Game Thread: August 6, 2008
by Ryan on Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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Cleveland Indians at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 6, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
Cleveland at Tampa Bay, 12:40 PM (STO)
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Gutierrez cf
Carroll 3b
Francisco LF
Peralta SS
Choo RF
Garko DH
Gonzalez 1b
Fasano C
Asdrubal 2B
There is no God.
by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure there is. But he is a spiteful God.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yuk. I hate when Grady doesn’t play. Not even as DH??
With Shoppach out too, you could argue our 2 best hitters are on the bench. Peralta would be the only one with an argument.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah without Lee pitching and Sizemore out (and none of the “new” guys called up yet), it’s hard to find a compelling reason to watch these games.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big picture on the mound and big picture batting 9th
by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Perfect Through Five is pitching, so we get 9 innings to their 4.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg why no Grady? Is he hurting? This game doesn’t seem to be worth watching. We’re just giving up.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castrovince sez
Wedge wanted to get Grady Sizemore, who is 2-for-17 on this road trip, two consecutive days off (with Thursday’s off day). “He’s had a lot to handle this year, mentally,” Wedge said. “It’s important to give him a mental break, as much as anything. But believe me, he doesn’t want an off day.”
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee is doing the “wiffle ball game in your backyard” promotion this year. I wonder if he will give a kid a death stare if he goes yard on Cliff.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I went yard on him I’d mock him by tipping my cap towards him as I rounded first base.
by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m home for lunch, waiting for the game to start and I flip on Comedy Central where there is a Steven Wright special on. Can I just mention how, in watching this, I really now want Steven Wright (the SP) to succeed. It could make game threads even better.
by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, sad lineup, sad game..sad season.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man. Usually love me some day games, but this lineup is definitely a bit of a downer.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yuk, i just realized who our 1B was today.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question: Why does Wedge have framed photos of different managers hung on the wall in his office? I saw one of Ozzie Guillen and another with the Royals guy, but there were at least, like, 10 in there. WTF is that about?
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least they aren’t action figures.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d prefer action figures. Specifically, one of Ozzie with either a towel around his neck or signaling to bring Jenks in from the dugout during his first year as closer.
Leyland with 3 smokes in his mouth.
The possibilities are endless.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like my slow-pitch softball team’s lineup better than this one.
by ASP on Aug 6, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet Sal Fasano is a hell of a slow pitch softball player.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like the guy that always has the cooler in the back of his car ready for the impromptu post-game tailgating party.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s softball – who waits until after the game?
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOAH
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So yea, nice lineup. (that is still sarcasm)
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, look at Droobs and VMart probably checking out some ladies in the crowd.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LEADERSHIP
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I have a feeling this shit lineup is going to put up a dozen runs today. Stranger things have happened.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Choo, that’s not an at bat.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea its things like that that make him tough to like (IMO)
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m watching the reds game and dusty baker is eating a peach. very funny.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s hoping there’s a toothpick inside.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could eat a peach for hours.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect through 1/3!
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man, i totally jinxed him.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least we got it out of the way early.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. No pressure now!
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FLAG
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah – Upton benched for not running out a grounder.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“it takes 4.2 seconds to run out a grounder – that’s 17 seconds outta your day”
could you see wedge saying that?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else following on Gameday? Seems to be running slow for me.
by bogey021 on Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m assuming Zobrist isn’t up to bat anymore. This isn’t going to work.
by bogey021 on Aug 6, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist steals 2nd on Sowers/Fasano.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t need Gameday. Ever since Sal Fasano tried to kill me as a child, he and I have a psychic connection. It left me with a scar shaped like a mustache.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SAL
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHere’s gradyyyyyy? waaaaaaaahhh…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who said Gutz was an awesome outfielder?
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aw fuck
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tampa fans are acting like that was a real triple.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Uch.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For those of you keeping score at home, 3 runs is more than enough for Kazmir.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kazmir has given up 3 runs or more in 6 of his 17 starts, and probably would have made it 7 last time out but he was pulled in the 5th. The bigger problem is that I’m amazed this lineup even scored one.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yea, if he was pitching against the Yankees, I wouldn’t have said that.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice pitch, Kaz.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny is good, though. So…that’s good.
Seriously though, .923 OPS in July, not bad, right?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah. Peralta is a good baseball player. I like him.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good goin, Garko. Aint got that 17 seconds, eh?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan… 4.2 seconds…. CMON!
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually, it ight take him 6.2, but whatever.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have taken him 4.2 seconds to get 3/4 up the line before taking a right turn towards the 1st base dugout.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s more like it.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel draws a walk, setting up Sal. C’mon Sal.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FASANOPOWER
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick, name your favorite backup dinosaur:
FASANOSAUROS!
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
very coincidental.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eerie, indeed.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hegan says Fasano looks like CHef Boyardee
??
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist played that like it was his first-ever start in CF and third MLB inning out there. Which it is.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist played that like it was his first-ever start in CF and third MLB inning out there. Which it is.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rec
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice job, team.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Homer Bailey blows azzdribbles. 3-1 Brewers.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i’m watching that game. Only problem with rooting for the brewers… craig counsel.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was on that Arizona ws team, right? Yea i don’t like him either.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, but that’s not why i hate him.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s not what i meant, but i think i remember not liking him during that series.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I hope Fasano gets Garko’s roster spot when Victor comes back.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea, but we’d waste that option.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SuperSowers!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New Jeremy is nowhere in sight, if he exists at all.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting 15 straight outs wasn’t working for him, so he’s just trying to mix it up a bit.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i viewed it as old Jeremy was back.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its 5.20am, just seen the line up, stay watching or get some extra sleep?
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you got some big-picture watching with the outfield and AbaCab. Peralta is watchable.
I’d get another hour of sleep and then watch.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay – do you think Peralta is a tribesman next year?
by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is an oft-mentioned topic. I love the guy, but I think we can exploit him. Thoughts?
by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why. Jhonny is a guy you can build around.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s a fat SS joke in here i just don’t want to put the effort in to.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see us getting fair value for him. .270 with .800 OPS at SS is just not easily replaceable. I think his defensive struggles are overstated. At some point 3B may be more appropriate, but I think that’s a couple seasons away, plus its not like we have a dozen middle IFers knocking down the door in the system. He is barely blocking Cabrera, who can’t hit and is still contributing by playing 2B.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a pretty good assessment.
We probably won’t get offered a truckload for him, and he’s worth a truckload, and we deny ourselves his services unless we’re getting a truckload back.
If there was a team that was a really good fit — that really didn’t have a decent shortstop and really needed power from teh right side — then it could happen, but it probably won’t.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and I forgot to mention his team friendly contract.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Jeremy has no interest in throwing to 2B, Peralta’s dancing around is just taking him out of position.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he ohwns Kazmir.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the tease continues.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No tease here..this boy is good.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SEE YA GARK!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why trade Jhonny?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you know your sunk when you;re getting pulled fro Marte.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you quote Neyer maybe, but if you’re just running the conversation between Manning and Underwood, then I don’t see any problem as ESPN has no rights on it.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his Wednesday column, Rob Neyer reproduces the Underwood/Manning broadcast transcript from the Betancourt/Longoria at-bat last night.
Needless to say, he was amused by Manning’s insight and the whole exchange in general.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What was the jist of Manning’s insight?
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it wrong for me to post it here?
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you quote Neyer maybe, but if you’re just running the conversation between Manning and Underwood, then I don’t see any problem as ESPN has no rights on it.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Neyer quoted me without citing!
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then, you get a free pass. Quote away, as an eye-for-an-eye solves every conflict, right?
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Manning: No, no, no. He’s that quick, Matt. I’m telling you, the guy loves a fastball. They’ve been gettin’ him out with offspeed pitches: changeups, sliders. Don’t throw him a fastball, especially there. But that was up and away, and he yanked it foul. He’s got a quick bat. And if you throw it inside, it’s going to go farther.And
Manning: Holy smokes. This kid. They have done a terrific job this year with this guy at the plate, the Indians’ staff. He is a dead red hitter. He matches up good with Betancourt because he’s got a straight fastball. You gotta really throw that fastball down and away and off the plate, and attack him with breaking balls and offspeed pitches.Underwood: Here comes the heater away.
Manning: It better be away.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you quote Neyer maybe, but if you’re just running the conversation between Manning and Underwood, then I don’t see any problem as ESPN has no rights on it.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated the day ESPN started making people pay to read Neyer.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much the only reason I signed up for “Insider.” Although I do like reading their scouting reports for football games, and all the draft stuff they have.
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neyer alone is probably worth it, but I’d rather buy his books so ESPN doesn’t get the money.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i signed up for Insider for their bluebook info on the NCAA tournament 3 years ago.
i’m lazy and have had it on monthly auto-renew ever since. for the past 14 months, i’ve been telling myself i need to call and cancel.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to end up in the same boat. I signed up for the “free trial” to see my thing on there and haven’t cancelled since.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering it’s about the only thing that I pay for on the internet, I don’t mind. And it’s not too expensive…I think about $45 a year. You also get a subscription to their magazine (which I don’t read). I called them and asked if I they would lower my rate without the magazine but they wouldn’t do that. So I had it sent to my younger brother….he’ll probably like that.
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The magazine’s not half bad. It’s good light reading if you’re bored.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I signed up for a ESPN.com username, I put my name down as The King. It was during my MYOB, log in via bugmenot.com phase. Then I paid for Insider, so now every month I get a magazine addressed to The King.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be appropriate for me, as it usually goes straight onto my “throne”.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny is awesome.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, take that Garko!! Wedge sending a message.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How could you tell the difference between that and Garko running all out?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hit a dinky grounder just foul but it skipped back fair. He didn’t run and just watched it roll.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radio guys just recapped it, he hit a ball down the first base line that stayed fair and never left the batters box
by Fios on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit a dribbler in his first AB down the 1B line that bounced back fair and Garko never left the box.
by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Garko Lolligaging? I missed it.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn. That is so un-grittywhiteguy of him.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garko is way too tall to be gritty.
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Master of the solo HR.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those who missed it, Garko hit a dribbler to first & apparently didn’t even leave the batters box.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Extra bad because the Rays benched BJ Upton for today because he did the same thing last night, I think.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn. It’s not the same thing, but how about Grady laying back on the ball in the OF yesterday and letting Pena take the extra bag?
