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Game Thread: August 27, 2008

Cleveland Indians @ Detroit Tigers


Cleveland at Detroit, 7:05 PM (STO)

Since the All-Star Break, the Indians as a team are hitting .276/.355/.475; they hit .250/.323/.402 before. That, in a nutshell, explains the difference in records, since the overall pitching has been about a half-run worse (with both the starters and relievers being worse). The promising aspect of this offensive improvement is that it isn't due to getting an injured player back (Martinez and Hafner are still out), but improvements in the offensive games of virtually all its young players, from Gutierrez to Garko to Cabrera.

 

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Santana had a solo shot in the first tonight.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, two stolen bases on him as well.

by Joe. on Aug 27, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leave the hope. Take the cannoli.

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like Marte returns to the partay.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So when do we start thinking about cutting/optioning Mujica (not sure if he has options left). I was a staunch defender of his last year but I’m really starting to think the guy just kind of blows. Unfortunately, really.

by Joe. on Aug 27, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we should put Masa’s head under the guillotine before Mujica. I don’t know if anyone shares my opinion though.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m watching Eastern Promises and so far it’s not impressing.

I’m only 4 10 minutes in but I’m not sold.

Well, Vigo just showed up. And he looks pretty cool with that haircut.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

imdb makes that movie sound pretty intense. gl with that.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s so-so, I remember constantly waiting for something momentous to happen but it just sort of chugged along the same emotional vein, it felt flat throughout. The scene in the spa is kinda cool though.

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I can watch Vigo act like this for a while.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great movie, absolutely fucking brilliant performance by Viggo.

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Underwood/Manning are not buying into our optimism.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahahah. Looch.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a second. Why didn’t Ben Francisco hit a HR?

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’ve discouraged him with the trade talk

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jhonny Peralta: Real Good.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vigo Mortensen now blowdrying a frozen dead body while smoking.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahh, Fausto. Did it have to be to Granderson?

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember when people used to say Grady and Granderson were, like, the same? I bet they feel dumb now.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously…grady is much taller now

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they probably still think granderson is better… if they did then.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They also think Shoppach can play first, idiot.

Proud supporter of the Cleveland.

by fwembt on Aug 27, 2008 9:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really loathe the stupid Tiger sound effect too

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if Curtis Granderson realizes that Grady is way better.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait…did dellucci hit a solo bomb? i hate that guy so much—now he’s messing with my hatred for him!

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No. He doubled. Fran moved him over. JP drove him in.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok, thanks. i still feel safe loathing dd

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outside of that solo, Fausto looks pretty nasty.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think it got him pissed off

by oaksterdam on Aug 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Am I the only one who can’t post single word comments lately?

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(heh, wasn’t sure that would work)

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe it only did because it has a period.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nnnnnope

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shoppach 4 Prez

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte is going to get a bunt single one day.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe when he’s playing in the Atlantic Coast League.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Justin Verlander: case study #11386 in why you shouldn’t let your young pitchers pitch too much (nervously eyeing Fausto Carmona)

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They shut him down early last year too, didn’t they?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think it made him worse as opposed to injured?

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d feel pretty confident guessing he’s got some “looseness” in his elbow/shoulder

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GRADY :)

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grady >>> Grandy

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grandy is not statistically signficant.

by joeee on Aug 27, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grady is pretty good

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grady grady grady

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grady!!!

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tribe always spanks around verlander like a lil’ puppy. Tonight should kick buttz!

by joeee on Aug 27, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Making Verlander work. Happy.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

o/t
does Barack Obama being officially nominated count as breaking news? Shouldn’t “breaking” news suggest something unexpected….and not painfully orchestrated over a gazillion weeks?

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But he’s making history. HISTORY!

/sarc

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This just in: Autumn scheduled to start on September 22. Details soon.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

and even if this is “breaking” news…doesn’t he officially accept the nomination TOMORROW anyways? i hate the news media—except for maury povich, that is.

oh, and president lincoln was shot. want to make sure everyone’s up to speed…

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t look at THIS or you’ll want to gouge your eyes out with a pencil. (it’s the salaries of the people on the Hills show.)

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Hills. It’s a stupid show on MTV that most of your women coworkers probably watch.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It jumped the shark when Heidi got fake boobs. But the landing was fun to watch.
/sarc

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carlos Santana: 2-2 with a HR, 1B, and a BB
Nick Weglarz: 1-3 with a 3B
Carlos Rivero: 3-3, 3 1Bs

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently there’s a stiff wind coming in and Wegz also roped a ball that was caught by a leaping OF at the wall.

Wegz has singled since you wrote this as well.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man, Peralta couldn’t jump over the Sunday paper.

by ASP on Aug 27, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah jeez.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2008 Fausto makes me sad.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

o/t
freshly baked pie might be my favorite smell in the world

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did hammy just say that the Tigers have been the epitome of an inconsistent club? that makes us…, what?

by oaksterdam on Aug 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also was that “the tigers roar back” really necessary? i like puns as much as the next guy, but c’mon.

by oaksterdam on Aug 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we were just consistently awful.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fausto, cut it out.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mmm, that works, yes.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just turned on the radio to catch that last inning, I’m still wondering what the fuck just happened

Fausto makes me feel like I did something to deserve this

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You did. Stop touching yourself at night.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BEN BROUSSARD HOMERUN

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish I could have seen Shoppach running up on Garko’s ass circling the bases

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice. It makes me not even mind the Ks in his next 4 ABs.

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Shoppach should probably move up in the lineup.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone taking bets on how many runs fausto gives back in the bottom of the inning?

by oaksterdam on Aug 27, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stop raining on the fucking parade

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll go with one

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Kelly

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 27, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yay runs.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s our Andy

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Walks are bad, mmkay?

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

double plays R gud

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. Garko’s OBP drops 20 points if you take away his HBPs and replace them with hits and outs (equal to his batting average). That would make his line .255/.305/.371. Awesome first baseman.

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad he’s wearing that giant elbow pad then, I guess.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, everybody. What’d I miss since the 3rd?

by fleerdon on Aug 27, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i sent two emails, made one phone call, and started a Hansen’s Kiwi Strawberry Soda. that Coldplay song also popped into my head and won’t get out. that pretty much gets you up to speed…

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I ate a piece of strawberry-rhubarb pie. It was pretty good.

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do not get rhubarb. My mom grows it every year. It exists solely to have sugar added to it.

by fleerdon on Aug 27, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tartness + sugar = good

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have no idea what rhubarb is, but it really is a delicious pie ingredient

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The key to rhubarb pie is to pair it with a another berry or fruit. If you think rhubarb pie is good, wait till you have some strawberry-rhubarb pie. Much better.

Andy Marte is free at last! Now, if only he could hit a breaking ball...

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 28, 2008 8:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tiger announcers discussing Choo’s military situation

by palcal on Aug 27, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so were Hammy and Egan

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who the hell is Egan?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He meant Ammy and Hegan.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, ok.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My my, we are all about the 2-out rally lately, aren’t we?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garko does not like balls in play

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of Garko. I know he’s been a good receiver over at first, but I feel as though he’s not coming within a carlength of balls to his left or right.

by fleerdon on Aug 27, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has more walks this year than all last yeat but he needs 6 more HBP to match last year

by palcal on Aug 27, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah damn.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

08 Fausto sucks

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte up to .200

by JesseAK on Aug 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AND I MISSED IT! Oh well….crack up the champagne!

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s the best replay we get?

by millionairesrow on Aug 27, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can I get a play-by-play on this?

by fleerdon on Aug 27, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looch sends a bouncer to short, it was a close play at first, he appeared to beat it out

by millionairesrow on Aug 27, 2008 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but Looch gets the benefit of the suck, which is like the opposite of the benefit of the doubt. when it’s close, it goes against Looch, b/c he’s so bad he can’t be expected to do anything right or well.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a wildly depressing existence.

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. That was just crushed.

by millionairesrow on Aug 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Choo hits one to the moon. Me likey.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, they’re saying Chooooooooo

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JUST TRYING TO IMPRESS THE GOVERNMENT

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, uh, not to kill the moment, but who’s warming right now?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That can be interpreted two different ways these days, you know.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill Clinton

/zing!

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Rafael Betancourt of political speakers.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2007 or 2008 Betancourt?

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Bill hasn’t had a very good year, either. I was referring to how long it takes for him to get done.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odd Google Image Result

LAME

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hegan with the GamesOutOfFirst update! People are buying in!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most underrated pitcher in baseball: Josh Johnson.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Choo’s hair looks different

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He been over your house to play ball with your son so much that you notice?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garko still doesn’t like balls in play

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Snap.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SEE YA MENDOZA

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.204

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.204!!!!

“The road goes on forever, but the Marte Par-Tay never ends!”

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

droob’s been slumping a bit lately

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He took me yard in my 2k8 fantasy earlier. Yepppp.

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crowe 0-4 w/ 3 Ks on the night.
For all Crowe’s faults, contact was never one of them. Probably pressing.

by bewwolv on Aug 27, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Underwood is giving Wedge credit for the team playing hard even though they’re out of the race, but not giving him any of the blame for the team being out of the race in the first place? Really?

by millionairesrow on Aug 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the credit is warranted. If you look at the splits, Wedge’s clubs are usually very solid down the stretch of a season. You can make the argument that it takes him a couple months to find out how to correctly fit the useful pieces together, then bench or sparingly use the superfluous players. For all his transgressions concerning Marte, I think Wedge is a really good manager, at least relative to most other team’s managers.

/reality check

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s a really good manager after the first couple of months of feeling things out you mean…so he’s a really good manager only after all the meaningful games have been played and mostly lost.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 27, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re faulting him for something he cannot really control. Which is, he doesn’t have the prescience to know who will be the next ’07 Perez or the next Oldberto/FCab. He cannot predict whether a player will become ’08 Shoppach or ’08 Dellucci. He is given a limited amount of options, and to determine which options are best he must let them play first. Managing, in the Shapiro system of obtaining non-organization groomed players to fill certain holes, is a process of trial and error. Wedge does wonderfully when you limit your critiques to things he can control. (Except bullpen management. wtf is he thinking tonight.)

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can’t agree with you:

Faltered badly down the stretch in ’04.

Spit the bit at the end of ’05.

Stunk up the joint in ‘06. (I’ve expunged that fall out of my memory.)

Great finish in ’07.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 27, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at the numbers.

by obobcatu on Aug 28, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PAR TAY

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That does it. Jamey, you’re on third tomorrow.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   2 recs

Marte is hitting himself out of Friday’s line-up.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“All I want for christmas is playing time. Every day, sir.”

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bwaaahahahahhaa. Classic.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

best reliever, for 2 batters, in the 7th inning? wtf?

by ASP on Aug 27, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

With less than a grand slam’s worth of lead, to boot?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We like to call that “Less than Mujica-proof” around these parts.

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s like Marte is spinning that bullpen wheel of fortune, only his options, regardless of his performance, are pulled for pinch hitter or benched due to lack of grittiness.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bunt requirement?

by bewwolv on Aug 27, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mine was not a comprehensive list. that definitely fits though.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice job, “stellar manager”

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There we go Betancourt. Put us in our places for regaining faith in you

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way this pen handled tonight, if we lose is grounds for dismissal imo. I mean, seriously?

by ASP on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um Raffy P has held Ordonez to 0-5 with 3 Ks in his career. What the hell?

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SSS

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe SSS to put him in, but why take him out with those numbers?

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Using Raffy P would be less of an adventure, Wedge loves him a good adventure

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Without Wickman, Wedge has to create Wickman Moments.

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have we past the waiting period for recs for Wickman references?

by bewwolv on Aug 27, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for me, yes.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we somehow escape here there are still two remaining innings. God help us.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WANT
MORE
INSURANCE

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TRIBE: MORE OFFENSE. STAT.

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by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess Ordonez is 2-16 career against Raffy B, but still.

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From the WELL, DUUH file, Livan Hernandez is 1-2 with a 15.32 ERA with Colorado.

Watch him beat Lincecum now.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t trip on your way back into the dugout, LOoch.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gut as DH… that makes perfect sense.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah pretty questionable. Unless we’re prepared to lose the DH in the 8th.

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or use Carroll instead.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno .. he’s been hitting .300+ for a month now …

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More for the fact we can’t use him in the field now.

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just me or is Betancourt working noticeably faster tonight?

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hammy just commented on his slow delivery but that could just be habit

by c9kay32 on Aug 27, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it just me, or are the indians having a tough time catching the ball this inning?

by Kevin HD on Aug 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

red sox leading 11-2

by c9kay32 on Aug 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the yankees… as much as i hate the sox i’m real happy the yankees won’t make the playoffs

by c9kay32 on Aug 27, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game reminded me of Game 7. Close and tight until the end .. then the wheels fell off.

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 10:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this version of Betancourt, the K’s are very encouraging

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team’s incredible hitting is starting to cloud my judgement.

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes it’s pleasant to be fooled by randomness.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cleveland Rockies, everyone!

Believe!

"I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work." -George Carlin

by RD74 on Aug 27, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome to the insane asylum.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you believe in miracles?

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m always open for new experiences.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh oh, its Farnsworth! (snicker, snicker).

"I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work." -George Carlin

by RD74 on Aug 27, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

saving his play balls for the right moment

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo we want Jensen

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we’re still getting him, but not in a $ making role.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pour it on boys

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not all. not nothing. I’m confused.

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Month on the bench upcoming.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i came late, did i miss a marte over 200 celebration?

by c9kay32 on Aug 27, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Marte swing at the first pitch again?

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugly end to that inning .. but I love those extra runs late in the game. nom nom nom

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is NOT a save situation. How does Wedge expect him to get pumped?

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not bad. i’ll take it.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Jensen’s fastball a tad slow tonight?

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice, dude. you are silenced for the rest of the night.

"I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work." -George Carlin

by RD74 on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake homered today – in a losing effort.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clutch, grit, yadda yadda

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The dodgers find new ways to lose every night. They are a hard team to root for.

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHA T[HA]MES

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know why but that made me laugh really hard.

JLEW

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just now figured out your name. Cool.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

explain.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

aw shit.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BAD J-ROD

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Ordonez was due I suppose

by ahowie on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

insurance runs are the best.

by Kevin HD on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That wasn’t in the script

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Presto, now it’s a save situation.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was just trying to pad his saves number. The ol Joe Borowski rule of thumb. It doesn’t matter how high your ERA is, as long as you get saves, some mustachioed manager will be dumb enough to count on you twice.

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you put yourself into a save situation? I feel like if you enter in a non-save situation & give up a run or two, you won’t get a save out of it, though someone else could come in in relief & then get the save.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I believe you’re right. It appears Lewis wasn’t awarded a save.

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you’re right.

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B A L L G A M E

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bust out the brooms.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn sweet.

"I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work." -George Carlin

by RD74 on Aug 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very Nice.

Still the local "Barfield Bounces Back Believer" and also has hopes for Gutz. Free Marte.

by mjmarble on Aug 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m trying to figure out how to query baseball-reference for this info, but I wonder if there’s ever been a team that’s lost 10 in a row and won 10 in a row in the same season.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

guess

yes

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2007 Mets? maybe?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to BB-ref, their longest winning and losing streaks were each 5 games.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 1982 Braves opened the season with 13 wins. Later they suffered a horrendous losing streak, after they took Chief Nok-a-Homa’s tent down for additional seating. I think it was more then ten. Anyway, they put the teepee back, the steak ended, and they won the division.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not only the steak, but the streak as well.

by SuddenSam on Aug 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, nice. Where’d you come up with that one? This says they won 13 in a row and lost 11 in a row (and somehow won their division with an 89-73 record; there’s hope for us yet!)

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

79 Indians
31 Indians (?)

I heard it on the pre-game show tonight.

by Toxicadam on Aug 27, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool.. guess it’s not as uncommon as I would’ve guessed.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 27, 2008 10:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it’s appropriate that both teams ended up within 2 games of .500

by palcal on Aug 28, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

from CastroTurf

The Indians have a current nine-game winning streak less than two months after a 10-game losing streak this year. The last Major League team with a winning and losing streak of 10 games or more in the same season, according to Elias Sports Bureau, was the 2004 Tampa Bay Rays, who won 12 in a row and one point and lost 12 in a row at another point. The Indians did it in 1979 and 1931.

by palcal on Aug 28, 2008 2:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the LAST10 column no longer undervalues us.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

curiouser and curiouser…

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

10 games in a row. 10 games back in the division. BELIEVE!

by obobcatu on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah BALLGAME

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 27, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell yeah boys, well done

by Fios on Aug 27, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Aug 27, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

rec! (and good reference)

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who’s your favorite little rascal?

by JRontherim on Aug 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we have the 16th-worst record in the league right now. Um….

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Screw it, let’s go for it.

by supermarioelia on Aug 27, 2008 10:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually, it’s 17th best and 14th worst.

Texas won as well tonight so we are .001 behind 16th place Texas.

by palcal on Aug 27, 2008 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

phew…I was worried there

by APV on Aug 27, 2008 11:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is odd.

by afh4 on Aug 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs