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Can we watch the press conference? If yeah, how?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
The Brewers have their presser set for 11am CST—which I do believe is noon over in these parts.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
Any significance to the fact that the article says two additional prospects beyond LaPorta (the discussion on LGT has been about three—AAA pitcher, A pitcher and maybe Green as player to be named later.)?
12:30! That’s when I watch “Golden Girls”....damn life’s choices!
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Am I right in thinking this trade doesn’t change the rest of our trade outlook going forward this season? By which I mean, the expendable players we had in Cleveland two days ago are still the expendable players we have now. And the essential, non-tradeable guys are still the same ones, as well.
If anything, as has been alluded to here, it makes certain people even more expendable. I have to say, I wouldn’t mind making some trades for some pitching prospects (is there any new news on Jhonny to the Dodgers????)
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
the biggest variable in Shapiro’s approach will depend on his assessment on Hafner; he stated that during his press conference last week. He was pretty confident that Carmona and Martinez would come back healthy and productive this year. He treated Hafner with much less optimism.
He’s not going to have much to go on during the season. He will have to make most of his assessment of Hafner in the off-season.
If he can’t count on Hafner, he has to take a different approach to retooling the team.
I think they really only have a few non-tradeable guys, and that hasn’t really changed: Sizemore, Fausto, Victor, maybe Lee, Laffey, Asdrubal. I don’t know that they’re shopping guys like Garko or Francisco or Peralta or Perez, but I’m sure they’d trade them if the deal were advantageous.
I agree with those who’ve been saying this isn’t going to be a fire sale—I’m sure they’ll try to get something for guys like Dellucci and Byrd, probably trade Blake (since he’s likely to bring something in return), and they might even trade someone like Carroll (if the return was worthwhile). Garko may get traded in the off-season, particularly if he recovers a bit and makes himself more marketable.
Lee hasta be untouchable. He’s been our #1 starter from the beginning of the season, and we’ve got him on contract until what? 2011 I think. He’s our rock in the starting rotation. Carroll should be another high value trade piece. He’s the only insurance we’ll have in the IF next year. He stays unless one of the Brewer guys shows that they can play in a ML infield. Garko won’t bring a bag of balls at this time.
Blake will return a lot more than I think most on this site think. He’s next, I think.
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I basically agree about Lee. He’s been great and he’s not expensive. But, I can’t help worrying that’s this year is a mirage. Maybe I’m just too much of a cynic.
its no mirage. He’s doing it. He’s striking out more, walking less and being pretty damn efficient with his pitching. Now theres no guarantee that he doesn’t slip back into old habits next year, but there is no reason to think that this is some sort of smoke and mirrors thing (kinda like Sowers when he first came up and the peripherals didn’t back it up).
I am hoping to move Francisco as well. Hopefully trade him while his value remains relatively high due to his hot start in the bigs, I don’t view him as a long-term solution.
team has a club option on lee for 2010 at 8 mill. Its tough to call Lee our ‘rock’ considering he’s been all over the board for 5 years. I’m not saying that you definitely try to move him, but he’ll be 30 before the season is over, and you just might get something real shiny back for a career 101 ERA+ guy.
We contended in 2007 with a 73 ERA+ over 100 innings out of him. We aren’t when he’s the best pitcher in baseball. I have a tough time finding a huge correlation between having Cliff Lee on the roster and contending
Right, the performance of Cliff Lee in both seasons played no part into contending. If he was an established anchor in the rotation like those two were, I would say definitely hold on to him, but right now he’s a career 101 ERA+ who could net you quite a lot of talent, a truckload if Woody Paige gets to run a team anytime soon. I’d just be very open to the possibility.
Wedge and Blake could be traded as a package.
by palcal on Jul 7, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am but it came on too late to hear the official announcement of who was included..
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Slash am wondering why they keep calling CC sa-bay-thia.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I heard that too..
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
...and Bryson.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Jul 7, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the same as what was already reported. Nothing new, except that I thought his name was suh-BATH-ee-uh, not suh-BAY-thee-uh.
He's extremely quick and good.
I’ve heard it both ways. I have no idea which one is actually correct.
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
Attanasio is being very frank. He’s acknowledging that the Brewers are gambling six (cheap) years of LaPorta for a few months of Sabathia, basically acknowledging that they’re probably not going to be able to re-sign him, and that’s before the other prospects are taken into account. Still, I like the gamble, and he obviously does too. It’s nice to see people so excited.
He's extremely quick and good.
Recap, from Castrovince:
“the last-place Indians will receive a batch of Minor Leaguers—outfielder/first baseman Matt LaPorta, right-hander Rob Bryson, left-hander Zach Jackson and a player to be named“
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
I still think the Brewers need more quality in that bullpen. It’s great to have Sheets/CC giving you quality starts .. but if they are turning the ball over to Riske or Mota, it negates their value.
Fuentes would look pretty awesome in that pen …. but you have to wonder if the Brewers would be willing to give up more prospects to get him.
you know what? i’m most excited about bryson, i swear to god. A RELIEF ACE!!
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
at this point he’s sooo projectable though.
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not THAT projectable. He has good stuff, but not amazing stuff. He throws in the low 90s, topping out at 95, and has an inconsistent slider.
He's extremely quick and good.
i cannot remember the last time i saw one of our relief pitchers throw 95
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and Cabrera had a sick slider too, and look what happened to him. Bryson is, unfortunately, a long way away.
He's extremely quick and good.
yeah the deal is Laporta and Green/Brantely. Bryson has some upside, but is so far away that it isn’t even worth really counting on at this point.
man. i was just trying to be flippant. let me dream about relief aces please
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, Bryson, though used mostly in relief, was not looked at as a reliever by the Brewers; they were just keeping his innings down. Now, how the Indians view him, I can’t say.
He's extremely quick and good.
More Castrovince:
“It is believed the player to be named will either be Class A third baseman Taylor Green or Double-A outfielder Michael Brantley, both of whom are considered prime prospects. [...] The last linchpin of the deal is the player to be named, and that player will likely be the second-most prized acquisition for the Indians. Green, 21, was the Brewers’ Minor League Player of the Year last season. This season, he is batting .295 with 10 homers and 54 RBIs in 81 games at Class A Brevard County. Brantley, 21, is a speedy center fielder who is batting .324 with four homers, 34 RBIs and 25 stolen bases in 74 games at Huntsville.”
and
“The Brewers moved LaPorta to the outfield because he was road-blocked by Prince Fielder.”
This part confuses me; isn’t it a foregone conclusion that Fielder is going away when his contract expires, which I think is this year? I thought that was a big part of the “win now” strategy in Milwaukee.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
OK
We should go on the record as to who we want the PTBNL to be. Green or Brantley?
I’m down with Green, a 2B with good on base skills and some power, sign me up.
Either. I trust the people who say Green is the better of the two, but I dig Brantley.
So, to not answer your question, I guess Green.
Steel Nick
Green is the better of the two, but has less upside. Green might be Mark Ellis in a perfect world, while Brantley could turn into a lot of things, especially if his power keeps developing. Check out his BB/K and his age.
He's extremely quick and good.
I’m assuming you are referring to mark ellis offensively, Ellis is one of the if not the best defensive second baseman
No, I’m referring to Mark Ellis the baseball player. Green is a natural second baseman that was shifted to third to cover an organizational deficiency.
He's extremely quick and good.
Except for Ellis was still in College while Green has already posted an OPS in the .800s in high A at age 21. I think capping Green at Ellis is a little bit premature at this point.
Actually I think I’ll say a little more now that I look at it. Green is posting an OPS over .800 in high A two years younger than Ellis did the same in high A. Green is on a path ahead of Ellis at this point, and if you and others agree that his defense is as good as Ellis’ than he’s a legit stud prospect assuming that he moves back to second base.
Except that baseball players aren't stat lines
Green doesn’t have the tools to be a “legit stud prospect”. He’s one of the guys that the label “grinder” gets attached to. You just can’t say “well, he was better than Ellis at this age, so we’ll just project him linearly from there only shifted up two notches.
He's extremely quick and good.
Ah balls. Forgot the subject thing again. You crazy assholes.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 7, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Haha, I like that of all the things I’ve posted here in the last couple days, this is the one that got rec’d.
He's extremely quick and good.
Well you can cheer. Me, I’m gonna boo the big tub of goo every time I can.
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Well cuz he’s no different than Thome or Manny – he took the money and left. You fellas are just niaive enough to buy all the PR BS. I’m not.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
Me neither.
Do you boo a teacher that leaves a school to go to a better-paying school? Do you boo a construction worker that changes job for higher pay?
if it means i get a worse education or a worse building as a result, i probably do more than boo him. and i sure am not going to hope the kid down the street gets a better ed than me or that my neighbor has a better house.
and when i’m at a game, i sure don’t boo anyone, that’s just lame and uncreative, but i sure as heck am not going waste my time rooting for him on some other team
I don’t think we are buying any PR BS. He said he wanted to stay but intends to hear all the offers. He said it nicely, but it isn’t BS.
By making his intentions clear, by signing his last extension prior to 2005 without a no-trade clause, and by becoming a great pitcher over the past three years, he allowed the club to reap far more value as he was leaving than we did with Belle, Ramirez and Thome.
I appreciate that — I appreciate if nothing else that he was more mature, sophisticated and circumspect about his situation than Thome was. Thome said things he never should have said and didn’t back them up, and he made it clear he had no interest in waiving his no-trade clause.
The result was that even with the lucky benefit of the best compensation slots anyone has ever gotten, we lost the player with very little to show for it. Snyder and Miller have been worth zero to the major-league club — arguably Snyder has been a negative costing us a couple Rule 5 guys while delivering nothing — and as of this moment — despite a five-year head-start — our return for Sabathia is already worth more than our return for Thome.
I do thank Sabathia for in part making that possible.
Take this test: During the offseason, Steinbrenner sells the Yankees and buys the Indians. He persuades the new Yankees owner to swap rosters with Cleveland. Do you root for Joba and Derek in a Tribe uniform or do you root for Grady and Fausto in a NY uniform?
I will tell you how this relates to CC, but only if you take the test and answer the questions first.
The answer is I hate the Steinbrenners. I hate everything they—and whoever their team is—stands for.
I’d feel awful rooting for a team that held that kind of advantage over the rest of the market.
In the unlikely event that this would ever happen, seeing as the world is already upside down, I might as well go ahead and root for the deposed Indians (as in, Grady and Fausto).
That, or Go Brewers.
Steel Nick
I weep, because I know the Indians are about to go bankrupt. The Indians’ revenue base can’t support that kind of payroll, and Steinbrenner has never spent his own money (aside from borrowing against the team’s exploding equity), and regardless of whether Steinbrenner also swaps management teams or not, we’re not going to see a winning team for many years.
Aside from that, it would take a long time to transfer loyalties in such a severe way, but of course eventually we would. I daresay the key element for almost all fans is that it’s Cleveland’s team — not the players, not the owner, and not even the club name if push comes to shove.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Everyone loves to make the laundry joke, and rip on fans as being subject to the players. But they work for us, not the other way around. And we’ll idolize who we want to idolize (Vizquel), and dump on who we want to dump on (Blake).
But also, it’s not just the empty Cleveland name that ranks above the players/owner/club name, it’s the community of fans to which it refers. That community is the entity, even if the only other Indian fan you know is a crazy uncle.
by dgcambridge on Jul 9, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This site can’t get an “ignore” button fast enough.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Jul 8, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In Hawaii a “grinder” is a sub sammich. What you talkin’ about and who you callin’ an asshole?
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Don’t you want to ask him if Green is at least violent?
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It goes without saying that he’ll scrap – he’s a professional ball player after all. What I wanna know is: is he willing toe throw down with some Yankee fan while riding the 4 Train to Yankee Stadium?
That’s the kinda guy I want playing on my team.
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I’m talking about results. his results measured by using the statistic OPS indicate that he does in fact have the tools to be a prospect. And actually I will do exactly that. Unless you are a scout or have access to scouting reports on Green, than we only have whats available online to look at. So if you can back up your argument that Green doesn’t deserve credit for his stats at his age I’d like to hear it. If its more about you wanting to believe that the Brewers didn’t give up too much in trading for CC than that’s something you’ve got to deal with.
I don’t think battlekow has shown much bias in that direction. Obviously he’s read reports about the guy for several years — nothing more, but also nothing less.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d give him that credit, in that its a guy from his system. But, I think referring to Green being Ellis in a perfect world is a little premature, particularly looking at how Green has been able to hit at a younger age than Ellis did. But if we scrutinize LGTers when they say a player “looks” like he isn’t any good or “looks” like a gamer, than I don’t see where battlekow should be given a pass on this. If he can point me to something that backs up what he is saying then I’d give him credit for his assessment.
BA had him as the Brewers’ 17th-best prospect coming into the year (yes, that was after his minor league POTY season):
His tools aren’t impressive, but he has great instincts and knows how to play the game. His maturity and work ethic rate highly. Green has good plate discipline, works the count an takes walks if he doesn’t get his pitch. He drives the ball well to the gaps but projects to have average power at best. His speed is slightly below average, and his range and arm strength at third base are just adequateBrewerfan.net’s post-2007 comment:
Taylor has a very quick swing and his body is muscular enough that he could probably hit 20-25 homers over a full season. On top of that, Taylor plays a pretty good 3b and can still play second base. I watched Taylor play a lot this year, and the person he reminds me of most is Jeff Cirillo. He may never be a star, but he could be one of those guys that’s right on the cusp of stardom for years.Brewerfan.net’s 2006 draft scouting report:
Green’s best tool is his bat, as he uses quick, strong hands that allow him to employ a smooth, line-drive swing from the left side of the plate. Right now he has more doubles power than home run power, and he exhibits a strong eye at the plate. Green will slide over to either second or third base at the professional level, as he doesn’t have the ideal range to stick at shortstop.BP’s Kevin Goldstein did not have Green among the Brewers’ top 14 prospects coming into the season.
He's extremely quick and good.
His tools aren’t impressive, but he has great instincts and knows how to play the game. His maturity and work ethic rate highly.
This is almost exactly what BPro had to say about him during the offseason.
I’d be happy with Aaron Hill’s 2007 for Green’s career. Of course with less defense.
Steel Nick
Melvin just asked for clarification on the pronunciation of Sabathia.
Which is good, because both he and the owner were pronouncing it incorrectly for the first ten minutes.
Because if he did, he’d be a woman.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Jul 7, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To paraphrase Shapiro:
The PTBNL component is a very aspect of the value to us, and I understand it’s a hard thing for you (press) to wrap your arms around.
Steel Nick
Whoops. That’s what happens when I type while watching TV.
Very critical. Very important. What have you.
Steel Nick
He also said that he thinks that the PTBNL has a chance to become an “everyday player” for the Tribe. He described LaPorta as a potential “core player,” and didn’t use any language like this for Bryson (or Jackson.)
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant that he didn’t describe Bryson as “having a chance to become an everyday player at the major league level,” which is how he referred to the PTBNL. My point was to position the PTBNL as someone Shapiro seems to think pretty highly of.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
I’m going to see Mahoning Valley and Akron in a couple of weeks, I wonder if I get to see any of these guys?
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
“At the moment we have no active conversations” re: other trades
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Hopefully only in Akron. I imagine the Indians will start LaPorta in AAA and Green / Brantley in AA.
Who the hell know with the pitcher, hopefully he is up to AA.
Hello Cols714,
If you’re referring to Bryson, it’s unlikely he’ll see AA in 2008 unless it’s at the very end of the season or if it’s due to a short-term call-up to cover an open spot for Akron that can’t be filled easily otherwise. Bryson is only at Low-A right now; I could certainly see him being called up to High-A Kinston in the near future, but AA Akron isn’t likely until sometime in 2009 (maybe to begin the season, though latter first-half or early second-half seems more likely at this point).
Regarding Bryson, does anyone know whether the Indians see him as a long-term reliever/closer or do they see him as perhaps a strong middle-of-the-rotation or possible front-line starter down the road? I know the MLB article mentioned that it will be interesting to see whether he becomes a reliever with a two-pitch power combination or if he becomes a starter with an interesting above-average to power fastball- power slider- decent changeup combination. Will the Indians give him every chance as a starter first or will they keep him in the bullpen? Just curious.
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Shapiro smiling makes me think everything will be okay.
by mjschaefer on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Surprising….I would think he’s ready for AAA.
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 7, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, maybe just to make sure he’s comfortable? Otherwise what do you lose by sending him AAA? That Jordan Brown wouldn’t get at bats?
You probably could work in both Brown and LaPorta at AAA, especially if Aubrey is called up. While Brown is not LaPorta, Brown is still a legitimate prospect and needs at-bats as well. No offense, but Brown is not Ryan Mulhern, who is no longer a prospect and hasn’t been for the last few years – Brown is considerably better than that.
By most accounts, Brown, I believe, is the better defender at 1B, so either give him most of the 1B starts and have LaPorta shift between DH and the OF, or have them split evenly between 1B and DH if you don’t want LaPorta in the OF (though the Indians reportedly have said that they are comfortable with LaPorta’s ability in the OF, and one scout, I think, said that LaPorta moves well enough out there that he’ll catch the balls he can get to. Therefore, it sounds like LaPorta doesn’t have great range, but won’t look lost out there either, so he may work in LF – you could work him in there at Buffalo, especially since the OFers there now don’t look to have great chances of contributing at the ML level – Cooper almost certainly doesn’t, and Snyder’s chances don’t look much better either at this point. Therefore, there’s no real logjam in the OF for LaPorta to deal with at Buffalo, so both he and Brown should get plenty of ABs and defensive repetitions).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
“guys in their last contract year” = Blake & Byrd
“something bigger and more creative” = Peralta, Shoppach
Shapiro explaining compensation draft picks to reporters. hahaha
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
I like how Shapiro talks to the press like they are idiots. “I know it’s a little bit confusing…”
I am not being sarcastic. It seems entirely warranted.
Agreed. Shapiro sounds like he would get along quite well on this website.
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by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
“you’re right, long division can be difficult. But with some hard work, patience, and a little luck, I think you, Paul Hoynes can do it. Sheldon…well, that’s what calculators are for”
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
yeah he’s been pushed around and now does a late night show, and most of the post game shows for the Indians for WKNR
Pushed around? I think his stint in jail a couple years ago for running a gambling operation was responsible for the move more than anything.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
OH WAIT, I’M THINKING OF DRENNAN. Sorry.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I too am surprised, as I haven’t listened to him since WKNR was on the 1220 spot on the radio – I seen him interviewed by one of the local stations last night.
He was complaining about two things regarding the trade:
1. “Matt LaPorta, the best prospect in the deal, is only at AA.” He was implying, “Is this the best deal we could get?”
2. “Why make this trade now? There’s still 3.5 weeks left in the trading deadline and who knows what could happen between now and then.”
My response to #1 – thanks to a post on LGT, the Brewers’ system keeps certain groups of prospects together (something I was not aware of before reading that post – thanks for the info.), so LaPorta probably could handle AAA in the very near future (even now, perhaps), but was kept at AA with Gamel, Escobar, Salome, Brantley, etc. Therefore, to imply LaPorta is not that good because he’s only at AA is erroneous in my opinion.
My response to #2 – The Brewers’ offer would certainly have declined in value if we had waited, being that they wanted Sabathia to make 2 starts before the ASB. As for other teams, I’m not sure they had the impetus Milwaukee had in making this deal, and outside of Tampa Bay, I’m not sure the other organizations’ farm systems had the same depth to make the kind of deal that involved a reportedly “can’t miss” prospect. And, as implied, TB was not willing to go to the lengths Milwaukee was willing to (due to the fact Sheets will likely be gone after this season and the fact that Fielder could be trade bait due to the falling out between the Brewers and Fielder/Boras).
Therefore, waiting to make a deal likely would have resulted in us getting less value for Sabathia, not more. It’s possible something could have happened (say, an injury or something) that may have caused another team to decide to “go for the gusto” and given us comparable or close to comparable value to the package we received from Milwaukee if we had waited longer, but that would have been a sizable gamble on the Indians’ part and could have been backfired in their faces, resulting in considerably less value than we got from Milwaukee.
And, let’s face it, #1 pitchers are not commodities that grow on trees – it’s not every day you trade the quality of pitcher like a Sabathia, so you have to make sure to get the most value when you do pull the trigger. The Indians didn’t feel the value would get any higher than this, even up to the July 31 trade deadline, so when the “iron was hot” in terms of value, they jumped on the deal, and worked it out where it came to fruition.
As a result, I think Brinda is way off-base, but as I recall, he often was – no offense to him, but I’ve heard better (in terms of knowledge) on the radio and have heard/read more insightful commentary (including here at LGT) than his commentary.
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
deal doesn’t get done without the ptbnl
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Shap obviously is thinking about one individual guy as the PTBNL, saying “the deal doesn’t get done” without him. Gotta be green.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
Could be Green (waiting to see him play some second base) and could be Brantley (waiting to see about his injury), I suppose. But clearly (to me, at least), it’s one particular guy, not an either-or situation. Which makes me wonder what happens if the targeted guy doesn’t pan out (i.e., Green doesn’t satisfy in his 2B trial period, or Brantley’s injury lingers or worsens), since “the deal doesn’t get done without him.”
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Jul 7, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Antonetti better be as charismatic as Shapiro is. I will miss Mark’s press conferences when he is gone.
I hear he’s sick of having to manage such a small budget.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the rumor is that Antonetti was promised the GM job (so he wouldn’t bolt to St. Louis) and Shapiro would move on at some point.
I wish it didn’t seem too far fetched to even dream about re-signing CC.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
reporter talking about standing pat in the offseason …. god
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh – he works for the Plain Dealer, and is another guy who is often “off-base,” no offense to him.
Why would he even consider about standing pat in the offseason – heck, we, a team with virtually no chance at the postseason, are still 3+ months from the offseason, and he wants to know if we’re going to stand pat in the offseason? What is up with that? I don’t think Shapiro and company are thinking about 2009 just yet in terms of who they are going to sign or who they are going to trade for. They’re likely thinking more about who they can trade and acquire before the 2008 trading deadline (the first one, at least is over.
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
I have the sense that the Indians could have done better. I have no basis for this, but it is just how I feel. In short, I am underwhelmed right now.
Can anyone alleviate my queasy feeling?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
LaPorta’s gonna OPS 880+ next year in over 400 at bats
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Where?
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by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
For a second, I thought that read OPS+ 880. THAT would be awesome!!!
by Buckeye Brad on Jul 7, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be that the PTBNL doesn’t have a face yet that is making me feel weird about it, but I’m not sure. I mean, has there been an announcement that the PTBNL is definitely not Gamel?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Was actually just asking if this is something that has come up. I haven’t been around to follow the talks uber closely, unfortunately.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You think he’s crackin’ a Miller Light?
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i barely listened to the question, but man it was dumb
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is this turd asking questions? It’s like he wants to make Shapiro cry or something.
He's extremely quick and good.
Three great months ≠ ace.
If that’s the standard, we’ve had about 25 aces since Gaylord Perry.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re looking in the rearview mrror – I’m looking in my crystal ball. He’s real alright. He’s got all the ingredients. Hang on to this one too – along with my glowing projections for Garko. Lee’s gonna be great for the next four years.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
20 bucks to the first person to find and smash Chuck’s crystal ball.
by NickFantana on Jul 7, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shapiro avoided answering whether or not they view him as a late inning guy, maybe not decided on whether or not they will stretch him out to be a starter or reliever.
“good stuff and dominant performance to date”
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
If you can follow this guy’s train of thought you need help.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy is brutal. You are not a car-radio commercial voice over man.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
...unless he is.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
could we not have a better press conference on here?
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 7, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
What Shapiro really wants to say:
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Jul 7, 2008 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
tip of the pinky, i think.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If the reporters weren’t complete morons, they’d ask a specific question about Garko, and what acquiring LaPorta means for his future. They won’t.
Garko and Hafner’s future. From what I’ve read LaPorta projects as a DH – it maybe why the Brewers were willing to trade him.
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Kirkjian said he’s a better RF than people think. Arm is above-average.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But he’s going to continue taking grounders at first, and Shapiro made it sound like he might get some playing time there later in the season. I think the Indians see him as a first baseman in the future.
Shapiro said as Laporta gets closer to Cleveland, they’ll work on defining his position more based on big-league needs
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when did LGT turn into, “Let’s Get These Reporters”?
If you all are so smart why aren’t you there now asking the questions? Obviously it’s not that hard to join the media.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Full Disclosure: I’m a member of the media, albeit not a reporter and I’ve covered more Cleveland press conferences than I wish to remember.
Trust me it isn’t that hard to get a press pass, it just takes a little professionalism.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously it’s not that hard to join the media.
Tabler84…can we get a statement?
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you listening? 75% of these questions were absolutely horrible.
Since we are all so smart, none of us would ever want to be one of these reporters anyways.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we would all love to be at the press conference, but to have these jobs each and everyday? eh, not for me.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Jul 7, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well thats exactly what I want to do. I’m a journalism major and hoping to land an internship at the Dealer. Then cover the Tribe. It’d be sweet.
Then you too can be called an idiot by random internet dudes.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck mjschaefer. Get used to stories about the good-ol-days when the papers you will hopefully work for had resources.
by PatBordersHelmet on Jul 7, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
also…having worked at a newspaper before, it sucks. I wouldn’t want to do it for a job…ever.
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Print media is going nowhere, and it’s full of overworked jerks. I did appreciate the impending deadline, profane screaming matches that pretty much resulted every Saturday night during my internship. Great people, really, but kind of a miserable rollercoaster of a job.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
If you’ll talk to Jay and my friend Scott Raab – hell Jay himself – he’ll tell you that the pressure to produce a daily blog on time is even greater. This is why many journalists are in awe of Podnnoski. He preduces 10s of thousands of words weekly just for the hell of it. And it’s profound and lucid too. This is gonna be the gold standard for blogging in the future. Try it sometime and feel the pressure.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
I don’t think it’s even greater. When you have to produce every day, in any medium, that’s essentially the pressure of being a professional. It’s more or less all the same beyond that point.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a larger part of the reason I stopped sports blogging, to be honest. I appreciate bloggers who take themselves seriously and professionally (obviously), but it’s just not something I, personally, found rewarding enough to justify the time I was putting into it.
Hard truth: Your eyes lie.
And it was, for me, the main reason I went looking for a partner rather than starting my own thing.
by Jay on Jul 7, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If newspapers were smart—they’d go totally local and metro and leave the national/international stuff to the networks and net. Why waste space and resources recapping what most people already know?
I did a Google image search for "Andy Marte." It turned up zero results.
it was my experience that for the people who did it well, it was a huge amount of work in terms of both hours (often very irregular) and effort, with very little return (in $$ or satisfaction). few of them had much of a healthy life outside of the newsroom. the older ones were not really happy people.
by APV on Jul 7, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if mjschaefer is mistaken, but KLaw had something similar to that as his article header today
by millionairesrow on Jul 7, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kurkjian probably looked at the camera with that doofus school project face he has and told everyone very earnestly about how Sabathia is the only Carten in Major League history! EVER!
He's extremely quick and good.
Jay Mohr just had a great Shapiro anecdote. Paraphrasing him:
“I was in town a couple years ago playing the Improv.. Kenny Rhoda came to my show and took me to an Indians game. Because I was with the big local sports guy, I got to go down on the field. While I was down on the field I got to talk to Mark Shapiro, who was there with a little old South American man. I asked who he was and Shapiro says that he is Eniar Diaz’s grand father. He had never left his home country before and was in the US on a 48 hour visa. I said that I hope Eniar played well tonight. Shapiro said:
‘Eniar isn’t playing today.’ “
I enjoyed that one.
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