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Game Thread: August 6, 2008

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Cleveland Indians @ Tampa Bay Rays


Cleveland at Tampa Bay, 12:40 PM (STO)

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Gutierrez cf
Carroll 3b
Francisco LF
Peralta SS
Choo RF
Garko DH
Gonzalez 1b
Fasano C
Asdrubal 2B

There is no God.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure there is. But he is a spiteful God.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yuk. I hate when Grady doesn’t play. Not even as DH??

With Shoppach out too, you could argue our 2 best hitters are on the bench. Peralta would be the only one with an argument.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah without Lee pitching and Sizemore out (and none of the “new” guys called up yet), it’s hard to find a compelling reason to watch these games.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big picture on the mound and big picture batting 9th

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mr. Perfect Through Five is pitching, so we get 9 innings to their 4.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

omg why no Grady? Is he hurting? This game doesn’t seem to be worth watching. We’re just giving up.

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castrovince sez

Wedge wanted to get Grady Sizemore, who is 2-for-17 on this road trip, two consecutive days off (with Thursday’s off day). “He’s had a lot to handle this year, mentally,” Wedge said. “It’s important to give him a mental break, as much as anything. But believe me, he doesn’t want an off day.”

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where are you Michael Aubrey

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee is doing the “wiffle ball game in your backyard” promotion this year. I wonder if he will give a kid a death stare if he goes yard on Cliff.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I went yard on him I’d mock him by tipping my cap towards him as I rounded first base.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m home for lunch, waiting for the game to start and I flip on Comedy Central where there is a Steven Wright special on. Can I just mention how, in watching this, I really now want Steven Wright (the SP) to succeed. It could make game threads even better.

by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand.

http://www.basicjokes.com/dquotes.php?aid=120

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, sad lineup, sad game..sad season.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man. Usually love me some day games, but this lineup is definitely a bit of a downer.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yuk, i just realized who our 1B was today.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question: Why does Wedge have framed photos of different managers hung on the wall in his office? I saw one of Ozzie Guillen and another with the Royals guy, but there were at least, like, 10 in there. WTF is that about?

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least they aren’t action figures.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d prefer action figures. Specifically, one of Ozzie with either a towel around his neck or signaling to bring Jenks in from the dugout during his first year as closer.

Leyland with 3 smokes in his mouth.

The possibilities are endless.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like my slow-pitch softball team’s lineup better than this one.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bet Sal Fasano is a hell of a slow pitch softball player.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He seems like the guy that always has the cooler in the back of his car ready for the impromptu post-game tailgating party.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s softball – who waits until after the game?

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wedge = GENIUS, contract extension NOW

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gutz homer. Huh?

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Franky G .. you’re such a tease

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOAH

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So yea, nice lineup. (that is still sarcasm)

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a bad pitch.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, look at Droobs and VMart probably checking out some ladies in the crowd.

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LEADERSHIP

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For some reason I have a feeling this shit lineup is going to put up a dozen runs today. Stranger things have happened.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sowers is perfect through 0.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Choo, that’s not an at bat.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Choo has been annoying me.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea its things like that that make him tough to like (IMO)

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shin Soo Garko.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m watching the reds game and dusty baker is eating a peach. very funny.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s hoping there’s a toothpick inside.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could eat a peach for hours.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perfect through 1/3!

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man, i totally jinxed him.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least we got it out of the way early.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly. No pressure now!

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FLAG

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hah – Upton benched for not running out a grounder.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“it takes 4.2 seconds to run out a grounder – that’s 17 seconds outta your day”

could you see wedge saying that?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody else following on Gameday? Seems to be running slow for me.

by bogey021 on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m assuming Zobrist isn’t up to bat anymore. This isn’t going to work.

by bogey021 on Aug 6, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zobrist steals 2nd on Sowers/Fasano.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t need Gameday. Ever since Sal Fasano tried to kill me as a child, he and I have a psychic connection. It left me with a scar shaped like a mustache.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree with that call, blue.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SAL

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fasano rules.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHere’s gradyyyyyy? waaaaaaaahhh…

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gold Glove Gutz

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who said Gutz was an awesome outfielder?

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

aw fuck

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Tampa fans are acting like that was a real triple.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is the worst afternoon ever.

by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least we didnt get our hopes up.

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. Uch.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sowers now perfectly crappy through 0.2.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For those of you keeping score at home, 3 runs is more than enough for Kazmir.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kazmir has given up 3 runs or more in 6 of his 17 starts, and probably would have made it 7 last time out but he was pulled in the 5th. The bigger problem is that I’m amazed this lineup even scored one.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well yea, if he was pitching against the Yankees, I wouldn’t have said that.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leave for a minute and I miss a lot.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice pitch, Kaz.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jhonny is good, though. So…that’s good.

Seriously though, .923 OPS in July, not bad, right?

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah. Peralta is a good baseball player. I like him.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good goin, Garko. Aint got that 17 seconds, eh?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan… 4.2 seconds…. CMON!

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually, it ight take him 6.2, but whatever.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would have taken him 4.2 seconds to get 3/4 up the line before taking a right turn towards the 1st base dugout.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that’s more like it.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angel draws a walk, setting up Sal. C’mon Sal.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FASANOPOWER

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick, name your favorite backup dinosaur:

FASANOSAUROS!

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

very coincidental.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eerie, indeed.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hegan says Fasano looks like CHef Boyardee

??

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zobrist played that like it was his first-ever start in CF and third MLB inning out there. Which it is.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zobrist played that like it was his first-ever start in CF and third MLB inning out there. Which it is.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice job, team.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo cabrera. boo.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least Homer Bailey blows azzdribbles. 3-1 Brewers.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, i’m watching that game. Only problem with rooting for the brewers… craig counsel.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was on that Arizona ws team, right? Yea i don’t like him either.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

yeah, but that’s not why i hate him.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that’s not what i meant, but i think i remember not liking him during that series.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point, I hope Fasano gets Garko’s roster spot when Victor comes back.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not a bad idea, but we’d waste that option.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SuperSowers!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New Jeremy is nowhere in sight, if he exists at all.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting 15 straight outs wasn’t working for him, so he’s just trying to mix it up a bit.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i viewed it as old Jeremy was back.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its 5.20am, just seen the line up, stay watching or get some extra sleep?

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, you got some big-picture watching with the outfield and AbaCab. Peralta is watchable.

I’d get another hour of sleep and then watch.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jay – do you think Peralta is a tribesman next year?

by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know this is an oft-mentioned topic. I love the guy, but I think we can exploit him. Thoughts?

by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t see why. Jhonny is a guy you can build around.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there’s a fat SS joke in here i just don’t want to put the effort in to.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t see us getting fair value for him. .270 with .800 OPS at SS is just not easily replaceable. I think his defensive struggles are overstated. At some point 3B may be more appropriate, but I think that’s a couple seasons away, plus its not like we have a dozen middle IFers knocking down the door in the system. He is barely blocking Cabrera, who can’t hit and is still contributing by playing 2B.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a pretty good assessment.

We probably won’t get offered a truckload for him, and he’s worth a truckload, and we deny ourselves his services unless we’re getting a truckload back.

If there was a team that was a really good fit — that really didn’t have a decent shortstop and really needed power from teh right side — then it could happen, but it probably won’t.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, and I forgot to mention his team friendly contract.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since Jeremy has no interest in throwing to 2B, Peralta’s dancing around is just taking him out of position.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he ohwns Kazmir.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jhonny

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the tease continues.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No tease here..this boy is good.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SEE YA GARK!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why trade Jhonny?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte PHs for Garko.

by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, you know your sunk when you;re getting pulled fro Marte.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

weird. Is Garko hurt/?

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you quote Neyer maybe, but if you’re just running the conversation between Manning and Underwood, then I don’t see any problem as ESPN has no rights on it.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In his Wednesday column, Rob Neyer reproduces the Underwood/Manning broadcast transcript from the Betancourt/Longoria at-bat last night.

Needless to say, he was amused by Manning’s insight and the whole exchange in general.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s subscription content.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was the jist of Manning’s insight?

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it wrong for me to post it here?

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you quote Neyer maybe, but if you’re just running the conversation between Manning and Underwood, then I don’t see any problem as ESPN has no rights on it.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, Neyer quoted me without citing!

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well then, you get a free pass. Quote away, as an eye-for-an-eye solves every conflict, right?

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rick Manning: No, no, no. He’s that quick, Matt. I’m telling you, the guy loves a fastball. They’ve been gettin’ him out with offspeed pitches: changeups, sliders. Don’t throw him a fastball, especially there. But that was up and away, and he yanked it foul. He’s got a quick bat. And if you throw it inside, it’s going to go farther.
And
Manning: Holy smokes. This kid. They have done a terrific job this year with this guy at the plate, the Indians’ staff. He is a dead red hitter. He matches up good with Betancourt because he’s got a straight fastball. You gotta really throw that fastball down and away and off the plate, and attack him with breaking balls and offspeed pitches.

Underwood: Here comes the heater away.

Manning: It better be away.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you quote Neyer maybe, but if you’re just running the conversation between Manning and Underwood, then I don’t see any problem as ESPN has no rights on it.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hated the day ESPN started making people pay to read Neyer.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty much the only reason I signed up for “Insider.” Although I do like reading their scouting reports for football games, and all the draft stuff they have.

The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neyer alone is probably worth it, but I’d rather buy his books so ESPN doesn’t get the money.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i signed up for Insider for their bluebook info on the NCAA tournament 3 years ago.

i’m lazy and have had it on monthly auto-renew ever since. for the past 14 months, i’ve been telling myself i need to call and cancel.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m going to end up in the same boat. I signed up for the “free trial” to see my thing on there and haven’t cancelled since.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Considering it’s about the only thing that I pay for on the internet, I don’t mind. And it’s not too expensive…I think about $45 a year. You also get a subscription to their magazine (which I don’t read). I called them and asked if I they would lower my rate without the magazine but they wouldn’t do that. So I had it sent to my younger brother….he’ll probably like that.

The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The magazine’s not half bad. It’s good light reading if you’re bored.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I signed up for a ESPN.com username, I put my name down as The King. It was during my MYOB, log in via bugmenot.com phase. Then I paid for Insider, so now every month I get a magazine addressed to The King.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would be appropriate for me, as it usually goes straight onto my “throne”.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jhonny is awesome.

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, take that Garko!! Wedge sending a message.

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What did Garko do in his first AB?

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, what did Garko do?

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Failed to run out a grounder to 1B

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How could you tell the difference between that and Garko running all out?

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hit a dinky grounder just foul but it skipped back fair. He didn’t run and just watched it roll.

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Radio guys just recapped it, he hit a ball down the first base line that stayed fair and never left the batters box

by Fios on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He hit a dribbler in his first AB down the 1B line that bounced back fair and Garko never left the box.

by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was Garko Lolligaging? I missed it.

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn. That is so un-grittywhiteguy of him.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garko is way too tall to be gritty.

The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe if he had a beard..

by brookjacoby on Aug 6, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

love the user name.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too. Master of the solo HR.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks…one of my favorites

by brookjacoby on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For those who missed it, Garko hit a dribbler to first & apparently didn’t even leave the batters box.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Extra bad because the Rays benched BJ Upton for today because he did the same thing last night, I think.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn. It’s not the same thing, but how about Grady laying back on the ball in the OF yesterday and letting Pena take the extra bag?

