Game Thread: September 13, 2008 (Game 1)
by Ryan on Sep 13, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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Kansas City Royals at Cleveland Indians, Sep 13, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
Kansas City at Cleveland, 1:05 PM (STO)
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I’ll be shocked if this one ain’t delayed.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m downtown right now, and it’s grey, but not raining much. I imagine they’ll try REALLY HARD to get at least one game completed. Lost of rain in the forecast for the next few days.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Caroll at 2nd, Cabrera at SS, Marte at 3B. Grady DH’ing. No Dellucci. Martinez catching.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if the game gets called Cliff will get to pitch against the Royals once more.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Sep 13, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1-0 Toronto on the Free Byrd.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazingly, the most runs he’s given up in a game wiht them is 4.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and no more than 2 in any inning.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t look good. At least last night’s game got in.
by Ryan on Sep 13, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God hates Eric Wedge’s lineup.
LeCavs!
If you were good enough, maybe we'd name it after you.
by Matt in LA on Sep 13, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Byrd – Not a Type-A Free Agent
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From indians.com:
Steady rain began falling in Cleveland early Friday morning, and multiple forecasts don’t have it coming to an end until Tuesday.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s get some activity going here. Shall we follow Freebyrd or the Rays game?
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about Notre Dame/scUM in an hour?
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Sep 13, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd’s final line: 5 IP, 5 ER, with a runner yet to be determined.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
runner out in a DP, so it’s an ERA of 9 for Byrd today.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it looks like Jason Bay is actually having a nice year.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“At this time of the year, you’re tired,” Meloan said. “Your body is tired and your arm is tired. When you take that much time off, your body shuts down. It feels almost like it’s the offseason.”
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have a heart-to-heart talk with Andy Marte about tempering his expectations.
And he should learn how to play dominoes.
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes. I did not realize Joe Inglett was batting leadoff.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rain delay decreasing the chances we end the day at .500. Well, that and Bullington.
Go Jays! Go Rays!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 13, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds they cancel the games? Can’t play a triple header, can we?
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inglett error allows Crisp to get on base.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The rain has lightened up significantly where I am. No idea if it’s supposed to last.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah, now we have Brian Tallet pitching. This game is awesome.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And he gives up a single to Alex Cora!!!
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then Sean Case lines out to John McDonald.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
strange as hell.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To bring up Jonathan Van Every! Who lines out to…Lyle Overbay. Darn, it’s over.
Still epic.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHIELDS! LONGORIA! BYRRRRD!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know anything about the game? The rain has now stopped where I am east of the Jake.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So … interesting blackout news.
MLB renegotiated the Saturday blackout rules with Fox — as of only about a month ago. The new rule is that any game that starts before 1:10 p.m. EST or after 7:00 p.m. EST is not blacked out — before, every game that started before 7:00 was blacked out. So the result is simply that we can now see 1:00 Saturday games.
Funny thing, though, is that although these games are showing up on mlb.tv, they’re still not on Extra Innings. Can anyone tell me if they’re on Directv?
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox about to lose, Jays go up another game over NY. Huzzah!
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone listening to the radio? The MLB Scoreboard is showing that the game is in warmup
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hegan is saying the field is soaked and in terrible shape but they’re gonna play anyway.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s raining again, but the game is about to start.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 13, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard about 1/2 an hour ago that they had seen the grounds crew on the field, but that I haven’t been listening since then.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re underway! First pitch has been thrown
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fausto delivers ball to start the game at 3.19pm.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 13, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The radar actually looks good despite a drizzle that should linger for the first part of this game.
They should be able to get in both games tonight.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 13, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
apparently i was only half-paying attention last night
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a slooow grounder. This could be interesting with the wet infield
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are gonna get the heck timemachined out of you today, I fear.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Butler is mediocre. I was watching him during last night’s game (seats on the 1B side). He’s really … er … big (at least 240) and he looks like he’s totally unathletic. Barely can bend over to reach low throws (and acts lazy too — several warm up tosses went under his glove).
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say he’s just plain bad, but he’s only 22, so he has time.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Familiarity breeds familiarity.” – Hegan, on how Lee was able to go 5-0 against the Royals
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time machine from your comment — about….6-7 seconds
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s not so bad. your comment about the grounder seemed about two minutes behind before.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
35-35 Doubles-Steals…..
(not time machined, just slow again - already saw the Carroll bunt)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
translation: The rain delay was worth it. Every last minute, every last drop.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marte can go 3/3 with 3 bunt singles. Then get pinch hit for with a man on 3rd, no outs in the 9th.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
woooooooo
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sowers v Bannister woulda been good if we were in 06 and they were in 07.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NICE
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like 6 pitch innings. When we’re pitching, that is. Obviously.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hope he doesn’t lose his control halfway through
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are three recorded instances of a tripleheader in Major League Baseball, indicating three games between the same two teams on the same day. These occurred between the Brooklyn Bridegrooms and Pittsburgh Innocents on September 1, 1890 (Brooklyn won all three); between the Baltimore Orioles and Louisville Colonels on September 7, 1896 (Baltimore won all three); and between the Pittsburgh Pirates and Cincinnati Reds on October 2, 1920 (Cincinnati won two of the three). Triple headers are now prohibited under the current collective bargaining agreement, except when the first game is the conclusion of a game suspended from a prior date. This would only happen in the extremely rare case of the only remaining dates between teams being doubleheaders and no single games are left for the suspended game to precede.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about Gutz makes my heart feel heavy. I had such high hopes.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marte, Cabrera, Sizemore due up for the third. Me likey.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well. We have baseball.
The ability to select home or away feeds on mlbtv is awesome.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My personal goal for Fausto: throw only six more pitches this inning.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe in Fausto. Is that wrong?
I’m ready for 2009.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just done watching him. I hold out no hope for his starts right now and won’t until I don’t have to watch him for 6 months.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I am more looking forward to Bullington tonight.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping this is related to the missed time from the injury and he will rebound after offseason conditioning, kind of like Lee
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his stuff is too good for him to remain this mediocre
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I more or less agree but I think this sort of analysis is more than a little lacking. I mean, we all laugh about Bonderman and Verlander but their stuff is probably on part with Fausto’s. And Fausto has control problems.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have way more faith in our coaching staff to sort out our pitchers than Detroit’s
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not like talented young pitchers who can’t get it together are exclusive to Cleveland and Detroit.
And I get it, Fausto’s 2007 is an incredible indicator. I’m just not too hyped about the guy I see right now.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me neither, just keeping up the blind faith
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butler leads the team in DPs, Manning says.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay for the tage, and now the Royals are pissed. Doesnt’ seem like they have any reason to argue, though.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d say Choo and Shoppach would be good choices for that award.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marte consistently looks like he’s going to dislocate his shoulder when he strikes out.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grady batting 1.000 in his last five at bats!!!
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How did Asdrubal get on?
TURN UP THE SIZEMORE
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there anyone else we’d want up to bat right now other than Choo?
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d say maybe Grady and Drubz but both are on base
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know which one’s Drennan and which one’s Tait but the one on the L looks like William Shatner.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s Tait. If you’re talking about the live shot.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you drinking, or is my brain just unable to make connections today?
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no connection. i’m having one right now
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 13, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, there are even fewer people at the park than I expected.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Astro playing SS today?
Good stuff, Fausto.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, we’ve got a pretty abnormal lineup overall.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno, I didn’t follow the game closely last night.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny played last night. Not especially well. He’ll play tonight, I would imagine.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else having trouble getting mlb.tv to work today?
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All fixed now. Different computer, hadn’t installed silverlight.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Silverlight was giving the trouble?
I don’t even know if I use silverlight. I downloaded it and it doesn’t look like WMP but it doesn’t have the silverlight “interface” that I had when it first came out.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the lack of Silverlight. Possibly Flash doesn’t work at all at this point?
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about you guys but I’m not serious about this Michael Aubrey thing.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for trading him.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was interesting (my first time seeing Parra)
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gave up 3 in the first, and looked worse than that.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then loaded the bases for Howard and gave up a 2-run single in the second
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and got yanked. stupid baserunning by philly giving him the only out of the nning.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
threw a bunch of wild pitches, then struck out hamels.
by RD74 on Sep 13, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no par tay
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the winner of the poll is…guess they’re not revealing it yet.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am no longer starting to think, but now regularly thinking, that Marte is no good.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is getting close to the final punctuation mark on Andy’s time in Cleveland.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammy saying Manny will get MVP consideration. No way.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’ll get votes. Top 10.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Sep 13, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 10 isn’t really ‘consideration’.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say it’s pretty much the definition of consideration.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Sep 13, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well shit.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 PA, 6 OB … 1.000
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like yesterday. Maybe he should play regularly!
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Royals. Will you ever stop being the Royals?
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
(All of his days are litte, btw — that guy is tiny)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They cut to commercial just as they were in the middle of checking with the 1st base umpire
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Underwood claimed the umps signaled they were upholding the call.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, on my feed it was “They’re checking with the first base umpire, and what does…. [CUT]”
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OKay. On STO they went back and showed Wedge aruing for about 20 seconds while the announcers chatted, then went to commercial.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone see the ball that Utley smashed off of his foot and very-semi-limped to first and the ump didn’t notice the grimacing running or the bounce the ball took.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phlladelphia is leading Milwaukee 5-0. Not good news, I think.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not overmuch — though I’m rooting for the Phils in the NL East, the PTBNL is the top priority
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was nice not losing for that 1/3 inning
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the memories…. Those were the days
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t want to keep it tied after the Tribe scores
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, we haven ’t turned a triple play for a while.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just one of the years for Teahen, who’s been one of the worst offensive regulras in the league, yet he’s done handled the Indians and Tigers like nothing this season.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“done handled”….that’s very Texas of me.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah, he really has fallen off the map this year. I didn’t realize that.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The 6th inning is a black hold for Carmona”
They always turn on the LHC during the 6th. I don’t know why
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
PARDPTAY
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drennan is on the left in that old 70s photo. They just showed it on a commercial with names.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now let’s get some more runs and a new pitcher who won’t squander the tie/lead
wait what am I thinking
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, will they replace Marte for defensive purposes in the next inning?
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The third baseman should not be able to catch your bunt on a sliding dive.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Royals make Greinke available this winter, I hope the Indians dabble. Dude’s 24 and about to enter a dominant stretch.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what are the chances of that? Seems to me he’s become a “core”, insofar as the Royals have one
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke is only under control for two more seasons. It’s hard to see he’s part of the “core,” strictly by a service time standpoint.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manning or Underwood saying the word in KC is they’re gonna shop him in the offseason, see of they can get a multii-prospect package back.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll deal Greinke, then sign veterans like Raul Ibanez and Randy Wolf.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I missed that. Innteresting…
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was really early on in the game, maybe first inning.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was really early on in the game, maybe first inning.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“And a frustrated Francisco fricasees some french fries”
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d suggest sitting him if it didn’t mean Dellucci would play instead.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just turned off by his consistent refusal to not swing at balls. He’s going to pull everything. Gutierrez doesn’t make contact as much as Francisco, but Gutierrez will at least use right field.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument there. Francisco’s charm is wearing off quickly.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to see a replay, but is it really a break if a smash-liner goes right at a guy, and then he screws up the throw?
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, he’ll sit for a week now.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
His OPS is now a hair over 800 for the last four weeks.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. And on that note, I’d like to point out that the equivalent of David Eckstein is rotating with Marte on an every-other-day basis. When you put it in that light, Carroll’s continued play at third base is just scary.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to keep in mind, though, Carroll is an above-average shortstop as a defender, and he’s probably giving us some serious plus defense over there.
I mean, it’s crazy, but it’s not TOTALLY crazy.
By the way, I was wrong, it’s actually 788, dating back four weeks from today.
.315 / .362 / .426
I mention this in part because I was mystified by Volt’s comment above, feeling more and more like Marte sucks. This is a strange time to be feeling that way, and if that’s your “gut feeling,” it’s mostly because you’re sick of looking at his poor season numbers. In part, it may be the sinking feeling that even if he proves he’s a major leaguer, he still might not be a good major leaguer.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I misread your comment about the .800 OPS and thought you were talking about Carroll, not Marte. It sure doesn’t seem like Marte is playing that well. But since he is, I retract my comment.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just scared to have good bench players, only because I don’t think Wedge uses them correctly. Using Shoppach as a personal catcher for one pitcher last year was a good start. Playing Carrol every other day at third base is not.
As for Marte, I’m at least comforted by the fact that “good” major league third baseman are few and far between. What Marte can do over a full season compared to what Beltre will do for $12M isn’t worth the price difference. And that doesn’t even consider controllable player years. Nor does it consider that Cleveland should be a pretty good hitting team even with a merely serviceable 3B.
He’ll probably get on base at a much lower clip, but I don’t think Marte would be that far off a Blake season.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton said Wedge “desperately” wants to have Carroll on the team in 2009. Says he knows how to play the game right. A utility player who can play every day. Also a clubhouse leader with Casey and C.C. gone.
by odradek on Sep 13, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Carrol because he’s more than a strict utility guy. He can hold his own for a few weeks (months?) if need be. He saved the Indians when Asdrubal needed to visit Buffalo.
I don’t mind him on the team. I just don’t think he’s a starting third baseman.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, check this out, xrickx … Carroll doesn’t have enough innings to “qualify” for a defensive title — if they existed — but in a limited sample, he looks stellar at both 2B and 3B
Here’s all 23 qualifying 3B … and Carroll is at .750 RZR, with 6 OOZ in 118 innings, so that’s about one per 20 innings. Those rates are about identical to Scott Rolen, who has made more outs per inning at 3B than anyone else this season. (Quick rule of thumb, each OOZ is worth 4-5 points of RZR, given most starters will end up with about 225 possible plays.)
Here’s all 17 qualifying 2B, and Carroll is at .829 RZR with 11 OOZ in 569 innings, about one per 52 innings. His RZR matches Chase Utley for 5th place, although his overall numbers are more comparable to Kelly Johnson, maybe the 8th best.
Keep in mind, Carroll is really a natural shortstop, we just haven’t used him there this season because of AbaCab. I think we all tend to forget that he really is here as a plus defender, maybe because he seems more solid than flashy. But, you know, a solid guy can make tons of outs in the field. The numbers above may just be a small sample size, or he may be a little more comfortable on the left side (SS and 3B) than on the right side (2B).
I’ll tell you what else, the guy has an OBP of .355. You know how many 2B-SS-3B in the AL have a higher OBP than that? Would you believe seven?
And let me stress, this is not an anomaly, this is what we knew about Carroll — plus defender, puts up quality at-bats so as not to make outs too prodigiously. He wouldn’t be anybody’s obvious pick as an everyday 3B, but honestly, I’ve seen crazier.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d vouch for his glove any day of the week. It’s just that he’s not going to be a backup shortstop on a team where Asdrubal is the second baseman. I know the Indians will choose wisely in keeping Carrol over Barfield next season—-to this decision I agree.
I’m just still not done ranting over the fact that in this lost season, when Choo and Francisco and Shoppach became bright spots in their own ways, Marte wasn’t even given the opportunity.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t catch the smash-liner. And Wedge didn’t pinch run for him yet.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen’s been pretty nifty over there, at least with the glove.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My feed is ahead of the actual game
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
space-time is bent due to that blackhole. makes some weird stuff happen
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call on that play (maybe Carmona should have broke for the bag). But Aubrey’s wandered a bit wide a few times.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team was pretty good until Fausto showed up.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blah
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 13, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fausto’s pitching a lot like a rookie pitcher just up from AAA ordinarily pitches.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not very scientific of me, but I just feel like he’s never gotten the feel of his pitches back since taking the time off, and I don’t really expect that he will this month. And I don’t really care, because I fully expect him to come back and dominate in 2009.
I mean, if he wasn’t “ruined” as of Sept 2006, he’s sure as hell not “ruined” now. I figure, anyway.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that’s what I figure too
in baseball, you don’t always have to be perfectly scientific :-)
(and this is coming from a scientist)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I think he needs to regroup and get a fresh start. He’s too talented to be this shaky.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice by rookie pitcher just up from AAA.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Followed by not nice. Kinda like Carmona.
by peter m on Sep 13, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royals have lucked into some seeing-eye GB today.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ouch
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm going to change the subject:
Anyone heard about any of the Fall League assigments? I am really interested in seeing who the Tribe sends to Hawaii…
by OscarDog on Sep 13, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that matters this fall is Adam Miller.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re available. You can search the archives of this site or google it. I don’t remember who’s going but it’s nobody very exciting. The usual suspects.
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like being behind by more runs than there are innings left
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the spread on the poll question favoring Shoppach by almost 2-1. I guess I figured he’d edge out Choo, mainly because of the longer time he’s sustained production, but I didn’t think it’d be by that much
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shoppach has had the more memorable individual games.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that’s true. That 5 XBH game alone probably goes a long way for a lot of people
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like being behind by more runs than there are innings outs left
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol at hammy picking on the Tigers.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MELOAN TIME
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see Meloan out there.
Watching Brendan Donnelly pour gas on the fire the other night, I found myself getting irked that we were seeing him at all. I mean, why are we putting this guy into games, or even paying him to be on our roster? We made him a way-too-nice deal to release him at the end of the year, despite his not being eligible for free agency. We might as well have hung on to Borowski if we’re pitching that guy. He’s not under contract next year, so DFA his ass.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay, After all Donnelly has done for this team, designating him for assignment, if you just look close enough, really wouldn’t be fair to Casey Blake. You’ll understand soon enough.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a scoreless inning, I immediately will anoint Meloan next year’s closer.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that he’s settled on a first name, I officially anoint him closer.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a scoreless inning in which he strikes out the side, I will immediately anoint Meloan the next closer to win Cy Young following K-Rod, while breaking K-Rod’s fresh saves record
by ahowie on Sep 13, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that’s Rusty Meloan, I want to see Strong Meloan.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strong Meloan retires 8 batters on 6 pitches
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of calling him Blind Meloan.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
without back-and-forth homers!
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UMPIRE LOSES TRACK OF OUTS IN THREE CONSECUTIVE INNINGS
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is on pace to have a 0.00 ERA for the rest of his career.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The best estimate of a population mean is a sample mean, right? :-)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, we don’t do real statistics here, man, we just do basic arithmetic. You start throwing around standard deviations, people get confused and frustrated.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sorry, letting my work blend with my baseball (I’m just now preparing a lecture on variability for a stats class)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s funny, that sort of thing generally won’t get you any cred on a baseball forum — not even on this one.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s surprising, because the theoretical statistics gets me laid constantly… I’m sure you can imagine.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he threw a few innings last season and gave up some runs? But you do appear correct that he’s almost guaranteed a scoreless career in an Indians’ uniform.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted to see Tony Sipp this month.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So apparently some ex-Indian was thrown out at every base in one game? Hammy’s talking about tomorrow’s Tribe Tales.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The great Richie Scheinblum. He had a reverse cycle: getting thrown out at first, second, third and home in the same game.
by odradek on Sep 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool for the Indians – they’ve offered to let everyone at the park stay for the next game.
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to give this pitcher an ERA of 135 from this point…… oh.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was fun. Bring on Bullington. Hide the women and children.
by xrickx on Sep 13, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Out for the 2nd game, Go Tribe
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 13, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So my roommate asked this and I don’t know the answer:
If there’s a rain-out for a sold-out game and then that game is rescheduled for a doubleheader, does that mean that after the first game of the doubleheader the stadium has to be cleared so that all of the previous ticketholders have seats?
Because normally with doubleheaders you can just sit there, right?
by afh4 on Sep 13, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A true doubleheader is a ticket to both games. I haven’t know the Indians to do that in years. Normally there’s a 1:05 game and they clear the stadium, then a 7:05 game (like today was supposed to be).
by Voltaire on Sep 13, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Toronto doubleheader earlier this year (of the 18 straight scoreless innings by starters fame) was that way, wasn’t it?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably why they schedule these day-night dealies, so there’s room in between. Fortunately today, with so few people in the stadium, they can let them stay
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also with the room in-between, you hope people get tired of sticking around and leave, right?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine they make them leave, with a 3 hour gap…
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine you could get around that if you tried hard enough.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine their vigilance in enforcement will be directly proportional to the difference between the sum of sold tickets for the two games and the stadium capacity
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the old days, yes.
Now, no.
There are extremely few single-admit double-headers anymore, anywhere in the majors, because they can make more money by clearing the stadium out first.
by Jay on Sep 13, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See yall in a couple hours…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 13, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are they pushing back the start time? Supposed to be, like, 45 minutes from now, isn’t it?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 13, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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