Chicago White Sox @ Cleveland Indians GameThread, Sep 1, 2008 7:05 PM EDT

Game Thread: September 1, 2008

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 6:41 PM EDT in Game Threads Comment 236 comments

Chicago White Sox @ Cleveland Indians

Chicago at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (WKYC)

Cliff Lee goes for win #20 tonight. The last Indian pitcher to win 20 games was Gaylord Perry, who did it way back in 1974. Wins have become less indicative of a pitcher's worth over the last thirty years, but consider this: in only three of his 19 wins did not meet the modern definition of a quality start (6 innings, 3 runs). And of his four no-decisions, only one wasn't a quality start.

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LGCL

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

GCL, GCL!

by jhon on Sep 1, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They named the minor league organization after him. The Go Cliff Lee Indians, Cleveland Indians affiliate

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

andrew: try chickpea tacos

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 1, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What the fuck is going on?

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Booyah Quentin!

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That cut fastball was such a strike anyway

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The local station here in Columbus that normally carries Indians games when they are on Channel 3 is showing “Friends” instead.

Andy Marte is free at last! Now, if only he could hit a breaking ball...

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 1, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good show but damn that sucks

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I’m pissed off about that, too.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you wind

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cliff doesn’t look sharp. Twenty win jitters?

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As a long time lurker let me say I’ve been really enjoying pithy banter that consistently comes from this site. I hope I can keep up.

To that end riddle me this…

Left pitcher… check
Rookie lefty pitcher… check
Rookie lefty pitcher with a six plus ERA…check

So of course Marte gets to give his very solid three week stretch and modest eight game hitting streak a breather.

Last rookie starter with a sky high ERA, Marte also got the day off.

Plus he also sits an inordinate amount versus lefties.

Coincidence?? I doubt it.

Whatta douchebag Wedge is…Way to tilt the scales to making sure your new bestest grinder Jamey friggin’ Carroll gets his option picked up.

Whatta disgrace…

by PennStateJeff on Sep 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Go Bucks.

¡Free Chan Perry!

by TheVanillaGorilla on Sep 1, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That comment was pithy!

by Fundamentals on Sep 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GO BUCKS!!!

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 1, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rec for a pretty nice start.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Choo singles in Jhonny.

by ColumbusOhioFan on Sep 1, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BLC!

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Choo!

by bogey021 on Sep 1, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My Labor Day weekend highlight: hearing my grandma (as big a Tribe fan as there is) working on her pronunciation of Choo’s full name

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant as usual performance with runner at 3rd, <2 out

by Logodaedalus on Sep 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Blake-esque

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s just mean. Wasn’t that way this year…

by Logodaedalus on Sep 1, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m going by the entirety of his work with the Tribe.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what a sad baseball team.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yuck

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette scores that a double.

"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."

by Fiddlesticks on Sep 1, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Grady’s very presence is intimidating

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I hate Alexei Ramirez. Just looking at him makes me want to punch something

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It won’t last. He only has ten walks on the year, and isn’t too swift in the field.

by emd2k3 on Sep 2, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nicely done Benny

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HOLY SHIT

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jhonny <3s DPs lately

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that was a freaky incredibly play though

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

incredible*

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i want to win the direct energy backyard challenge

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Sep 1, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love watching Garko grounders to third or short and see just how long the infielder usually takes to get set with him hah

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SHOP 2B

by ColumbusOhioFan on Sep 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2-out ribbie!

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Keep on teein’ off boys

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hell yeah!

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Quality defense from the Sox there.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love shap.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He should get a statue.

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just got here, 4-0 nice

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

anyone listening to the radio?

shapiro says the only trade they seriously considered making with lee was for . . . yup, carlos quentin.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Sep 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t buy that .. he would have traded him for Jason Bay if the Pirates weren’t asking for half of our bench to go along with him.

by Toxicadam on Sep 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

knowing what we know today…would you take it?

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that depends on Lee being able to keep this up after this season, but I guess the same goes for Quentin.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nah

left handed cy young winners > mvp winning left fielders

ha ha, no, i wouldn’t make the trade. without lee, this team would be awful.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Sep 1, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I WISH I was listening to the radio, freaking Hawk Harrelson.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

back end of the bullpen is top off-season priority, from Shapiro

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m not a fan of that priority. The risk of overpaying for such a volatile position is very high.

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to believe that Shap knows that and is willing to be creative.

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And an “infielder who can hit.”

He also said there is some "flexibility’ in the infield, which obviously means Asdrubal and Jhonny could shift left. Not that it’s news or anything, but adios Andy.

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope Cliff pitches a complete game .. I don’t trust our bullpen against the White Sox.

by Toxicadam on Sep 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t trust our bullpen against the Royals.

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shapiro singing Gutierrez’s praises

/joy

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was glad to hear that too, I still have (probably irrational) high hopes for Gutz

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

me too. I can’t break my Gutz love.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have. I loathe watching him flail and then stalk back to the dugout. He is my anti-Marte.

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in a strange turn of events, Marte has turned into my anti-Marte

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe in Game Thread #1, which featured a 3-run homer from Gutz, I predicted a breakout year from him. Sigh, expectations.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and I thought last year was the “breakout”

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shapiro’s priorities:

1) back end bullpen guy

2) one infielder with subsequent infield adjustments depending on what position that infielder plays

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Infield? I’m not at all crazy about our OF production.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

on TV at least, he said nothing about the OF, except being impressed with Bfran, etc.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh Manning, Matsuzaka has pitched over 40 fewer innings than Lee. The race is Lee and Halladay, period.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That race is over.

by emd2k3 on Sep 2, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

z

I’m still not sold on Jhonny in the 4 hole next year. His lack of consistency is maddening.

by Toxicadam on Sep 1, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He really has been shit lately but his stretch of hotness was pretty extensive

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shapiro is riding the Carlos Santana train

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what did he say?

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He said Santana isn’t quite a hitting/baseball God, but only cause God struggles sometimes with top end breaking stuff

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

more seriously, he said he’s very very good. Has the rare ability of taking a very aggressive approach to the plate, while also maintaining fantastic plate discipline. Also apparently has a cannon arm at catcher.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that’s good to hear. I hope he stays behind the plate so we can have a Victor/Russell Martin hybrid.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Replay!

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I want a replay of when STO hired Underpants and Manning. Bad move, needs to be overturned.

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Should have been Heagan and Manning, with Underwood staying on the radio.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way. Hegan puts me to sleep.

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

On TV he was a lot better – he didn’t have to describe the action for the audience.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree. Underwood was ok with Hamilton there to moderate him.

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Underwood was terrible on radio for the first year or two. I really liked him after that.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

obligatory Trevor Crowe shout-out from Shapiro

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shap also mentioned Tony Sipp and Adam Miller as middle relief guys next year

by bewwolv on Sep 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yes

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like he’s going to spend the big bucks on a closer, with cheap guys setting him up.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What if it’s K-Rod? Can we learn to love K-Rod?

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope it isn’t K-Rod.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

K-Rod would cost a lot of money.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too, especially at the price he’s going to command.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

let’s see…we loved
Doug Jones
Jose Mesa (until…well…)
Mike Jackson (for awhile)
Bob Wickman (for awhile)

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope not. His delivery still worries me and he hasn’t been as lights out as he used to be (aside from the ridiculous amount of saves). Paying 14+ million per year for a closer is stupid.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

see Ryan, B.J.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he breaks the saves record, it’ll be more than that.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly. I’m not sure if I would spend that much on any closer.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoever signs Rodriguez (if it’s for the ridiculous amounts that have been thrown around) is going to regret it. I would hope that the Indians wouldn’t be involved after it gets past $8 or $10M per year.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sipp has been outstanding this year, especially considering he’s coming back from TJ.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

31Ks in 20.2 innings. Ouch.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

76 pitches through 6 for Lee. We may not have to see the bullpen tonight.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully the offense scores enough runs so that it won’t really matter.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is that actually possible?

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish someone from the grounds crew would be assigned to fix the “:ndians.co n” sign behind home plate.

"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."

by Fiddlesticks on Sep 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

creativity rec

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shoppach with the sacrifice. I don’t know about that one, but whatever.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

shows how much confidence Wedge has in the bullpen

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Verocity?

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It’d be nice for Asdrubal to come through here

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Chisenhall has hit his 19th and 20th doubles tonight for Mahoning Valley. I’m not sure, but I think that’s a lot for one of the short season leagues.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Big League Chis!

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer “the Chizl”

So the last person to hit 20 2Bs for Mahoning Valley was Chris Gimenez back in 2004. He hit 23 in 71 games (but he was 21).

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chisenhall has played in 63 games, FYI

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that’s quite a few. In fact, 37% of his hits have gone for extra bases, so that’s pretty good.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BB-ref says that the league OPS is .690, so that gives him a 114 OPS+. Unfortunately, it also says he’s got 16 errors at SS so far.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, a couple more doubles today will bring that up a few notches, of course.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure I read (probably over at Lastoria’s place) that they are planning on moving him to 3B this off-season.

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wouldn’t 2nd base be more suitable for his bat?

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s Slim Shady. Look at his headshot.

by emd2k3 on Sep 2, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How is that a strike?

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hammy noted that Lee was called up from the minors on year ago today

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Are you fucking kidding me?

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

come on ’drubs

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That out courtesy of the gift 3-0 strike.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Great AB there.

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

come on, Grady

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this team

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Underwood having a moment of clarity regarding pitch counts vs strikeouts

by bewwolv on Sep 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This just in: Cliff Lee is pretty good.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

rec

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talk about a fast half inning. Wow.

by Toxicadam on Sep 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m at work, put my head down for a couple of minutes, checked back to Gameday and missed the entire innings

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Caveats apply:

Franchise leaders, season, ERA+

1. Addie Joss, 1905 (205)
2. Vean Gregg, 1911 (189)
3. Luis Tiant, 1968 (186)
4. Cliff Lee, 2008 (180)
5. Johnny Allen, 1937 (176)

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So basically CP Lee is having the second best season for an Indian in modern history. Truly unbelievable 6 months ago.

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really — no Feller?

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 1, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Best was a 161.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess not. Highest was 161. Herb Score’s best was 166 (he was at 187 after 36 innings the year he was hit by the line drive).

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 1, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carlos Rivero just hit his 8th HR (5 of which have come in the past month)

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So, apparently Cliff Lee is now mid-90s Greg Maddux

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jeez, Jhonny, at least get your glove on it – Konerko’s running.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ha…Hammy made a funny.

Game summary: Cliff Lee

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It’s Cliff’s world, we’re just living in it.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Move over, Gaylord.

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How many starts will Cliff have the rest of September?

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

looks like 5

so how many wins will Cliff end with? I’ll say 24

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It depends if they go to the 6-man rotation.

I’d guess at least five more.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah I forgot about the talks of the six-man

well with a five-man he’ll have five, i just checked

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

can 2008 cliff lee travel back in time and start game 1 of the 2007 ALCS for us?

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Sep 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

this has to be one of the quickest games of the year right?

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

CHOOOOOOOO

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

CHOO is so hot right now. I have to say, I’m kinda looking forward to a full year of him in the OF next year. Then again, I thought the same thing about Gutz last year around this time, and.. well.. yeah.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the difference is that Choo has better plate discipline which makes it a little easier for him to sustain his success I think

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This LaPorta-Sizemore-Choo outfield is looking pretty good

by bewwolv on Sep 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I second that.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Choo is locked in tonight

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m telling you, this guy is a regular Lonnie Chisenhall.

