater than anybody could've predicted in 1998 or 2001, or even 2005. You had two Cy Young seasons in a row, winning the hardware once. You were a horse, a monster, pitching 433 innings with a 3.21 ERA. You struck out 381 batters. You delivered. You personified a team and defined being an Indians fan for a generation of us. You screamed at us: "I am this at 25 years old! 25!"
You were and are a tumult of youth and ability, a teenager slamming on the gas pedal, a dare, a challenge, guns blazing, hip-hop, rock and roll, a momentum shifter, momentum itself, the founding father of the coolest nation in the world, smiles, first kisses, a Raiders fan, heat heat heat, the old man of the staff, the best young pitcher in baseball, a golden left arm, Fausto before Fausto, a family man, splatter painting, hitting a 9-iron 220 yards, danger, Pablo Picasso, the Declaration of Independence. You were not and are not corporate, bland, or Northeastern. Thank you for all that you've been and have not been; thank you for everything.
I broke up with the girl from Brooklyn a long time ago; I'll always love her in some way. It's the same with you, like it or not. We don't want to see you go but we, like you, grasp the realities of the situation. Take Cleveland with you; put some of the dirt from the mound at the Jake in your back pocket. Hell, that mound is yours anyways. Go and continue to pitch just like you always do, go and infect a whole new city with the delightful virus that is your personality. Go be you. Go strikeout 9 guys like it's nothing, go pitch 9 innings like it's nothing, go yell at the sky in some new stadium. We'll be staring, rapt as always. The only difference is our eyes will be moist now, we won't be able to congratulate you without getting a lump in our throats. We'll have always known you when.You came to us a prince and you're leaving a king. Go get your ransom, CC. You've earned it.
Oh, and CC? Don't ever come down and in to Grady Sizemore.
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This is the note that you sent to the cute girl in junior high, knowing she’s out of your league, but figuring its worth a chance. Because maybe, just maybe, she roots for the underdog too and will think that you’re different and worth a shot.
We’re worth a shot, C.C. Take your little fling, we’ll be here waiting for you if you want to come back. Oh, and just in case, thanks for everything.
by Fundamentals on Jul 6, 2008 11:05 AM EDT 0 recs
sorry i can’t be as accepting about his departure what with the happy nostalgia and all…he had a chance to sign with the team he supposedly loves and he didn’t…he’s the same as manny and thome and soon to be lebron…they will all leave for the money…sure he’s a great guy and i wish we could keep him but he’s as greedy as all the rest…which isn’t his fault its just that baseball has turned into more of a business than a game
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on Jul 6, 2008 11:11 AM EDT 0 recs
But there is no news this week, and there won’t be, about Sabathia re-signing. We had news about that in the offseason, and there will be more news next offseason. This imminent trade isn’t about whether he wants to be here or not.
by Jay on
Jul 6, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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This imminent trade isn’t about whether he wants to be here or not.
Oh yes it is. He couldda signed this winter, or at the start of the season, or the day before the trade. And he didn’t
Booooo Thome!!! Booooo Manny!!! And now Boooo CC!!!
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by mauichuck on
Jul 7, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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I guess. I still root for Manny and Thome. I was happy we got to the playoffs before Thome ever did, but I hope he ends up hitting 600 HR’s and goes into the HOF as an Indian.
Manny is my favorite player, and pure talent. Probably the best hitter I have ever watched.Hate that they left, don’t hate them.
in 10 years, I’ll be hoping CC gets his 300th win, and remember 2001-2008: the Sabathia era.
by DaytonDogg on
Jul 6, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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Why do fans get angry when players leave their team for more money, when 90% of them would leave their current job if another employer offered them more money? It’s so hypocritical. CC isn’t being greedy, he just wants to make the most money he can. Most people would do the same thing with their job.
Also, LeBron won’t leave Cleveland for more money. The Cavs can offer him more money than any other team. In the NBA, teams can exceed the salary cap to resign their own players.
by Buckeye Brad on
Jul 6, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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1. Thank you, Mr. Obvious. Since this forum was only started two days ago, it stands to reason nobody has yet made this point.
2. Wrong. Endorsements.
by Jay on
Jul 6, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Regardless of where he ends up, I won’t be getting rid of my Crooked Cap jersey anytime soon
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 11:12 AM EDT 0 recs
If CC’s done in Cleveland, he’ll leave with a career record of 106-71. His career numbers with Cleveland aren’t as great as it seems they should be, mostly because his career in Cleveland bridged the gap between one good team (2001) and another (2007). He only really makes it to the all-time Cleveland pitching leaders list in strikeouts, 6th in K/9IP (just behind Bartolo) and 5th in all-time Ks. Interestingly, he’s probably only two starts away from passing HOFers Bob Lemon and Early Wynn and move into 3rd place. He pitched a single post-season game as a rookie, getting a win against Seattle in Cleveland’s 17-2 blowout. Last post-season he struggled, of course, but put up a spectacular regular season.
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 11:19 AM EDT 0 recs
Life is painful sometimes. Your dog gets run over, you’re best friend moves away – far way. The best we can do is enjoy our life, our friends, our pets, our larger-than-life heroes, each day we have them. There are people in Burma who have nothing.
CC will do what any sane person would do for his family, sell his talent and hard work to the highest bidder. I would. You would.
Thanks for the great writeup afh4. CC is special and we have been extraordinarily fortunate to have him on our mound and in our uniform for as long as we did.
by LeftyCatcher on Jul 6, 2008 11:24 AM EDT 0 recs
he could of done what gilbert arenas did…bud shaw wrote about this on cleveland.com…he quoted arenas as saying…”What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can’t do with $111 million?"…how much money does it really take to be happy…apparently for c.c. that amount is more than what the indians could offer and off he goes…
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
Jul 6, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
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Very true.
The sad thing is that many would agree with CC taking the large sum of money over the long-run benefit of the family. CC is in a very good place with great stability. Picking up the family to another city where expectations will be extremely high is a big risk.
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by Spidey on
Jul 6, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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You realize he doesn’t even live in Cleveland full-time, right? I suspect his kids don’t even go to school in Cleveland.
by afh4 on
Jul 6, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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Yes. And, I can’t blame him if he chooses to move closer to their full-time home. On the other hand, if he has a good balance right now, he should take that into account.
I can’t assume anything. Maybe he is miserable being separated from his family. If that is the case, I hope he finds a team that accommodates his needs (though I would not go as far as giving Carter-esque family planes). But, if he has a good working situation now, any change in teams will bring a change in his work-family balance.
Your letter to CC is great and he has earned the right to make the optimal choice for his needs. Based on what I know, I hope he plays for the Dodgers or Giants, at whatever salary they give him. He can be close to his family and be an ambassador in his city.
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by Spidey on
Jul 6, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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His family lives in Westlake with him during the year but he always has, and apparently always will, consider Vallejo, CA his home.
I think the whole “uprooting” angle is overrated. C.C. is a contract worker who travels for work; he’s not going to move his family to wherever he goes and adopt the place like some players do. Millions of Americans make this sort of situation work-it’s how Chuck lives his life.
I agree that I hope C.C. ends up wherever makes him happy and I assume it will be the West Coast. You’re also right that he’s earned the right to make this choice-he’s not bound to Cleveland by anything other than a silly policy called the draft and he has embraced Cleveland, a hard place to love, admirably. However, he’s never said he wanted to live his whole life here.
That whole end piece is probably pointed more towrd HireRC’s comments than yours.
by afh4 on
Jul 6, 2008 12:03 PM EDT
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Just as an aside Adam. Yep, I’m an itinerant engineer, moving from job to job. A few years ago I did a 20 month stint in Hawaii and it was just marvelous being home almost all the time. I’ve been looking for a job that pays ~85% of what I make now that’s based in Hawaii ever since. If I ever find one, I’ll give this traveling thing up in a minute.
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by mauichuck on
Jul 7, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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Sanity is a relative thing when it comes to large sums of money. If CC truly values getting the most money above everything else, then he should go to the highest bidder. If family were highly important to him, then money would not be important in this decision. When you get down to the difference between $17 million and $21 million, that is rather insignificant when you measure it up against family needs and balance.
Now, I can’t assume what CC’s family life is like right now. If it is in a good place, I would not take a risk changing the dynamics and environment for 15-20% increase in salary. Maybe, he knows in the back of his mind that he will go to the west coast to be close to his family. But, if he signs with the Yankees, Red Sox, or some other east coast team, I know what my conclusion will be about his “priorities”.
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by Spidey on Jul 6, 2008 11:36 AM EDT 0 recs
its that type of money focused thinking that makes us the farm system for the rest of the mlb
There's always next year...and the next year...and the next year...
by HireRockyColavito on
Jul 6, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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To a point. One thing I can say about money and salary is that it is the barometer for a player’s performance, and if he is a competitive individual, he will want to get the highest salary possible (at the expense of other needs in life – that’s the trade-off everyone makes).
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by Spidey on
Jul 6, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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No, that’s not the trade-off everyone makes. Most folks go for the highest salary available to them because the delta will make a significant difference in their quality of life. Yet it’s not that uncommon for people to make counter-economic decisions about their careers, even when it will affect quality of life — and in particular, people make that choice on an enormous scale when they choose their careers in the first place.
by Jay on
Jul 6, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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That’s true Jay, people often make counter economic decisions. The culture in baseball has been built up differently, for whatever reason, and seems to encourage going for the biggest deal possible.
Either way, best of luck CC, and I hope your new deal is a great one for you!
by MTF on
Jul 6, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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No, the culture does not encourage that. In fact, quite the contrary — the clubhouse culture very much encourages players to re-sign with their current team. I think it’s actually a small minority of players who feel that every player should get as much cash as possible “for the sake of everyone else.” I think the average player recognizes that every free agent is a millionnaire — at this point, almost all arbitration guys are millionnaires — and the average player respects a guy who wants to stay with his current team.
Because of this, most players (among those you would want to keep) choose to extend their contracts prior to free agency for less than the market would have paid. There is less publicity surrounding these events, however, because they often happen before a player’s impending free agency becomes a media crisis. Among recent starting pitchers alone: Halladay, Beckett, Oswalt, Peavy, Buerhle, Zambrano.
by Jay on
Jul 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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that makes me even more mad at c.c. for cutting off negotiations in the offseason…thanks
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by HireRockyColavito on
Jul 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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I’ll add one more thing — in C.C.’s defense.
Lots of players want to stay with their current teams, and I think many and maybe even most of them are willing to give the hometown discount — the Gilbert Arenas thing. But there’s a difference between being willing to sign under-market and being wiling to sign a contract that your peers will say was just stupid. I don’t fault a guy for having limits as to how much of a discount.
In that sense, C.C. finds himself in a bind, because there is a massive gulf between (a) the highest/dumbest bidder in baseball’s cap-free market for free agents, and (b) the Indians’ understanding of what makes for a responsible contract for any team, let alone for their own. Not only was the Zito deal irresponsible, it would have been irresponsible to give that deal to Santana or Sabathia.
The Indians say, more than three years is unwise. Four years is for a special player, personally and professionally. Five years is for once-in-a-lifetime — and Sabathia is right there. We know too that that Indians will cap the salary offer at around $20 million, possibly a little less — and it has been reported that this is not really an issue where C.C. is concerned.
What we don’t know is how far some other crazy-ass team will go, but if the Yankees were willing to give 32-year-old A-Rod a guaranteed $275 million, then how can we claim to know that they won’t offer $150 million to this 28-year-old C.C.?
I once pegged the Indians’ max offer to C.C. at $105 million, and I don’t think there was too much disagreement about that. We have a pretty good consensus in this group that the Indians should not be offering more than that — many feel they should offer nearly that much.
The question we haven’t addressed is, what’s the maximum we reasonably can expect C.C. to give up? I don’t know that I can blame him for walking away from $50 million — and I don’t think I can even say that it means he didn’t really care about playing here. I think we all have to ask ourselves how many things we care about enough to walk away from $50 million — even if we already have $100 million.
Let’s take the scale way down. Many people reading this have a net worth in the range of $200,000. You’d like to be more comfortable, perhaps more set aside for your kids’ educations, but you’re already not really sweating bankruptcy (especially if you have 200K in net worth even after real estate collapses). You might care about a whole lot of things in your life outside of your family — the people you work with, your softball team, the community at your church, fill in your own thing — and one of those things might really, really matter to you, might be a significant part of your identity or embody your values in some way — they might be in your heart.
But if someone offered $100,000 to switch jobs, to switch softball teams, to switch churches? And that other job might also be pretty good, could be a great bunch of guys on that new softball team, could be a wonderful group of people at that other church. Could you really say that it makes sense to say no?
by Jay on
Jul 6, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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I think that comparisons to Arenas’ decision to forego salary are invalid. Arenas plays in a sport with salary caps and his decision allows mgmt to sign better players to play around Arenas. This potentially improves his quality of life in the near future and could result in even more compensation later if it results in future team successes. Nothing in baseball compares to any of this logic.
by elsandito on
Jul 6, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
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Why not? Just because the league doesn’t have a salary caps, but teams still have budgets.
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Jul 7, 2008 12:32 AM EDT
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also, because i’m pretty sure arenas just said that as a PR move, because I don’t think he actually was offered the max salary.
by DaytonDogg on
Jul 7, 2008 1:21 AM EDT
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Sorry, the $200k comparison just doesn’t work. Family economics is not linear, it’s quantum. Once you buy the groceries and pay the rent you piss the rest of it away. You can eat filet mignon every day and live in a 17,000 square foot house but once you meet that quantum ~$1m per year in my example – the increase in dollars does not translate to impoved peace of mind.
It’s not about marginal quality of life improvement here, or family security even. It’s greed pure and simple.
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by mauichuck on
Jul 7, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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As far as the significance in "quality of life" it depends on the size of the delta (real and relative) and the economic environment.
Actually, all decisions have an economic and non-economic component. We have to trade-off limited resources (time, money, etc.) with the value we get in return (money has no intrinsic value, but it leads to more choices and options). The question is whether people make a conscious effort to consider all of the costs that go into a decision, no matter when and how it is made. I believe many give short shrift to the non-economic outcomes (read "The Paradox of Choice" by Barry Schwartz for a great review of research on this topic).
So, when a career choice for higher salary eventually leads to more time at work and less time with the family, I believe that person truly did make a decision about counter-economic needs in their life. And I do not fault the person for making that choice if money is their goal. However, if that person complains about not having time to enjoy life, or spend time with the family, or starts singing "Cat’s in the Cradle" I won’t be feeling any sympathy.
(Side note: I realize that some have little choice but to take the salary to put food on the table and live in a safe home, but we are not talking about that situation here).
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by Spidey on
Jul 6, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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I just hope we can flip him for someone who will break our hearts 7 years from right about now.
by ganatz on Jul 6, 2008 12:06 PM EDT 4 recs
That’s all you can ask for: a player who during his time with your team, plays hard, excels, embraces the community, and makes you proud to root for him. It still won’t make the parting painless, but it’s better than not having anyone at all to fear losing.
by Ryan on
Jul 6, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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As far as the significance in “quality of life” it depends on the size of the delta (real and relative) and the economic environment.
Actually, all decisions have an economic and non-economic component. We have to trade-off limited resources (time, money, etc.) with the value we get in return (money has no intrinsic value, but it leads to more choices and options). The question is whether people make a conscious effort to consider all of the costs that go into a decision, no matter when and how it is made. I believe many give short shrift to the non-economic outcomes (read “The Paradox of Choice” by Barry Schwartz for a great review of research on this topic).
So, when a career choice for higher salary eventually leads to more time at work and less time with the family, I believe that person truly did make a decision about counter-economic needs in their life. And I do not fault the person for making that choice if money is their goal. However, if that person complains about not having time to enjoy life, or spend time with the family, or starts singing “Cat’s in the Cradle” I won’t be feeling any sympathy.
(Side note: I realize that some have little choice but to take the salary to put food on the table and live in a safe home, but we are not talking about that situation here).
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by Spidey on Jul 6, 2008 12:18 PM EDT 0 recs
sorry for the double post. My touch pad is rather touchy in this humidity.
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by Spidey on
Jul 6, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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J’Marcus Russell is just as big as CC, if not fatter… some serious irony in that pic. Oh, and I hate the Raiders.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
by westbrook on Jul 6, 2008 12:30 PM EDT 0 recs
This was painful. I’ll happily root for him to succeed wherever he ends up (except NY) but it will be incredibly hard to do so.
He’s a big talent and one of the those handful of pitchers you’ll talk about for the 2000 decade.
by mjschaefer on Jul 6, 2008 12:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice write-up. I’m going to miss CC. He’‘ll always be one of my favorite players.
by amarie on Jul 6, 2008 1:00 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice write-up. Part of what makes CC so likable—his emotions, his obvious passion on the mound—also constrains his effectiveness as a pitcher. There were many occasions when he unraveled after a broken-bat hit or a weird bounce. And his desire to excel in big games and the postseason overwhelmed his control. His emotions often hurt his pitching. As he gets older he should calm down and become an even better pitcher.
by odradek on Jul 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Well. I’m just a great big mush ball today.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
by AngG on Jul 6, 2008 1:49 PM EDT 0 recs
Here here…onward and upward. There was Charley Nagy (huh?), there was Bartolo Colon, there was C.C. Sabathia, and they’ll be a next. His name his Fausto, let’s enjoy the show.
by xrickx on Jul 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT 0 recs
Or is it Lee, or is it Westbrook, or is it Laffy? No its not Aaron, because he’s the next Sowers.
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This is it, CC has been traded 7pm the paper work is being done but thats what i heard
by Tim1122 on Jul 6, 2008 6:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Hey, Andrew: Thanks. Every so often, it must be fun to be you.
by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 7:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Thanks Andrew, this is fantastic.
I’m really, really going to miss CC in an Indians uniform, but I won’t miss him exactly—because I’m still going to watch every damn one of his starts for the rest of the year, and probably next year too, wherever he ends up.
by mrich on Jul 6, 2008 7:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, I thought of you as I was writing this. It wasn’t till you’d mentioned that it really started to sink in; I hadn’t even conisdered that his last start would be in Chicago.
Realizing that it kind of got me to this point. He very well might be the best pitcher I ever see in a Cleveland uniform. It’s sobering and fantastic.
I hope he gets the ovation Omar got x10 when he returns.
by afh4 on
Jul 6, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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And I thought I was teary-eyed during the “My Wish” segment. That first game is going to be nuts.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 6, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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Oh, absolutely, he better get a 20 minute standing O next time he pitches in Cleveland. Jesus Christ. CC gone… still can’t quite wrap my head around it.
Say, Milwaukee is just up the road from here…
by mrich on
Jul 6, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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Rangers fan here...
...kinda indifferent to the deal… but…
i would like to say that this was a really cool read. our franchise can only dream of ever producing a pitcher of C.C.’s ability… i can’t even begin to understand what a blow this is… to the team… to your city…
it’s nice to know fans care that much though…
by oc on Jul 6, 2008 11:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Thanks. Just for that, I hope Neftali Feliz lights the world on fire.
Steel Nick
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Jul 6, 2008 11:08 PM EDT
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And a Brewers fan visiting as well...
Very cool write-up. I was mostly looking at this as a great boost on the mound for the rest of the season. But I look forward to watching and rooting for someone who can inspire such admiration from his hometown fans.
I am an Indians fan in all things AL, so I hope that LaPorta lives up to every bit of his potential and picks up where Pronk left off. For that matter, I hope Pronk figures out what’s ailing him and goes back to hitting some of the most impressive HRs I’ve ever seen.
Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."
by DaleCoop14 on Jul 6, 2008 11:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Neyer linked to this in his blog today. Not sure if that does anything for you Andrew but there it is.
by NickFantana on Jul 7, 2008 2:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Really?
Can I get a blockquote or something? My insider is dead.
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Jul 7, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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Never mind. Knew this ESPN the mag subscription was good for something.
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Jul 7, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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While reading this write-up (thanx andrew!!!), it just so happened that Photographs and Memories by Jim Croce popped into my MP3 player. So in honor of the big guy and apologies to Mr. Croce:
Photographs and memories
Great seasons you sent to us
All that we have are these
To remember you
Memories that come at night
Take us to another time
Back to a happier day
When we called you ours
But we sure had a good time
When we started way back when
Complete games with lots of Ks
Oh how we loved you then
Summer skies and easy flies
Nights we couldnt say good-bye
And of all of the things that we knew
Not a dream survived
Photographs and memories
All the grit you gave to us
Somehow it just cant be true
Thats all we’ve left of you
But we sure had a good time
When we started way back when
Complete games with lots of Ks
Oh how we loved you then
by talonk on Jul 7, 2008 4:14 PM EDT 0 recs
The secret to great pictures is Flickr. Not all of them are available for public use.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jul 7, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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It's CC
jeez
Fred Garvin.........................male prostitute
by Fred Garvin on Jul 7, 2008 8:23 PM EDT 0 recs
I think he thinks periods shouldn’t be used.
And that is obviously a very big deal.
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