Boys are getting complacent.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, Wedge says it’s about getting him a two-day rest. But I thought Wedge woulda been warranted pulling him yesterday for that. Interesting scenario.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan, if you’re surfing back in the clubhouse, you might want to take a look here
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let it be known that on this date and time, in the midst of a full season of play, the Indians’ shortstop has a slugging percentage over .500
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m telling you, stud.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also! Entering today’s game, highest OPS in the AL for a SS by over 50 points, and third overall, behind Hanley Ramirez and Jose Reyes.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley Ramirez is just ridiculous. Offensively, what CAN’T the guy do?
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manage to injure his leg without stepping out of the batter’s box?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That does take some sort of mad skillz, the kind that are usually underappreciated.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has no sac bunts this year. Slacker.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kind of surprised that that’s not less common. Three SS did it in 2007, and 19 from 2000-2007, including Peralta in 2005. There have been 66 SS with SLG over .500 since 1901, and half of them have been since 1991.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A-Rod, Garciaparra, Jeter, Tejada shortstop group was/is rare.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld is reporting an apparent leg injury to Garko. I didn’t see the AB, so I don’t know. Chances are, they didn’t see it either.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...or at least that was Garko’s excuse when he got back to the dugout.
Wedge: “Why didn’t you run out that grounder, Ryan?”
Garko: “Run out the..uh…OW my leg!!!”
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A DL “break” and then a “rehab” assignment might be a nice way for Gark to walk away from the game for a bit and then get some AAA ABs without ruining the option.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot the most important part:
.....
Wedge: “Someone call Rotoworld!”
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he went back to the dugout after the AB he wasn’t limping or anything and didn’t call the trainers over, so I’m doubting it.
Oh wait…. yeah… a leg injury… Calling Michael Aubrey.
by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probability that Garko is on the 25-man at the start of the 2009 season? That he’s in the organization at all?
by spreidel on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’ll be in the organization, and he may have to compete for the 1B job in the spring.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad Jhonny is hitting fr power again, but I hope this isn’t his transition into an all-or-nothing Khalil Greene-esque philosophy.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where does that comparison come from? They are nothing alike.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensively, they are not alike?
Moderate overall power, but above average power for the middle infield. Spike in power accompanied by a drastic decrease in the walk rate. What’s not similar?
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I was too harsh. I admit they both have an H in their name where it is not necessary. Jhonny’s career on base percentage is 30 points better than Greene’s. It’s just same old doom and gloom – I suppose we should root for him to walk instead of hit for power.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re missing the point. Let’s talk about, generally, the known pattern of offensive maturation.
Batter learns strike zone. Batter doesn’t swing at balls. Batter only swings at strikes. Swinging at strikes enables batter to hit better. Batter matures into better hitter.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS: When batter doesn’t swing at balls, and four of such balls are viewed in one plate appearance, batter awarded free base.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? When was this rule put into place? Tell me more? You’ve really my level of awareness about the game in general, and Jhonny in particular.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem offended, as if you already knew drawing walks was a desired skill, and, on that some token, that a decline in that skill is somewhat alarming.
Which is exactly, for the third time, my original point.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t get it. You’re just so smart. Except your point was that because Jhonny is now hitting a monster OPS the last month+, he will turn into Khalil Greene, which is nonsense.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you’re just being difficult.
I guarantee you that if the walk rate continues to decline, the power will go away.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I didn’t say he’ll turn into Khalil Greene. That’s you being dense and reading what you want to read. I said that he’ll succumb to a similar TREND as Khalil Greene.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t even really see that trend for Greene. Greene hasn’t had a good walk rate since his rookie season, and he was never as good of a contact hitter or power hitter as Jhonny.
More than 90% of hitters need to maintain a certain level of selectivity in order to be effective at the plate. Khalil is not a particularly good example of one, he’s a mundane example of a mediocre hitter with a mediocre walk rate.
If you want to draw a comparison, I’d try to find a good hitter who had trouble staying good. Like Ryan Garko.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. You love you some Ryan Garko failure.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you said all or nothing Khalil Greene philosophy. So show me what trend/philophy/ethos that my dense skull cannot comprehend that KG exhibits that should be so worrysome vis a vis our shortstop who needs to stop hitting pitches down the middle for power.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what boat is that? The Titanic? If you’re trying to bait me into calling you a pompous ass who is incapable of making a cogent point on this issue, but is highly capable of changing the subject and posting inflammatory comments, you won’t succeed. But hey, have fun.
by Fredward on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And oh…it’s not the be-all, end-all, but take a look at the list of comparable batters for Jhonny Peralta.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a crap tool for this argument. Bill James similarity scores are for comparing the entire career accomplishments of different players, not for distinguishing types of players.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khalil Greene’s HR totals in the majors: 15-15-15-27-10 (projects to 15). He didn’t have a spike in power, he had a one-time aberration of a season.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khalil Greene = sucky shortstop.
We hope that Jhonny does not = sucky shortstop.
Does that work?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that Peralta is on pace to draw 20 less walks this year. If you’re Adam Dunn, alternating between 120 and 100 walks, it’s one thing.
When you’re Jhonny Peralta, going from 60 to 40 walks is losing 33% of your free passes. That’s a change in hitting philosophy, unless pitchers just really focused extra special -and achieved the goal-to not to walk you for the entire year.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I agree with your premise. Yes, 20 fewer walks is a 33% decrease, but in a 600 AB season, it’s just a 3.3% change in his walk rate. I don’t think I’d call that a change in one’s hitting philosophy, but that could just be me, especially when his overall hitting ability is up (could be at-bats where, in the past, he’d swing and miss at strike 1 and end up walking, whereas this year he’s hitting strike 1..when we’re only talking 20 ABs, little things like this add up and become significant).
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also on pace to have more hits, more 2B, more 3B, more HR and fewer SO. His OBP will be down, but his SLG up so he’ll have the 2nd highest OPS of his career. Sure, I’d rather have all that plus walks, but perhaps you can’t have everything. I’d also like to trade Garko for Pujols straight up. Plus a pony.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who gets the pony?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a 6-year-old niece who would love a pony.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted it above, and I’ll post it here. If the walk rate stays down, the power will go away.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except players with power and low BB rate do exist. Soriano, Tejada, Phillips are a few off the top of my head.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada’s a different type of hitter. Phillips is a good comp, actually. But it’s hard to be productive when you sport an OBP below .320
OBP is undervalued in this whole OBP/SLG equation. The Indians and Jhonny would be better off with him producing .400/.400 lines than a .300/.500 line.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are the choices?
Jhonny isn’t going to have a .400 OBP. The tenth-best OBP in the whole league is .384.
He’s going to draw walks, but he’s not going to lead the league, and he’s going to hit well, but not .300.
The target should be more like .350/.480.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Jhonny isn’t a .400/.400 guy. He never will be. .400/.400 MIGHT be better than .300/.500, but that doesn’t make the latter bad. Peralta is a .330/.470 guy, and that is pretty damn good.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just stressing the fact that 100 points of OBP is worth more than 100 points of SLG. I don’t think Peralta will ever have a .400 OBP. But I think him fully capable of being in the .340 to .360 range.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, the point you’re making doesn’t really have anything to do with Peralta in particular, so it’s confusing why you’re making it.
Peralta’s walk rate needs to recover in order for him to continue being a good hitter anyway, but I don’t think he’s a guy that you ask to be more selective so that his OBP will go up. He needs to be selective so he can slug .500, and whatever OBP comes with that, comes with that.
Let’s not forget, swings in slugging are much more severe than swings in OBP. 100 points of OBP is much more valuable than 100 points of slugging, but 50 points of OBP is not as valuable as 100 points of slugging.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gasp…..the big picture point, going all the way back to Peralta: is there a cost to this rediscovered power?
I like the increased power. But I’m not sure if the power is the result of Jhonny’s maturation as a hitter or Jhonny making other sacrifices in his game. And if so, it will be interesting to see what type of hitter he becomes if this is a shift in his offensive game. We’ve seen a pretty complete offensive game in 2005, and I hope that’s what he’s trending toward.
As confusing a hitter as Peralta has been so far, I’m even more confused by his year this year.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it could be a fluke, that actually is a pretty big drop in the rate.
Interesting thing is that Peralta’s walk rate was more along career norms for April-May, 16 BB in 199 PA — .233/.294/.461.
Since then, it’s only 10 BB in 244 PA — .302/.332/.517.
I do think that he won’t succeed long term if the walk rate doesn’t come back — it sure seems to have doomed Garko — but I also think that it’s going to come back. I hate to oversimplify things, but I think Jhonny has simply seen more balls that he wants to swing over the last couple of months.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s it. For example, he’s already put more 2-1 counts in play than he did all of last year, and he has a 1.478 OPS with a 2-1 count.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which suggests that pitchers are giving in to him on that count — basically, not nibbling as much as they should — and when Jhonny is seeing the ball well, he’ll make him pay for that.
Anyway, what you’re implying (intentionally or not) is that Peralta may be just as selective pitch-by-pitch as he was last season, he’s just capitalizing by hitting in hitter’s counts rather than actually drawing the walk. If that is the case, then pitchers eventually will adjust and the walks will come back, even if Jhonny’s approach stays the same.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not implying it. I’m saying it. Look at his count-by-count splits and you’ll see that his approach isn’t that different from last year. He’s not swinging at the first pitch as much as some other Indians we could name, and when a count does get to three balls, he’s reaching base 61% of the time.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Trop’s little league height LF fence just stole a run.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny is soooo good! I’m going to keep saying it.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean, rhuns?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MARTE PARTY!!
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And to think, this whole time Wedge has been pinch hitting FOR him and not WITH him.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MARTE
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halfway to the cycle!
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except when he nearly hits them.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marte is a lot better when he is allowed to swing freely (Not being constrained by working the pitch count). I’m just not sure if that is good enough to stay with the team.
SSS but he is hitting close to .400 when swinging at the first pitch.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How long before Sowers squanders the lead?
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait for it..
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Aubrey needs to help Buffalo?
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t even know who he is. I think I hate him though.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Marte not at 3B?
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he was sitting the bench until Garko screwed up.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pinch-hit for Garko, who was the DH. Inserting him at 3b would mean the Indians lose the DH.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AH! I always forget that rule.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing beats an afternoon of bad baseball!
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Mujica… nothing gets by the radio guys.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mujica just fell down in the bullpen? Great.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We just… our bullpen pitchers can’t stand up… great…
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Rays give anything to Peralta that he can hit with a base open, then they are being particularly stupid.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. They really went right at him. Good for Jhonny.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hear it for stupidity.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow Jhonny
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m telling you! I am not gonna stop.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lose the DH?
this could get interesting.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Garko’s gone. Gonzalez is in there already. Marte’s in the DH spot. This could be good.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
umm… what… Astro nooo…
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Casey play 2b??
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
doubtful.
plus, Sean was traded years ago.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge’s kneejerk reaction to Garko may hurt the team.
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can’t anticipate that. Garko deserved to be benched in that spot.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. Garko should have been riding the bench to begin with.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s the new Casey.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened?
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
by cclemens31 on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Droobs turned his ankle running onto the field.
Welcome to 2008.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh. That does sound very 2008esque.
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
by cclemens31 on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Droobz tripped coming out of the dugout and it looks like he might have pulled a hammy.
by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cripes! Just as he was beginning to hit.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...wow, see the things I miss…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez to 3B, Carroll to 2B, Shoppach to C, Fasano to 1B.
by Fundamentals on Aug 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This might be the greatest defensive alignment the Indians have fielded in the past 27 years.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fasano last played 1B in 2005. Six games total for his career. I smell errors.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bum luck that the DH is leading off next inning. Had Marte batted last inning at DH, my guess is they’d have given up the DH and sent him out there.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised Dellucci hasn’t ever played some 1B.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, especially being a big slugger and all.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least his arm wouldn’t be an issue there.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor his range
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I would give for a Gonzalez-Carroll-Fasano double play.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would give nothing for that.
What I would give never have to ponder the possibility again.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please god let there be a grounder hit at Fasano at some point. PLEASE!!!
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In this case, using his body to block the ball seems fail proof.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hear it for balls hit to the outfield.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
imagine this all happening if this was last night and Carmona had a no-hitter going into the 7th with 15 of the 18 outs on groundballs.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LF-Ben Fran
CF- Gutz
RF- Choo
1b- Fasano
2b- Carroll
SS- Peralta
3b- Some guy name Gonzalez
C- Shoppach
P- Sowers
The 2008 Indians or Bad News Bears 4?
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And yet, with this lineup, we are currently beating the team that is tied with the Cubs for the best record in baseball/
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit dissin’ on Angel Gonzalez. He’s got a .500 OBP. We know where Jhonny’s walks went – he gave them to Andy.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well…a nice recovery by Sowers. Cut those walks, and we’re good to go.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just checked BBref and Fasano played 1 game at 1B in 2005 and 5 games in 1998. His fielding percentage is 1.000—so he’s pretty much a gold glover.
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeter could only dream of Fasano’s range… and facial hair.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Genius.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fasano came in in the 7th inning in 2005, and ended up in the 3 hole in the lineup, although he had 0 PAs. In that game, it was the Rangers who lost the DH due to defensive substitutions.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What current Indian will have a huge second half? Jeremy Sowers
Who made that prediction on July 16th? Me! I’m a genius!
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don’t play that here. Angie will post photos of shirtless guys.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge is using Raffy P too much.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every other day is too often, I agree. On the bright side, Perez
1) used to be a starter so he can log some innings (though I don’t condone high frequency as much as I do multiple innings) and
2) has been quite economical in his recent outings.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks good, but I worry. I understand there is little else to rely on in the bullpen, but at some point he’s gonna tire out.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’re also shying away from Masa due to concerns over his workload. Somebody else (Mujica) has to pitch some important innings.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Ryan have a macro that sets these up automatically?
by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I can schedule posts to appear if I know I won’t be around to create the thread closer to the game’s start.
by Ryan on Aug 6, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has a macro to answer that question automatically.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I do. Now, please do not peer behind the curtain.
by Ryan on Aug 6, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Droobs has a strained left ankle, fantastic.
by PatBordersHelmet on Aug 6, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Marte doomed to be the Danny Ferry of the Indians?
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean, Coco Crisp is Ron Harper and Marte will become the GM in 20 years after a productive, yet underwhelming career?
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the Coco as Ron Harper motif. I hadn’t thought of that, but it’s pretty spot on, except Harper’s pre-injury star was rising in a way that no one ever would have dreamed of for Crisp. In the case of Ferry it was the frustration of knowing that he would never live up to expectations, yet would remain serviceable enough (not to mention the contract) to stick around and remind us daily of his mediocrity. Then he went to another team where he was accepted by both the team and himself as a role player and won a ring.
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point being—can’t you totally see this career trajectory for Marte?
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see the similarities, but baseball is just different, maybe just because the roster is bigger. If Marte has a nice season, people won’t really remember the expectations. The mainstream fan always assumed he was a worthless prospect anyway — he wasn’t even a .300 hitter in the minors, you know.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the contract difference and baseball’s “control” structure make the situations drastically different. The similarity is more from the fans perspective than from reality. I think the fans will always think Crisp was better than he was, and they would never appreciate it if Marte becomes “only” a decent player or utility type guy.
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of like they will never understand that having a prospect from the Casey Blake trade pan out better than Marte would not be an abberation.
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not an aberration, but not expected, either.
i don’t know how Marte will pan out, so it’s hard to characterize the comparison.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about that. I think if he puts together a Blakelike career, people will look back and say, yeah, that trade was a long time ago and he’s still here, so I can kind of see how that makes sense. I think the typical fan has contextualized the Colon deal by this point.
I do agree that the main problem is that Crisp was seen as one of our best players, rather than for what he really was, a role player who had overachieved for a year or so.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, back to the original post, I can see this type of career for him. I see him as a poor man’s Ronnie Belliard.
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think Blake sort of had the benefit of more minor league seasoning/no expectations. If Marte had options he would probably have a better chance of sticking around long enough to become a decent player—the type that would inevitably be appreciated more by another team’s fans than ours.
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not comparing the expectations of Blake to Marte — Blake had none, and was arguably less impressive than Francisco as a prospect. I was just saying if Marte ends up with a similar career as an Indian … seven or eight years later, nobody remembers the expectations. By 2005, people expected Blake to be a decent hitter, and they booed quite a bit when he wasn’t. A year earlier, they were happy to just to know who their starting 3B was.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez with a 2.20 ERA in 40 games since April 25, 43:12 in 45 IP.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Curious to hear your opinion on this – is ERA a valid metric for even beginning to think of a reliever’s value? Besides the other reasons ERA isn’t a perfect metric, relievers can give up inherited runners that he isn’t discredited for, while starters cannot. At the same time, inherited runners that score should not be totally counted against the reliever (just partially).
Is there a metric right now that captures this in any sort of logical way (like maybe count his earned runs+half his inherited runners average)?
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WPA is my favorite.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the problem there is if he pitches in a blowout, no matter how good or bad he is, it doesn’t work either for or against him. I know there is a tendency to think that part of that is built in to a pitcher’s quality (because if he is a great reliever then he won’t pitch in blowouts), but I too much of that is up to the subjectivity of the manager (plus, you’ll have no way to value your worst reliever who only pitches in blowouts).
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have this stat I keep meaning to make up called the Quality Relief Appearance, QRA, similar to Quality Start. But I have a lot of stats I never get around to making up.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve tried to work with Fractional ERA … (i.e. the reliever and starter share earned runs if an inherited runner scores, depending where the runner starts when the reliever comes into the game … RP is charged 0.25 runs for a runner scoring from third, 0.5 from second, and 0.75 if scoring from first.) This would lower most starter’s ERAs overall and raise relief ERAs, but at least it would distribute earned runs more equally between performances. Or maybe not.
by emd2k3 on Aug 6, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a start, but ideally you’d consider the number of outs as well — or perhaps instead. When a reliever comes in with two outs and a man on first, he ought to be solely responsible for the runner. The expectation on the reliever should be great than on the relieved.
Based on the current way of thinking — the pitcher who allows the baserunner is primarily responsible — this would be a logical way to do it.
New reliever is responsible for runners inherited:
• on 1B, if there were two outs or one out.
• on 2B, if there were two outs.
• on 3B, never.Exiting pitcher is responsible for runners bequeathed:
• on 3B, in all situations.
• on 2B, if there were no outs or one out.
• on 1B, if there were no outs.
So you could say, the new reliever gets to allow all runners to advance one base per out with no penalty. I think this is way too easy on the reliever, whose job is simply to get outs NOW, not just rather often over a stretch of the next 30 batters. So I would shift the burden up one base (or one out) toward the new reliever:
New reliever is responsible for runners inherited:
• on 1B, in all situations.
• on 2B, if there were two outs or one out.
• on 3B, if there were two outs.Exiting pitcher is responsible for runners bequeathed:
• on 3B, if there were no outs or one out (i.e., sac fly situation)
• on 2B, if there were no outs.
• on 1B, never.
Under either construction, with runners on 2B and 3B and two outs, in the case of a two-run single, the reliever and existing pitcher each are responsible for one run. I would also say that the reliever is never charged with runs that score on an error, but is charged with any runs that score after that play.
This seems more complicated at first, but it’s actually less messy and more equitable than fractionalizing runners with no outs-situation context.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ERA is not a valid metric for relief, but I wouldn’t have posted it if it were misleading in this particular instance.
FWIW, over that span, Perez has had 22 inherited runners, stranding 15 and allowing 7 to score. I don’t know what bases they were on or how many outs there were, though.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I think that if a reliever has a great ERA over a large number of innings, he is likely a damn good pitcher. But I tried to be clear that I wasn’t posting in criticism of your post, I was merely trying to use your post as a starting point for this conversation.
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“that sucks. Is Barfield ready?”
bet you never thought you’d say that in aug…
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Aug 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ha, i’m higher on barfield and lower on cabrera than most around here, especially coming into the season, but yes, I am surprised that I just said that.
by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 6, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought that. I just never envisioned a scenerio where I would say, “Thank God for Jamey Caroll”.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his career, Brad Lidge has 624K in 449IP. That’s ridiculous.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but do you remember that home run he gave up to Albert Pujols?!?
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I be he sure does.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lidge sure does give up some bombs for being such a dominant guy. Plus, Pujols is a freak. Not quite Ryan Ludwick-freak, but a freak.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I’ll never forget it. I had just started a new job in STL, and I was in a corporate apartment in a high rise. When Pujols hit the bomb, I thought the building was going to fall down with all the screaming and carrying on. That’s when I thought “good to be in a baseball town again,” having been in Louisville and DC immediately before that.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
12.5 K/9 = Filthy.
Other filthy:
Randy Johnson: 10.7 K/9 in 3973 IP.
Billy Wagner: 11.7 K/9 in 818 IP.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy could miss bats.
Lefty, too. Devastating.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a lot of fun to watch in his prime. Almost a stereotype of what you imagine a closer to be.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else catch him on the Penn & Teller show on Showtime this month?
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. who knew rocker would turn in to a meterosexual
by Brick. on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly have no idea what you could mean by that.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s amazing how fast that guy’s career blew up. Pitched one inning for the Devil Rays at age 28 & then gone.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any reason that Vic plays anything other than 1b/DH next year?
by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s a superior defender than Shoppach?
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly Shoppach headlines a package of players dealt to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have just automatically ran to 3B.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny gets fhive hits.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else wish we had Omar right now? We’d be soooooo good.
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny ihs lhocked ihn.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BUNTS SUCK.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
particularly when the Indians try them.
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man. A guy goes to the dentist and suddenly Fasano’s at first. It’s bizarro world!
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i tried explaining how this happened, and the other guy thought I was getting into some sabermetric version of “The Aristocrats”.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians bunt effectively again. Well, Choo is quicker.
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Updating Perez … 41 games since April 25 … 47:12 in 47 IP.
I won’t bother with the ERA, which is totally invalid, but he’s given up 11 runs.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
:)
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person
by jakesinger777 on Aug 6, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh….reminiscing about the Indians killing Percival back in the day.
I remember when the Indians used to be good.
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw one of those Thome walkoffs. Sweet day.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer when David Justice charged the mound and pelted Percival with his helmet.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the day David Justice was FIRED turned out to be epic!!!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, free runs.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello boys … quite the 1B we have, eh?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wait until the bottom of the inning. The Indians traded for Johnny Damon and announced immediately that he’s the new closer.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey take that
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who’s on first?
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MOOOOOOO
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Eddie in this spot.
Be the ball, Eddie. Be the ball.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I don’t care what Eddie does here .. just throw strikes.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so was the 2nd one, apparently.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is nice.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mother. Fucker.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, this has become essentially a one-run save situation.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah. Glad we got that run.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s a lefty, but i doubt he could hit 55 on the radar gun.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to risk anymore players to the dangers of the Tampa Bay carpet. It’s already claimed two players.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After averaging less than 3 innings a week (still on track for his most innings as an Indian), he has pitched 9 1/3 innings in the last 8 days (albeit 116 pitches).
How much will Wedge use him the rest of the way?
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok. This is hindsight. But to open the inning should the DH not have been forfeited, Marte moved to 3B, and Gonzalez put in at 1B?
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man… you’re 0-2.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay … this is not Good Moo. This is Bad Moo.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Gross DESTROYED that pitch.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are f-ing kidding me.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New experiment tomorrow…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blown save, now we can bring in Betancourt.
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So glad I got up at 5.20am…............
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought we got rid of Borowski?
The Shin-Soo Choo of LGT.
by Buckeye Brad on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God our bullpen grooves pitches.
I think we should sequester Perez so he doesn’t catch whatever these jokers have.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
September can’t come soon enough. Get Meloan and Stevens up here .. give us something to hang our hopes on.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had enough of the “let’s vent” commercial.
Not that funny to begin with, really bad the 1000th time when your pitcher has given up a three-run lead in under a minute.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man. Tampa Bay didn’t even go to a commercial break. They’re just livin it up.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, man, they’re a first-place team … high times for them. If they had any real fans, I’d be happy for them.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw they draw 17K for the opening game of the series.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had a manager who reacted to stimuli.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMPLOSION
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the umps hate the Yanks and Sawx. good men.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masa better get these three in order. I really don’t want Longoria up in a walk-off situation.
Update: too late.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a terrible call.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tampa’s feed didn’t really slow down the replay.
What did STO show?
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masa beat him to the bag, but his first foot down may not have quite hit the bag. His second foot down didn’t beat the runner’s first foot.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he missed the bag.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think his front foot missed the bag. I think the ump told Wedge that, and that’s why Wedge didn’t get himself thrown out by continuing to yell at him.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting thrown out of this game would be a relief. Somebody eject me from this game thread.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could suspend you for 24 hours if you want.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone should have informed Wedge that Mujica fell on his face jogging to the bullpen. That was surely a sign right there.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is up with the horror-movie lighting on Masa’s picture?
Oh, that’s right—he pitches in our ‘pen.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he got the bag with the side of his foot. No way he missed it entirely. I think even his back leg beat the runner.
by randallhank on Aug 6, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our relievers continue to not be satisfied with the definition of IMPLOSION.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is he setting up the triple play, doesn’t he know AstroCab is outta the game?
by Nat on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OVER
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus.
Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.
by zempf on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard Jesus saves. Maybe he can help our bullpen.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that, my friends, is a perfect trainwreck.
Six runs in zero-thirds of an inning.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ERA of infinity^3
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zero-thirds is not dividing by zero. Until you divide by zero-thirds, that is.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, a 3-run bomb for my fantasy team! :highfive:
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know something? I exempt you from drinking in this case.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your mistake is assuming i need a reason to drink.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would never think that.
Obviously we all have plenty of reason to drink, so how could any of us need one?
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would the result have been any different if Kobayashi has started the 9th?
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might have been different with a real first baseman, perhaps nabbing Hinske’s grounder down the line and also making a good flip on Iwamura’s ball.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously a very bad time machine
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s one way to keep Longoria from hitting a walk-off HR.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a good first eight innings though.
Phenomenal game for Peralta, great game for Gutierrez, very good game for Marte.
Genuinely gritty and solid performance by Sowers, which is great news.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just about justifies an early morning start when you look at it like that.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That was fun…
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t realize there was a day game today and I show up just in time for this? Ugh.
by APV on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shelton needs to rush back to Cleveland to check out Hafner tomorrow. Eric had to watch the Hafner video sent to him by e-mail today.
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did the same exact thing...
...does this mean we caused the bullpen to meltdown?
I mean, WTF??!
by doowop on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lead had already been lost by the time I showed up. I came just in time for the final blow.
by APV on Aug 6, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It was a frustrating ballgame to say the least," manager Eric Wedge said.
"It was a frustrating ballgame to say the least," manager Eric Wedge said.
"It was a frustrating ballgame to say the least," manager Eric Wedge said.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay won only 66 games last year; do the Indians have the raw material to do in 2009 what the Rays are doing this year?
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
raw material = numerous #1 draft picks.
therefore… no.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I blame Garko.
And Society.
I blame Garko and Society.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay was right, we should have pitched Sizemore.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
All in all, I’d say that I myself turned in a very gritty performance today, and I deserve to be overpaid for it.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that way, he’s comparable to khalil greene
by Brick. on Aug 6, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is going to be the Tom Mastny of the 2008 bullpen, step up, and nail down a few saves?
The only get left down there is…Tom Mastny.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Percival gets his first win against the Tribe ever. lol
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was quite a terrific spill there, Tribe.
by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s better to flame out so fantastically like this though. One of the more hilarious 9th inning collapses.
by joeee on Aug 6, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians are FINALLY going to get the lead story on Baseball Tonight.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be right here if anybody wants to come by with another swift kick to the balls.
LeCavs!
If you were good enough, maybe we'd name it after you.
by Matt in LA on Aug 6, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think Brendan Donnelly joins the pen Friday?
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he gets the call today after the game. I think the clause in his contract is for August 6th or he’s a free agent.
by APV on Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Joe Borowski would have had the decency to get 2 outs.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I remember earlier this year one of the blogs posted a pitch chart of Kobayashi pitching to Adam Dunn. (I think.) The pitch Dunn crushed could not have been fatter.
Why am I thinking of this right now?
by doowop on Aug 6, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope the sound guy in the truck is fast with the bleeps for Eric Wedge’s statements.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What about “It was a frustrating ballgame to say the least” needs to bleeped?
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a reason Raffie P can’t close out games?
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can. But he already had thrown two innings when the game was tight. You would think a 3 run lead is safe.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean, since he’s our only RP who can get outs, can we try him at CL?
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I mean Joe got cut ages ago. I already had put us in the win column.
by mjschaefer on Aug 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge made a comment a week ago that he was going to rotate the 9th inning spot for the near future.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s pitched 9 1/3 innings in the last 8 days
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hammy says they are unlikely to get him on the air
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just preparing the team for the next trip to Toronto, which, on the bright side, is where mediocrity has been embraces for years.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This comes up in the first line of a Google Image search for Wedge closed door meeting>
by APV on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“you guys gotta grind”; “trust the process”; “fight through”
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget about “respecting the game”.
by Otto on Aug 6, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So I left work with a 3 run lead. Or something like that. Interesting. Go baseball.
by mjschaefer on Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6 runs given up on 15 pitches; is that a record?
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it HAS TO BE.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he have to yell at anyone other than the bullpen?
by doowop on Aug 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garko and (maybe ) Grady for not hustling.
by Toxicadam on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Failed to hustle in the dugout to retrieve snacks for Peralta.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night, coasted on a ball in CF, Pena saw Grady hanging back w/ his head down and took second.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone. Today’s loss wasn’t fair to Casey.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and Peralta, for being so inconsiderate to waste his 5-hit performance in a game the bullpen would blow.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he didn’t stretch one of those dhoubles into a thriple and in so doing wast a chycle.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland is now 1-3 in 2008 in games where a player has 5 hits.
by FredOx on Aug 6, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The umps blew a few calls, including hosing Sowers on a couple key strike-threes.
by Jay on Aug 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EPIC FAIL.
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
by gte619n on Aug 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Losing is so much more fun with you guys. Have a good one!
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope he sacrifices a player. Let the rest of the team know he means business.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify: I’m not talking like cutting a guy or demoting a guy, I mean hardcore headchopping Apocalypto sacrifice.
by obobcatu on Aug 6, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a scenario like this, Reason and Logic demand nothing less.
by xrickx on Aug 6, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good think the team has tomorrow off to think about this one.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freudian slip on your part, or clever pun?
by JulioBernazard on Aug 6, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Free at last! Free at last! Andy Marte is free at last!
by woodsmeister on Aug 6, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shelton and Soloff are spending the day with Hafner in Cleveland
by palcal on Aug 6, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what they have planned?
A trip to the Rock Hall, swim in Lake Erie and a nice romantic dinner at Mr. Hero I assume.
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
by cclemens31 on Aug 6, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My advice to you, start drinking heavily.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder
by jerseywahoo on Aug 6, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...and what can you offer to those of us who already have?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Aug 6, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 bullpen = Ring of Fire
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 6, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Oh wow.
Wow.
Glad I missed this one.
--
In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Aug 6, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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