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ouchie, that one looked a little painful.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A Roger Dorn special.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that’s gonna leave a bruise

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

call for the squeeze Wedge!!!

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’ll take it

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know im violating off topic rule but….Sat night I saw the Dodgers/Dbacks game in person. i was sitting in the outfield. Manny threw me a warmup ball. My kid got a big kick out of it. Any ideas on how I could find a way to get Manny to sign the ball?

by RD74 on Sep 1, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Off-topic rule? That’s what game threads are all about. Anyway, you might be able to contact someone from the Dodgers PR department or something like that, not really sure.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking about that. I figured id get a form letter response telling me Mr. Ramirez is quite busy playing baseball, etc…

by RD74 on Sep 1, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you wait until early October, he might have some time to spare.

Andy Marte is free at last! Now, if only he could hit a breaking ball...

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 1, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ask him to not sign the ball?

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There really is no off-topic rule, unless the off-topic violates one of the ground rules.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have an off-topic rule? Who knew?

Andy Marte is free at last! Now, if only he could hit a breaking ball...

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 1, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Buy his grill and pick it up in person?

by emd2k3 on Sep 2, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 outs to go.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This is the most excited I have been for an Indians game in quite some time.

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How happy would I be if we contributed to keeping the Sox out of the playoffs? Very very happy.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention the whole 20 wins thing, of course :)

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

bring in Masa!

/sarc

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just think if Borowski were still around.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

playoff atmosphere in september. kind of. i’ll take it.

by xrickx on Sep 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

even though W/L records for pitchers don’t mean much at all, getting #20 pretty much assures Lee of the CY … unless the voters value saves more.

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It’s never easy…

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oh oh … Brandon Webb syndrome?

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

one down.

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

c’mon clifford. shut the door.

by xrickx on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who’s clifford? The big red dog?

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

clifton* thanks.

by xrickx on Sep 1, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

then light the fuse

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LGCL

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

also, let’s have Raffy Perez available for Thome…not Jensen Lewis.

by xrickx on Sep 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TWENTY

by Ryan on Sep 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

z

YEAH!

I crave the approval of others.

by fwembt on Sep 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And I got to hear Hawk Harrelson through the whoooooole thing!

by xrickx on Sep 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you need a drink if you havent already been imbibing.

by RD74 on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hearing him suffer through a Sox loss almost makes bearable listening to him gloat through a win

by xrickx on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

20-2. WOW!

by obobcatu on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

“we’re not worthy! we’re not worthy!”

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by bogey021 on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

20 game winner Cliff Lee. I just wanted to say that, it sounds so nice.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ERA 2.32

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man, remember earlier in the season when it was like 0.50? He’s really gone downhill since then.

Despite all of my best intentions, I have not, in fact, grown up to be a debaser.

by zempf on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember thinking if he can keep that ERA under 3.50 that’d be great …

by JP_Frost on Sep 1, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cliff Lee…still the best 5th starter ever

by APV on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

CLIFF LEE BITCHES

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow … just wow

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by bogey021 on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Heegz & Hammy said that the Tribe has the 2nd most 20-game winners in AL history, only two (now one) behind NYY.

Amazing, considering the (just-ended) 34-year drought.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

YES 20

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 1, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

dude that was an old school win. . . complete game shutout, five hitter

by Cap'n Snegiryov on Sep 1, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

G. Perry’s 20th win was ALSO a 5-hit shutout.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only 3 over the minimum, too. How many did CC face last night?

by Logodaedalus on Sep 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe his issued 3 free passes, so I think he faced 4 over the minimum, unless there were DPs.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

^ he issued

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fucking incredible. I am so amped. Imagine this type of performance during a penant race wowowow.

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Now I’m sad.

by bogey021 on Sep 1, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

don’t be. enjoy the moment and picture the next season or two, Indians in contention, Clifton Phifer Lee defying the odds and repeating this once in a lifetime season. so sweet

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

October 2,1908:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/10021908.shtml

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good fucking find

by ahowie on Sep 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This one made me smile

by Fios on Sep 1, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome to the club, Cliff.

by SuddenSam on Sep 1, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Congrats, Cliff Lee, for giving us a bright spot in 2008.

by DixonCayne on Sep 1, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Congrats, Clifton!

by JulioBernazard on Sep 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I spent the entire Spring waiting for the shoe to drop with Cliff. It wasn’t until late May when I realized that this was a sustaining thing he was doing. I feel dumb for doubting it for so long.

I made sure I watched every single pitch tonight. It’s amazing at how efficient Cliff is. Fastball, change and curve. That’s it. A simple deliverly and no time wasted in-between pitches. Even when he is done doing his work .. he is usually one of the first ones back into the dugout. No loafing .. just a hurried jog off the field. All told, just an amazing work of efficiency.

He fibbed in the post-game interview. This particular game meant a lot to him. That scream he let out after the game was over was unlike any reaction he has had all year. That was a huge burden to get off his shoulders (winning #20). I am just so happy he didn’t have to wait 2-3 starts to get it.

by Toxicadam on Sep 1, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There was one inning where he was already on the mound before TV got out of the bottom of the previous inning.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 2, 2008 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Got back from the game a little bit ago. Still buzzing all over.

I know this probably isn’t saying much, but that was the best game experience I’ve had this year, hands down. What a beautiful night and what a total thrill. The energy reminded me a lot of September 2007 down at the Jake. Good times.

2009 Season “greatly reduced expectations” check list:

~~1. Cliff Lee, 20 game winner.~~
2. Grady Sizemore, 40/40 club.
3. Cleveland Indians finish the year at .500 or greater.
4. Dealing a significant and/or killing blow to Chicago or Boston’s playoff hopes.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 1, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Should that read “2008 season”?

by JulioBernazard on Sep 2, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why, yes, yes it should. Damn it.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 2, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The game featured some interaction between Lee and Pierzynski, who exchanged words and stares beginning in the fourth inning and ending when the pitcher pointed to the White Sox dugout after the final out.

“His second at-bat, he slammed his bat down and stared me down,” Lee said. “I stared him down back. He was chirping at me from the dugout. Actually, I appreciate him doing that. It gave me a little extra energy.”

Pierzynski, naturally, had a different version.

“He yelled after the first out,” he said. “It was a 3-2 pitch and I popped up and slammed the bat down. It wasn’t meant anything toward him. It was just a popup.”

Told the White Sox players were standing on the railing staring at him after the game, Lee said, “I don’t care.”

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 1, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TAKE HIM DOWN, CLIFF!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 2, 2008 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man, I hate Pierzynski.

by bogey021 on Sep 2, 2008 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Holy crap. Pierzynski loses every argument by default due to bleached hair, let alone the fact that Cliff is now a minor deity.

by joeee on Sep 2, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me know when A.J. Pierzynski, 20 game winner becomes a part of the baseball lexicon.

by emd2k3 on Sep 2, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Minor? Dude’s moving up in the pantheon. I currently nominate Freyr, a Norse phallic fertility god:

In the Icelandic books the Poetic Edda and the Prose Edda, Freyr is presented as one of the Vanir, the son of the sea god Njörðr, brother of the goddess Freyja. The gods gave him Álfheimr, the realm of the Elves, as a teething present. He rides the shining dwarf-made boar Gullinbursti and possesses the ship Skíðblaðnir which always has a favorable breeze and can be folded together and carried in a pouch when it is not being used. He has the servants Skírnir, Byggvir and Beyla.
The most extensive surviving Freyr myth relates Freyr’s falling in love with the giantess Gerðr. Eventually, she becomes his wife but first Freyr has to give away his magic sword which fights on its own “if wise be he who wields it”. Although deprived of this weapon, Freyr defeats the giant Beli with an antler. However, lacking his sword, Freyr will be killed by the fire giant Surtr at Ragnarök, the end of the world.

by FredOx on Sep 2, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs