PLTBN in CC Trade
With all the talk about the player to be named later in the BIRD trade... it got me thinking could it be possible that Shapiro throws a curveball at all of us and one of the players to be named later ( in the CC deal) is on the current Brewers 40 man roster.... I think this is highly unlikely but anyone with more knowledge know if this is possible?? or if not has anyone heard anything more besides lucory, brantley, green, and possible cain ...
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It better be Brantley. I will fight anyone that disagrees.
by Toxicadam on Aug 14, 2008 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello Andrew,
No offense, but I’m a bit surprised you’re still sticking with Lucroy – he’s really fallen off since that hot start, as you can see by his page.
I think I would take Brantley, Green, or even Cain over Lucroy, who is 22-YO at High-A and really falling off with the bat. I’m not sure he’s Toregas’ equal defensively either, so I’m looking at Lucroy as perhaps a solid catching prospect, but not one that is exceptional like Santana or even with an exceptional skill such as Toregas’ defense.
Just my 2 cents – no offense.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you see this is the greatness that is the PTBNL, we get to let the season play out a bit and see who still has it and who might have been a fluke
by hans on Aug 14, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly unrelated given he’s almost certainly not on the list, but Gamel has been dreadful since the deal.
by CBusSteve on Aug 14, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah’s he’s ran himself into quite a slump recently..
by hans on Aug 14, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe his absurd BABIP is finally leaving the supernatural realm
by APV on Aug 14, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And being that he’s at age 22 in the Carolina League and a college draftee, he needs to keep hitting at a high level to really be a notable prospect. Otherwise, he’s “okay,” but for the second-best prospect in the trade for our ace, I’d like more than just an “okay” prospect, especially since the prospect was supposed to be “significant,” which signifies more than just “okay” to me.
Just my 2 cents – no offense.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello Steve,
I noticed Gamel has been striking out a ton lately – his BA is still around .330, which is good, but he was hitting about .370-.380, which puts a bit of a damper on that .330 BA.
It seems many of the scouts think that LaPorta is the legitimate “super” prospect, whereas Gamel is seen as a notch or two below him. Gamel is still a very good prospect, but LaPorta is considered as close to “can’t miss” as you can get (though we know there are no guarantees).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel may be younger (by months anyways) but age isn’t everything as this comparison points out, Laporta’s track record of excellent hitting over Gamel’s (who only really exploded this season and may now be heading back to his normal numbers) is enough to make Laporta the safer and smarter pick of the two.
by hans on Aug 15, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone so high on Brantley? He has a decent bat with good plate discipline and some speed, but he has no power and apparently he’s very shaky defensively. BA even calls him a 4th outfielder. We already have Brantley in our system in the form of Trevor Crowe. While he’s older, he also has more power and a better glove.
Atleast with Green or Lucroy you have players that can stay in the infield and have more tools than Brantley.
by JP_Frost on Aug 14, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is 21 in AA with a .401 OBP. That’s why I like him
by Roger Dorn on Aug 14, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very good, but I’m angling for an infielder as well. Particularly Green — it would just be super to have a second baseman worth a darn in the system.
by fleerdon on Aug 14, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is arguably why many think of him as being a better prospect than Crowe – while Crowe showed a solid OBP at High-A, he was 22-YO. Brantley showing comparable or better skill a level higher and a year younger.
He would likely fill that top-of-the-order quite well and give us that leadoff hitter/speed guy at the top of the order, which would enable the Indians to move Grady down in the order and utilize his power more, if they choose to do so (and I think it will happen at some point).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, but JP_Frost still has a point, He’s still a Crowe/Ellsbury type of player. What do those players do when they make it to the bigs and big league pitchers realize that this type of hitter isn’t going to hurt them by hitting for power and just start blowing fastballs by the hitter. There goes the walks, there goes the OBP and you are stuck with an empty batting avg. and no power. This type of player doesn’t help out much unless he’s able to avoid striking out and can draw a decent amount of walks, and even then he better be playing a skilled position and stealing bases. There’s alot that can go wrong with this type of hitter.
by hans on Aug 14, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. Add to that the fact he doesn’t play a premium position and you’re left with perhaps a solid bench guy, but not a valuable everyday player. From the corner outfield spots you’d expect atleast a .800 OPS and I give Crowe more chance of reaching that than Brantley. The system is also filled with 4th outfielders, so I just don’t see a need for him.
Moving Grady down has been a much discussed topic and maybe it’s the wrong time to bring it up, but I’m very comfortable leaving him there. He’s one of the best leadoff hitters and he’ll alot more PA’s in that spot. I’d much rather have a solid #2 guy which Green could become.
by JP_Frost on Aug 14, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello JP_Frost,
I respect your opinion about Grady, but I disagree.
Personally, I think Lofton’s skill-set in his prime made him the best leadoff hitter the Indians have had in the past 20-30 years. Grady is not in that same mold.
Pitchers threw fastballs more often when Lofton was on base because they had to be aware of his ability to steal bases. Grady doesn’t have that same type of speed. Pitchers need to be aware of him, but Grady isn’t that pure base-stealing threat at the top of the lineup like Lofton was. That helped the #2 hitter (and also the #3 hitter when Vizquel was aboard, another guy with great stolen-base ability).
Our best offense in the last few decades, run-scoring wise, was the 1999 team with Lofton, Vizquel, and Alomar leading the top of the order. All three were quite able to steal bases almost at will (25/6, 42/9, 37/6 SB/CS for Lofton, Vizquel, and Alomar respectively), and the Indians also led the league in SBs that season with 147 SBs. Granted, the middle and bottom parts of the order certainly contributed to that as well, but having a strong top of the order with speed can greatly influence how a pitcher will go after your 3-4-5 hitters, both in terms of keeping the runners in check and how comfortable the pitcher is on the mound. It’s usually harder for a pitcher to make his pitches on a quality hitter when he has runners on base, and Lofton, Vizquel, and Alomar were quite skilled at getting on-base consistently (.405, .397, .422 for the three respectively. It also helped that they had 79/84, 65/50, and 99/96 BB/K respectively as well).
That’s the type of top-of-the-order that I want the Indians to eventually employ – Grady has done fairly well in the leadoff spot, but I really think his power, one of his best skills, can be utilized more effectively by having him after the top-part-of-the-order, who’d you expect to have higher OBPs than your bottom-of-the-order hitters. That would likely increase Grady’s RBIs because his HRs would more often turn into 2- and 3-run shots rather than just solo shots most of the time.
Personally, I don’t think Grady is that GREAT of a hitter – he shows a good tendency for walks, but also strikes out quite often (sounds a bit like Dunn in that respect, though Grady certainly hits for a better BA than Dunn). Grady also tends to go through those 0-15 to 0-20 droughts a few times throughout the season, something you’d prefer your leadoff hitter to not go through. Most would not want Grady to bunt for hits when he’s struggling, but someone like Crowe or Brantley would be expected and even encouraged to bunt for hits more often when they’re not hitting as well. That would also bring the defenders in and allow them to hit balls through the INF more often because they would have to respect their ability to bunt for hits, opening up more holes on the INF. This would help decrease the chances that type of leadoff hitter would have several 0-15 and 0-20 droughts throughout a season like Sizemore experiences (partly explaining why his BA is down this year in the .260s for a good portion of the season).
Of those three leadoff hitters from 1999, the closest of those three hitters in terms of power to Grady’s power was Alomar, and he was hitting in the #3 spot. I’d consider Grady there, though I think Victor is a better pure hitter than Grady, so I’d put him in the #3 spot. Since Peralta has adapted well to the cleanup spot (including 30 RBIs in his last 32 games, I believe), leave him there. I’d put Grady #5 if Hafner doesn’t rebound or #6 if Hafner does; not only do you add more power to the middle of your lineup and provide more RBI opportunities for Sizemore, you can also utilize the speed he does have and enable your 7-8-9 hitters to not have to hit more than singles or an occasional double to get an extra run home.
Personally, this is the type of offense I’d like to see the Indians work toward in the coming years. Granted, you’d need Brantley (if we acquire him), Crowe, and/or another player or two to step up to form that potential lineup, but I think that’s what the Indians should be working towards. I really don’t think that Grady will remain in the leadoff spot long-term – perhaps another year or two at most, but I think he will be out of there before his contract expires after 2012. Crowe and Brantley should be established by then, giving the Indians that option down the road, and one I think they will utilize because of the extra offensive ability moving Grady down in the lineup will give them because of the increased RBI opportunities he’ll receive and the increased production his HRs will produce.
Just my 2 cents – no offense.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 15, 2008 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey indiansfan….I’m sorry, but I can’t believe that you’re still advocating moving Grady down to 5th or 6th — that’s ridiculous! You don’t put your best hitter (or one of your 2 or 3 best, certainly, depending on how Victor does when he comes back) that low in the batting order. He would lose way too many PA’s.
I know you think he strikeouts out too much to be a 2- or 3-hitter, but why is that? I believe I asked you this before, but why is a strikeout different than any other out? Of course, people will say that a ground out can move the runner(s) over, but a groundout can also result in a double play. And a pop-out never advances any runners, so that’s just as bad as a strikeout. I know that strikeouts have always had a negative connotation — and they’re more for power hittes, not slappy top-of-the-order hitters — but stats have shown that a strikeout isn’t really that different than making any other kind of out. What IS important is not making outs, period — and that’s OBP. I’d much rather have a guy with a .380 OBP and many strikeouts than a guy with a .360 OBP and very few strikeouts.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 15, 2008 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a pop-out never advances any runners, so that’s just as bad as a strikeout.
Sacrifice Flies.
by KevinV on Aug 15, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re failing to make a distinction between pop outs and fly outs.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 15, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I meant pop outs not fly outs.
That is one thing I’ve heard mentioned before — a pop out has the exact same outcome as a strike out, because no runners can advance, yet nobody keeps track of how many pop outs a hitter has.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 15, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garko has about 6,387 this season, give or take a few.
by FredOx on Aug 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he’s like Adam Dunn…..without the power and walks.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello hans,
No offense, but why do you guys keep saying or implying that because the hitter doesn’t hit for much HR power that a ML pitcher is going to be able to blow the fastball past him?
These types of players usually specialize in “gap” power rather than pure HR power, which does have its uses, especially with guys who have speed, like Crowe, Ellsbury, and Brantley have. Brantley does have 16 2Bs and a 1 3B, along with 4 HRs, so it doesn’t seem to me like he can’t hit a fastball. Perhaps not for HR power, but he can hit a fastball, so please don’t keep implying that ML pitchers are going to be able to blow the fastball past him. Blowing it past him implies he can’t hit at all (i.e. singles), rather than not being able to hit for power.
As well, Brantley is 25/31 in SBs, over 80%. Additionally, it wouldn’t surprise me if Brantley isn’t running as much because of that ankle sprain that kept him out for 2-3 weeks. It’s not like Brantley hasn’t had opportunities to run (he’s hitting around .300 or so since he came back from that ankle sprain, so he’s definitely been on base).
As well, Brantley has a 44 BB/22 K ratio in 349 AA ABs at age 21 – that’s not a common feat for that age and skill level. Heck, Crowe and Ellsbury didn’t do that at that age, yet Ellsbury is doing quite fine in his first ML season.
Therefore, Brantley is showing more of the skills you want. Besides, not every useful ML player hits for power, and when you have a power-hitting CF, power-hitting SS, and power-hitting C, three positions you don’t expect power from, you can fill a position or two with hitters who don’t hit for much power if they fill a hole in the top part of your lineup (we certainly have a hole in the #2 spot, and I’m not convinced Grady is best at leadoff long-term).
Besides that, if Grady, who has legitimate 30-40 HR power is moved down in the order, it’s likelier more of his HRs will be 2- and 3-run shots, since the top of your lineup is likelier to get on base than the bottom-part of your lineup (higher OBP hitters, etc.) – therefore, Grady’s power will be considerably more useful hitting toward the middle of the order rather than hitting at the top of the lineup.
As a result, if Brantley and/or Crowe fill the top part of that lineup, you add the speed element that can make pitchers throw more fastballs to the following hitters, plus you improve the usefulness and production of Grady’s power by dropping him lower into the order.
Just my 2 cents – no offense.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet Ellsbury is doing quite fine in his first ML season.
Ellsbury is not doing fine in his first major league season. .271/.336/.375 and an OPS+ of 85 is pretty weak. And Ellsbury’s 2007 season was pure BABIP (.380). Now you were the one that brought up the comparison to Ellsbury and Crowe, but as you stated Brantley is showing far better plate discipline in than either of those two players, if he can maintain this than I think he might be able to be a high contact low strikeout hitter and be a decent major leaguer, but without any power thats going to be his ceiling and he better keep up the low Ks to do it.
by hans on Aug 15, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where would you play him, the outfield already has Ben, Choo, and Franklin fighting over one spot next year with Matt starting in LF, Grady in CF.
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on Aug 15, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about Brantley?
He wouldn’t be a candidate for the big-league roster next year. He probably would start the season in Buffalo, although Akron would not be out of the question depending on how he finishes this season, both health and performance.
Brantley will start the 2009 season still just 21 years old, turning 22 six weeks later.
by Jay on Aug 15, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, that trio doesn’t exactly have that spot on lockdown
by Roger Dorn on Aug 15, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, LaPorta is less than 50/50 to start the season in the majors.
by Jay on Aug 15, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s hope he starts we need some power
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on Aug 15, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so high on Brantley
For me, it’s not really being so “high” on Brantley. It’s more of having a clear preference of him over the other two. I think all of these guys have deficiencies that aren’t too hard to pick out. You could make a case against all of them. It will be a fun sidenote 3 years down the road and we can see where all of these 3 (or 4) guys ended up in their careers.
I like that he only strikes out once every 11 PA (over his career) and has always hit over .300 in the same time frame. After a few years of watching a bunch of .270 hitters that K alot (and have even worse RISP stats), it would be refreshing to have someone else in the Tribe lineup that can hit +.300 consistently besides Victor.
Plus, with how slow the Tribe FO is in moving guys through the system (especially hitters), Brantley would be more likely to contribute in 2010 (our final hurrah, IMO) than the other two.
by Toxicadam on Aug 15, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Player Later To Be Named?
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 14, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Ha, you wish.
Proud supporter of the Cleveland.
by fwembt on Aug 14, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The amount of green on this page is ludicrous.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 15, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
So I was on this LTG site once, and I couldn’t believe all the GREEN… it was like the most green EVERR.
And speaking of Green, that’s who I want the INTPR to be.
(Indians Next Top PRospect)
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 15, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gotta love the pitching box for the Brewers last night:
CC Sabathia (W,13-8) 7 9 1 1 1 8 0 3.04
David Riske 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 4.21
Guillermo Mota 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 4.85
by SuddenSam on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So we can either talk sports or make fun of my typo…. can anyone comment on the actual question
by NCTRIB on Aug 14, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, explain the curveball. i don’t even really follow what you’re asking. what does a guy being on/off the 40 man have to do with anything?
by Brick. on Aug 14, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer to your question is that we can take as given that Matt LaPorta is the most valuable piece we got in the trade, and that, among those players on Milwaukee’s 40-man who are less valuable than Matt LaPorta, there are none whom a) Milwaukee would agree to trade or b) we would want more than the prospects you mentioned. It isn’t Manny Parra, it isn’t Corey Hart, obviously it isn’t Gallardo or Fielder or Braun. Who else would you ask for?
Also, I just recommended every comment that makes fun of your typo.
by fleerdon on Aug 14, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I rec’ed all of them too – including yours Tyler.
Now, back to makin fun of the typo
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No, the player is not on the 40 man.
A) The list has effectively been leaked by, it seems, a couple of independent sources. I don’t see any reason to think there’s a major leaguer hiding on it.
B) Have you looked at the Brewers’ 40 man? There’s no one on it that approaches the profile of the PTBNL, as described by either Shap or the varying sources. I mean I guess Gwynn but, no. I’m not entertaining this.
by afh4 on Aug 14, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which typo do you speak of? the PLTNB or BIRD?
by talonk on Aug 14, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I actually think the BIRD is worse….if you don’t know how the spell the name of a pitcher that’s been on the team for 3 years — and it’s FOUR letters — then you’re not much of a fan.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 14, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hey guys let’s talk spourts and stop worrying about it.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Aug 15, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If only the flagged comments turned red, this page would look very Christmas-y.
by talonk on Aug 18, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Taylor Green to the DL after being hit by a pitch on his wrist.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on Aug 14, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He already shows a Tribe-like ability to get hurt being hit by a pitch. He’d fit right into our system. It’s gotta be Taylor Green.
Andy Marte is free at last! Now, if only he could hit a breaking ball...
by woodsmeister on Aug 18, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, let’s see … already it’s Bryson with the rotator cuff, Green getting pegged on the wrist, LaPorta gets beaned in the Olympics, and Brantley was on the DL to start with. I can only assume Zach Jackson’s about to break a leg.
by Jay on Aug 18, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they’re just DL’ing Brantley and Green to make them less attractive.
“hey, look at this guy over here! i know you didn’t really want him on the list, but he’s healthy as on ox! pretty impressive for a guy that’s 32 and been in the minors all these years! so, you want him, right? I mean, it’s a no-brainer.”
by Brick. on Aug 18, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Carlos Santana gives us one trade to be (prematurely) excited about. Plus, imagine if you were a Mariners fan – LaPorta will be ready to play sooner than the catcher he took out.
by FredOx on Aug 18, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello everyone,
I’ve been thinking more about the PTBNL (Player To Be Named Later – though the PLTBN works too! :-) and I’m starting to wonder if perhaps it won’t be either Brantley or Green, but rather, Cain.
I know many weren’t fond of him when that possibility was mentioned back when CC was traded, but the rumors suggested the Indians were high on him and lately he’s been hitting at AA much better (his OPS at AA is now over 1.000). You can see Cain’s page here.
Plus, if I remember correctly, I think he can play a solid CF (or at least, has the tools to play there, whereas there is question about Brantley’s defensive ability, especially in CF).
Therefore, I’m wondering if Shapiro is making everyone guess and it will turn out to be Cain and not Brantley or Green.
battlekow – thanks for the update. I wondered why Green didn’t have a boxscore for Aug. 13, while Lucroy did. I thought perhaps Green just got the night off. If it is between Brantley and Green, that might have just tipped the scales more in Brantley’s favor, since he is now healthy. Though, hopefully, the injury to Green isn’t a long-term one – then I suppose it could still be either, but getting hit in the wrist like that is never a good thing (recall previous injuries to Thome and Hafner and how long it took them to come back – and Hafner still isn’t back to his “old” self, though I don’t know if the wrist injury had anything to do with his current state of ineffective hitting).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why this keeps coming up. Cain is liked more, quite a bit more supposedly, by the Brewers than are Brantley/LuCroy/Green. There’s never been any reason to think that Cain’s on the list and there still isn’t.
Could he be? I guess.
Is it likely? No, not at all. Hell, why don’t we just consider that it could be Angel Salome? Or Mat Gamel?
by afh4 on Aug 14, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello Andrew,
I believe early newspaper reports or Indians.com – some source – that suggested that Cain could be on that list, so I don’t think it’s out of the question.
Keep in mind this prospect was supposed to be significant, and I don’t think Cain is regarded as highly as Salome, Escobar, or Gamel. Cain is not equivalent to LaPorta either, so I don’t think it’s THAT out of the question that Cain could be that one.
No offense, but I think Lucroy might be more highly regarded or as equally regarded as Cain, so you’re thinking (or at least wanting) Lucroy in the deal seems equally as likely or unlikely as Cain. I have not heard the Brewers being THAT high on Cain, who from what I have heard is toolsy, but a bit raw.
Just my 2 cents – no offense.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain was 9th on the BA list coming into this year. That is one slot behind Angel Salome, the far better catching prospect in the Brewers’ organization.
I don’t have my BA in front of me but I’m pretty sure LuCroy isn’t close to that.
So, what are you talking about?
by afh4 on Aug 14, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it be cool if the PTBNL was escalated based on CCs performance (I know it isn’t of course).
5 Wins – Brantley; all the way up to Cy Young – Gamel
Fun to think about
by talonk on Aug 14, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love that – too bad Shapiro couldn’t work that into the agreement, but Milwaukee probably wouldn’t have agreed to the trade if that were the case. (Though if they knew how good CC was going to be ahead of time, they might have been willing to agree to that point. I think it would have been a fair tradeoff. :-)
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Aug 14, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already mentioned it above, but Gamel’s been about as hot as Marcus Thames since the trade.
by CBusSteve on Aug 14, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun to think about Ryan Garko hitting, too. For a few seconds.
by odradek on Aug 14, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For lack of a better place to put this…
I was starting the think the NL was closing the talent gap on the AL…then CC and Manny Ramirez showed me I was wrong. Very wrong.
by APV on Aug 14, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait to see Casey Blake’s numbers by the end of the season…..
by hans on Aug 14, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I was having flashbacks … Player Later To Be Named sounds eerily like Voldemort, He Who Shall Not Be Named.
by talonk on Aug 15, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brantley has gone 11 for 19 (3 BB’s, 2 K’s) in his last 5 games.
by Toxicadam on Aug 16, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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