Boys are getting complacent.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Grady’s not in the lineup.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea, Wedge says it’s about getting him a two-day rest. But I thought Wedge woulda been warranted pulling him yesterday for that. Interesting scenario.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan, if you’re surfing back in the clubhouse, you might want to take a look here

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

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by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let it be known that on this date and time, in the midst of a full season of play, the Indians’ shortstop has a slugging percentage over .500

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m telling you, stud.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also! Entering today’s game, highest OPS in the AL for a SS by over 50 points, and third overall, behind Hanley Ramirez and Jose Reyes.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hanley Ramirez is just ridiculous. Offensively, what CAN’T the guy do?

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manage to injure his leg without stepping out of the batter’s box?

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That does take some sort of mad skillz, the kind that are usually underappreciated.

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

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by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has no sac bunts this year. Slacker.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m kind of surprised that that’s not less common. Three SS did it in 2007, and 19 from 2000-2007, including Peralta in 2005. There have been 66 SS with SLG over .500 since 1901, and half of them have been since 1991.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The A-Rod, Garciaparra, Jeter, Tejada shortstop group was/is rare.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rotoworld is reporting an apparent leg injury to Garko. I didn’t see the AB, so I don’t know. Chances are, they didn’t see it either.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...or at least that was Garko’s excuse when he got back to the dugout.

Wedge: “Why didn’t you run out that grounder, Ryan?”

Garko: “Run out the..uh…OW my leg!!!”

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A DL “break” and then a “rehab” assignment might be a nice way for Gark to walk away from the game for a bit and then get some AAA ABs without ruining the option.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I forgot the most important part:

.....
Wedge: “Someone call Rotoworld!”

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When he went back to the dugout after the AB he wasn’t limping or anything and didn’t call the trainers over, so I’m doubting it.

Oh wait…. yeah… a leg injury… Calling Michael Aubrey.

by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probability that Garko is on the 25-man at the start of the 2009 season? That he’s in the organization at all?

by spreidel on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’ll be in the organization, and he may have to compete for the 1B job in the spring.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m glad Jhonny is hitting fr power again, but I hope this isn’t his transition into an all-or-nothing Khalil Greene-esque philosophy.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where does that comparison come from? They are nothing alike.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offensively, they are not alike?

Moderate overall power, but above average power for the middle infield. Spike in power accompanied by a drastic decrease in the walk rate. What’s not similar?

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps I was too harsh. I admit they both have an H in their name where it is not necessary. Jhonny’s career on base percentage is 30 points better than Greene’s. It’s just same old doom and gloom – I suppose we should root for him to walk instead of hit for power.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re missing the point. Let’s talk about, generally, the known pattern of offensive maturation.

Batter learns strike zone. Batter doesn’t swing at balls. Batter only swings at strikes. Swinging at strikes enables batter to hit better. Batter matures into better hitter.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PS: When batter doesn’t swing at balls, and four of such balls are viewed in one plate appearance, batter awarded free base.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? When was this rule put into place? Tell me more? You’ve really my level of awareness about the game in general, and Jhonny in particular.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You seem offended, as if you already knew drawing walks was a desired skill, and, on that some token, that a decline in that skill is somewhat alarming.

Which is exactly, for the third time, my original point.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don’t get it. You’re just so smart. Except your point was that because Jhonny is now hitting a monster OPS the last month+, he will turn into Khalil Greene, which is nonsense.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now you’re just being difficult.

I guarantee you that if the walk rate continues to decline, the power will go away.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I didn’t say he’ll turn into Khalil Greene. That’s you being dense and reading what you want to read. I said that he’ll succumb to a similar TREND as Khalil Greene.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don’t even really see that trend for Greene. Greene hasn’t had a good walk rate since his rookie season, and he was never as good of a contact hitter or power hitter as Jhonny.

More than 90% of hitters need to maintain a certain level of selectivity in order to be effective at the plate. Khalil is not a particularly good example of one, he’s a mundane example of a mediocre hitter with a mediocre walk rate.

If you want to draw a comparison, I’d try to find a good hitter who had trouble staying good. Like Ryan Garko.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha. You love you some Ryan Garko failure.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, you said all or nothing Khalil Greene philosophy. So show me what trend/philophy/ethos that my dense skull cannot comprehend that KG exhibits that should be so worrysome vis a vis our shortstop who needs to stop hitting pitches down the middle for power.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’ve officially missed the boat.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And what boat is that? The Titanic? If you’re trying to bait me into calling you a pompous ass who is incapable of making a cogent point on this issue, but is highly capable of changing the subject and posting inflammatory comments, you won’t succeed. But hey, have fun.

by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And oh…it’s not the be-all, end-all, but take a look at the list of comparable batters for Jhonny Peralta.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s a crap tool for this argument. Bill James similarity scores are for comparing the entire career accomplishments of different players, not for distinguishing types of players.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Khalil Greene’s HR totals in the majors: 15-15-15-27-10 (projects to 15). He didn’t have a spike in power, he had a one-time aberration of a season.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Khalil Greene = sucky shortstop.

We hope that Jhonny does not = sucky shortstop.

Does that work?

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point is that Peralta is on pace to draw 20 less walks this year. If you’re Adam Dunn, alternating between 120 and 100 walks, it’s one thing.

When you’re Jhonny Peralta, going from 60 to 40 walks is losing 33% of your free passes. That’s a change in hitting philosophy, unless pitchers just really focused extra special -and achieved the goal-to not to walk you for the entire year.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know if I agree with your premise. Yes, 20 fewer walks is a 33% decrease, but in a 600 AB season, it’s just a 3.3% change in his walk rate. I don’t think I’d call that a change in one’s hitting philosophy, but that could just be me, especially when his overall hitting ability is up (could be at-bats where, in the past, he’d swing and miss at strike 1 and end up walking, whereas this year he’s hitting strike 1..when we’re only talking 20 ABs, little things like this add up and become significant).

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’s also on pace to have more hits, more 2B, more 3B, more HR and fewer SO. His OBP will be down, but his SLG up so he’ll have the 2nd highest OPS of his career. Sure, I’d rather have all that plus walks, but perhaps you can’t have everything. I’d also like to trade Garko for Pujols straight up. Plus a pony.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who gets the pony?

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a 6-year-old niece who would love a pony.

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I posted it above, and I’ll post it here. If the walk rate stays down, the power will go away.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

except players with power and low BB rate do exist. Soriano, Tejada, Phillips are a few off the top of my head.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tejada’s a different type of hitter. Phillips is a good comp, actually. But it’s hard to be productive when you sport an OBP below .320

OBP is undervalued in this whole OBP/SLG equation. The Indians and Jhonny would be better off with him producing .400/.400 lines than a .300/.500 line.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those are the choices?

Jhonny isn’t going to have a .400 OBP. The tenth-best OBP in the whole league is .384.

He’s going to draw walks, but he’s not going to lead the league, and he’s going to hit well, but not .300.

The target should be more like .350/.480.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Jhonny isn’t a .400/.400 guy. He never will be. .400/.400 MIGHT be better than .300/.500, but that doesn’t make the latter bad. Peralta is a .330/.470 guy, and that is pretty damn good.

by DaytonDogg on Aug 6, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was just stressing the fact that 100 points of OBP is worth more than 100 points of SLG. I don’t think Peralta will ever have a .400 OBP. But I think him fully capable of being in the .340 to .360 range.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, the point you’re making doesn’t really have anything to do with Peralta in particular, so it’s confusing why you’re making it.

Peralta’s walk rate needs to recover in order for him to continue being a good hitter anyway, but I don’t think he’s a guy that you ask to be more selective so that his OBP will go up. He needs to be selective so he can slug .500, and whatever OBP comes with that, comes with that.

Let’s not forget, swings in slugging are much more severe than swings in OBP. 100 points of OBP is much more valuable than 100 points of slugging, but 50 points of OBP is not as valuable as 100 points of slugging.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gasp…..the big picture point, going all the way back to Peralta: is there a cost to this rediscovered power?

I like the increased power. But I’m not sure if the power is the result of Jhonny’s maturation as a hitter or Jhonny making other sacrifices in his game. And if so, it will be interesting to see what type of hitter he becomes if this is a shift in his offensive game. We’ve seen a pretty complete offensive game in 2005, and I hope that’s what he’s trending toward.

As confusing a hitter as Peralta has been so far, I’m even more confused by his year this year.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While it could be a fluke, that actually is a pretty big drop in the rate.

Interesting thing is that Peralta’s walk rate was more along career norms for April-May, 16 BB in 199 PA — .233/.294/.461.

Since then, it’s only 10 BB in 244 PA — .302/.332/.517.

I do think that he won’t succeed long term if the walk rate doesn’t come back — it sure seems to have doomed Garko — but I also think that it’s going to come back. I hate to oversimplify things, but I think Jhonny has simply seen more balls that he wants to swing over the last couple of months.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that’s it. For example, he’s already put more 2-1 counts in play than he did all of last year, and he has a 1.478 OPS with a 2-1 count.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which suggests that pitchers are giving in to him on that count — basically, not nibbling as much as they should — and when Jhonny is seeing the ball well, he’ll make him pay for that.

Anyway, what you’re implying (intentionally or not) is that Peralta may be just as selective pitch-by-pitch as he was last season, he’s just capitalizing by hitting in hitter’s counts rather than actually drawing the walk. If that is the case, then pitchers eventually will adjust and the walks will come back, even if Jhonny’s approach stays the same.

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not implying it. I’m saying it. Look at his count-by-count splits and you’ll see that his approach isn’t that different from last year. He’s not swinging at the first pitch as much as some other Indians we could name, and when a count does get to three balls, he’s reaching base 61% of the time.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love me some Choo.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Trop’s little league height LF fence just stole a run.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then the Magic Helmet got it back.

by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jhonny is soooo good! I’m going to keep saying it.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you mean, rhuns?

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MARTE PARTY!!

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good time machine?

by bogey021 on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte to be permanent pinch-hitter.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And to think, this whole time Wedge has been pinch hitting FOR him and not WITH him.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MARTE

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Halfway to the cycle!

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kazmir does not scare this line-up!

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except when he nearly hits them.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marte is a lot better when he is allowed to swing freely (Not being constrained by working the pitch count). I’m just not sure if that is good enough to stay with the team.

SSS but he is hitting close to .400 when swinging at the first pitch.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How long before Sowers squanders the lead?

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait for it..

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sorry … why is Gonzalez in this game?

by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Aubrey needs to help Buffalo?

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don’t even know who he is. I think I hate him though.

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is Marte not at 3B?

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he was sitting the bench until Garko screwed up.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He pinch-hit for Garko, who was the DH. Inserting him at 3b would mean the Indians lose the DH.

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AH! I always forget that rule.

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Send the tape to the league!

by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor Jeremy .. he deserves better.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing beats an afternoon of bad baseball!

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor Mujica… nothing gets by the radio guys.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mujica just fell down in the bullpen? Great.

by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We just… our bullpen pitchers can’t stand up… great…

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let’s see the cycle.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Rays give anything to Peralta that he can hit with a base open, then they are being particularly stupid.

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. They really went right at him. Good for Jhonny.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let’s hear it for stupidity.

Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awesome.

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow Jhonny

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m telling you! I am not gonna stop.

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person

by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lose the DH?

this could get interesting.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?!

by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Garko’s gone. Gonzalez is in there already. Marte’s in the DH spot. This could be good.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm… what… Astro nooo…

If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.

by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

aww damn Droobs

by Tim1122 on Aug 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doubtful.

plus, Sean was traded years ago.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dellucci to 1B?

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wedge’s kneejerk reaction to Garko may hurt the team.

by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can’t anticipate that. Garko deserved to be benched in that spot.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re right. Garko should have been riding the bench to begin with.

by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fasano to 1B?

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he’s the new Casey.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what happened?

Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.

by cclemens31 on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Droobs turned his ankle running onto the field.

Welcome to 2008.

by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs