Dodgers seeking offensive SS

GM Colletti claims he is now more open-minded about dealing young players such as Kemp, Loney, Ethier, LaRoche in exchange for a solid offensive SS, preferably one they can keep beyond this year.

If the Tribe-Brewers deal goes down and SS Escobar is included, might we see the double-switch?

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I’m sure it would take a whole hell of a lot more than Peralta to get Kemp.

I’d definitely explore it. Wow, what if we got Loney? We’re looking at a really different infield by July of 2009.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 6, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Indians seeking offensive offense

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure the offense is already offensive to most…

by Fundamentals on Jul 6, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Peralta has to be one of Cleveland’s most valuable parts that they could afford to trade (although it would hurt). Who we get in return for CC might set the stage for additional trades involving guys like Peralta or Shoppach.

by APV on Jul 6, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shoppach has done pretty nicely for himself. He’s not walking at all, but we knew that, and his power is showing now two years in a row. Just shy if not over an .800 OPS isn’t out of the question for him given a full season of playing time. The one concern (other then the walk rate) is the high BAbip, but he’s had high BAbip for the past three years

by hans on Jul 6, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d really need some convincing to swallow a Peralta trade. That seems like about a Swisher-grade deal to me.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we need to consider that Jhonny has become a Crisp type of player — solid contributor overall but not an impact guy. For about a week earlier in the season, he was on pace for 33 home runs — he had 11 through 54 games. Since then, he’s got exactly one home run in 34 games. His range apparently has improved this season but has never been great and will never be great — which makes him a weak fit for this particular team.

I can argue Jhonny’s merits both ways — and I have — but the bottom line is that like Crisp, add it all up and he’s not a real lynchpin, and like Crisp two years ago, he’s about to be less of a bargain than he used to be. We’ve paid him about $4 million so far, and he’s owed about $9.5 million through 2010. Still a bargain, to be sure — not a guy we’d move for financial reasons — but not the bargain he has been or that we hoped he’d be.

If we can get significant talent in return, I think we have to trade Peralta while the iron is hot. With his perceived downsides, I suspect we’ll get more for him in July than we would in any December. His new team can also sell him to the fans on the basis of his great postseason last year—.333/.396/.595 in 11 games, 6 R, 14 H, 5 2B, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 5 BB, 11 K. And I know, that just makes you want to keep him, but you have to remember … we’re not going to the postseason.

Sorry.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh my god, we might actually trade jhonny, i am scared about this

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There’s nothing to be afraid of. Teams are built in strange ways.

If we do trade Jhonny, it’d better be for somebody good.

by jhon on Jul 6, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Hu wasn’t out indefinitely with blurred vision, he’d be the perfect return SS for Jhonny.

I know Matt Kemp is a god, but Jhonny Peralta makes Kemp look like Joe Sewell.

I just dont think Colletti is the type of GM who really understands Jhonny’s value. But he also gave Juan Pierre $45M, so I’m not sure Colletti grasps value at all. I’d take Laroche for Peralta, but I’m not sure I like Dewitt as much.

by xrickx on Jul 6, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Connecting the dots in a weird way … is it possible that the Dodgers are interested in J.J. Hardy more than Peralta … and we’re going to get Hardy in the Sabathia deal and spin him over to the Dodgers?

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haven’t heard any of the Hardy rumors of late, though. Who do the Brewers then install at SS? Escobar?

by xrickx on Jul 6, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good start, with the convincing. Here’s my next roadblock: Who the heck is going to be in our infield next year?

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tyler Houston/3B, Deivi Cruz/SS, Bip Roberts/2B, and I’m pretty sure Bob Hamelin’s available at 1B.

by xrickx on Jul 6, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Subquestion: Are we reaching the Coco Point with Garko as well?

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garko started at Coco Point, briefly left it for 2007, and now is back at Coco Point.

Coco Point is the name of the resort I’m opening.

by afh4 on Jul 6, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garko’s always been at the Coco Point.

by xrickx on Jul 6, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garko is below the “coco point.” He is not a solid contributer overall (to use Jay’s definition) and certainly is not an impact player. He probably was a Coco type player last year, but this year he’s been really bad. No power, clogs the bases, weak fielder, etc. Jay said somewhere else that he belongs in the minors. I can’t disagree with that at all.

by peter m on Jul 7, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When’s the best time to visit the “Coco Point”. I have some free time in the off-season.

by APV on Jul 7, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s actually not clogging the bases. That would be wonderful.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 7, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he were on the base paths, he would clog them. He doesn’t walk anymore, 25 walks through 80 games. But then he didn’t walk much last year: 34 BBs in 484 ABs. Last year on 3-2 counts he hot .241 with a .446 OBP. This year he’s .147/.310. That’s terrible.

by odradek on Jul 7, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely not.

You reach the Coco point by becoming a solid, established contributor.

Garko reached it at the end of 2007 and would have solidified it with a repeat in 2008.

He is not Coco now — he’s essentially worthless.

by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think I’ve accidentally overrated everything about 2007 except for Fausto and the Raffies. Their 2007s cannot be overrated.

by afh4 on Jul 7, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

is Coco Point in Kokomo?

by talonk on Jul 7, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rotoworld saying the Dodgers are “zeroing in” on Jack Wilson. I mean, I guess a guy with a .690 career OPS is offensive, in one way or another.

by ASP on Jul 7, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

According to the Beaver County Times, the Pirates might get Kemp for Jack:

“Two sources indicated the Pirates are having a hard determining exactly which players Los Angeles would give up in a trade. A Dodgers source indicated that Los Angeles might be willing to deal center fielder Matt Kemp. The 23-year-old right-handed hitter, who has both power and speed, is considered a potential superstar.”

That sounds about right.

by odradek on Jul 8, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs