CC Come Home!

It's futile, I know, but CC is slotted to pitch Sunday at PNC park. I'll be there with a buddy in full Tribe gear and will locate ourselves squarely in the cheap seats.

Anybody else thinking of making the trip to Pittsburgh?

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Bit far for me, but looking at this:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/tuck-sez-see-see/

it might be CC who’s looking to escape Master Ned…

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by RasenFridge on Aug 28, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why does CC look like the guy from the Gorilla’s music video?

by obobcatu on Aug 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fun Fact!

Since the epic Sabathia/Bryson trade, both the Brewers and Indians have gone 28-16.

See, he didn’t really matter that much.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 28, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

unless you look at it this way:

Say CC was worth 5 wins in that time over his replacement pitcher.

The Indians would have gone 33-11. (and shouting distance from the division lead)
The Brewers would have gone 23-21. (and down in the wild card sstandings instead of leading it)

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 28, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know, I know…. I should change my sig to state that all comments are tongue-in-cheek unless stated otherwise.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 28, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seems we’ve won a few of those games in which the replacement starter (Jackson / Reyes) has pitched. I don’t know what the real difference is, but I doubt that it’s +5.

by jhon on Aug 28, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what i think he’s saying is that C.C.‘s won 5 games over his replacement starter, which is entirely plausible as C.C.’s 8-0 with the BrewCrew in 10 starts, with the team record 9-1 in those starts… so maybe the Indians are 4-6 in Sabathia’s replacement starts?

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 28, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno. I am under the impression that our replacement starters have been a tick better than replacement level, or in the games that they’ve pitched and we’ve won the margin of victory is such that it hasn’t mattered who has pitched.

It probably isn’t too hard to retrace this, but I’m afraid of what I might learn in doing so.

I like Matt Laporta.

by jhon on Aug 28, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, it’s kind of an inexact science, because with the All-Star break, off days, and Byrd being moved, it’s tough to nail down Sabathia’s exact “replacement”. However, if you follow the schedule and their game logs, i think it’s fair to say that both Ginter and Reyes served as Replacement Sabathia, In games those two started, the Indians have a record of 4-4 (1-3 with Ginter and 3-1 with Reyes).

There’s a bit of a wrench in this assumption, with one of the first two games after the All-Star break (July 18 and 19) also likely to have gone to C.C. had he still been an Indian and not pitched in the All-Star game. Those two were pitched by Laffey and Sowers, and the Tribe went 1-1 in those. So maybe the Tribe went 4.5-4.5 with Sabathia’s replacement?

These are obviously rough and imperfect assumptions, but not accounting for league adjustments, it’s not too far off to say that C.C. was worth 5 additional wins.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 28, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I went game by game. With CC they would have won 3 more games.

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Aug 28, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i’m just not sure you can pin point each game C.C. would have started with 100% certainty.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be so great if we still had CC and we were in 3rd place instead of not having CC and being in 3rd place. And having Zach Jackson, Rob Bryson, Matt Laporta, and someone else.

by APV on Aug 28, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Don’t forget that Casey Blake would still be here! Wooooo

by Toxicadam on Aug 29, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK. So far, by my tally, it’s me and my buddy equaling a grand total of two. I’ll be the guy in the late 80s Cleveland road jersey holding a sign. My buddy will be the guy holding a beer.

I was thinking of going with my post title of “CC Come Home” for the sign, but am open to any of the clever suggestions you guys may have. Any ideas?

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 29, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So just look for someone holding a beer, and that’s your buddy? You’ll have a lot of friends at the ballpark.

And with how your post lines up in my window, I thought you said “I’ll be the guy in the late 80’s.” Christ, you could give Chuck a run for the old-man title.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Aug 29, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Naw, I still get carded everywhere I go.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 29, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yahoo’s MLB page has a little window featuring “Who’s Hot” and “Who’s Not,” which appears to be updated daily. Since CC was traded, I swear he’s been on the “Who’s Not” for pitchers every single day. Over the last 14 days, he’s got a 1.80 ERA, a WHIP of 1.40, and 1 Win, and in Yahoo’s opinion that makes him #1 on the “Who’s Not” list among pitchers.

Must be a Cub fan running that section.

"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."

by Fiddlesticks on Aug 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

His 8/18 CG win over Houston where he gave up 11 hits and walked 2 killed his WHIP, and that seems to be the basis of Yahoo! declaring him “not hot.”

Of course in that game he also stuck out 9 and the only earned runs he allowed were a pair of solo homers that he gave up in the 5th and 6th with after the Brew Crew had already plated 6. (Even one of the walks came in the top of the 9th after an error had extended the inning.

As Churchill said, there are three type of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 29, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mark Twain said it was Benjamin Disraeli what came up with that one.

by odradek on Aug 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wiki Quote says that Leonard H. Courtney coined the phrase about lies and statistics (before becoming president of the Royal Statistical Society) and that the Twain reference to Disraeli is a misattribution.

Either way, I got it horribly wrong.

But the mention of Disraeli reminds me of a great footnote in a dissent by NJ Supreme Court Justice Robert Chesler, where he traces the quote about law and sausage – attributing it to Disraeli rather than Chancellor Bismark.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 2, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So I’m pretty sure I saw a no-hitter yesterday. We’ll have to wait for MLB to decide, but if CC would have cleanly fielded that ball he would have made the out.

I had a sign that said “CC Come Home” on one side and “Lets Go FORMER Tribe” on the other. We started out in the bleachers next to the pen for 1st inning. Admittedly, I’m not good at holding a sign. My weak arms got tired and I didn’t want to block anyone’s view. My heart wasn’t in it. After the 1st we ditched the sign and moved into the shade behind the Brewers dugout. A mass exodus began in the 7th and got worse in the 8th, so we were easily able to move to about 5 rows behind the dugout. The final out wasn’t as nuts as it should have been on account of the one lousy hit so we made our way over to an area behind home plate and shouted “E1” up into the general direction of the scorers box until a confused usher asked us to leave.

Walking out it seemed like there was an even number of Brewers and Indians fans, although the Brewers fans tended to have more gear where the Tribe fans had on a lone hat or a CC t-shirt.

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 1, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

CC’s one-or-fewer-hitter has finally dislodged him from Yahoo’s “not hot” list—but he’s still not “hot.”

"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."

by Fiddlesticks on Sep 1, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course your arms get tired. You’re an octogenarian after all

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 2, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Tribe fan was wearing only a hat? I guess anything goes in Milwaukee, where the franchise is named after a maker of adult beverages.

by FredOx on Sep 2, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was in Pittsburgh, so pantslessness is pretty common.

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 2, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duh. I’ve been at the beach for a week, so my brain isn’t working yet. I’m making a road trip to Pittsburgh in 2 weeks, so pantlessness would be acceptable.

by FredOx on Sep 2, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs