SBN gets a Cavs blog .... finally!
I figured Chris from Dawgs By Nature would have already posted this ..... but I did not see it yet.
Hopefully this will be the place the majority of the Cavs discussions we have had in the past will end up.
Am sure most non-Cavs fans could care less when chuck and others argued about LeBron, etc. Now we all have a new place to air our grievances.
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After my good friend Scott Raab wrote this I felt that anything I had to add would be superfluous.
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An important line from there: “was raised from the cradle to hate, by a father who hated them, too”. If the reason you hate the Yankees is because your father instilled it in you, I think you have to give Lebron a pass.
Wait – you think the Yankees have stopped being deserving of our hate?
Andy Marte is free at last! Now, if only he got to bat with men on base...
by woodsmeister on Sep 11, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all. But if the reason you hate the Yankees, and think being a frontrunner and rooting for the Yankees/Cowboys/Bulls growing up is pretty pathetic, is because your father taught you that way (the proper way for anyone from NE Ohio), realize that Lebron didn’t experience that environment.
You think he roots for the Bulls? I always figured he was a Lakers guy.
As a player, he may be an all-time great.
As a young man, he may be a very fine one.
Strictly as a sports fan, though, if that was all you knew about him, you would figure he was one of the biggest douchebags you’d ever met in your life.
He HAS to be a Bulls fan, it just fits the rest of the pattern.
Remember the timeframe that LeFrontrunner hitched his bandwagon to "his teams". LeBron was born in at the end of 1984 (who else just felt old there?) and examine the stretch of time when he was about 11 or 12 years old, when frontrunning kids realize that they SHOULD be interested in sports:
MLB Champs
1996 – NYY
1997 – FLA (ugh)
1998 – NYY
NFL Champs
1996 – Cowboys
1997 – Packers
1998 – Broncos
NBA Champs
1996 – Bulls
1997 – Bulls
1998 – Bulls
Throw in that LeBron probably followed basketball and football more than the others, since that’s what he was best at (the Bulls also won in 1991, 1992, and 1993 – the Cowboys also won in 1993 and 1994) and the Frontrunner Circle is complete.
To me, what LeBron is the worst form of crime in the sports world, that of being a frontrunner and has caused me to lose all respect for him in everything not related to him actually playing basketball. And even in that, I’m not that interested as my opinion is colored by the absurdity of his sports allegiances.
That, and because the NBA sucks.
by The DiaTriber on Sep 11, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If he were my age, he could root for USSR hockey.
by Jay on Sep 12, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought I read that he was a Duke guy…which I think came out when Coack K was named US Basketball coach.
Guess who won back-to-back when Bron-Bron was 7, then 8 years old?
by The DiaTriber on Sep 12, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just the opposite – he said he grew up hating Duke, which is totally inconsistent with the boys.bulls.yanks garbage.
Nope. Jordan was a Tarheel. That’s why he hated Duke.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 16, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
For me, there are two kinds of frontrunners, the kind that when picking their first favorite teams, they go with the winners, and stick by that initial pick. The other kind is the type that constantly switches allegiance to whoever the good team of the moment is.
In my experience, the first kind are usually people whose fathers aren’t sports fans or aren’t in the picture. For example, I have a couple of friends that are Buffalo Bills fans for no other reason than that they were really good when they first started watching football. I think picking your favorite team based on how good they are is a pretty silly decision, but then again, they were like 11 or 12 years old, and those things happen. Today, both of these kids are still Bills fans, even though they haven’t been relevant in a number of years. They have acquired what I think to be an important attribute in fan quality, and that is loyalty.
The other kind of frontrunner is the kind I reserve my true distatse for. We all know the kind, the people who were big Indians fans in the ’90s, who then suddenly remembered their new england roots and started rooting for the Red Sox.
I’m not sure which kind Lebron is, nor do I really care, but I think its an important distinction.
Agreed, very good point.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 12, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The most common and effective way for Clevelanders to learn to hate the Yankees is from their fathers, grandfathers, uncles, various and sundry family members. Mr. James did not have a father in his life, so we are expected to give him a pass on this subject?
A hatred of the Yankees can be picked up independently. An attentive boy can learn to hate the Yankees on his own, without benefit of family. Listen to an Indians game on the radio. Hang out at a baseball diamond. Walk down the damn street! In the dead of winter with ice blowing in your face.
Try living in Cleveland or Akron and not hating the Yankees. Every day you are reminded of why the Yankees suck, which is part of why poor downtrodden Clevelanders are genetically encoded to hate big-talking “successes.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he grow up in Akron?
If so, how did he become a Bulls/Yankees/Cowboys fan – it’s not like they have legions of fans in Akron. Cleveland, and especially Indians’ fans, are more prevalent in Akron than Yankees’ fans.
Plus, it’s not like the Indians weren’t successful in the mid-90s, which is why I find the idea that LeBron “grew up” a Yankees fan to be a bit suspect.
Personally, I think LeBron just likes the controversy, which is why he wore his Yankees’ caps to Jacobs Field; I think he just likes the media attention and fan backlash – why do you think he often appears on television, moreso than I can recall Jordan ever doing in his prime (excluding commercials – Jordan made a good number of those, but so does LeBron).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
i already feel like we own the place
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 10, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I think we’ve converted most users there.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2008 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps it will be better than every other crappy Cavs blog out there. Most of them are just the type of sites that folks around here hate — pretty much just rumor mills with a bunch adolescent know nothings swearing at each other and insulting the city of Cleveland — in their underwear, of course.
In their collective mom’s basements!
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the welcome! And yes, it will be better than the other Cavs blogs, with your support and involvement of course!!!
Go Cavs!!
Go Tribe!!
by John Bena (aka CavsBlogger) on Sep 11, 2008 7:41 AM EDT reply actions
I’m a fan of LeCavs.com. I’m going to hit both sites, and see whose work I like better.
by JulioBernazard on Sep 12, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I am currently hosting auditions for a new team. The Sonics moved out of Seattle and I refuse to support the OKC team. Can anyone answer why should I be a fan of two Cleveland teams?
Because that’s one more Cleveland team than LeBron?
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Sep 11, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re an Indians fan I don’t see how you can be a Cavs fan. Not as long as……..ah you know.
How about swearing off pro basketball all together? Maybe follow the college game instead. Or maybe take up hockey. It’s not the great sport it was back when Johnny Bower was minding the net for the Barons, but it’s still a lot more exciting than watching ten guys go through the motons until the fourth quarter rolls around.
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I’ve been a Cavs fan since I was a kid, same as the Indians, Browns, and Buckeyes. That’s not going to change just because of whatever kind of hat a player wears.
About pro basketball — that’s been the common perception for many years, that NBA players don’t play hard, they don’t play defense, they don’t care, etc. I just don’t buy it. I’m not nearly as big of a NBA fan as I am of NFL, MLB, or college football, but I still follow the Cavs and watch them when I can (and certainly in the playoffs). They are exciting to watch, especially with LeBron. My friend wasn’t much of a basketball fan at all until he moved to Strongsville, now he and his wife watch every Cavs game because LeBron is so fun to watch. If you watch the game closely, most players bust their butt on every play and their athleticism is phenomenal. To say that players don’t play defense is just not true — every coach demands it. On most possesions it is very diffcult to get off an uncontested shot. So to say that players are just going through the motions most of the time is completely unfair to them. I know is cool to say that the NBA sucks and the college game is better, but that’s just not true at all.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
— every coach demands it.
case closed. players always listen to coaches because they know the coaches have more power than them and can take away their money or bench them. could you imagine if a star player didn’t like a certain coach and used his star power to force the higher-ups to choose between him or the coach and they chose the player. players would run the show. it would ruin the game.
i would go over there, but quite frankly, i’m scared of the sword.
by Brick. on Sep 11, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That wasn’t my only comment.
You like to take short snippets from my posts and pick them apart, as if that was my only arguement in the post. I did mention other things, you know.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been a Cavs fan since I was a kid, same as the Indians, Browns, and Buckeyes. That’s not going to change just because of whatever kind of hat a player wears.
-Neat. I have liked cookies since I was a kid.
About pro basketball — that’s been the common perception for many years, that NBA players don’t play hard, they don’t play defense, they don’t care, etc.
-That’s the topic.
I just don’t buy it.
-How come, Brad?
I’m not nearly as big of a NBA fan as I am of NFL, MLB, or college football, but I still follow the Cavs and watch them when I can (and certainly in the playoffs).
-I like brownies more than cookies. So you don’t watch every play?
They are exciting to watch, especially with LeBron. My friend wasn’t much of a basketball fan at all until he moved to Strongsville, now he and his wife watch every Cavs game because LeBron is so fun to watch.
-I wonder if I moved to Strongsville if I would like cookies more than brownies.
If you watch the game closely, most players bust their butt on every play.
-Which you don’t do, right?
and their athleticism is phenomenal.
-Is athleticism a synonym for defense?
To say that players don’t play defense is just not true — every coach demands it.
-I don’t buy it.
On most possesions it is very diffcult to get off an uncontested shot.
-oh, I guess I didn’t know it was very difficult.
So to say that players are just going through the motions most of the time is completely unfair to them.
-It is a travesty. I agree.
I know is cool to say that the NBA sucks and the college game is better, but that’s just not true at all.
-Or, maybe people like the college game better. But, it probably is peer pressure.
by Brick. on Sep 12, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very cute. At least some of those comments discussed basketball. I’m glad to hear that you enjoy cookies.
I have no problem with people liking the college game better. People can enjoy whatever they want. I never said they couldn’t, or shouldn’t, enjoy college basketball better than NBA basketball. What I meant when I said the NBA was “better” was that the level of play in the NBA is better than the level of play in college. I don’t think anyone can argue with that fact.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 12, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Except that many people care more about “fun to watch” than “level of play.” Which game is better on that scale is an entirely subjective issue.
Steel Nick brings up a good point. http://www.fearthesword.com/ would be a great place for all this discussion. A fledgling site for a team many of us support—or have some level of interest in—could use the web traffic.
Yeah, but the discussion is already going on here. If you don’t care about the Cavs, don’t read this post.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 12, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s funny that at an Indians-centric site people make 75 comments on the Cavs— again —and when I bring it up I’m the one told not to read it if I have a problem. At the Indians site.
Digression is fine, and I actually don’t have a problem with it. The link was more of a jab. But don’t suggest I shouldn’t be here if I want to read about the Indians.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Sep 12, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m with Nick on this one — mostly.
Beyond a certain point, anti-Lebron talk does belong here rather than over there — eventually, it’s trolling on a Cavs site, because hating Lebron is really about being an Indians fan.
Aside from that, the Cavs talk and general basketball talk really can go over to the new site — where it belongs.
In addition, we generally don’t subscribe to the idea that “you don’t have to read it if you don’t like it.” First of all, it simply isn’t true, on a public forum. Second of all, nobody has the right to be irritating here without limit — and that has been and will be enforced.
Gavel?
Andrew has final say on what is and what isn’t gavel-worthy.
And Brad, if I sounded aggressive, it wasn’t intended.
Steel Nick
No problem, Nick.
My point was that it’s hard to change sites in the middle of a discussion. But I do hope that we get more Cavs discussion at the new blog.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m excited to see the reminder of this thread from this point on.
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 12, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well, if those deficentes over there can support LeBron rooting for the Yankees and Cowboys then I can support the OK City website. Ne c’est pas?
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Bien sur.
But have you any ties to that area? Any rationale of any kind? Or would it be the flavor of the moment?
Frankly, after the way the Browns moved out of Cleveland, I’m more than little surprised that any native Clevelander can support a carpetbagging franchise like the OK City SuperSonics.
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Sep 12, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Woody I just picked that one outta thin air. And you’re being too narrow. The Browns 1.0 leaving is actually the second time a Cleveland pro team left town. Don’t cha remember the traveling Rams?
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I wasn’t there for that one, but I do remember the ill-fated Cleveland Barons (NHL version) getting folded into the Minnesota North Stars.
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Sep 12, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, that’s perfectly fine if people would rather watch college basketball. I have nothing against college basketball and enjoy watching it myself. That is not what I’m arguing.
Considering that only the very best college players get the chance to play in the NBA, and only a few of those stay long and play regularly, I think it’s fairly obvious that the level of play in the NBA is better than college because they have the better players. That’s like saying if you take the very best doctors from all the hospitals in the country and put them in one hospital, that hospital is going to be better than all the other hospitals.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 12, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My final comment in this Mass Digression: you and I have different standards. I don’t dispute that the NBA has the best players, any more than I would try to claim that the SEC has better football players than the NFL, even if I would rather watch Georgia vs. Florida than most NFL games. If I took the six best rock musicians in the world and stuck them on the same stage, they’d win the talent contest. But if I only let them play Miley Cyrus songs and Broadway show tunes, I still wouldn’t want to listen to it.
Actually, the six best rock musicians in the world probably would make quite a show out of those songs.
Fountains of Wayne did a mean “Baby One More Time” a few years back.
Richard Thompson does an absolutely killer cover of “Oops, I Did It Again” on his “1,000 Years of Popular Song” CD.
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Sep 12, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Fred, I would rather watch most big-time college football games than random NFL games. I’ve been to many OSU games and a few Browns games, and the excitement and passion of the college game cannot be matched in the NFL (and the Browns have some of the best fans in the NFL). The best two sporting events that I have ever attended in person was OSU-MIchigan in 2002 and 2006. I"ve never been to a Browns-Steelers game, and I’m sure it would be fantastic, but I doubt the atmosphere could match an OSU-Michigan game.
My original point was just that I’m tired of hearing the “NBA sucks, players don’t care, are all spoiled, are all thugs, etc.” that I hear from many sports fans (most of whom probably never watch more than 5 minutes of an NBA game). That’s a poor generalization.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I was at that 2002 Michigan game. The one where OSU ended it with an interception, right? To get the right to play Miami? Great game. Did you rush the field?
Steel Nick
Hell yeah! Still have my piece of the turf (along with my piece of the turf from the ’06 game).
Our seats in ‘02 were at the very top row of the stadium at the closed end behind the goal posts. So we had to head down with a couple minutes left to get ready to rush the field. People were all over the place, waiting to rush the field, and I climbed a stairs to shout the plays down to my friends who couldn’t see anything. When Will Allen made that pick, we were gone!
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry but this is total BS. The OSU football “fan” is one of the most pompous ignorant “fans” on the planet. And this from an OSU alum. Most of them couldn’t tell you if a football is stuffed or inflated. They have little, if any respect for their opponents – other than the occasional ranked team like USC. And even then their expectations are rarely matched by the reality. Read the Dispatch
s Sport Section letters to the editor sometime. It makes the cleveland.com writers look like Ring Larder.
But I’ll give you this: Browns v2.0 are hardly paradigms of sports fandom either. But then again, who can blame them?
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That’s a terrible generalization. None of the Ohio State fans I know are like that. Yeah, there are some idiots who write to the Dispatch, but there are also plenty of idiot Indians fans who write on cleveland.com.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and a lot of them aren’t. On this site we can dismiss the idiots on cleveland.com as not representing all Indians fans, yet some people see the idiot OSU fans as representing all OSU fans. I don’t get that.
From my experiences, most sports fans I know are Indians/Browns/Cavs/Buckeyes fans, so they’re all the same to me. I don’t make the distinction between them. I realize some people here have different experiences, and that’s fine, but I would venture to say that most sports fans in NE Ohio root for all four teams (probably not all equally, of course). So I don’t agree with any generalizations as Buckeye fans different than Indians fans or Browns fans.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 14, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, I must be mistaken. For a moment I thought that LaTrielle Spreewell and Darius Miles were number among the defensive-minded, butt-busting NBA players. Clearly I’m mistaken. Because I’m sure that if they would have played in the NBA their coach would have demanded that they actually make an effort to play defense.
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So the NBA is the only sport where players party and break the law enough that they’re out of the league? The NBA’s image issue being worse than other sports is purely fabricated in people’s minds.
That’s impossible. An image is, by definition, what is in people’s minds. It is thus indisputable that the public thinks the NBA is populated by thugs. As for whether the NBA actually is populated by a bunch of bad seeds, there is a bit of a cultural/racial component to it, what with the hip hop and the tattoos. There is also a bit of reality to it – even if just as many baseball and football players get in trouble as basketball players, there are orders of magnitude fewer NBA players than there are MLB or NFL guys, so a materially higher percentage of NBA stars get into or cause trouble.
I’d like to see some evidence that a “materially higher” percentage of NBA stars get into or cause trouble.
I didn’t say that was actually true. I said that if the same number of players from each sport get into trouble each year, there’d be a higher percentage of players in trouble from the NBA. That’s just simple math, as during the season, there are 450 players on NBA rosters, 750 players on the MLB active roster (and 1,200 if you count the 40-man) and up to 1,952 NFL players (counting the practice squad and not counting the extra international player from NFL Europe carried by some teams).
If 25 guys got arrested from each sport each year, that would be 5.5% of NBA players, 3.3% of MLB players and 1.3% of NFL players. Because there is a shallower barrel of potential troublemakers, there can be a perspective that there are more of them, even if the actual total of bad apples is the same. If I gave you a paper bag of apples, a bucket of apples and a big-ass barrel of apples from three different orchards and there were 10 rotten ones in each container, you might reasonably conclude the orchard from which the bag was picked is rottener than the others.
OK, let’s play a game. You name all of the NHL players arrested for a serious offense and I’ll name all of the NBA players arrested on similar charges. Here I’ll give you your first shot. Mike Danton and Dany Heatley. Now here’s mine Greg “Cadillac” Anderson, Darrell Armstrong, Ron Artest, Kobe Bryant, Jason Caffey, Sam Cassell, Tony Dumas, Eddie Griffin. There and we haven’t even gotten to the Hs yet. If ya want more try this.
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There are 84 arrests on that NBA list. In 2006, there were 41 arrests involving NFL players (multiple arrests for Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson). What’s not clear is the time frame the NBA list covers. I can’t find a good list for MLB.
http://www.betvega.com/nfl-headlines/bet-on-nfl-arrests.html
Oddsmakers say the odds are that an NFL player is the next one arrested, with NBA players second, MLB third and NHL last. Given the racial composition of the sports (with baseball and hockey having lower percentages of African-Americans) and arrest statistics (African-Americans are more likely to get arrested as we know), this shouldn’t be surprising at all. We can argue all day about what this means — is it that there’s more crime in one sport or one group or are they more likely to get arrested (different issues, obviously). Sociologists and criminologists have been arguing about this for decades — I don’t think LGT will resolve it.
By the way, a warrant was issued for the arrest of Guy Lafleur back in January, I think for making false statements in court regarding his son’s misbehavior(s). No one’s immune. I still like the Canadiens of that era.
Oddsmakers set their lines on public perception, be it for games or exotics. It doesn’t mean (and I know you’re not implying this) that NFL players act more criminally (or hell, get caught more) than NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, PGA, PBA, WSOP players. Oddsmakers are setting odds that manage their risk and use public perception to attract the action.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
Right, pick a couple of the worst offenders. Baseball doesn’t have ANYONE who never runs out a grounder or who loafs in the outfield.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
most players bust their butt on every play
On most possesions it is very diffcult to get off an uncontested shot
i’m going to have to completely disagree with you on this one. Watch game #38 next year… slighltly before the halfway point but pretty far into the season. Watch the 2nd quarter. Tell me how many of the shots taken are contested with a defender busting his butt to stop the play.
From what I’ve seen, if it’s not on national television and not in the final quarter… it looks like a pickup game at the gym. Of course the playoffs are different. But when more than 50% of the conference makes the playoffs, some of those games on the schedule don’t get 100% effort. I’m not arguing that they should…. just arguing that they don’t.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
If I can jump in here and qualify my statement by saying I know relatively little about basketball, I just want to say something. Isn’t it kind of presumptuous to act like we know how hard guys in the NBA are playing defense? Boy, isn’t that kinda like watching a few at-bats from Andy Marte and declaring he sucked based off of your subjective judgement of those two at-bats? I think it really shows that we’re baseball fans first and foremost when we try to talk about other sports on this site. We make arguments that hardcore fans of these sports would find as appalling as we find Cleveland.com’s arguments about baseball.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you’re saying. I don’t want to, nor am I qualified, to get into the business of saying how good a certain hoops player is at his job. What I stated previously was brought to my attention who is a hardcore Cavs, and basketball, fan. He’s played the game and he currently coaches it. We’ll debate all things Indians/Browns, baseball and football, but when it comes to the Cavs and basketball, I usually defer to his opinion and then confirm it on my own account.
I think there’s a bit of a difference here with your Marte example. We can’t say he sucks from watching two at-bats, nor can we even make an opinion on his overall effort. But if over the course of a season, you see him fail to run out a few grounders, make other baserunning errors, forgetting the number of outs and making a costly decision because of that… i think it’s fair to form your opinion on his effort. Same way that from watching countless Cavs games (I’m talking mid-season games against the Hawks, Bobcats, etc., not games against the Celtics, Pistons, or any playoff series), I can form an opinion on the effort I see on the court. Mainly, I’m talking about pull-up jumpers early in the shot clock, disregard for the offensive play, or missing defensive assignments for whatever reason.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
Isn’t it kind of presumptuous to act like we know how hard guys in the NBA are playing defense?
Depends who you ask …
Also, who are we to say how hard they should be playing on every play. The season is 82 games long. That’s over twice as long as any college season, plus the games last 48 minutes. Why can’t they pace themselves?
The baseball season is 162 games long, and we don’t accept lack of effort as pacing yourself. These guys are in amazing condition, and don’t need to slack off in order to make it to their 3000th minute of basketball.
With that said, most NBA players work their butts off and try to play defense. I still like college better, but my opinion is colored by having attended the school with third-winningest college basketball program in history (and current champion).
I know you’re not seriously comparing the physical exertion of a baseball game to a basketball game.
Oh, hell no. I also wouldn’t compare the physical conditioning of Prince Fielder to anyone in the NBA, now that Barkley is retired. I just don’t think the length of the season is justification to take a siesta in the middle of the game, and the vast majority of NBA guys don’t.
I recommend becoming a fan of the University of Puget Sound. D3 basketball is the only kind worth watching.
"A good body with a dull brain is as cheap as life itself."
by Fiddlesticks on Sep 11, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As a graduate of Otterbein College (D3 Champions, 2002), I heartily second the recommendation for the entertainment value of D3 bbal. However, if you think the big men should be taller than 6’6", you might want to try a level where they are allowed to give scholarships.
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Sep 11, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
this is an interesting sociological example of tribal mindset and being wedded to your community
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 12, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
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