Game Thread: August 9, 2008
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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Cleveland Indians at Toronto Blue Jays, Aug 9, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
Cleveland at Toronto, 1:07 PM (STO)
Another showcase start for Paul Byrd; he's already cleared waivers, and the Indians generally have paid the salaries of pending free agents in order to get deals done, so all that remains to be done is getting enough back for him.
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one advantage the Canadians have over most Americans – day baseball on Saturday
(albeit with the roof closed) and they can watch it on TV
by palcal on Aug 9, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No one actually believes that Marte will be on the team come opening day 2009?
by mjschaefer on Aug 9, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still believe.
Look at the Free Agent list for 3b:
Hank Blalock * TEX
Joe Crede CWS
Morgan Ensberg CLE
Chipper Jones * ATL
Corey Koskie MIL
Greg Norton TB
Casey Blake LAD
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake is so our ‘09 3b. Wedge would accept nothing less.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way he is playing in LA, he might price himself out of our range.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a day-night DH next Saturday, it’s time to think about who is in line for a spot start:
Bullington, Jackson, Laffey.
If Byrd is traded, another starter will be needed.
by palcal on Aug 9, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its nice to see a Saturday day-game for a change.
by Fundamentals on Aug 9, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MI of McDonald and Inglett again but Halladay on the mound instead of Purcey
by palcal on Aug 9, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s weird that Toronto keeps taking our AAAA guys that couldn’t stick on the big club. Inglitt, Johnnie Mac, Tallett. I look forward to seeing Garko in a Jays jersey.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they have anybody in their FO that used to work for us?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question. I’m not hip on who populates whatever team’s FO, but it would be nice if someone else knew. It’s either that or they have someone who’s infiltrated our minor league system.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the replay of last night’s game this morning and that play that John McDonald made in the 8th was spectacular.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah. I htought we played at 7.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Real nice, asshole team.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hit and run with Shoppach and Dellucci? ehhhh
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zaun really doesn’t normally throw anybody out. Meh.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, this is why I can not like Choo.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s the 3rd best defensive outfielder on the team.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boy is that sad.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the 3rd best defensive outfielder on the team.*
- - on balls hit below 20 feet high
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Benfran’s 35-hopper thru his legs? Ugh.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wedge wants this, but replace the K with a C:
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope we get to see a lineup this year that has a healthy Pronk and Victor in it.
Sizemore, Anybody, Victor, Peralta, Shoppach, Choo, Francisco, ?, Asdrubal
I’d like to see what that lineup could do for a week or two.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jays’ announcers can’t get enough of the fact that Wedge pushed Lee back a day to avoid the Lee-Halladay matchup.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty shitty. I guess Wedge wants to pad Lee’s stats for the Cy?
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To avoid the matchup? I doubt it. It was probably giving Lee an extra day of rest.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Their whole subliminal point is that Halladay is a better pitcher. Uh….we know.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, in that case, DUUH.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the season ended yesterday, Halladay would deserve the Cy Young.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Ryan, Cliff Lee has two more wins than Halladay. And Cliff has only two losses, compared to eight for Halladay. Not only is he a winner, but he’s not a loser either. And that’s clutch. Debate over.
/Joe Morgan gets to do THAT for a living.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy has about 20 more innings than Lee. All other things being equal, you go with the guy with more innings.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. That doesn’t mean the voters will see it that way, though.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s something about Lee’s return from nowhere that makes him the darling of the voters.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is rather Chicken of him.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, whatever Manning. You’d be praising him if it worked.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tried to get two, but got none. Need to take advantage of this.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garko can get out of the doghouse right here.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammy: “Marte looks a liiitle overmatched in this matchup”
Well, yea.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they had a stat to measure lazy pop flies, Marte would be a league leader.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garko?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only hits 30% of balls in play on the ground.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 1-1 Marte swing was bad. He needs to aim for RF every AB like Jhonny.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, Byrd’s up in the zone today. Not cool. With Ian Kennedy getting bombed yesterday and the Mets one-pitcher short, it would have been a great day for a knockout performance. There’s still hope.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow – forgot he was pitching. He really did get bombed, haahaa!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to bring it up, but my favorite quote in a while, per Carl Willis in all the pre-game, post-callup talk on Anthony Reyes….
“He’s a very competitive kid who competes well.”
Oh. Now I get it.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Willis the wordsmith.
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder
by jerseywahoo on Aug 9, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find a way to blame Skinner.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sacrifice fly escapes my recent memory.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course we didn’t score!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny’s hot-streak seems to be over. Granted, it is Roy Halladay. But David Purcey did the trick yesterday.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it says when i signed up for gameday audio that i can choose the feed, does anyone know how to do that so i don’t have to listen to the jays broadcaster?
by c9kay32 on Aug 9, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
choose it from here: http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp?c_id=cle&partnerId=mw
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginter is eligible to come off the DL on Aug 19 but not in time for next Saturday’s day-night DH.
by palcal on Aug 9, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would probably be Laffey or Jackson, depending on spot in the Buffalo rotation.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has to be embarrassing, getting jammed by Byrd.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha damn my timemachine. I was just gonna say, Byrd just sawed off his first hitter in 15 years.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Here, Cy-Young caliber-pitcher. Have free outs.”
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOAH
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jays’ announcer: “Indians, I think, are one of the best teams at fouling off tough-pitchers’ pitches. It all starts with Grady Sizemore.”
1) He doesn’t watch a Cleveland game aside from the few they play against the Jays each year.
2) No.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jays’ announcers:
“A pitcher’s record, I think, is at the mercy of his offense.”
Welcome to 2008.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see BenFran getting the hang of it.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok Garko, time to take another step away from the doughouse.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, the runners had to make sure the ball dropped.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
90 pitches for Halladay! Jays bullpen bad?
Also, Marte Partay!
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Jays’ bullpen is one of the best in the league.
So keep the runs coming.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May I say … we are smacking around the best pitcher in the AL?
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd best.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there’s the RF approach from Marte. Beautiful.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zz
It would be nice to see Grady come up big in a tight spot. Don’t go Arod on us.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s with the Grady bashing? This spot doesn’t even compare to the spots Arod chokes away. I really have no idea what you mean.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(2008)
Paul Byrd is beating Roy Halladay
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not in a way that will make anyone trade for him.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least Grady hit it hard. Gotta get some runs sometime, though, in that situation.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is weird.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well done. Dellucci.
Damn, that was hard to say.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got here, good timing
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 9, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it like the middle of the night in New Zealand?
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have a kids soccer tournament today from 8.30am, so have to be up early anyway.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 9, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. My sense of distance sucks, I though NZ was closer to Beijing time (12 hours ahead).
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are 4 hours ahead of Beijing.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 9, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6.40am Sunday morning.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 9, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep adding runs. Need at least two more good innings out of Byrd before the hellpen gets it.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Hammy, Byrd already cleared waivers.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetically, if Byrd pitches like this for the rest of the year, how much $ would he get as a FA?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
(because I’d take this Paul Byrd in our 09 rotation)
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d sure think so.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d bet at least $7M a season – maybe 2/14$M
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if Livan gets 1 year, $5M, Byrd can more.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Cashman, I saw this byrd fella pitch over the weekend, and he’s almost as good as A-Rod, and salaries have gone up since we signed A-Rod, so how about we offer Byrd what we gave A-Rod?
~Hank
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jays look worse than our team. Errors, almost running into each other, total lack of emotion. Cito Gaston is doing well.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least they’re over 500.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I just glanced at the standings. I hate our team. Ugh…
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Before it was thrown, Ben decided he was swinging at the first pitch no matter where it was.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Booo! Oh well, at least Halladay is finally out of the game.
by Jeffrey R on Aug 9, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I just noticed that Ivan Ochoa made it to the majors with the Giants.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I was a Giants fan, it’d read: He’s the starter :(
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd at 66 pitches through 6 innings. I hope to at least see a clean 7th inning from him. Not sure I want him facing the Jays lineup for a 4th time.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish Marte’s magic involved a batting average a little higher than .177
by APV on Aug 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: CC’s ERA is now 3.11, ten points lower than last year despite the 13.50 start. If he had been traded a little sooner, we could be looking a Sutcliffe-style Cy Young.
by SuddenSam on Aug 9, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking, what if C.C. went like, 14-0 with a sub 2 ERA in MIlwaukee. Could he win it?
Also, even though it won’t happen, what if Ziegler goes all year and 70 innings without giving up a run? Not that his peripherals are dominant, but how do you compare 70 scoreless innings to a starter’s workload?
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of it is based on the opposition. There are some pretty good Cy Young candidates in the NL this year. Sutcliffe was unanimous, with a rookie finishing second and a reliever third.
1 Rick Sutcliffe TOT 24 120 120 1.00 | 16-1 150 2.69 1.08 155
2 Dwight Gooden NYM 0 45 120 0.38 | 17-9 218 2.60 1.07 276
3 Bruce Sutter STL 0 33 120 0.28 | 5-7 123 1.54 1.08 77 45
4 Joaquin Andujar STL 0 12 120 0.10 | 20-14 261 3.34 1.10 147
5 Rich Gossage SDP 0 3 120 0.02 | 10-6 102 2.90 1.08 84 25
6 Mario Soto CIN 0 2 120 0.02 | 18-7 237 3.53 1.13 185
Based on those numbers, a pretty strong case could be made for Gooden. But I think the story of Sutcliffe coming over and leading the Cubs to a championship was too powerful to overcome. CC, on the other hand, is up against the Cub mystique.
by SuddenSam on Aug 9, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If combine his AL and NL work, he has 45+56 = 111 PRC, highest in baseball.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The award is supposed to be based on league performance only. Note Sutcliffe’s stats above.
But something has changed. I notice CC’s stats in leaderboards and boxscores are always combined. It used to be when a player changed leagues, stats were listed for that league only.
by SuddenSam on Aug 9, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d be loathe to vote for a guy who only spent half the season in the NL, but if he dominates down the stretch, I could see voters giving him credit for his AL performance.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m unaware of any official criteria for the award.
I think NL voters are entitled or at least permitted to consider performance outside of NL games.
I think C.C. will in fact win it if he wins at least 11 and loses no more than 1, while keeping his ERA under 2.30. The voters first and foremost love a good story, and the history is that they take all the remotely credible honorees and then vote for the one who had the most interesting season.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a search to see if there is an official list of criteria, but haven’t found it. I did learn something, though. Why is it the Cy Young award? Because he died in 1955 and the award was established in his honor.
Ultimately, the writers make up their own rules. I’m sure there is nothing written down that says manager of the year goes to the manager of the team that most exceeded pre-season expectations, but there it is. And there are ongoing debates about what MVP means, or whether Japanese veterans should get ROY. So they’ll do what they want to do.
I have to think that with Webb a lock to win 20, and possibly several others, that the W-L obsessed voters won’t pass them over for a half-season performance. Unless CC is undefeated, then I couldn’t even guess.
by SuddenSam on Aug 9, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the writers make up their own rules — since they active ignore the detailed criteria for the MVP, considering all sorts of crap issues that are not supposed to be considered.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is arguably Byrd’s best four-start stretch in an Indian uniform.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s perfect timing for the Indians. His value can’t really get any higher.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except if a team could get more than 2 months of it.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers are playing for the WC, though being 6.5 games and 4 teams back doesn’t look promising. Yanks and Mets make too much sense.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. You’re telling me no contender wants this?
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Houston will trade for him so they have a better chance of signing him in the off-season.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was a middle reliever, Ed Wade would have traded a couple of prospects for him by now.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come Grady is out of synch and Marte is overmatched?
:)
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Looch is in his best stretch in two years
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
16 of 17 retired
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
18/19, 4 pitch inning
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halladay bested by…wait for it…Paul Byrd. Wow.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait to go home and read a Jays fan gamethread. Those are always hilarious when Byrd shuts someone down.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just checked: they have ONE poster, who only uses the subject line.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure there are other ones out there.
I’d look, but I need to go home in 10 minutes.
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, and the dude has 52 posts by himself. That’s pretty funny, and weird. But mostly funny.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a clinic. Shapiro should just send this tape to Cashman and Minaya.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bert Byleven for 2009 pitching coach?
by Toxicadam on Aug 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did not anybody claim Byrd? At least keep him from your rivals. Is there a limited amount of claims one can make?
by oxforddave on Aug 9, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was probably because they didn’t want to eat the salary. But still, we’re talking about both New York teams needing pitching, and aren’t exactly stingy with the cash.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to find room on your roster for him, too — otherwise, he ends up right back on waivers, possibly claimed by a rival, or released a free agent, which would be worse.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot, there’s also a limit as to how many claims a team can put in each day (or week or something), and literally hundreds of players get put on waivers in the first few days of August.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could it also be that if you don’t claim him you have longer to make a trade (albiet if no one else claims him). Thus, by not claiming him it is easier to make a trade.
by oxforddave on Aug 9, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Jays plan of attack today was to be aggressive early in the count. It hasn’t worked. Byrd really is going to get the chance to close this thing out.
He’s at 80 pitches. On one hand, I want to see him close it out for style point. On the other, I don’t want to have him blow it. It’s gone too well.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The bullpen certainly has the ability to blow it.
by oxforddave on Aug 9, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not worried about the win, just Byrd’s trade value.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish I could have watched this start instead of just listening.
Byrd now with a 1.85 ERA in his last five starts. You have to wonder what happens to his trade value if he can finish a complete game in 90 pitches.
If it were Beane and not Shapiro, he’d be calling his manager and ordering him to remove Byrd for the 9th. He’s run up a ton of trade value, why risk a horrible 9th?
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most clubs would see that he went eight innings rather easily. On most clubs that would be the extent of his outing.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purely out of boredom, I just clicked the video link on MLB.tv.
And it worked. I am seeing the game — no blackout.
Not sure how to explain this.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been watching the whole thing.
LGT's resident beer connaisseur.
by LGT Patrick on Aug 9, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kind of, like … sssshhhh … not sure what the deal is.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go to the home page for mlb.tv scheduling and you will see it is the only afternoon game not blacked out.
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by LGT Patrick on Aug 9, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There shouldn’t be any blackout – it’s before the FOX window.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The window used to be, any game starting before 7 EST. The game is not in EI.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the first 1 PM Saturday game the Indians have played this year. So maybe it was just the 4 pm games
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so. The blackout rules have never diverged for EI vs. mlb.tv before.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have MLB.tv. My dad has MLB Extra Innings. It’s not being shown on his Extra Innings. I don’t get it, cause it’s on MLB.tv.
by xrickx on Aug 9, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I think this actually is a mistake.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 down
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 9, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice way to end the game, albeit unconventional. Me likey CGs for Byrd.
by obobcatu on Aug 9, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ballgame
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 9, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overbay: not too smart.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Aug 9, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Free Byrd!!!!!!!!
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
by cclemens31 on Aug 9, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably Byrd’s last game as an Indian.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will miss Byrd. He sometimes pitched great, almost always throws strikes and takes his lumps when he pitches a bad game. No excuses. May he go on to a prosperous four-year contract in the National League.
by odradek on Aug 9, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see him in the Indians’ broadcast booth someday. He’s a natural.
by SuddenSam on Aug 9, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one of his most unexpected.
(Yes other teams, he always pitches like this)
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
by cclemens31 on Aug 9, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, he did a great job in the playoffs, for both the Indians and the Angels. So that’s a selling point.
by Ryan on Aug 9, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take it. Whatever maximizes trade value!
Wedge: [letting go of Casey's hand] I'll never let go, Casey. I promise.
by cclemens31 on Aug 9, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd’s 9th: 4 pitches, 3 outs.
Way to make him work, Jays!
by LeftyCatcher on Aug 9, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, I used to be quick to emphasize that Francisco is far from a premium defender … but you have to respect a guy who is gunning for the “outfield assists” title despite only starting 74 out of 115 games.
The major league leader is Markakis, with 12 in 1006 innings. Francisco has 11 in 634 innings.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trying to recall Law’s article. Based o Byrd’s hot streak, what’s the projected latest on the draft pick compensation. I’m guessing something like 40% shot at a Type B and still way less than 5% he’s be Type A?
by cheech99 on Aug 9, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
woah…wasn’t the point of Law’s article that he very well might not even be a Type B free agent? While he may have improved his chances at that, I’m pretty sure he still has 0% chance of being a Type A free agent.
by APV on Aug 9, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah… I think we’re saying the same thing. I assume his chance of being Type A are literally microscopic so as to not even worry about…. but since I wasn’t sure, I wrote “way less than 5%”.
It’s the Type B thing I’m uncertain of… I mean a supplemental pick between the 1st and 2nd round has value.
It just strikes me as a classic weird Indians dilemma, perhaps finding trouble trading him for something better than a Type B, holding onto him and he might not even be a Type B, or offer him arbitration as a Type B and he accepts.
All of that said, I assume we get more value than a Type B after this recent Cy Young like stretch he’s put forth.
by cheech99 on Aug 9, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the FO is probably happy to get either outcome. I’m thinking the Indians may very well offer Byrd a 1-year deal this off-season. Not trading him away means they may not have to give up a pick to sign him in the off-season.
by APV on Aug 9, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, a new detail reared its head in the past week. Apparently, teams do not need to offer arbitration in order to receive compensation for Type B free agents. This is a sensible change, considering that under the new rules, no draft pick is being given up by the new team. It also would make sense if teams got only the sandwich pick for Type A free agents to whom they did not offer arbitration, but I’ve got no indication that that is part of the new rules.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on Byrd’s hot streak, we’re unlikely to get any draft pick compensation for him … because based on his hot streak, he’s going to get traded.
by Jay on Aug 9, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this one of the biggest wins of next year?
by FranklinScott on Aug 9, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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