Game Thread: July 6, 2008
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oh…I see he’s DH’ing. Maybe we’re showcasing Blake’s versatility.
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw in one or two parts bourbon and it sounds like a tasty Sunday cocktail
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That Carroll 1st pitch bunt was one of the dumbest things I’ve seen all year. Instead of a potential 8-10 pitch AB, it’s 1 and accomplishes next to nothing.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Its been great to watch. I’m pulling for Federer, but just doesn’t feel like it right now. I hope I’m wrong.
i’m with you…but it’s anyone’s match now going into the 5th set
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Shoppach rounding into form.
The Twins announcers are intolerable. They are lamenting how Garko hasn’t filled in for Hafner’s missing power.
Really? ou cover the AL Central?
adding…I know tennis can be kind of lame. but this is good stuff
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
saw 5 minutes. its better than golf. i won’t go any further than that.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
I can watch the final round of major championships…but I have a hard time going further than that.
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I like anesthetic-free hemmorhoid surgery better than either golf or tennis.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
you would know about that better than most of us, I would think
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The Los Angeles Dodgers are out of the running for C.C. Sabathia, according to a major-league source, an indication that the Milwaukee Brewers may be nearing a trade for the Indians’ left hander.
What
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yes…I think so. Maybe with details worked out tomorrow. But I think today is the day and I think the Brewers will get him. They’ve been my favorite partner the whole time.
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well it’s true, he has played in just 85 games this season.
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that’s way down from his 162 the previous two seasons
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean, he’s leading the damn league in home runs. jesus people are dumb.
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
HOORAY ESPN VOTERS
Who should be the American League’s starting second baseman?
42.3% Ian Kinsler
26.0% Dustin Pedroia
10.0% Placido Polanco
7.9% Brian Roberts
4.4% Mark Grudzielanek
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
By far, the biggest slight in All Star balloting.
Hell, I’d rather have Ian Kinsler on my team than Josh Hamilton.
did kinsler not make the team? are you serious?
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
kinsler made it. reserves are up. see link below
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
except for this
62.6% Josh Hamilton
26.0% Manny Ramirez
25.2% Carlos Quentin
22.6% J.D. Drew
22.5% Grady Sizemore
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Man, Tennis, Indians, All Star Selection, Reds game, CC updates… turned into a good sports day… I’m on overload.
i hate to say it, but the NL team looks better
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
bummer. the indians won’t have home field advantage in the world series this year
The Cleveland Indians: Minor League Farm Team Affiliate of the MLB
by HireRockyColavito on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how in the name of all that is holy can you not fault a guy for hitting like stephen hawking with runners in scoring position?
The Cleveland Indians: Minor League Farm Team Affiliate of the MLB
by HireRockyColavito on Jul 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you mean “the Buffalo Bison formerly known as Cliff Lee”
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
fukodome is stealing a spot on that NL squad though.
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
from Pat Burrell, I think. Couple guys got really robbed: Phillips, Reyes, Wright, Burrell, Longoria, Dye
I kind of think he’s underrated. Handles the bat extremely well, has a little pop, can run a little, is an absolute beast on defense. And he’s 25.
Yeah, to echo APV, I think the defense is a little overstated.
That said, I think I’m just inclined to dislike high average low power guys. They’re boring.
Other than Vic though, what catcher is better in the AL?
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
yeah, we are spoiled- i bet there are only 4 or 5 players in any given year that will OPS+ over 100 and catch over 125 games.
FYI, Huntsville (Milwaukee’s AA team) plays tonight at 6:05. It’ll be interesting to see their lineup.
Green and Cain are both in the lineup for Brevard County (Brewers A+)
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Goldfish, but I’m eating Cheez-it’s right now and they are wonderful
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Cheez-its.
Actually, right now I’m eating Cheez-it Twisterz—cheddar and more cheddar. They’re absolutely AMAZING! If you love cheese crackers, these are the best.
Cheez its
Goldfish
Twister ones
in that order.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
if you had told me that going into the All-Star break we’d have two of the leading contenders for the Cy Young, and that they’d be Lee and Sabathia, but that we were in last place…I would have assumed the team had a plane/bus crash
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think being on a last-place club will prevent Lee from winning a Cy Young award?
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
unless he’s WAY ahead of the other contenders, yes
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t mean on this site. Most people here realize his value (along with the occasional frustration). I meant on other places I read (cleveland.com, swerb’s blurbs, etc.)
Jhonny!!!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 6, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
I just watched the original Kubrick version of “Lolita” last night.
/shudders
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Hafner’s ineffectiveness?
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
If Hafner’s ineffectiveness was caused by his injuries (a real possibility), I would put it up there with bullpen trouble as our top problems.
Opposing commentators constantly saying “This team is in trouble because Hafner is not in the lineup” is ill-informed and wrong. This team won with a bad Travis Hafner a year ago. Hafner is no longer even close to one of the most important players on this team.
you are very wrong, in my opinion. “Bad” Travis Hafner still OPS+’d at 118, that would be good for second best on the team right now. He is by far the farthest away from career numbers and reasonable expectations compared with anyone else on this team.
And speaking of 118 …
We got 257 TB and 103 walks out of the DH spot last season — that’s about 2.22 bases per game.
This year, it’s 102 TB and 29 walks — about 1.49 bases per game.
Take the difference, multiply by 162 games, and you get … 118 total bases, drop off from 2007 to 2008.
Bases aren’t runs, of course, but I would still say that is a very significant problem.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We are talking past each other.
The point is that Hafner falling off totally and going on the DL was unexpected but not crippling. It was the domino effect of literally every possible replacement being terrible that was crippling.
And, more to my point, opposing teams talk about Hafner missing as the key point to the season. In actuality, if this team had held together it would’ve been relatively easy to fix the DH problem through a trade. But this team didn’t hold together. Much larger problems than DH were:
1-All corner OFs.
2-Bullpen.
3-Fausto
4-Jake
5-Vic
6-The entire IF being bad for the first three months
To state another way, opposing commentators constantly act like this team requires greatness from Hafner to succeed. That’s assinine. It requires barely medocrity from a combination of Hafner and a passle of other guys.
How is it that the corner OF problems were worse than, or even distinct from, the loss of a productive Hafner?
You have about 19 key positions on the roster — five in the rotation, nine everyday players, maybe one key bench guy and four relievers. One of those key positions is DH, and we have done about as badly at that position — and have suffered as much of a dropoff from expectations — as from any position on the roster. It probably is our second-worst performing position this season, compared with expectations, trailing only “main setup guy,” and not by much.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe what I’m trying to communicate is that I agree that zero DH contributions have hurt the season. But I don’t agree that Hafner missing time should have decimated the Indians’ lineup.
Well of course not. But his lack of contribution has been as big of a problem as any other one player or position, and Hafner is way more famous than those other guys.
You seem tense. Were you unhappy with how your Sabathia piece turned out? I thought it was good.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So maybe we should take Hardy, if available.
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Federer/Nadal tied 6-6 in the fifth set. No tiebraker in the final set, so they’ll keep playing until someone wins by 2.
Sabathia’s last home start in Milwaukee: W, 7 IP, 1 ER, 10 H, 7K
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
LETS GO CLIFTON
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Post-game press conference:
“Yeah…I suppose I could have taken Lee out back there in the 7th. But it was 7-7 in the 5th set at the time. Frankly, I just didn’t notice. My bad.”
by APV on Jul 6, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d stay away from the bullpen too. Cliff Lee put on a bunch of guys who have no business being on base. It’s a shame, bc he had this game won.
Lee in tight 7th-inning spot is still better than most of our relievers … possibly all of them.
by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be on NBC
Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.
Sky Sport One
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 6, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: The Indians trail, 4-3, bottom of the 8th.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Jul 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Castroturf saying on his blog “according to a MLB source”, it’s a done deal for LaPorta and two other prospects.
When he was unhittable, watching Betancourt pitch was like watching a great Hitchcock thriller, with the suspense building until it reaches a shattering climax. Now that he sucks, it’s like having to sit through some endlessly tiresome Mel Gibson movie.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
i’m only listening and sitting here because i’m hoping a trade is announced after the game
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
No team can roll over like an Eric Wedge team. Good luck CC, wish we could join you.
by oxforddave on Jul 6, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and the 2003 team ended up winning 68 losing 94 and that team finished 25 games ahead of last place Detroit
do Shapiro and Wedge think they can do that well this year? no matter how many games they win this year they are not likely to finish 25 games ahead of the worst team
Pardon my french, but who the &$x%x cares how many games they finish ahead of the last-place team, or if they’re the last-place team? Will finishing in fourth place make you feel better?
I’m (not-so) arbitrarily faulting Wedge for this loss. Why did he keep Lee in there throughout the 7th?
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