Cleveland Indians @ Tampa Bay Rays GameThread, Aug 4, 2008 7:10 PM EDT

Game Thread: August 4, 2008

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 6:30 PM EDT in Game Threads Comment 146 comments

Cleveland Indians @ Tampa Bay Rays

Cleveland at Tampa Bay, 7:10 PM (STO)

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Sizemore
Dellucci as DH
BenFran
Peralta
Shoppach
Garko
Marte
Gutz
AstroCab

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Iwamura 2b
Upton CF
Pena 1b
Longoria 3b
Navarro C
Aybar SS
Hinske LF
Gomes DH
Gross (who?) RF

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Tampa Bay GM calls, and asks you if you’d like to trade these entire lineups. We say no sizemore. He says no Longoria.

Fine then, he says.

Do you do it?

by jhon on Aug 4, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

do we get Garza and Shields for Ginter and Byrd?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

Ginter, Byrd, and $100 million dollars. Cash.

by jhon on Aug 4, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, Selig’s on the phone. He says we can’t do that.

by jhon on Aug 4, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any way we could make it a three-way deal with the A’s?

by bentausig on Aug 4, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What do you have in mind? Where’s Grover?

by jhon on Aug 4, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I say no.

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LETS GO CLIFFY

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The ‘Cliff for Cy’ call is all I have left this season. Make it happen!

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Very lame.

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, that’s a hopeful sign.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was unfortunate

by millionairesrow on Aug 4, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

GRady is so wasted on the Cleveland Indians v. 08.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So far, Garza looks a bit off. Assuming we can string a couple of hits together, we can take this game.

Here’s hoping Cliff’s got it goin’ on tonight.

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2008: let the hate flow through you.

by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

fantastic. I had a feeling this wasn’t a good matchup.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

CLIFTON!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nicely done Clifford

by Fios on Aug 4, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Clifton.

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 4, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want some frozen custard and I’ve never even had any before.

Also, C L I F F.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SHOPPACH

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WOOO

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shoppach is so money

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kelly wielding the BIG stick recently.

Fingers crossed, but breathing normally

by Chief WaDrew on Aug 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

...and Jhonny showing the gracefulness we have become accustomed to

Fingers crossed, but breathing normally

by Chief WaDrew on Aug 4, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just want the Indians to be a pain in the ass to every contending team for the rest of the season

by Fios on Aug 4, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That’s a lie, I want more than that, but I also want that

by Fios on Aug 4, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hammy

“Marte hitting 172 and Casey Blake is doing great for the Dodgers”

UGH

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Does he have zero concept of how to run a baseball team?

An out-of-the-race baseball team?

by emd2k3 on Aug 4, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That Garza/Navarro fight was reminiscent of some of the Mesa/Pena squabbles back in the day.

Fingers crossed, but breathing normally

by Chief WaDrew on Aug 4, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

KKliff

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DROOBOMB

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

zz

DROOOOOOOOOBS

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

AstroBlast!!

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

AstroCab!!

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 4, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice stop, Andy.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Laffey :(

by ASP on Aug 4, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not a great start tonight.

by ASP on Aug 4, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

argh

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WAKE UP, TRIBE OFFENSE.

Let’s not stick the bullpen with a tie.

Or, you know, anything less than a grand slam worth of lead.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, Looch!

Damn, Hammy called that one.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yea you beat me to posting that.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now if only he’d can it with the “perfect game through (x)” shit.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

seriously.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m a huge Hammy fan/apologist but even I have to admit “Ginter’s perfect through 2” yesterday was a bit early.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 4, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uhh wow.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Trade value! Trade value!

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 4, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DFA that!

by ASP on Aug 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looch to Justin:
“designate THAT for assignment”

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Grady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow Looch

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 4, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m sorry, but those cowbells are going to make it very difficult to root for Tampa in the hypothetical post-season.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

won’t matter. only 16K will show up anyways.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I give you this choice:

“Let’s go Red Sox, Let’s go Red Sox, Let’s go Red Sox”

“(insert cowbell sound)”

LGT's resident beer connaisseur.

by LGT Patrick on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh. Yeah, easy call there.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll take the cowbells, without question! :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve got a fever, and the only prescription… is more cowbell!

by talonk on Aug 5, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cripes, Ben.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How is Ben Francisco like Roberto Duran?

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bonehead.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 4, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How did Ben misplay it?

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

doesn’t matter. we have clifton.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The announcers (Hamilton and Hegan) somewhat speculated that maybe he lost it for a bit in the lights – not sure. I didn’t see the actual play to say for sure. The announcers did mention that they think it’s easier to see the ball in the Tropicana roof than the Metrodome roof (probably because the Metrodome roof is white – how ridiculous is that? :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marte..just not very good. Sorry.

by ASP on Aug 4, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Made it home just in time to see Dellucci’s bomb. Wow.

by xrickx on Aug 4, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boy, the Marte Parte sure has cooled off.

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I might be late to the party, but HOLY CRAP at Jolbert Cabrera still playing in the bigs.

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dangerous inning for Cliff. Abort. Abort. Abandon ship.

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

live look in on espn fyi

by SanD on Aug 4, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice play by droobs, and just in time for a brett farve update

by SanD on Aug 4, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Flag

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

DROOOBS

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Underwood (a.k.a. Underpants) just insulted the West Side Market. He’s officially on my “list” as soon as I make one.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 4, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But Underpants had cancer. Go easy when you run into him.

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jhonny steals? WOOOOO!

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

MORE
RUNS
NOW

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Peralta and Shoppach (arguably our 2 hottest hitters) obliged you! :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

:) :) :) :) :) :)

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shoppach with only a single? This is going to ruin his SLG percentage.

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

but Jhonny’s hweels are gonna drive up his offseason trade value.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excellent work, Shoppach – I like how he cut down on his swing a bit with 2 strikes, unlike the other night against Detroit.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cliff’s got the “don’t eff this up” look in his eye, as usual.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As mentioned by Hamilton, Lee might be going for win #18 tonight, not win #15, if the bullpen had not blown so many leads after Lee left. Let’s hope they do the job tonight!

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn’t hear that, but I remember at least two of these. Both were Perez.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

(Speak of the devil.)

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Indians actually manufactured a run. We deserve to win now.

by Toxicadam on Aug 4, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like the ability to manufacture runs – it’s always nice to tack on, without waiting for a long bomb.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seems like you need to be a physics professor

by bentausig on Aug 4, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Justin Chamberlin just gave up a 3 run HR to Michael Young on YES/ESPN… cool

by SanD on Aug 4, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, he had his name changed, dick.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What, Justin had his name changed? What is Justin’s new name?

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tino.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tito.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

YES[SSSSS]!!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Woah, Prince Fielder shoved Parra twice in the dugout, per Hammy.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Have you seen the Fielder/Sabathia embrace photo? It’s like 600 pounds of dude.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think i have.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on Perez!

(Come on KC – beat Boston; come on Texas – beat the Yankees!)

Thanks for the update SanD – great news!

That’s interesting – Fielder shoved Manny Parra in the dugout in the MIL-CIN game, a game the Brewers lost. Fielder had to be restrained – further evidence that Fielder may be gone from Milwaukee sooner rather than later (being that Fielder is up for FA much sooner than Parra, who looks like a promising pitcher).

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hard to tell what happened in the dugout, won’t stop John Kruk and co. from speculating

by SanD on Aug 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perez!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shades of 07 right there.

Sniff.

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by vbc3 on Aug 4, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chamberlin just left the game with some kind of shoulder injury.

by SanD on Aug 4, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

poor guy.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hate to say it, but Marte needs to get hot now in order to stick around next season.

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok, suppose Marte (likely) is not the 3b option for next season. Ruling out any resigning of The Bearded One, who is the ‘09 3b? To my knowledge we have no satisfactory replacement within the organization who is prepared for next season, which leaves it up to free agency to find someone. Which 3b’s are going into FA next year and could possibly fit the Tribe’s budget? Any ideas? Because if Marte is actually out of the picture I have no clue who will be the 3b, and I hope we don’t sign some Aaron Boone-like stopgap player.

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think they sign The Bearded One if marte keeps this up. Shudder.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How seriously do you think the FO would consider moving Peralta to 3b? We could probably find a decent 2b to fill that hole with Droobal moving to SS. Some have suggested the O-Dog. I like Hudson and think he could be a great fit for this team, and since we will have plenty of spending money it could work out, so long as Jhonny can actually play 3b.

by obobcatu on Aug 4, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello obobcatu,

I’ve heard several speculate that Peralta could be moving to 3B in the relatively near future, possibly as soon as next year, with Cabrera moving to SS. Of course, either Barfield or someone like Hudson, would have to step into the 2B hole left by Cabrera.

But I think that is a possiblity if Marte doesn’t start showing some consistency, and I agree with Ryan, Marte needs to make a positive statement now, not just for a game or two, but for the better part of the next two months, or otherwise, his career with the Tribe is likely over.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well… when do we think Hodges will be ready? ‘10?

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

could always try and grab somebody like mark teahen or jose bautista in a trade.

the dbacks could move chad tracy as well.

by xrickx on Aug 4, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Teahen… You read Posnanski? He’d have Teahen leading off and Sizemore batting 3.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It almost has to be a free agent. And, unfortunately, Blake’s going to be at the top of the list.

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s 129 years old. He’ll be cheap.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello Ryan,

And I’m guessing they’l have to offer him a multi-year deal (2 years + an option, maybe even 3 years) to get him to resign with us?

And, we’ll lose two draft picks on top of it?! I like Blake, but a multi-year deal and losing two draft picks to have him back here for next year doesn’t sound like a great idea to me, no offense.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you’re right. The way everyone has been talking about Blake as if he were Mike Schmidt will, I hope, price him out of Cleveland. The Dodgers’ trade of LaRoche could also suggest they will sign Casey. It would be a blow to have him back in Cleveland next year.

by odradek on Aug 4, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello odradek,

Thinking about it more, technically, we’d only lose one of our draft picks (our second-rounder, I believe, if I remember the new rules correctly); the other pick would be a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds (I think), a pick we never would have had, so technically, we wouldn’t lose that pick, just the second-rounder (unless we finish in the Top 15 records in baseball, but that seems pretty unlikely at this point), but the Dodgers would gain two extra picks.

Sorry about any earlier confusion – hopefully, that clears things up. :-)

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 5, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Andy Marte is just plain good.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

very Longoriaesque.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perez better be coming out for the ninth.

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ah for the old days, when Perez would blow the lead and Wedge would send in JoBo when it’s 5-5.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No offense, but in the “old days,” Perez very rarely blew the lead – it’s been more common this year, but hardly the case in 2007. Often, Perez would hold the tie 5-5, then JoeBlow would come in, and often, “blow” it or come darn close to doing so.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, I was talking about June.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello Fire Slider,

Sorry about that – June is already “old days” to you, huh? :-)

With this disappointing season, I can see how “old days” could be June; I just thought you meant further in the past than that.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 5, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1 more…

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OVER

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

eddie guardado closed that out pretty nicely.

by xrickx on Aug 4, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice work perez

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 4, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

15 pitches = 6 outs for Perez. Very nice.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 4, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ballgame

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 4, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

perez threw only 15 pitches in those two innings.

by xrickx on Aug 4, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

4 innings in 3 days, 35 pitches total

by palcal on Aug 4, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

back to john adams

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 4, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So the Indians are now 5-0 against Tampa…

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DP Dellucci: “I just swung as hard as I could.” Nice.

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Aug 4, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Think less, swing harder.

by Ryan on Aug 4, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scott Lewis tonight: 5.1 innings, 0R, 2BB, 10K

He’s ready for Buffalo.

by xrickx on Aug 4, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Laffey tonight: 6 IP, 4R, 3BB, 7H, 4Ks. Sigh.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 4, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

First start with his new mechanics. Patience.

by xrickx on Aug 4, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He needs time to get back into the flow – that’s only been his 6th start, and probably his 2nd worst, with 4 solid to good ones, one “meh” outing (tonight) and one poor outing (his second start – 5.0 IP/11 H/6 ER/1 BB/2 K vs. Richmond (ATL)).

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Something else to keep in mind about Laffey – he’s only 23-YO, one year (baseball-wise; really about 6 months actual age) younger than Adam Miller, so if he needs a little time to find himself, he has that time to do it. Now, hopefully, he can do it, though perhaps he too is a little “gassed” from last season – he did throw over 180 IP last season (that’s even before you consider his postseason outings, which didn’t add that much more, granted, but he did make at least one outing, if not more than that).

Before 2007, he threw 153.2 IP in 2006, and that was the first time he was over 150 IP, having gone 147.1 IP in 2005, so that roughly 30 IP jump from 2006 to 2007 could be having an effect on his stamina and ability to finish as we progress through this season. I know Laffey has said “he hasn’t felt right” regarding his mechanics – perhaps fatigue may have something to do with that.

Just my 2 cents and something to consider.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree – his K rate is going up, which is nice. I’d like to see him get some AAA time this year and see if perhaps he could maybe factor into the back-end of the rotation either out of ST or early on next year. At the very least, be quality starting depth early next season, since the back-end of the rotation is likely going to be filled with guys whose track records are a bit mixed and/or limited (Laffey, Sowers, Huff, Lewis, maybe Miller and Lofgren, etc.)

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Aug 4, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs