Game Thread: September 12, 2008
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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Kansas City Royals at Cleveland Indians, Sep 12, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
Kansas City at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)
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Lots of rain in the area, but it’s cleared off just in time.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shocker of the night: Carroll at third.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to ask if the phrase “Carroll at third” makes anyone else angry.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I hadn’t had 4 beers already I’d be seething.
by afh4 on Sep 12, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy was what, 2-2 with a walk last night? And they have two games tomorrow, which means Carroll will most likely play one of those at third.
by JesseAK on Sep 12, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s letting Marte avoid the side of the platoon he’s weaker on.
Except he went 2-2 against a righty last night. And got PH for against a lefty.
by afh4 on Sep 12, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
total f****ing crap.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 12, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wedge woke up this morning as asked himself—“self, how can I come up with the weakest line-up possible with this group of players, with the proper amount of grit of course.”—then threw these guys out there.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does the red-hot Asdrubal make even a little more sense than Carroll in this slot?
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on ride the train, the Choo Choo train…
by AD in LV on Sep 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeeeeeee
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
atleast Johnnny does not lead the league in RKIEGIDP. – Rally killing inning ending grounded into double plays (Derek Jeter)
by AD in LV on Sep 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, I like tuning in to a lead…. Choo homer (I’m too lazy to check Gameday)?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hammy jinxed it.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if victor was catching it’d be 3-1 them instead of 2-1 us.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen Victor make that play. Old Victor, at least.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not Yesterdayvictor ®
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who in the hell is this guy with the bat waggle?
by afh4 on Sep 12, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Aviles?
Mike Aviles does that bullshit with the bat?
by afh4 on Sep 12, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t run on Guttierrez. Ever.
Best defensive OF in the majors.
by afh4 on Sep 12, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHOPBLAST
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m a big fan of the daily Shoppach homer. He just HAS TO PLAY somewhere next season on this team.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
delayed reaction because laptop battery decided it had had enough
GUTZZZZZ
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This Kelly Shoppach business. It’s serious.
by afh4 on Sep 12, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there was a video on this fella on the mlb.com front page yesterday and i couldn’t bear to listen because
1) they were clueless
2) they couldn’t pronounce his name
3) they were fantasy idiots and all they cared about was their precious league types
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am here because Spore keeps locking up on me.
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Hammy just call KC a “non-franchise”?
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Lee get the nod for “Comeback Player of the year?”
by RD74 on Sep 12, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume so. Him and Jody Gerut in the NL.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore for AL MVP. What former Triber can win the NL MVP?
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRANDON PHILLIPS OR KEVIN KOUZMANOFF.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JASON BAY DID NOTHING WRONG
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In hindsight, he has gone to later innings. With his boomstick.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 12, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carroll is half-way to the natural cycle
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wants me a Choo-bagger right here
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHERE DID HTIS COME FROM.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
STUPID FAN FACT:
“it’s been since 1995 that the Indians have won 100 games in a season” (said in OMG ITS BEEN SO LONG tone)
ummm… that’s not a long time at all.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially since they’ve only done it twice, ever.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad kitty.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that Cliff could end the season with wins > first two digits of ERA
by cleveland teamer on Sep 12, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure now the Cy is Cliff’s. Halladay deserves a look, but has too many losses to get a fair shake. The only guy who can beat Cliff is Frankie Rodriguez with his flashy saves record, but relievers generally only get the Cy when there isn’t a dominant performance by a starter. The combination of the record and the Angels’ success could get a bandwagon started. I wouldn’t rule that out, but I think the trophy is going to the Dark Side.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How sweet is it that the Tribe will have back-to-back Cy winners?
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have Kip Wells pitch for all the other teams
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Underwood is trying to make something of the fact that Lee is lossless at night…. When you only have 2 losses, the chances are pretty high that some split will be lossless.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn a triple woulda been nice.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cliff going to go the distance? He’s at 75 pitches right now.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it okay to start getting excited about Astrubal?
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank god he fixed himself….he was one of the more exciting peices of the puzzle in ’07.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 12, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when the Royals had five hits and there were no outs in the 3rd? Well, now they have seven in the 8th, the HR and who cares what else, and the Kitten is Awake!
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shouldn’t this be Meloan time?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta let Lee finish the game, otherwise his ERA goes up.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s only had 84 pitches through 8.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 12, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s 4 unearned runs for Lee this season, which is amazing in itself.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s not meloan time. It’s time for Cliff to get the cg win.
(to help his cy young campaign and my fantasy team)
/drinks
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 12, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say it…Carroll is a really good utility player.
Fingers crossed, but breathing normally
by Chief WaDrew on Sep 12, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6 games now postponed.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s going to be rough weekend for outdoor baseball from Texas east.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pfft. Astro. Asdrub.
(sorry if that was intentional and I just smacked the joke in the face)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I ordered that at the Benihana’s once.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm — that is not how that was supposed to show up.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go ahead… take a couple minutes. we’ll stop the clock
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny: The only dude without a hit tonight. Make it happen Jhonny!
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Choo says I AM NOT IMPRESSED GRADY, I’m taking your spot on the ESPN top performers.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If there was a Scott Elarton Award for best fifth starter, Cliff would win it by biblical proportions.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone in Cleveland HEAR THAT? What is it????
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The firework sounds? If that’s what you mean I heard it too.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my roomies came in and said he saw them. They didn’t sound like fireworks to me, more like thunder. But not like thunder. I was starting to assume alien invasion.
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don’t know. Definitely weird though. Seeing how Lee is now 22-2, an Alien invasion would not surprise me too much.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The national innocence has been shattered. Again.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Andy is much like spoon in that way
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cliff comes out, it had better be Meloan, or I’m going to have to go down there
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should get into a game tomorrow, provided they play both games.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His HR totals are going to skyrocket. Both as a pitcher and as a hitter.
by Fundamentals on Sep 12, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona wuz robbed.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
faaaaack, c’mon cliff
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 12, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have the quick math to know whether Cliff will still lead the league in ERA if these two runs come in?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giving up 4 earned in a game for Cliff this year is like giving up 10 for a human
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure he’ll still be leading – Hallady was almost a half-run higher going into tonight.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting choice, Lewis. Wedge is thinking about the ERA, right?
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So who was better: 2008 Lee or 2007 Sabathia? I haven’t looked at the numbers recently and am posing the question before I go off to do so.
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not even close, is it? ’08 Lee by, well, not a mile, but…a portion of a kilometer?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee’s already passed Sabathia ‘07 in PRC, and he’ll have four starts (including tonight) to pad the lead.
by Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a tough one. CC was burned in a lot of starts last season due to a lack of run support and still ended up near 20 wins. Personally, I’d be happy with either season. It’s really a toss-up. Let the nerdy number crunchers determine who had a better year, but I would be indifferent to having ’07 CC or ’08 Cliff pitch a super important game.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t we have 07 CC pitch in a super important game?
::tears up::
by Toxicadam on Sep 12, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I would let him pitch in that game every single time.
by obobcatu on Sep 12, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was a fun game, which may well be the point, for all I know.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember thinking, after last year, how much it sucked for the people who bought Lee jerseys after 2005.
by Voltaire on Sep 12, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really limits the post-Tribe game options.
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m getting blacked out on LA-Col on mlb. In Arizona. What is this about?
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They seem to have a huge area…. I couldn’t watch any of the Padres series earlier this year either
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though…. I could watch both the Dodgers and Rockies serieses, actually so I don’t know
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Phoenix metro is part of one of those territories but Tucson isn’t, which could explain it
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any way you slice the pie, it sucks to pay for something and not be able to get it. And where are the condensed games? Huh?
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely. if a game is blacked out, I should be able to get it on actual TV
by Logodaedalus on Sep 12, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have tv out here. So when I watch a game on mlb I am not being taken away from anyone’s audience. Subscriptions and PPV are the most economically efficient forms of television. Ad-supported is extremely inefficient. (The Super Bowl generates a little over a dollar per household.) So converting the audience to a pay/sub audience should be a high priority.
Okay, you got me. I pay you 14.95 per month. I’m good for you. You should want more like me and less like the free riders watching on television. So don’t black me out, okay?
by SuddenSam on Sep 12, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure MLB would like to do it, but whoever has the local markets and the national contract—Fox?—no doubt howled when MLB said they would start selling in markets they had already sold rights to.
My beef is more: Where’s the Mac support? Where’s the 1.2 meg feeds? Last season was better, with condensed games to boot.
by odradek on Sep 12, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, absolutely. The whole blackout system is really irritating. I don’t have TV either, so when the Indians are on a national broadcast I either have to watch it after the fact or listen. But what’s especially unforgivable is when they black you out of a game that you have no alternative way of watching. That just don’t make sense, from anyone’s perspective.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have tickets for tomorrow’s makeup game. It would be a cruel irony for it to rain again. Not that I am overly excited to see Bullington pitch or a game that has no promos running.
by Toxicadam on Sep 12, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Andy Marte Bobblehead Day is October 2.
by odradek on Sep 12, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m drinking black and tan but everyone is gone. only 9 out
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 12, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dortmunder here. missed the game, but the thread doesn’t seem as enthusiastic as it should be for all the runs scored.
by bewwolv on Sep 12, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 12, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game last night. Lee wasn’t nearly as sharp as he has been and benefitted from several really good plays in the field — Asdrubal (twice), Carroll, Grady, and a nice throw by Gutierrez. A lot of hard-hit balls, including two by (ugh) Tony Pena. They were sitting on first pitch fastballs and hit many of them (at people); hence the low pitch count. Lee did a nice job of getting through and mixing in breaking pitches to survive, but he’s been much better. A tribute to him, really, that he got through 8 innings so well. I think Wedge was foolish to let him pitch the ninth — no point, really, and he clearly wasn’t on his best game. I guess the CG was important to someone, but a lot of people where I was sitting thought it was time to bring in someone else to finish up.
It was a really lively crowd, for a change; lots of kids and teenagers because of fireworks night. No cell phone people.
Choo looks great. Garko doesn’t.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Wedge was foolish to let him pitch the ninth
Maybe it’s becuz we got a doubleheader today and Wedge wanted to save his BP?
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
by mauichuck on Sep 13, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That may have been what he was thinking, but I think he just wanted Lee to get the CG, which is fair enough, but it was really a matter of time before some of the shots off Lee feel in. Either way, he’s got three or four additional guys out there (who he won’t use, ever, it appears, of course). He could have used someone he’s reluctant to use in a close game anyway (like Mastny or Meloan) to pitch an inning without depleting the pen.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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